Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm Quickbeam.

[Scott Henry]

No worries on sending out to all.
Personally when I see a for sale ad without a price I ignore it.  Its more
of a plea to run up offers and take the highest one.
If a price is listed I'll consider it too.

Scott



On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM, clyde canter  wrote:

> sorry that meant to go to the OP.
> I hate Gmail.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Steve Palincsar]

1" threadless WHAT is next to non-existent?  Stems?  Not only are custom stems 
available, you can also use a shim with 1 1/8" threadless, so stems are not a 
problem.  Headsets?  Chris King has them in several styles, and when I asked at 
their booth at NAHBS a couple of years ago about long-term availability, they 
said they would ALWAYS be available.  So you've got stems and the best 
threadless headsets around.  What more do you need?  Is there a critical spacer 
shortage I'm unaware of?

- Original Message -
From: "cyclotourist" 

Downsides are 1-1/8 threadless not really looking elegant with road tubing, and 
1" threadless is next to non-existent. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs by city

[Kelly]

In St Louis Mo. I've seen...

Riv Custom
71 cm AHH 
And a Ram 

I know there are others I just haven't seen.

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[jimD]

Charlie,
It has been a while since I've lived in Seattle and Portland but the rainy 
season here in the northern Calif. SF bay area reminds me of the rain in the 
Pacific Northwest. The rims on my riv are starting to 'erode'. I've come to 
appreciate Splats and fenders. In New Mexico other than the summer monsoons, 
those acoutrements would have seemed excessive.

-JimD
On Sep 9, 2012, at 9:28 PM, charlie wrote:

> Its been a while since I was forced to ride in the rain here in Washington 
> State but I know if I start commuting again I will be stuck in it eventually 
> and discs do work much better when it is raining hard like it does here. I 
> don't imagine CA has much rain other than a light sprinkle now and then. 
> Probably why adopting disc brakes are not a priority.
> 
> Some might ask well who in their right mind rides in a downpour anyway? My 
> answer would be someone in Oregon or Washington on their way home with 15 
> miles to go and nothing but fir trees to 'wait' underI really think 
> regional differences drive some of the decision making. Its why you don't see 
> many convertible automobiles in Washington and why homes in Arizona almost 
> always have air conditioning. For the rider who only rides for pleasure its 
> no big deal but more are using their bicycles to actually replace an 
> automobile. (off my soapbox now)
> 
> On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:51:08 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
> 
> I thought it would be relevant to post the following in relation to the 
> recent discussion of disc brakes.
> 
> I was just looking at the Riv site. I hadn't read the Hunqapillar description 
> for a while, and it has been updated, fairly recently I think. The following 
> is stated in the second paragraph of the Hunqapillar's current description:
> 
> "
> You won’t find a better touring bike. Some may have disc brakes or suspension 
> or other features of debatable worth, but the Hunqapillar, without them, is 
> our idea of perfect. 
> "
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> 
>> Removable faceplate and a 31.8 mm clamp option. I'm not terribly interested 
>> in the 31.8 mm diameter specifically, but there are some nice bars out there 
>> that are only available in that size. The 26.0 handlebar size seems to be 
>> going away, by and large.
>> 
>> On Friday, September 7, 2012 1:23:06 PM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:
>> I would LOVE if Riv could use their clout with Nitto to get them to make a 
>> removable faceplate quill stem. The bar (un)wrapping (and inevitable 
>> scratching) with quill stems is the one thing I dislike about them. I know 
>> there are or have been some versions of this out there, but none with Nitto 
>> quality as I recall.
>> 
>> -Pete in CT
>> 
>> On Friday, September 7, 2012 1:10:18 PM UTC-4, Dan wrote:
>> I am with Jim on the threadless headsets. I have two rivs that I love but if 
>> I could change one thing it would be to go threadless. It would offer a much 
>> wider variety of handlebar choices, I find it easier to adjust the headset, 
>> and it is stiffer, and more headsets are available, and I like being able to 
>> remove the bars without unwrapping the tape.
>> 
>> I am relatively new to disc brakes, but I like the mechanical bb7 brakes on 
>> my surly troll a lot especially now that I am finally figuring out how to 
>> adjust them.
>> 
>> Dan Abelson 
>> St Paul, MN
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Shocking Riv-ish developments at an LBS near me...

[Peter Pesce]

I was just thinking about a similar thing. I seriously doubt Trek keeps the 
lights on at Trek world HQ selling Madones. For all the angst over the 
race-centric bike industry I'd guess 99.9% of the 15.7 million bikes sold 
in the US in 2011 were comfort, hybrid or MTB. Heck, 4.7 million of those 
were in the "under 20" wheel" category, which I assume is mostly kids 
bikes, not Moultons!

Pete in CT

On Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Just this year, Surly removed any restrictions on steerer tube length from 
> their warranty language. The old warranty was invalidated, supposedly, if 
> the steerer protruded more than 100 mm (4") above the headtube/headset. We 
> at HC have been ignoring that for years, but this year Surly gave their 
> blessing to long steerer tubes with the phrase, IIRC, "go nuts". LHT 
> steerer length for 700C wheels is 320 mm (about 13") and for 26" wheels and 
> 56cm+ frames, it's 380 mm (just over 15"). For most people, the full-length 
> steerer is plenty to get the bars high enough. Even when we cut some off, I 
> always leave an extra 10-15 mm, just in case the rider wants to go a little 
> higher someday without a new up-angle stem. Anyway, this is a case where 
> the conventional wisdom about threadless steerers being universally too 
> short is wrong. Incidentally, I don't believe this is a case of "the 
> industry" seeing the light as much as a case of saving money by not 
> pre-cutting the steerers.
>
> It's really nothing new that bike shops are selling non-racer bikes. 
> Everyday Mongo and I fix up old bikes made in the past 1-50 years. Most are 
> hybrids or comfort bikes or mountain bikes or 1970s and 80s 10-speeds or 
> English 3-speeds and the like. The fraction of older racing-inspired bikes 
> that come through for service is tiny. I suspect this means that people 
> have mostly been buying non-racing bikes for the past 50 years. Of course, 
> the shops like to push the sexier stuff. When I worked at Freewheel, which 
> is a big Trek shop (and former BStone dealer) in Minneapolis, we had lots 
> of racy bikes on display to greet customers when they walked in, but I sold 
> probably 2-3 Trek 520 touring bikes for every racing-style bike, and 
> probably 20 $400 hybrids for every race bike. I don't recall selling even 
> one $5,000-10,000 Madone, even though we had them to sell.
>
> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>> It's nice to hear LBS folks saying that their sales are coming primarily 
>> from regular people. Kinda makes me wonder if more and more people are 
>> realizing the enjoyment that comes with cycling. Surlys are great bikes and 
>> it makes sense that they're increasing in popularity.
>>
>> I have a conjecture about the high steer tubes. I speculate that the 
>> bikes at your LBS are built up with uncut steer tubes so customers have the 
>> option of fine tuning their handlebar height. Perhaps potential buyers get 
>> the opportunity to mix and match washers to find the ideal height when 
>> going in for a fitting.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:10:22 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the typos. I wonder if quill stems will be coming back anytime 
 soon.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot as a mountain bike (with bullmooseys)??

[J. Burkhalter]

I say go for the Schwalbe Fatties!  I rode them on my Bleriot all last fall 
in Colorado and Utah on the recommendation of some folks on the list. 
 Cheap, tough, plump and cushy.  Great rough stuff 650b, IMO.  

http://flic.kr/p/aioka4
http://flic.kr/p/aiofdT
and a comparison to a 29er 2.3"  http://flic.kr/p/d9pTPG

-Jay B.  

On Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:08:36 PM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Sigh. It doesn't. As per: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com/msg05830.html
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>
> I'd love the mini moto. May just experiment with schwalbe fatties. 
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[RBW] Clever front-load setup

[PATRICK MOORE]

http://cyclescribe.blogspot.com/

Will probably only work on a small-front-wheel bicycle. OTOH, you can just
use a Wald Newsboy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Michael_S]

I doubt the price would go that low David, maybe $1000 like the original 
Hillbornes. I would buy one at that price that fits fat tires with a single 
top tube and lugs, no discs please.
On the stem issue, to me it's tough to build a production bike and get 
everything to line up for everybody type. So those with longer legs and 
shorter torso's end up with taller stems. For me most of the Riv's fit 
pretty well with just the right amount of stem, so I prefer quills.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


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[RBW] Re: Bleriot as a mountain bike (with bullmooseys)??

[Michael_S]

that Bleriot with the Schwalbe fatties just looks right to me. Fat tired 
lugged bikes are the cat's meow.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:22:34 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Since getting my Saluki that fits me like a glove and is far sprightlier, 
> my Bleriot has been sitting downstairs in the basement. I've gone through a 
> couple scenarios, one being an around town singlespeed/fixed (ENO) cruiser. 
> Another is as a lightweight (no downhill, mostly climbing and light trails) 
> mountain bike. Some bullmooseys, Paul Racers and a Ritchey triple make this 
> super appealing. Anyone have an opinion?
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Matthew J]

> Is there a critical spacer shortage I'm unaware of? 

My problem with spacers is there are too darn many of them.  IMO opinion, 
spacers are kind of ugly.
 
A custom 1" threadless stem that does not spacers is almost as good as a 
quill, so long as my desired bar height does not change.   I say almost 
because aesthetically, I think the thinner quill stem emerging from the 
headset provides a more visually clean transition to the handlebars.  
 
Jim Thill is probably on to something when he says part of this owes 
something to what I grew up with.  On the other hand, Fixie Hipsters, whose 
primary bike objective is aesthetics put a premium on old quill stem 
bikes.  The quill may not be the only factor but given it is what the rider 
sees most while riding, it must have an attraction for them. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs by city

[SteveD]

Add my Atlantis to Seattle, in the Bryant neighborhood near Counterbalance 
Bikes on the BGT. I've seen two or three other Atlantii in the neighborhood 
over the past two or three years as well as a couple customs, a Saluki, a 
couple of Bleriots and Rams, and an AHH. 

Steve DeMont
Seattle

On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:56:30 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I see various threads on here about Rivendell's representation in various 
> parts of the country. We seem to have a better than average showing of Riv 
> here in the Twin Cities.
>
> Back in late 2004 or early 2005 when I bought my first Riv, an Atlantis, I 
> thought it was pretty unique. Soon after I started riding it, though, I met 
> lots of Riv riders by pure happenstance. First was a guy who called himself 
> "Single Speed Steve" on a Quickbeam - we flagged each other down on West 
> River Road. Some short time later on the light-rail, I saw a guy with a 
> really beat up Atlantis that had been, apparently, repaired (by Curt 
> Goodrich I later learned) at least once, which was obvious with the 
> rattlecanned repair areas. I freaked the guy out, I think, when I started 
> talking to him about his bike. We later became friends, but I don't think 
> he has the Atlantis anymore. After awhile, seeing different Rivs in the 
> wild lost its novelty, because it became at least a weekly occurrence. Now 
> I walk to a nearby food co-op, and frequently see a green 2TT Hillborne and 
> a QB parked there at the same time, in addition to some other bikes that 
> clearly have Riv-inspired style. A coffee shop I ride past daily has an 
> orange Sam parked outside (I know the bike personally, and it's original 
> owner sometimes appears on this list). Of course, in my day job, I 
> encounter lots of Rivendells. The Twin Cities, despite having snow and ice 
> on the ground 11.5 months/year, is quite a bicycle haven, and for whatever 
> reason, Riv has a strong showing among the more common bicycle brands.
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[RBW] Re: Clever front-load setup

[Stephen S]

More direct link for any future viewing of this blog once this post is off 
of the main page.

http://cyclescribe.blogspot.com/2012/09/behold-dork-aleur.html



On Monday, September 10, 2012 8:50:47 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> http://cyclescribe.blogspot.com/
>
> Will probably only work on a small-front-wheel bicycle. OTOH, you can just 
> use a Wald Newsboy.
>
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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[ERIC NORRIS]

I prefer the look of a quill stem for most bikes, but I will admit that a 
threadless stem will never get rusted/corroded into a steerer tube. I've had 
this problem on several bikes in recent years--one is still stuck--despite the 
liberal use of grease to try to keep sweat and water out.

--Eric N
www.campyonly.com


On Sep 9, 2012, at 10:28 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Jim, a very thoughtful posting! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
> 
> I grew up w/ quill stems, but prefer threadless. I have found installation is 
> incredibly easy. I've never enjoyed tightening threaded headsets, so 
> threadless have been a pleasure to work with. Also I don't really care for 
> the tall backwards "7" look of quill stems at saddle height. They look 
> ungainly to me. It's also a big chunk of angled metal pointing at my crotch 
> which I don't appreciate for unintended dismounts. 
> 
> Downsides are 1-1/8 threadless not really looking elegant with road tubing, 
> and 1" threadless is next to non-existent. Threadless also looks kinda' silly 
> with 50mm+ of spacers on a poorly designed bike. The strength/lack of flex 
> isn't really a bonus as I've never noticed a quill stem flexing on me.
> 
> So yeah, long/short: I'd like a Taiwanese built budget Riv country bike 
> (think AHH) w/ threadless and a single top tube for $750 or whatever the San 
> Marcos goes for. I don't know if there are enough people in that niche to 
> build one though, or if GP would even want to go after them.
> 
> Would be a cool bike though!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
>  wrote:
> I agree that quill stems are a niche that Riv fills, more or less 
> exclusively, which is no small thing. Obviously, the quill stem has a 
> modest-sized but loyal following, and Grant would be smart to keep filling 
> this niche, as long as it exists, all by himself.
> 
> On the other hand, think about demographics. I'm 35 - most cyclists my age or 
> younger have little or no nostalgia for quill stems and threaded steerers, 
> and, in fact, may think a quill looks funny or archaic compared to more 
> familiar threadless systems. If you're over 50, then you probably came of age 
> as a cyclist in the quill stem era, and are not planning to change. But if 
> you're over 50, your bike purchases are likely to slow down in the next 10-20 
> years, if they haven't already, while people my age and younger are just 
> ramping up the new bike spending. Obviously, this is loose speculation, and 
> individual situations vary. But I think it's safe to say that the number of 
> people who prefer quill stems, and are willing to pay extra to get a frame 
> that takes a quill stem, is shrinking, not growing/stabilizing. I have no 
> stats to back this up, just a limited view from my own knothole. 
> 
> Of course, Riv already makes a bunch of frame models that take a quill stem. 
> If one frame model out of eight stepped outside the lines a bit, in the 
> interest of cutting costs, making the frame sturdier without a double top 
> tube, and being more accommodating to a much wider variety of contemporary 
> stems, bars, and headsets (more versatility!), I imagine that the result 
> would be broader appeal and new customers. That particular model with the 
> (for example) disc tabs and 1-1/8" threadless steerer might not be the 
> "retro-grouch"  ideal of many on this discussion board, but there are lots of 
> other options for the purists. And there's no reason whatsoever that such a 
> frame couldn't adhere to underlying principles, like good tire/fender 
> clearance, higher handlebars (it can be done with good design in a non-ugly 
> way), and, of course, lovely lugged steel with a cool paintjob.
> 
> I started following Riv when there were basically two models: the heavy duty 
> Atlantis, and the lightweight Rambouillet/Romulus/Redwood. It seemed easy to 
> distinguish the two, and I had one of each for awhile. I have enjoyed seeing 
> the proliferation of new models, but frankly, it starts to get a little 
> bewildering to me - imagine how the casual observer must feel when trying to 
> make sense of it! The Hillborne was supposed to be a halfway compromise of 
> the Atlantis and the Hilsen, I think, but those two models weren't altogether 
> dissimilar in terms of tire clearance and general capabilities (the Hilsen 
> moniker replaced the Saluki which was billed as partway between Atlantis and 
> Rambouillet). The Bombadil is the new heavy-duty workhorse offroader (which 
> was the Atlantis role, previously), but the Hunqapillar splits the difference 
> between that and the Atlantis. Do I have that right? How much difference is 
> there to split? There have been discussions of what sets the Roadeo apart 
> from the Hilsen, but it seems the differences are minor. It gets hard to see 
> where one model stops and the next begins. Now to add yet another heavy-duty 
> touring bike to the mix? Is there really a hungry market for a sl

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs by city

[PATRICK MOORE]

I forgot that there is, or was, a local ER physician who at one point had a
stable of Riv models including a wonderful Legolas. So, if he's still
around, there must be half a dozen Rivs in ABQ.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:22 AM, SteveD  wrote:

> Add my Atlantis to Seattle, in the Bryant neighborhood near Counterbalance
> Bikes on the BGT. I've seen two or three other Atlantii in the neighborhood
> over the past two or three years as well as a couple customs, a Saluki, a
> couple of Bleriots and Rams, and an AHH.
>
> Steve DeMont
> Seattle
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:56:30 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> I see various threads on here about Rivendell's representation in various
>> parts of the country. We seem to have a better than average showing of Riv
>> here in the Twin Cities.
>>
>> Back in late 2004 or early 2005 when I bought my first Riv, an Atlantis,
>> I thought it was pretty unique. Soon after I started riding it, though, I
>> met lots of Riv riders by pure happenstance. First was a guy who called
>> himself "Single Speed Steve" on a Quickbeam - we flagged each other down on
>> West River Road. Some short time later on the light-rail, I saw a guy with
>> a really beat up Atlantis that had been, apparently, repaired (by Curt
>> Goodrich I later learned) at least once, which was obvious with the
>> rattlecanned repair areas. I freaked the guy out, I think, when I started
>> talking to him about his bike. We later became friends, but I don't think
>> he has the Atlantis anymore. After awhile, seeing different Rivs in the
>> wild lost its novelty, because it became at least a weekly occurrence. Now
>> I walk to a nearby food co-op, and frequently see a green 2TT Hillborne and
>> a QB parked there at the same time, in addition to some other bikes that
>> clearly have Riv-inspired style. A coffee shop I ride past daily has an
>> orange Sam parked outside (I know the bike personally, and it's original
>> owner sometimes appears on this list). Of course, in my day job, I
>> encounter lots of Rivendells. The Twin Cities, despite having snow and ice
>> on the ground 11.5 months/year, is quite a bicycle haven, and for whatever
>> reason, Riv has a strong showing among the more common bicycle brands.
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Chris King?


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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

You could mix and match these: not the Riv aesthetic, but still, nice.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Matthew J 
mailto:matthewj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Is there a critical spacer shortage I'm unaware of?

My problem with spacers is there are too darn many of them.  IMO opinion, 
spacers are kind of ugly.

A custom 1" threadless stem that does not spacers is almost as good as a quill, 
so long as my desired bar height does not change.   I say almost because 
aesthetically, I think the thinner quill stem emerging from the headset 
provides a more visually clean transition to the handlebars.

Jim Thill is probably on to something when he says part of this owes something 
to what I grew up with.  On the other hand, Fixie Hipsters, whose primary bike 
objective is aesthetics put a premium on old quill stem bikes.  The quill may 
not be the only factor but given it is what the rider sees most while riding, 
it must have an attraction for them.

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[RBW] A little OT: Swift Industries interview

[Scot Brooks]

I got to interview Martina from Swift this weekend. They make super nice bags 
for bicycles, and the waxed canvas option is excellent and quite Riv-ish. Check 
it out if you like. 
http://cyclingillustrated.com/local-maker-interview-vol-1-swift-industries-by-scot-hinckley/

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Re: [RBW] A little OT: Swift Industries interview

[Ray Shine]

Nice interview. I have been using the Swift waxed cotton bags almost 
exclusively 
for the past several years. Exceptionally well designed and made. I highly 
recommend their products. I chose those bags over Riv's because I wanted single 
bags, not attached bags. In commute mode, I rarely use two bags. So, I have one 
bag on my daily commuter, and one on the back-up (meaning with fenders) 
commuter.





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Subject: [RBW] A little OT: Swift Industries interview

I got to interview Martina from Swift this weekend. They make super nice bags 
for bicycles, and the waxed canvas option is excellent and quite Riv-ish. Check 
it out if you like. 
http://cyclingillustrated.com/local-maker-interview-vol-1-swift-industries-by-scot-hinckley/


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[RBW] Grant at College Park Bikes - SEPT 27

[Joan Oppel]

 See the new Blug - ride at 5, talk at 7.  I'll be there with the Bleriot. 



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[RBW] Re: A little OT: Swift Industries interview

[Matthew J]

Cool.  I get Swift's Twitter feed.  Did not realized the interview was by a 
fellow forumite!
On Monday, September 10, 2012 12:06:32 PM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote: 
>
> I got to interview Martina from Swift this weekend. They make super nice 
> bags for bicycles, and the waxed canvas option is excellent and quite 
> Riv-ish. Check it out if you like. 
> http://cyclingillustrated.com/local-maker-interview-vol-1-swift-industries-by-scot-hinckley/

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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Matthew J]

> but I will admit that a threadless stem will never get rusted/corroded 
into a steerer tube. I've had this problem on several bikes in 
> recent years--one is still stuck--despite the liberal use of grease to 
try to keep sweat and water out.
 
I've been using Lanolube since I discovered Rivendell in '06 or so.  I've 
not had a stem stick on me.  My bikes all spend the night and downtime 
indoors.

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[RBW] Re: Shocking Riv-ish developments at an LBS near me...

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

It is true, however, that until somewhat recently if you wanted to 
"upgrade" yourself (from the entry-level hybrid, etc) as a "serious" 
cyclist, your typical LBS would have pushed you toward a race-style bike, 
complete with the performance-oriented fit, team kit, clipless pedals, and 
all the rest. To a large extent, that's still true, but it is improving! 
Rivendell led the way in showing the rest of the bike industry that there 
was demand for an upscale version of a practical, comfort-oriented bike 
that had nothing to do with racing. Surly wasn't far behind, and now 
numerous smaller companies offer a wide variety of flavors in this genre. 
Even the bigger companies are starting to respond. Cycling clothing comes 
in better variety now, too. And the biggest growth in QBP's catalog in the 
pedal section is a new kind of "clipless" in the numerous brands and models 
of wide, grippy platform pedals that work well with normal shoes.

IMO, we are several years into a golden age of non-racing cycling. 



On Monday, September 10, 2012 10:22:48 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> I was just thinking about a similar thing. I seriously doubt Trek keeps 
> the lights on at Trek world HQ selling Madones. For all the angst over the 
> race-centric bike industry I'd guess 99.9% of the 15.7 million bikes sold 
> in the US in 2011 were comfort, hybrid or MTB. Heck, 4.7 million of those 
> were in the "under 20" wheel" category, which I assume is mostly kids 
> bikes, not Moultons!
>
> Pete in CT
>
> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:22:08 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> Just this year, Surly removed any restrictions on steerer tube length 
>> from their warranty language. The old warranty was invalidated, supposedly, 
>> if the steerer protruded more than 100 mm (4") above the headtube/headset. 
>> We at HC have been ignoring that for years, but this year Surly gave their 
>> blessing to long steerer tubes with the phrase, IIRC, "go nuts". LHT 
>> steerer length for 700C wheels is 320 mm (about 13") and for 26" wheels and 
>> 56cm+ frames, it's 380 mm (just over 15"). For most people, the full-length 
>> steerer is plenty to get the bars high enough. Even when we cut some off, I 
>> always leave an extra 10-15 mm, just in case the rider wants to go a little 
>> higher someday without a new up-angle stem. Anyway, this is a case where 
>> the conventional wisdom about threadless steerers being universally too 
>> short is wrong. Incidentally, I don't believe this is a case of "the 
>> industry" seeing the light as much as a case of saving money by not 
>> pre-cutting the steerers.
>>
>> It's really nothing new that bike shops are selling non-racer bikes. 
>> Everyday Mongo and I fix up old bikes made in the past 1-50 years. Most are 
>> hybrids or comfort bikes or mountain bikes or 1970s and 80s 10-speeds or 
>> English 3-speeds and the like. The fraction of older racing-inspired bikes 
>> that come through for service is tiny. I suspect this means that people 
>> have mostly been buying non-racing bikes for the past 50 years. Of course, 
>> the shops like to push the sexier stuff. When I worked at Freewheel, which 
>> is a big Trek shop (and former BStone dealer) in Minneapolis, we had lots 
>> of racy bikes on display to greet customers when they walked in, but I sold 
>> probably 2-3 Trek 520 touring bikes for every racing-style bike, and 
>> probably 20 $400 hybrids for every race bike. I don't recall selling even 
>> one $5,000-10,000 Madone, even though we had them to sell.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 2:53:49 PM UTC-5, Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>> It's nice to hear LBS folks saying that their sales are coming primarily 
>>> from regular people. Kinda makes me wonder if more and more people are 
>>> realizing the enjoyment that comes with cycling. Surlys are great bikes and 
>>> it makes sense that they're increasing in popularity.
>>>
>>> I have a conjecture about the high steer tubes. I speculate that the 
>>> bikes at your LBS are built up with uncut steer tubes so customers have the 
>>> option of fine tuning their handlebar height. Perhaps potential buyers get 
>>> the opportunity to mix and match washers to find the ideal height when 
>>> going in for a fitting.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:10:22 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Sorry for the typos. I wonder if quill stems will be coming back 
> anytime soon.
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Fwd: [RBW] Grant at College Park Bikes - DC metro area

[Joan Oppel]

 Should have made note that this is DC metro area in case someone hasn't heard of College Park Bikes.  They are a Rivendell dealer, I believe.  And within 1/2 mile of a metro stop, though of course, you'd have to get there early in order to take your bike on Metro.  I might ride there from Arlington and then Metro home. Though not surehave to think about route planning (also, I'm retired so have the time to zig zag around to get there).   Joan --Original Message--From: Joan Oppel Date: Sep 10, 2012 3:03:39 PMSubject: [RBW] Grant at College Park Bikes - SEPT 27To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  See the new Blug - ride at 5, talk at 7.  I'll be there with the Bleriot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



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[RBW] Ancient Rivendell

[Marc Irwin]

  A local bar held a Vintage Bike Rally/swap this past Saturday.  Amidst 
the other stuff I found this ancient Riv like bike with prototype bosco 
bars.

Nobody could tell me the make or year, but you know, the more things 
change



Marc

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Re: [RBW] Ancient Rivendell

[Peter Morgano]

Strut between handlebars looks like it makes a nice place for a friend to
sit, a bike built for two!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

>   A local bar held a Vintage Bike Rally/swap this past Saturday.  Amidst
> the other stuff I found this ancient Riv like bike with prototype bosco
> bars.
>
> Nobody could tell me the make or year, but you know, the more things
> change
>
>
>
> 
> Marc
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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Matt Beebe]

Luckily I've never had a problem with stems seizing either, even with tons 
of rain riding.I use Phil Wood grease.   Or 'never-seize' or whatever 
it's called.

I prefer quill stems for their elegance and adjustability.


On Monday, September 10, 2012 3:17:54 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > but I will admit that a threadless stem will never get rusted/corroded 
> into a steerer tube. I've had this problem on several bikes in 
> > recent years--one is still stuck--despite the liberal use of grease to 
> try to keep sweat and water out.
>  
> I've been using Lanolube since I discovered Rivendell in '06 or so.  I've 
> not had a stem stick on me.  My bikes all spend the night and downtime 
> indoors.
>

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RE: [RBW] Ancient Rivendell

[Marc Schwartz]

Or, a coupla parrots; converse whilst ye ride, matey!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Peter Morgano [uscpeter11...@gmail.com]
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Strut between handlebars looks like it makes a nice place for a friend to sit, 
a bike built for two!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Marc Irwin 
mailto:irwin7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  A local bar held a Vintage Bike Rally/swap this past Saturday.  Amidst the 
other stuff I found this ancient Riv like bike with prototype bosco bars.

Nobody could tell me the make or year, but you know, the more things change


[X]

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Re: [RBW] Ancient Rivendell

[Jeremy Till]

That strut is actually pretty close to what Grant was doing with his Bosco 
prototypes last summer, I think he said it was to see how many different 
hand positions he could eek out of the bars: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79246467@N03/7415796456/in/set-72157629861213795

On Monday, September 10, 2012 1:01:58 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Strut between handlebars looks like it makes a nice place for a friend to 
> sit, a bike built for two!
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Marc Irwin 
> > wrote:
>
>>   A local bar held a Vintage Bike Rally/swap this past Saturday.  Amidst 
>> the other stuff I found this ancient Riv like bike with prototype bosco 
>> bars.
>>
>> Nobody could tell me the make or year, but you know, the more things 
>> change
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Marc 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ancient Rivendell

[Marc Irwin]

I remembered that, he used one of the Irish straps to experiment with it.

Marc

On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:24:14 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> That strut is actually pretty close to what Grant was doing with his Bosco 
> prototypes last summer, I think he said it was to see how many different 
> hand positions he could eek out of the bars: 
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79246467@N03/7415796456/in/set-72157629861213795
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2012 1:01:58 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Strut between handlebars looks like it makes a nice place for a friend to 
>> sit, a bike built for two!
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>>>   A local bar held a Vintage Bike Rally/swap this past Saturday.  Amidst 
>>> the other stuff I found this ancient Riv like bike with prototype bosco 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> Nobody could tell me the make or year, but you know, the more things 
>>> change
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Marc 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs by city

[Rick]

In Atlanta, I've seen a fellow downtown on a Saluki, another guy that
I know has an Atlantis, and there's some fellow out there riding at
speed on an orange Ram.  And a 'muter I saw three years ago on an All
Rounder.  Add to that my Bleriot, Atlantis, the wife's Betty, a
friend's Betty, another friend's Sam.  Perhaps they're breeding at
night.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[cyclotourist]

1" threadless stems. I wouldn't want to buy a $300 custom stem, and don't
like shims.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> 1" threadless WHAT is next to non-existent?  Stems?  Not only are custom
> stems available, you can also use a shim with 1 1/8" threadless, so stems
> are not a problem.  Headsets?  Chris King has them in several styles, and
> when I asked at their booth at NAHBS a couple of years ago about long-term
> availability, they said they would ALWAYS be available.  So you've got
> stems and the best threadless headsets around.  What more do you need?  Is
> there a critical spacer shortage I'm unaware of?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "cyclotourist" 
>
> Downsides are 1-1/8 threadless not really looking elegant with road
> tubing, and 1" threadless is next to non-existent.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can average
$750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single color)?

I guess that raises the question, why does a Taiwanese made Sam H cost more
than a Taiwanese San Marcos?


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> I doubt the price would go that low David, maybe $1000 like the original
> Hillbornes. I would buy one at that price that fits fat tires with a single
> top tube and lugs, no discs please.
> On the stem issue, to me it's tough to build a production bike and get
> everything to line up for everybody type. So those with longer legs and
> shorter torso's end up with taller stems. For me most of the Riv's fit
> pretty well with just the right amount of stem, so I prefer quills.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[ted]

as a wild guess: fancier paint job, lots of rack mounts, more
expensive fork blades.

On Sep 10, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can average
> $750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single color)?
>
> I guess that raises the question, why does a Taiwanese made Sam H cost more
> than a Taiwanese San Marcos?
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Michael_S wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I doubt the price would go that low David, maybe $1000 like the original
> > Hillbornes. I would buy one at that price that fits fat tires with a single
> > top tube and lugs, no discs please.
> > On the stem issue, to me it's tough to build a production bike and get
> > everything to line up for everybody type. So those with longer legs and
> > shorter torso's end up with taller stems. For me most of the Riv's fit
> > pretty well with just the right amount of stem, so I prefer quills.
>
> > ~mike
> > Carlsbad Ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

I would think the partnership with soma eats alot if cost.
On Sep 10, 2012 8:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can
> average $750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single
> color)?
>
> I guess that raises the question, why does a Taiwanese made Sam H cost
> more than a Taiwanese San Marcos?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Michael_S wrote:
>
>> I doubt the price would go that low David, maybe $1000 like the original
>> Hillbornes. I would buy one at that price that fits fat tires with a single
>> top tube and lugs, no discs please.
>> On the stem issue, to me it's tough to build a production bike and get
>> everything to line up for everybody type. So those with longer legs and
>> shorter torso's end up with taller stems. For me most of the Riv's fit
>> pretty well with just the right amount of stem, so I prefer quills.
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad Ca
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it 
wholesale to any shop that wants to order one. Some of those may be willing to 
sell at razor thin margin for some reason. Riv never discounts below MSRP.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[cyclotourist]

So ~$1,000 is the sweet spot for Taiwanese bikes then. Throw a headset on
there and it's out the door!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it
> wholesale to any shop that wants to order one. Some of those may be willing
> to sell at razor thin margin for some reason. Riv never discounts below
> MSRP.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

I thought it would be a complete bike for around that price. It could be
done with powder coat and stickers in liu of badges. Grant has said a few
times the materials are a smaller part of the cost compared to the labor so
you could save 300 or so right there, even over the San Marcos.
On Sep 10, 2012 10:12 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> So ~$1,000 is the sweet spot for Taiwanese bikes then. Throw a headset on
> there and it's out the door!
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it
>> wholesale to any shop that wants to order one. Some of those may be willing
>> to sell at razor thin margin for some reason. Riv never discounts below
>> MSRP.
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[ted]

"Riv never discounts below MSRP"

Um well hardly ever I suppose, but pre order discounts and closeout
blow outs (e.g SimpleOne) have happened.

On Sep 10, 7:02 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
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> wholesale to any shop that wants to order one. Some of those may be willing 
> to sell at razor thin margin for some reason. Riv never discounts below MSRP.

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[RBW] FS - wheels, wool xxl jersey and more!

[Rich Powers]

Any offers before the bay of trading? I'm looking to thing things down
for my new project bike, a Bikefriday NWT!

Rich
Cedar Falls, IA


Paypal personal preferred or check is fine as well.   Please contact
me if you have any questions. Shipping extra at actual cost or some
noted as included.

Some pictures at:

https://picasaweb.google.com/RichDPowers/ForSaleJune192012?feat=email

Nike Wool long sleeve jersey black, gray livestrong edition- xxl great
shape- $35 washed once- worn 2
times. Fits like an XL long in sleeves and torso.  46-48 chest.  Nice

Road/ Cross wheel set.  Sun rims ME14A's black- silver machined
sidewalls.  Alloy nipples and 14/15 DB Wheelsmith spokes. About 1k
miles on them.  Straight and even tension.  Not perfect- pretty darn
good.  Rear hub has only 500 miles on it- 8/9/10 speed Tiarga hub
silver.  Front is a grey LX.  Skewers included.  $99 shipped! Front is
missing rim decal- rear has it as pictured.

SRAM Rival front Der. 35 mm clamp $25

 Dimension touring pedals silver $11 as pictured

Topeak Dyna Pack $ 39 new
http://www.topeak.com/products/Bags/DynaPack


Campy N. Record read Der. Great shape-see pictures made in 1972 not as
perfect as the  84 above very nice but has some use and dirt  on it.
$65

1 pair (2) Syncros 26"  rims  Lil' Snapper  model new-   23 mm wide
13 mm high machined sides- welded and machined seam.
 Black with silver sidewalls.  32 holes eyelets.  $48 pair.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Michael_S]

A Riv needs an appropriate Head badge and nice paint, that's what 
sets them apart.  $1000 or so seems like a good price for a Riv.  

What we really need is more info and less speculation.

~mike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

I dunno, saw a powder coated bombadil, still looked amazing. I think it
didn't have a head badge either. The lines and design were still there to
see, good stuff.
On Sep 10, 2012 11:25 PM, "Michael_S"  wrote:

> A Riv needs an appropriate Head badge and nice paint, that's what
> sets them apart.  $1000 or so seems like a good price for a Riv.
>
> What we really need is more info and less speculation.
>
> ~mike.
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Re: [RBW] Abridged summary of rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 10 Topics

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Ok good

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FS: 60cm Quickbeam. [1 Update]
Rivs by city [6 Updates]
What Is Your Moustache Attitude? [1 Update]
New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013? [3 Updates]
A Minor Modification [7 Updates]
Ride Report: Memory Lane, sort of [1 Update]
FS: Silver Thomson Masterpiece Seat Post 27.2 x 330 and Brown Berthoud Aspin 
Saddle - $100.00 for both [3 Updates]
Rivish LBS in Houston area? [1 Update]
Atlantis Rohloff conversion.  Anyone done it? [1 Update]
Kid's bike [1 Update]







FS: 60cm Quickbeam.



Scott Henry  Sep 10 08:53AM -0400

No worries on sending out to all.
Personally when I see a for sale ad without a price I ignore it.  Its more
of a plea to run up offers and take the highest one.
If a price is listed I'll consider
...more






Rivs by city



"C.J. Filip"  Sep 09 07:46AM -0700

A small handful of Rivs and Riv-inspired bikes here in the college
town of Moscow, ID.  Some Rivs come and go, never to be seen from
again.  The permanent residents seem to be a large Homer, my
...more




Bruce Herbitter  Sep 09 01:01PM -0500


>> A few years ago, someone had started one of those google-maps that had a
>> bunch of us on it;  is that still around somewhere?  Hadn't looked at it in
>> ages

...more




Bruce Baker  Sep 09 05:54PM -0400

This link might work and we could spread the word to populate this..
http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/interactive-google-maps/rivendell-owners-map/
Bruce


...more




Robert Barr  Sep 09 12:01AM -0400

Indianapolis is in the midst of another bike boom, and a large part of this
boom appears to be Riv/Surly influenced.  I can count at least 10 Riv's
that I see during my normal commute and I am sure
...more




Christopher Chen  Sep 09 08:01AM -0700

Add one more AHH in pdx. Actually, I know of one other too...

...more




Michael Richters  Sep 09 07:40PM -0500

> Rare as hen's teeth in Winnipeg, but I know that besides the 2 I own there
> is a fellow bike lover who has 3 or 4 (early pink all-rounder, a custom or 2
> and I believe an AHH)

...more






What Is Your Moustache Attitude?



bulldog1935  Sep 09 09:23AM -0700

Helped my buddy move furniture yesterday and took another look at the setup 
on his Mercian (really checking out progress on his tandem rebuild).  His 
moustache bar on his Mercian goes uphill at
...more






New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?



James Warren  Sep 09 07:51PM -0700

I thought it would be relevant to post the following in relation to the recent 
discussion of disc brakes.

I was just looking at the Riv site. I hadn't read the Hunqapillar description 
for a while,
...more




charlie  Sep 09 09:28PM -0700

Its been a while since I was forced to ride in the rain here in Washington 
State but I know if I start commuting again I will be stuck in it 
eventually and discs do work much better when it is
...more




cyclotourist  Sep 09 10:28PM -0700

Jim, a very thoughtful posting! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

I grew up w/ quill stems, but prefer threadless. I have found installation
is incredibly easy. I've never enjoyed
...more






A Minor Modification



"David T."  Sep 09 01:55PM -0700

I have really been enjoying the Albatross bars on my Atlantis, the whole 
bike seems to have fallen together. 

I like having a mirror, it allows me to relax because I don’t have to 
...more




Lyle Bogart  Sep 09 05:10PM -0400

Nice work, David! Personally, I'm not a mirror fan but I can certainly
appreciate them. How solidly do the zip ties hold the mirror? Is there much
vibration out at the mirror end?

Cheers!

...more




"David T."  Sep 09 05:16PM -0700

On Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:11:09 PM UTC-4, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com 
wrote:
> against the flat part of the brake. The stalk of the mirror is glued into 
> the aluminum tubing with epoxy glue.
...more




Lyle Bogart  Sep 09 08:53PM -0400

Thanks for the details. Again, very nice work!

cheers!

lyle


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206.794.6937

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cyclotourist  Sep 09 06:00PM -0700

That's a fine bicycle hack you have there!


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dougP  Sep 09 07:04PM -0700

Zip ties & fine Canadian aluminum...what a combination!  Nice job.

I'm a mirror lover, & prefer my beerview mirror.  But let's not go
down that rabbit hole!

dougP


...more




Manuel Acosta  Sep 09 09:46PM -0700


...more






Ride Report: Memory Lane, sort of



Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> Sep 09 08:19PM -0700

Love the reflections on the past. Being new to PDX, it's all new to 

[RBW] Ride for the Friendship

[Manuel Acosta]

I'm lucky enough to be able to share my riding with friends old and new.
My buddy Tommy has ridden with me down the coast, through the rivers, in 
the rain, in the sun, with a smile on his face. 
We have shared miles upon miles of roads and dirt. Now he's off to a new 
adventure, Portland! Now my go-to buddy for riding is a tad bit far for a 
simple call for a short ride. Sad to see him go but excited for him. 
Already planning the next trip.
Last ride in the Bay Area ended up doing the classic route with a mixture 
of "cyclocross training".

Side Adventure:
Got to ride with Ely of Ruth Works just around the Marin Headlands. Good to 
be on some dirt. 

Pictures proved that good friends are all you need to for a good ride.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjC55U2K

-Manny "Friends are reason to the ride" Acosta


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