Re: [RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto

[Mike]

I rode to work on my LHT with the VP pedals yesterday and they were 
excellent. It was a cold rainy day and my feet felt firmly planted on the 
pedals with know worry about slippage as with the un-spiked Grip Kings. I 
got my first pair through Universal Cycles but will get my next pair 
through RBW. 

If you're contemplating these pedals I say go for it. I can't imagine not 
using them for longer rides. And yes, lower your saddle a smidge.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Nitto Back Rack 32R

[Rob H.]

ray

i have a large nitto back rack, wanna trade?

rob

On Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:12:38 AM UTC-8, tatayray wrote:
>
> Happy Holidays Everyone!
>
> I bought a new Nitto Back Rack--but I got the wrong size.  I got the 
> medium version--need a large.  Here's a pic from ecovelo:
>
>
> http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/12/04/stuff-we-like-rivendellnitto-big-back-rack/
>
> $155 if you're local in the East Bay.  I can ship for an extra $10
>
> thanks
> ray
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[William]

Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto Factory 
shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  

On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[Joe Bernard]

I just got a Nitto T-shirt. Very nice. The hat is a little too square/odd 
for my tastes, though.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:55:15 AM UTC-8, William wrote:

> Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto Factory 
> shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  
>
> On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>> I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.  
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I am in the very fortunate situation of anticipating the present
(adverbial) arrival of a 58X57 cm Ram, offered rather unexpectedly and
very graciously at poor-boy's terms by listmember Tim Whalen (thanks,
Tim). I have been offered, very graciously, discount and even free
parts by listmembers, but I'd like to see photos and build lists of
others' Rams.

I've followed the recent post on the Ram build of course but the OP's
ideas are rather different from mine.

I plan (at the moment; no one can hold me to resolution) to build mine
as a comfortable multispeed gofast to fill the now empty "derailleur
road" category, meaning drops, modest load carrying capacity, and
relatively uncomplicated gearing -- perhaps a 5 speed half step 46/42
(I have plenty of 14-28s) for me nice close gaps between 88" and 40"
with cruising gears in the second cog, and a 5 speed fw hub would not
have to be dished. (I may have a NNP 30 t Pro 5 Vis ring to trade for
a decent ditto 42, if anyone is interested.)

Or, a 46/30 with, say, a 14-15-16-18-18-19-21-23 cassette for a
slightly lower bottom end.

No rack, but a Carradice Junior; possibly a dyno hub in the future, dt
shifters (shit, sold the last pair of Retrofrictions earlier this
year), original issue Flite, older Keo Pluses, and, I hope, Maes
Parallels and Grand Bois Cerf blue or green. Don't need fenders here
in NM except a few weeks a year. I want to find old stock Dura Ace
brake levers -- may have a pair.

Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).

Here is what I have in my box right now, from memory:

Flite
Keos
Pro 5 Vis crankset, 170
44, 46 and 30 t rings
FWs
Campy Record hs

Need (with preferred specifics, understanding that I may not get them):

Stem (8 cm Pearl)
Bar (37 or 38 cm Grand Bois Maes Parallel copy)
Tape: Lizard Skins DSP
Levers (pre STI Dura Ace aero)
Calipers (nice, forged, silver, normal reach single pivots: RGC, 600,
S Pro/Cyclone)
BB (Phil 115)
Seat post (silver, lots of setback -- I like the old Dura Ace from 20 years ago)
Rims (particularly interested in advice for silver, lightish, 32 or 36
hole rims)
Hubs (Phil would be nice)
Skewers (allen bolts or skewers)
Tires (GB Cerf)
Chain
Shifters (Simplex; wish I hadn't sold)
Derailleurs (Dura Ace 7200, 7400; Superbe Pro)

This will be a longish term project, tho' I will start out with what I
can get and replace as I can afford.







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[RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Leslie]

Patrick,

The description on this photo has my original build list.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/

I've now swapped out my Tekros for almost the same but longer-reach caliper 
versions, swapped my stem from the DuraAce to a Nitto Tallux, switched from 
48 Noodles to 46 Sobas.  I've built a wheelset using the A23 650b rims, 
light Hetres, a 105 rear and a Shimano dynohub for the front, added a Marks 
rack to the front with an Acorn bag and a Edelux light... also stuck a 
Pixeo on the rear...   I need to take some new photos after I get it back 
out to ride now.



 




On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:34:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am in the very fortunate situation of anticipating the present 
> (adverbial) arrival of a 58X57 cm Ram, offered rather unexpectedly and 
> very graciously at poor-boy's terms by listmember Tim Whalen (thanks, 
> Tim). I have been offered, very graciously, discount and even free 
> parts by listmembers, but I'd like to see photos and build lists of 
> others' Rams. 
>
> I've followed the recent post on the Ram build of course but the OP's 
> ideas are rather different from mine. 
>
> I plan (at the moment; no one can hold me to resolution) to build mine 
> as a comfortable multispeed gofast to fill the now empty "derailleur 
> road" category, meaning drops, modest load carrying capacity, and 
> relatively uncomplicated gearing -- perhaps a 5 speed half step 46/42 
> (I have plenty of 14-28s) for me nice close gaps between 88" and 40" 
> with cruising gears in the second cog, and a 5 speed fw hub would not 
> have to be dished. (I may have a NNP 30 t Pro 5 Vis ring to trade for 
> a decent ditto 42, if anyone is interested.) 
>
> Or, a 46/30 with, say, a 14-15-16-18-18-19-21-23 cassette for a 
> slightly lower bottom end. 
>
> No rack, but a Carradice Junior; possibly a dyno hub in the future, dt 
> shifters (shit, sold the last pair of Retrofrictions earlier this 
> year), original issue Flite, older Keo Pluses, and, I hope, Maes 
> Parallels and Grand Bois Cerf blue or green. Don't need fenders here 
> in NM except a few weeks a year. I want to find old stock Dura Ace 
> brake levers -- may have a pair. 
>
> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans). 
>
> Here is what I have in my box right now, from memory: 
>
> Flite 
> Keos 
> Pro 5 Vis crankset, 170 
> 44, 46 and 30 t rings 
> FWs 
> Campy Record hs 
>
> Need (with preferred specifics, understanding that I may not get them): 
>
> Stem (8 cm Pearl) 
> Bar (37 or 38 cm Grand Bois Maes Parallel copy) 
> Tape: Lizard Skins DSP 
> Levers (pre STI Dura Ace aero) 
> Calipers (nice, forged, silver, normal reach single pivots: RGC, 600, 
> S Pro/Cyclone) 
> BB (Phil 115) 
> Seat post (silver, lots of setback -- I like the old Dura Ace from 20 
> years ago) 
> Rims (particularly interested in advice for silver, lightish, 32 or 36 
> hole rims) 
> Hubs (Phil would be nice) 
> Skewers (allen bolts or skewers) 
> Tires (GB Cerf) 
> Chain 
> Shifters (Simplex; wish I hadn't sold) 
> Derailleurs (Dura Ace 7200, 7400; Superbe Pro) 
>
> This will be a longish term project, tho' I will start out with what I 
> can get and replace as I can afford. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> - 
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> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hey Leslie,

I hope you love the 650b ride! I want to build up an A23 wheelset
too--maybe next year's long term project. Let me know how the light
Hetres work out--I'm curious to hear how easy they will be to mount on
the A23--whether you need tire levers or not.

Thanks,
Toshi


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Leslie  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> The description on this photo has my original build list.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/
>
> I've now swapped out my Tekros for almost the same but longer-reach caliper
> versions, swapped my stem from the DuraAce to a Nitto Tallux, switched from
> 48 Noodles to 46 Sobas.  I've built a wheelset using the A23 650b rims,
> light Hetres, a 105 rear and a Shimano dynohub for the front, added a Marks
> rack to the front with an Acorn bag and a Edelux light... also stuck a Pixeo
> on the rear...   I need to take some new photos after I get it back out to
> ride now.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Patrick,

As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
frustrating experiment.

I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
area.

- David G in SF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> 
>
> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
>
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:39:07 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I hope you love the 650b ride! I want to build up an A23 wheelset 
> too--maybe next year's long term project. Let me know how the light 
> Hetres work out--I'm curious to hear how easy they will be to mount on 
> the A23--whether you need tire levers or not. 
>


Toshi,

Haven't ridden yet, w/ this set and tires;  I'd pulled my Synergy/Conti 
combo over from the Bomba to check it all out before buying the bits and 
building up the wheelset.  I built the wheels this past weekend, then 
mounted the Hetres the other night.  Mounting NeoMotos on the Synergies was 
easy, mounting the Contis wasn't.   So, I was hopeful that the A23 and 
Hetres would be at least easier than the Conti/Synergy combo.

Hate to say, nope... it wasn't.   I managed it with only one lever, but, it 
took a good while and some wrangling.   Someone w/ more skill than me, 
maybe it wouldn't have been so hard/taken so long, but...  

However, end result:  I think the rims are nice, and I think I'll like the 
tires.   Will be trying it out soon. Will report back.

   



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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[Allan in Portland]

Hmmm, looks like my message was deleted?? Was that automatic or manual? 
Anyone get it in their inbox (reply to me only if you please)?
 
-Allan

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:55:15 AM UTC-8, William wrote:

> Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto Factory 
> shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  
>
> On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote: 
>>
>> I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.   
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[William]

I never saw it, and I don't get those every-message emails.  Were you 
pointing out what a huge dorkus I am for wanting a Nitto Factory shirt?

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:00:35 PM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> Hmmm, looks like my message was deleted?? Was that automatic or manual? 
> Anyone get it in their inbox (reply to me only if you please)?
>  
> -Allan
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:55:15 AM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
>> Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto 
>> Factory shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  
>>
>> On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote: 
>>>
>>> I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.   
>>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[Allan in Portland]

Trying to remember, I think I wrote...
 
Ha! When I saw the pictures that was my first thought too. If I get the 
hat, well, I'm going to need the jacket too. [<-- the last phrase included 
a link to a reference of the book "If you give a mouse a cookie." Perhaps 
the link caused the delete? Come on Messrs Don't be Evil, it was a link to 
wikipedia.]
 
Also, I loved the non-plussed look of the three models. Grant, taken Eben 
to school. [Eben as in Weiss, as in Bike Snob. Those who know, know.]
 
[But now the timing's off and all my yuk-yuk's are ruined. :-( ]
-Allan
 

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:15:04 PM UTC-8, William wrote:

> I never saw it, and I don't get those every-message emails.  Were you 
> pointing out what a huge dorkus I am for wanting a Nitto Factory shirt?
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:00:35 PM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote: 
>>
>> Hmmm, looks like my message was deleted?? Was that automatic or manual? 
>> Anyone get it in their inbox (reply to me only if you please)?
>>  
>> -Allan
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:55:15 AM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>>> Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto 
>>> Factory shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote: 

 I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.   

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm




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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I mounted Grand Bois Cypres on 700c A23 rims and it definitely
required a tire lever for me. The rim is tubeless ready and has a lip
inside and was told to use the Velocity veloplugs to avoid friction
with rim tape. The bead did pop out when inflated as it cleared the
lip. The rim seems pretty nice so far.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Nitto factory hat!! How cool is that?

[William]

I like it!

I was thinking they looked like a Devo album cover, like maybe New 
Traditionalists.  



On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:24:17 PM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> Trying to remember, I think I wrote...
>  
> Ha! When I saw the pictures that was my first thought too. If I get the 
> hat, well, I'm going to need the jacket too. [<-- the last phrase included 
> a link to a reference of the book "If you give a mouse a cookie." Perhaps 
> the link caused the delete? Come on Messrs Don't be Evil, it was a link to 
> wikipedia.]
>  
> Also, I loved the non-plussed look of the three models. Grant, taken Eben 
> to school. [Eben as in Weiss, as in Bike Snob. Those who know, know.]
>  
> [But now the timing's off and all my yuk-yuk's are ruined. :-( ]
> -Allan
>  
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:15:04 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
>> I never saw it, and I don't get those every-message emails.  Were you 
>> pointing out what a huge dorkus I am for wanting a Nitto Factory shirt?
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:00:35 PM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote: 
>>>
>>> Hmmm, looks like my message was deleted?? Was that automatic or manual? 
>>> Anyone get it in their inbox (reply to me only if you please)?
>>>  
>>> -Allan
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:55:15 AM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>>
 Now there are new photos of the Nitto Factory.  Now I need a Nitto 
 Factory shirt!  That would be dope (as the kids like to say).  

 On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:50:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote: 
>
> I think it's incredibly cool.  I gotta get one.   
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac8l.htm
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?

In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
scavenged or at least used wheelset.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
 wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
> know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
> frustrating experiment.
>
> I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
> area.
>
> - David G in SF
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: A unTypical Ride

[Frank]

Manny - best slick o' photos in the genre I've seen. I really enjoyed 
looking at the set and the nuance in each image. Thanks for taking them and 
posting.

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Jim Mather]

You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.

Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx

If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.

jim m
wc ca

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
> Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?
>
> In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
> scavenged or at least used wheelset.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
>  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
>> know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
>> frustrating experiment.
>>
>> I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
>> area.
>>
>> - David G in SF
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Leslie: very nice build. I think I have the same pump, at least, and I
do want your bag.

Hoozis this? 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/photostream/

Thatsa niceone too!

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks. But really, no terminological inexactitude at all; I've read
about using Stans (and other new-tech sealants) in Tubs (tubulars, sew
ups) with good results.

Also, I have no desire to run anything bigger than say 28 on this Ram,
at least according to my current programming. I've got Fat on the
Fargo.

There was a thread on the CR list recently about sub $50 tubs that
were (per the posters) decent. My idea is to find a CL or eB or swap
meet tub wheelset, spend $150 on 3 Thailand tubs and $10 on Stans, and
give it a whirl. Note that my 650CX23 Michelin Pro Races puncture no
more than my Kojaks, at least on the roads I generally ride them; no
more than 2-3 flats a week over the three bikes, which is not to bad
by my frames of reference.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
> You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
> Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.
>
> Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
> limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
> about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx
>
> If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
> have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
> great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
> less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
> run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
>> Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?
>>
>> In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
>> scavenged or at least used wheelset.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
>>  wrote:
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
>>> know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
>>> frustrating experiment.
>>>
>>> I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
>>> area.
>>>
>>> - David G in SF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

 


 Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).

 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Jim -- I guess that your implicit point remains (so all chime in):
that sealants in low pressure tires might work much better than same
sealants in HP tires. OTOH, the scuttlebutt/googlebutt I've read leads
me to think that these sealants might work well in HP tubs, too. I
solicit comments from tub riders.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Thanks. But really, no terminological inexactitude at all; I've read
> about using Stans (and other new-tech sealants) in Tubs (tubulars, sew
> ups) with good results.
>
> Also, I have no desire to run anything bigger than say 28 on this Ram,
> at least according to my current programming. I've got Fat on the
> Fargo.
>
> There was a thread on the CR list recently about sub $50 tubs that
> were (per the posters) decent. My idea is to find a CL or eB or swap
> meet tub wheelset, spend $150 on 3 Thailand tubs and $10 on Stans, and
> give it a whirl. Note that my 650CX23 Michelin Pro Races puncture no
> more than my Kojaks, at least on the roads I generally ride them; no
> more than 2-3 flats a week over the three bikes, which is not to bad
> by my frames of reference.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
>> You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
>> Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.
>>
>> Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
>> limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
>> about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx
>>
>> If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
>> have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
>> great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
>> less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
>> run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>> I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
>>> Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?
>>>
>>> In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
>>> scavenged or at least used wheelset.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
>>>  wrote:
 Patrick,

 As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
 know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
 frustrating experiment.

 I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
 area.

 - David G in SF


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>
> 
>
>
> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

*One* more remark here: someone -- Stans? Vittoria? -- actually makes
a "per dose" sealant for tubular (sewup) flats. Stop, add to flatted
tube thru removeable valve, pump, ride (so they claim).

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Jim -- I guess that your implicit point remains (so all chime in):
> that sealants in low pressure tires might work much better than same
> sealants in HP tires. OTOH, the scuttlebutt/googlebutt I've read leads
> me to think that these sealants might work well in HP tubs, too. I
> solicit comments from tub riders.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Thanks. But really, no terminological inexactitude at all; I've read
>> about using Stans (and other new-tech sealants) in Tubs (tubulars, sew
>> ups) with good results.
>>
>> Also, I have no desire to run anything bigger than say 28 on this Ram,
>> at least according to my current programming. I've got Fat on the
>> Fargo.
>>
>> There was a thread on the CR list recently about sub $50 tubs that
>> were (per the posters) decent. My idea is to find a CL or eB or swap
>> meet tub wheelset, spend $150 on 3 Thailand tubs and $10 on Stans, and
>> give it a whirl. Note that my 650CX23 Michelin Pro Races puncture no
>> more than my Kojaks, at least on the roads I generally ride them; no
>> more than 2-3 flats a week over the three bikes, which is not to bad
>> by my frames of reference.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
>>> You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
>>> Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.
>>>
>>> Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
>>> limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
>>> about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx
>>>
>>> If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
>>> have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
>>> great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
>>> less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
>>> run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
 I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
 Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?

 In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
 scavenged or at least used wheelset.

 On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which, as you
> know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive and
> frustrating experiment.
>
> I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in your
> area.
>
> - David G in SF
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE  
> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[David Yu Greenblatt]

I have used tubeless MTB and 650B tires with sealant, and tubular
cyclocross tires with sealant. My impression is that tubular cyclocross
tires with sealant are more resistant to pinprick-style punctures compared
to sealant-less tubulars, but are nowhere near as flatproof as true
tubeless tires. In my experience, once a cyclocross tubular has a
legitimate puncture (not some tiny leak), no amount of additional Stan's
sealant or Vittoria Pit Stop latex foam will revive it.

The key variable regarding sealant performance is tube vs. no tube, not
high vs. low pressure. Once a thin-walled inner tube suffers a significant
puncture or laceration, the sealant can't repair the defect. In contrast,
punctures in a relatively thick-walled tubeless tire can be plugged by the
latex particles in the sealant before a flat ensues. That is my theory,
anyway.

By all means, give it a try, but if you are currently getting 2-3 flats per
week on standard tubed clincher tires I would be surprised if you can go 2
weeks without a flat with tubulars plus sealant. And remember, while you
can repair a punctured clincher inner tube at the road side in a few
minutes, repairing a punctured tubular is a major ordeal.

- David G in SF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Jim -- I guess that your implicit point remains (so all chime in):
> that sealants in low pressure tires might work much better than same
> sealants in HP tires. OTOH, the scuttlebutt/googlebutt I've read leads
> me to think that these sealants might work well in HP tubs, too. I
> solicit comments from tub riders.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
> > Thanks. But really, no terminological inexactitude at all; I've read
> > about using Stans (and other new-tech sealants) in Tubs (tubulars, sew
> > ups) with good results.
> >
> > Also, I have no desire to run anything bigger than say 28 on this Ram,
> > at least according to my current programming. I've got Fat on the
> > Fargo.
> >
> > There was a thread on the CR list recently about sub $50 tubs that
> > were (per the posters) decent. My idea is to find a CL or eB or swap
> > meet tub wheelset, spend $150 on 3 Thailand tubs and $10 on Stans, and
> > give it a whirl. Note that my 650CX23 Michelin Pro Races puncture no
> > more than my Kojaks, at least on the roads I generally ride them; no
> > more than 2-3 flats a week over the three bikes, which is not to bad
> > by my frames of reference.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
> >> You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
> >> Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.
> >>
> >> Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
> >> limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
> >> about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx
> >>
> >> If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
> >> have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
> >> great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
> >> less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
> >> run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.
> >>
> >> jim m
> >> wc ca
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
> >>> I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
> >>> Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?
> >>>
> >>> In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
> >>> scavenged or at least used wheelset.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
> >>>  wrote:
>  Patrick,
> 
>  As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which,
> as you
>  know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive
> and
>  frustrating experiment.
> 
>  I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in
> your
>  area.
> 
>  - David G in SF
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
> >
> > 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet upcoming build

[Kelly]

Well I threw it together tonight with some used wheels, seat post and seat 
off the quickbeam and shifters off of the Holdsworth .. zip tied on some 
lights and off I go.. The first 15 miles as been great in the day light. 
 Shifting has been smooth .. downhills very fast and the steepest uphills 
have been as easy or as hard as I choose to make them.   I do spend most my 
time in the 38 in front.  Some tweaking to do and general cleanup .. 
wax etc.   but seems to be doing ok. 



On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:10:07 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>
> I know it is a weird gearing My thought process was .. 38 in front for 
> almost all my riding.   The 24 and 50 would be used equally little.  the 24 
> on steep steep steep stuff and when tired.. but only with the top 3 in the 
> back.   The 50 on flat fast rides behind tandems and in pace lines at 25 to 
> 30 mph and again on big down hills where I want to spin out tuck and head 
> to those 50 to 60 mph downhills.. here again very  little riding there.   
> Thus in my mind giving me a great all around middle and on flats and down 
> hills leave it in the 50. 
>
> On my homer with the 46/36/24 and like the bailout of the 24, thought the 
> middle 36 was just a hair to easy and end up in the 46 most the time with 
> the top end running out faster than I like.  I have an 11/25 on the rear.  
>
> Hopefully it doesn't act up much..   I also run friction most the time.   
> I hope I'm correct that I can change rings on this guy.  
>
> Note to that my  carbon bikes I was running a 53/39 and an 11/27 .. on 
> flats behind tandems  at 35 mph and on flat go fast week night rides I was 
> in the 53/11 often.  I'm also a lower cadence rider.. usually between 80 
> and 90.  
>
> My thinking may be all goofy... which wouldn't be the first time.
>
> :)
>
> On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:43:30 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Your gearing choices are quite unusual.  A crank with a difference of 26 
>> will require a very long cage derailler and is not only likely to make for 
>> very slow front shifts but also imprecise rear shifts.  Your big gear 50/11 
>> is 123 GIs, which is a category 1 sprinting gear.  If you feel you must 
>> have a 24/28 then perhaps you might re-evaluate the need for a 50/11.  I 
>> run my Ram  with a 44/30 and 11-28 which gives me all but one high gear 
>> equivalent of a standard racing triple but still allows me to use a tighter 
>> derailler, the new RD 6700 Ultegra.  Shifts great.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Monday, December 17, 2012 3:13:49 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a new frame arriving today, the build I'm thinking about is 
>>> below.  My questions / quest for others opinions would be this.  I'm 
>>> building this as a club ride bike and or even good weather event bike for 
>>> things like 3 State 3 Mountain Challenge.  
>>> I'm 6'5" and 225 to 235 pounds depending on time of year.
>>>
>>> I'm still debating between the SP and the SON28 in my mind for this and 
>>> to a point how much if any the dyno would hurt for fast club rides.   (note 
>>> that a part of this build is for aesthetics.   Thus the nice silver stuff 
>>> and classic look (hopefully)
>>>
>>> Still debating with myself about derailleurs -  XT or 105  Rear (or 
>>> other choice with better look)  Front is really up in the air but looks 
>>> like Shimano again 
>>>
>>> Looks like Shimano 9 Speed down tube or bar end.. depends on reach when 
>>> I get to building.. big frame long reach.. if looks only I'm leaning 
>>> towards down tube.
>>> If reach is to long for my comfort level, have you tried wrapping the 
>>> shift cables all the way to the stem?  Did the extra bends effect shifting 
>>> noticeably?   I think it would work and have a different look. 
>>>
>>>
>>>  Thinking of possible white shift and brake cables, with white bar tape. 
>>>
>>> Any experience with the Grand Cru Hubs?  Good or Bad 
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.. 
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> 68 Rambouillet - (Blue) Supposed to be here today
>>> Grand Cru Touring Hub, 130mm -- 11x28 Cassette - Haven't purchased yet
>>> VO RAID Rim, 700c - Purchased 36 spoke
>>> New SON28 - Haven't purchased yet.
>>> René Herse Triple Crank   
>>> 50-38-24 On the bench
>>> SKS Bottom Bracket - On Desk
>>> Grand Bois Cerf, Green Label 700C x 29 
>>> mm - 
>>> On the bench
>>> Nitto Lugged Quill 26.0 - On 
>>> the bench
>>> Nitto Noodle Handlebar - On 
>>> the bench
>>> TRP Tektro RRL Brake Levers - 
>>> on the bench, taken off wifes roadeo when she went back to sti's.
>>> Side Pull Brakes- on the bench
>>> Thin Gripster pedals - on the 
>>> bench
>>> Brooks ENGLAND leather Swift-  shipped
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380537396851?ssPageName=STRK:MEWN

[RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Michael Hechmer]

Perhaps I missed something.  You are not planning a 650 conversion so i'm 
not sure why all the input around that.  I run my Ram with open pro rims, 
which have been very good to me for many years.  I bought the Grand Bois 
Cerf Green  tires this year and they have been fabulous.  They fit nicely 
under my hammered honjo rims, and didn't flat once all summer, but ural VT 
may be more forgiving on rubber than NM.  Consider the White hubs.  They're 
 a hundred buck less than PW, lighter and plenty durable for the useage 
 you are writing about.  Some people accuse them of being noisy, but that 
is mostly an in-shop phenomenon.  Above 15 mph the wind in your ears 
creates more noise than coasting on the hub and, in any case it is a very 
smooth, consistent sound that is easy to adjust to when coasting at 10 mph.

I'm a big fan of the Conex 908 chain which gives great performance with 
friction 9 spd. Well worth the extra $10-15.

One of these days i'd love to bring my Ram to NM.  Good luck with the build.

Michael
Westford, VT

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:34:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am in the very fortunate situation of anticipating the present 
> (adverbial) arrival of a 58X57 cm Ram, offered rather unexpectedly and 
> very graciously at poor-boy's terms by listmember Tim Whalen (thanks, 
> Tim). I have been offered, very graciously, discount and even free 
> parts by listmembers, but I'd like to see photos and build lists of 
> others' Rams. 
>
> I've followed the recent post on the Ram build of course but the OP's 
> ideas are rather different from mine. 
>
> I plan (at the moment; no one can hold me to resolution) to build mine 
> as a comfortable multispeed gofast to fill the now empty "derailleur 
> road" category, meaning drops, modest load carrying capacity, and 
> relatively uncomplicated gearing -- perhaps a 5 speed half step 46/42 
> (I have plenty of 14-28s) for me nice close gaps between 88" and 40" 
> with cruising gears in the second cog, and a 5 speed fw hub would not 
> have to be dished. (I may have a NNP 30 t Pro 5 Vis ring to trade for 
> a decent ditto 42, if anyone is interested.) 
>
> Or, a 46/30 with, say, a 14-15-16-18-18-19-21-23 cassette for a 
> slightly lower bottom end. 
>
> No rack, but a Carradice Junior; possibly a dyno hub in the future, dt 
> shifters (shit, sold the last pair of Retrofrictions earlier this 
> year), original issue Flite, older Keo Pluses, and, I hope, Maes 
> Parallels and Grand Bois Cerf blue or green. Don't need fenders here 
> in NM except a few weeks a year. I want to find old stock Dura Ace 
> brake levers -- may have a pair. 
>
> Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans). 
>
> Here is what I have in my box right now, from memory: 
>
> Flite 
> Keos 
> Pro 5 Vis crankset, 170 
> 44, 46 and 30 t rings 
> FWs 
> Campy Record hs 
>
> Need (with preferred specifics, understanding that I may not get them): 
>
> Stem (8 cm Pearl) 
> Bar (37 or 38 cm Grand Bois Maes Parallel copy) 
> Tape: Lizard Skins DSP 
> Levers (pre STI Dura Ace aero) 
> Calipers (nice, forged, silver, normal reach single pivots: RGC, 600, 
> S Pro/Cyclone) 
> BB (Phil 115) 
> Seat post (silver, lots of setback -- I like the old Dura Ace from 20 
> years ago) 
> Rims (particularly interested in advice for silver, lightish, 32 or 36 
> hole rims) 
> Hubs (Phil would be nice) 
> Skewers (allen bolts or skewers) 
> Tires (GB Cerf) 
> Chain 
> Shifters (Simplex; wish I hadn't sold) 
> Derailleurs (Dura Ace 7200, 7400; Superbe Pro) 
>
> This will be a longish term project, tho' I will start out with what I 
> can get and replace as I can afford. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet upcoming build

[PATRICK MOORE]

Kelly: late to the table, but the SON should not make any material
difference in your paceline. I *think* I can tell the difference
between the Shimano DH D72 on the Fargo when it is "on" and when it is
"off", at least when I am grunting along on dirt with the very heavy
Big Apple wheelset and am feeling tired ('cause I didn't warm up
properly), but I suspect that this difference exists in my mind rather
than in my legs.

Compared to the DH D72 wheel, the SON 20 wheel (ie, with the earlier
Deluxe made for small wheels) spins even longer, even with (1)
small-radius, (2) very light rim+tire wheel compared to the 700CX60+
of the Fargo.

So, per me, the short answer is "no".

I fully admit that my purchase of the SON wheel (for '03 Curt) was a
vanity purchase, but I don't have regrets. Those hubs are jewelry. (If
you get a SON, you can't do otherwise than buy an expensive Edeluxe
lamp.)

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Kelly  wrote:

>
> I'm still debating between the SP and the SON28 in my mind for this and to a
> point how much if any the dyno would hurt for fast club rides.   (note that
> a part of this build is for aesthetics.   Thus the nice silver stuff and
> classic look (hopefully)
>

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[RBW] Re: A unTypical Ride

[Michael Hechmer]

I live in a town that's about 90% dirt roads.  It's been in the mid 
thirties and raining for a long time.  Not very inviting for riding no 
matter how wide the tires or how long the fenders.  These pictures make me 
whistful.

michael

On Monday, December 17, 2012 10:22:20 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Amit was/is in town. We went riding. Not really knowing where to go with 
> the overcasted  weather I figured Diablo can't disappoint for someone who 
> never rode to the top. So I called some Rivendell guys and soon it was on. 
> Plan was to meet at Rivendell after hours and ride to the top of Mt.Diablo. 
> Amit was on amtrak time constraint so the ride had to be short and sweet. 
> But like most trips at Rivendell things don't always go as planned. When we 
> were ready to go, I asked Grant if he wanted to join us. He told us, "Well 
> I'm have other things to do but I'm going to do a short ride that I always 
> do before or after work." Figured since Amit needed to catch his train 
> Grant's shorter ride seemed best. So a bunch of us tagged along with Grant 
> while he went on his "typical ride". The ride was shortish but the hills 
> were grunty. Through the twist and turns of the lovely homes of Walnut 
> Creek Grant takes us through a couple of sections of dirt. Reaching to the 
> very top of the ride we ended up kinda of stuck due to the trail being 
> closed. So without really making a big deal about it Grant just walks off 
> the trail down the hill. We follow suit and continue along our way. After a 
> couple of turns and descents we make it way back to towards Bart. Grant 
> tells us, "Well I'm going home now if you want to go to Bart just go that 
> way."  Joe, Jim and Sean decided to keep going while Amit, Will and I have 
> to cut the ride short and catch a train. 
> And usually this happens on rides that I do. Most of it is made up with no 
> destination. Usually we ride till we don't want to. We ride with the sense 
> of adventure, exploration and a little bit of recklessness. Thanks to Grant 
> for allowing us to tag along. Amit is here for a bit so expect so more 
> shots of him before the year is over. 
>
> Pictures proved that pizza is good biking fuel:
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDdQWmk
>
>
> -Manny "I guess we go with Grant" Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet upcoming build

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I ordered a B&M Luxos dyno light that should come before year end.
Unfortunately I snapped my IQ Cyo off the mount in a minor spill :(.
Well, the new light has a wider beam and more illumination, so I'm
very hopeful that it will do everything I want. It might not be as
good jewelry though :).

Toshi


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I fully admit that my purchase of the SON wheel (for '03 Curt) was a
> vanity purchase, but I don't have regrets. Those hubs are jewelry. (If
> you get a SON, you can't do otherwise than buy an expensive Edeluxe
> lamp.)
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Jim Mather]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
 wrote:
> The key variable regarding sealant performance is tube vs. no tube, not high
> vs. low pressure. Once a thin-walled inner tube suffers a significant
> puncture or laceration, the sealant can't repair the defect. In contrast,
> punctures in a relatively thick-walled tubeless tire can be plugged by the
> latex particles in the sealant before a flat ensues. That is my theory,
> anyway.
>

That coincides with my experience. Stan's sealant is pretty good at
stopping leaks in a thick rubber tire, but I haven't seen a sealant
that will stop a leak in a tube without needing to be re-inflated.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks, David. The punctures I have in mind are pinprick goathead
holes. I understand that bigger ones will entail the usual tubular
flat hassle.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:05 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
 wrote:
> I have used tubeless MTB and 650B tires with sealant, and tubular cyclocross
> tires with sealant. My impression is that tubular cyclocross tires with
> sealant are more resistant to pinprick-style punctures compared to
> sealant-less tubulars, but are nowhere near as flatproof as true tubeless
> tires. In my experience, once a cyclocross tubular has a legitimate puncture
> (not some tiny leak), no amount of additional Stan's sealant or Vittoria Pit
> Stop latex foam will revive it.
>
> The key variable regarding sealant performance is tube vs. no tube, not high
> vs. low pressure. Once a thin-walled inner tube suffers a significant
> puncture or laceration, the sealant can't repair the defect. In contrast,
> punctures in a relatively thick-walled tubeless tire can be plugged by the
> latex particles in the sealant before a flat ensues. That is my theory,
> anyway.
>
> By all means, give it a try, but if you are currently getting 2-3 flats per
> week on standard tubed clincher tires I would be surprised if you can go 2
> weeks without a flat with tubulars plus sealant. And remember, while you can
> repair a punctured clincher inner tube at the road side in a few minutes,
> repairing a punctured tubular is a major ordeal.
>
> - David G in SF
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>
>> Jim -- I guess that your implicit point remains (so all chime in):
>> that sealants in low pressure tires might work much better than same
>> sealants in HP tires. OTOH, the scuttlebutt/googlebutt I've read leads
>> me to think that these sealants might work well in HP tubs, too. I
>> solicit comments from tub riders.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks. But really, no terminological inexactitude at all; I've read
>> > about using Stans (and other new-tech sealants) in Tubs (tubulars, sew
>> > ups) with good results.
>> >
>> > Also, I have no desire to run anything bigger than say 28 on this Ram,
>> > at least according to my current programming. I've got Fat on the
>> > Fargo.
>> >
>> > There was a thread on the CR list recently about sub $50 tubs that
>> > were (per the posters) decent. My idea is to find a CL or eB or swap
>> > meet tub wheelset, spend $150 on 3 Thailand tubs and $10 on Stans, and
>> > give it a whirl. Note that my 650CX23 Michelin Pro Races puncture no
>> > more than my Kojaks, at least on the roads I generally ride them; no
>> > more than 2-3 flats a week over the three bikes, which is not to bad
>> > by my frames of reference.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
>> >> You are confusing the terminology: Stan's is tubeless, not tubular.
>> >> Tubular, aka sew-ups, are a tire sewn around a tube.
>> >>
>> >> Stan's has road tubular, but it's expensive and tire choice is
>> >> limited. It is intended for racers who will run high psi. You can read
>> >> about it here: http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx
>> >>
>> >> If you're setting up a fairly fat tire with with lower pressures, you
>> >> have more flexibility. For example, a Big Apple would probably make a
>> >> great tubeless set up, but a Ram won't fit that. Run a 40mm tire at
>> >> less than 60 psi, and it might work but I don't know for sure. But to
>> >> run a 40 on a Ram, I imagine you need to do the 650B conversion.
>> >>
>> >> jim m
>> >> wc ca
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I'm getting mixed signals on this -- partly scuttlebutt, partly via
>> >>> Google. If Stans can work off road, why not on road?
>> >>>
>> >>> In any event, if I do try tubs, it will be on the cheap with a
>> >>> scavenged or at least used wheelset.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
>> >>>  wrote:
>>  Patrick,
>> 
>>  As you live in goathead country trying to run tubular tires (which,
>>  as you
>>  know, have tubes) with or without Stan's sealant may be an expensive
>>  and
>>  frustrating experiment.
>> 
>>  I am curious about how tubeless Hetres (with Stan's) would perform in
>>  your
>>  area.
>> 
>>  - David G in SF
>> 
>> 
>>  On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, PATRICK MOORE 
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > Am still debating whether I want to try tubulars (with Stans).
>> >
>> > 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I see that we (y'all and I) have completely different universes as are
points of reference.

Here, flats are a way of life: a flat per ride, at least if it is a
slow leak due to a goathead, is acceptable to me (better that than
some of the "flat proof" alternatives I've ridden). Given that
tolerance, I expect to pump up tires many times in a week and,
especially, after a puncture. The question remaining is, what happens
after I pump? Does the tire re-inflate and stay hard, or does it
remain limp?

So: tubular tire, pinprick (goathead) puncture, the usual
stop-and-fix-and-inflate scenario.

Thanks.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
>  wrote:
>> The key variable regarding sealant performance is tube vs. no tube, not high
>> vs. low pressure. Once a thin-walled inner tube suffers a significant
>> puncture or laceration, the sealant can't repair the defect. In contrast,
>> punctures in a relatively thick-walled tubeless tire can be plugged by the
>> latex particles in the sealant before a flat ensues. That is my theory,
>> anyway.
>>
>
> That coincides with my experience. Stan's sealant is pretty good at
> stopping leaks in a thick rubber tire, but I haven't seen a sealant
> that will stop a leak in a tube without needing to be re-inflated.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[PATRICK MOORE]

"Our", not "are", of course. Sheesh!

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Re: [RBW] Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Jim Mather]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> The question remaining is, what happens
> after I pump? Does the tire re-inflate and stay hard, or does it
> remain limp?
>

I haven't used Stan's in a tube so I don't know what it does. I have
used Slime, and after you re-inflate (sometimes twice), it will stay
hard.

jim m

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet upcoming build

[Alex Moll]

Hi Toshi,

Does your Cyo still work? I want to try to put one inside an old French 
headlight housing, so if you just snapped off the mount, I'd be interested 
in buying it from you.

Cheers,
Alex

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:38:12 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I ordered a B&M Luxos dyno light that should come before year end. 
> Unfortunately I snapped my IQ Cyo off the mount in a minor spill :(. 
> Well, the new light has a wider beam and more illumination, so I'm 
> very hopeful that it will do everything I want. It might not be as 
> good jewelry though :). 
>
> Toshi 
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
> > 
> wrote: 
>
> > I fully admit that my purchase of the SON wheel (for '03 Curt) was a 
> > vanity purchase, but I don't have regrets. Those hubs are jewelry. (If 
> > you get a SON, you can't do otherwise than buy an expensive Edeluxe 
> > lamp.) 
> > 
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv-country visit

[Manuel Acosta]

Cool. This smells like a mix terrain ride toward diablo. I hear there's 
 Green Ranch somewhere beyond Diablo. 

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet upcoming build

[Kelly]

Patrick

I ended up,ordering a SON Delux.   Tonight I put the SP PV-8 on and did a quick 
mounting of the super nova version 2 with the brighter 3 led tail light.  I 
didn't feel any drag there either and at was after a ride on a Phil front 
before the switch.

The PV-8 has been a plesant surprise.The super nova is bright with a big 
beam, but my edelux in my opinion puts more light were I want it.   The tail 
light is bright but the twin line or brake plus are still my favorites.  So 
overall to me the supernova system is a disappointment.Looks good though, 
and I own it so I better get over the disappointment.

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:30:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Perhaps I missed something.  You are not planning a 650 conversion so i'm 
> not sure why all the input around that.



Didn't mean to start a tangent;  I was simply addressing my Ram's current 
build...   

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[RBW] WTB: SimpleOne/ QB wheelset

[Christopher Murray]

Howdy!

Looking for a wheelset for my new SimpleOne (actually a QuickOne- long story). 
Trying to get it together on a budget and was hoping to find some used wheels. 
Open to anything- new, used, trades, etc. 

Thanks! 
cm

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[RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I used sealant in a tube - Joe's, which is more available than Stan's
here for some reason.
No flats for many months, then a big surprise when I did flat.
The sealant glued the tube is to the tire - a year old 32 Supreme with
plenty of life left otherwise.
Not sure is that means the sealant did its job, or if I was just
sloppy with it. I found it pretty impossible to get it in the tube
neatly. Removable core presta.
I replaced the tire with a 35 Supreme and have prefilled Slime tubes
on order.
I have no tolerance for flats when I'm trying to get to work, or home.

Jay

On Dec 19, 3:45 am, Leslie  wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:30:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I missed something.  You are not planning a 650 conversion so i'm
> > not sure why all the input around that.
>
> Didn't mean to start a tangent;  I was simply addressing my Ram's current
> build...

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