[RBW] Re: I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[Matt Beebe]

Good post William.My ride to work is about 17 miles, and I do it 
everyday. The shortest route would be 12 miles but has heavy automobile 
traffic so I never go that way.I leave early in the morning, before 
dawn mostly, and ride while the sun is rising and auto traffic is at a 
minimum.   I regularly see some wildlife along the way-   deer, foxes, 
coyote, wild turkeys, and the occasional fisher or owl. In the past 
year I have been seeing more cyclists as well.   I love it even in the dead 
of winter.   On the ride home the traffic is heavier but it is still better 
than not riding.If I lived too far from work to ride, I would move, or 
find a different job.



On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:19:38 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>
> It's a hilly 40-mile commute from my home in El Cerrito to my offic in 
> South Hayward.  I deliberately take the long way through the hills 
> (Grizzly-Skyline-Redwood Road) to get more exercise, avoid more cars and 
> enjoy the scenery.  It was a stunningly beautiful morning.  My A. Homer 
> Hilsen rode spectacularly well.  I'm always in a far better mood in the 
> office when I've ridden in.  I feel truly blessed to be the owner of such a 
> fine bicycle and to have my health and fitness that allows me to enjoy it. 
>  I hope some day to work less so I can ride more.  Riding my bicycle makes 
> me feel good.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 20:19 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
> would be better off if they worried less about
> speed and performance. (I once met at a restroom who was desperately
> trying to get her bike computer to work again. It seemed that without
> the computer, she could not continue her ride. I helped her align the
> sensor and magnet, and she was very grateful. I felt like saying to
> her: "Just Ride!")

Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in unfamiliar
territory when you don't have any idea of your mileage.  

Also, a couple of minor annoyances that troubled me on a 70 mile ride
last Sat. when my computer quit:

- now my mileage total for that bike will be off for the rest of the
year

- until the screen blanker timed out, I kept seeing that big zero on the
computer, reminding me yet again it wasn't working



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[RBW] Re: New Hub Area rack

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Count me on the EA list for racks and bags.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Matthew J]

> Some of Grant's bikes perform very well, but generally 
> speaking, Grant is not all that concerned about it. For example, when 
> he introduces a new feature, whether double top tubes or a mixte 
> frame, he doesn't go out and test these features against a reference 
> bike to see whether they are faster or slower. As I said, he isn't 
> worried about that. He isn't doing those features to improve 
> performance.
 
It's an unfortunate fact that when it comes to critiquing things that move, 
many of us are conditioned to think speed is the be all and end all.  As 
you say, GP has made excellent contributions to bike design.  With a few 
exceptions GP is not overly concerned with designing bikes for speed.  
Indeed, he just wrote and is spending much of his summer promoting a book 
that says many riders should stop worrying about speed and look to get a 
quality bike that is comfortable and easy to ride and can haul a lot of 
stuff with aplomb.
 
Let someone correctly point out that most Rivs are excellent bikes, fit and 
work beautifully, a wonderful daily rider, but maybe not the best choice 
for performance, many people tune out everything but the last observation 
and call you a hater.  
 
It is a psychological barrier that makes honest conversation about 
different approaches to bicycles difficult at best.

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:19:12 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:

>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Jan Heine]

On Aug 8, 8:45 pm, ted  wrote:
> And I expect you are right. Sadly at least one of us (me) somehow
> managed to remain ignorant of of some of it up to now.
> I had hoped for a more cogent explication of the rational and evidence
> for at least one of the positions. I now fear I will have to either
> buy back issues of BQ or remain uninformed.

Ted,

The word "planing" came from Matthew Grimm at Kogswell. I was
describing the phenomenon, and compared it to a boat rising out of the
water and using less energy at higher speed than at lower speed.
Similarly, when you get in sync with the bike, it becomes easier to
pedal. You don't use less energy, but the energy becomes easier to
generate. Matthew said: "You mean, the bike planes?"

We had been looking for terms to describe it. A "lively" frame sounded
like squirrely handling to me. The French use the term "nervous" - as
in a race horse that is eager to run. I don't think that term works
well in English. As others pointed out, the concept had been proposed
many times (GP in the Bridgestone catalogue, but even in Bicycling
magazine), but without a name, it never got much traction. We also did
not want a name that implied a process, because we did not know at the
time how it worked.

In the end, the name doesn't matter. We can argue all day whether a
mountain bike should be name an "off-road bike" - you don't need
mountains to ride it, and an mtb isn't even ideal for paved mountain
roads. But the name stuck, and today, everybody knows what a "mountain
bike" is. Arguing over semantics doesn't get us anywhere.

Regarding the data and such, the experiments cost more than $ 5000
(building four identical frames with different tubing, three sets of
identical components, etc.). It was financed by our subscribers. You
will understand that it's not available free of charge online.
Compared to scientific journals, Bicycle Quarterly is very affordable.
If you don't have $ 8.50 for a back issues, you also could read it in
your local library. (If they don't have the magazine, then you can
request that they do.)

Here is how we think "planing" works: An overly stiff frame limits the
pedaling force on the down stroke by making your legs hurt with lactic
acid buildup. A flexible frame accepts the extra pedaling input,
stores it, and releases it during the dead spots. Obviously, what is
"too stiff" will depend on the rider's power output, pedaling style
and other factors. What we do know and have shown is that frame
stiffness does make a difference in performance in a double-blind
test.

You can read an overview over our tests here:

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/a-journey-of-discovery-part-5-frame-stiffness/

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Matthew J]

Grant must be following the discussion:
 
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

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RE: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I think a meaningful number of the bikes were large -- 63cm and above -- or so 
one of the Blug posts on the Mystery Bike suggested.


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Subject: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

Did any tall folks order one of these?  Would love to see if a 65cm+ version 
would have the same stretched-out look.

--Andy


On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:11:53 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic...

No name, no decals. We can call it whatever we want!


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RE: [RBW] Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

No one spec'd this bike but GP.  Early buyers had no input at all -- that was 
the deal.


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Mystery Bike!

As far as I can tell, there is no reason. My recollection from the Blug is that 
the frame was originally going to have a seattube angle incompatible with front 
derailers, but it didn't end up that way. The bicycle as shipped doesn't have 
one because no one spec'd it.

Joe "stick shift" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:18:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 17:11 -0700, jimD wrote:
> I had a chance to ride the Bosco Rubbe labeled bike at RBWHQ.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/6900304841/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> Like every Riv I've ridden it put a smile on my face.
> It rides lushly plush, as un-racerish a ride as I can image.
> Makes the ride of a Schwinn Newsboy seem like a hair shirt.

What is the reason a front derailleur cannot be installed on this frame?




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Re: [RBW] Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[jimD]

BQ is the second best bicycling publication that I read.
Anything written by Grant is more fun for me.

In my experience, all the perceptions and theorizing can be fun if the 
conversation can stay productive and not contentious.
Folks with 'bike chops' (R. Sachs & D. Brooks, along with others) have been 
puzzled by the 'planing' term.

Now, I'll just ride,
JimD

On Aug 8, 2012, at 8:45 PM, ted wrote:

> And I expect you are right. Sadly at least one of us (me) somehow
> managed to remain ignorant of of some of it up to now.
> I had hoped for a more cogent explication of the rational and evidence
> for at least one of the positions. I now fear I will have to either
> buy back issues of BQ or remain uninformed.
> 
> On Aug 8, 7:43 am, jimD  wrote:
>> Ploughing old ground.
>> 
>> Tubes - thin or fat.
>> Tires - skinny or fat.
>> Inflation - high or low.
>> 
>> This has been debated on various fora over a span of several years, till all 
>> that remains are beliefs, opinions,
>> fortified positions, and boredom.
>> 
>> Seems this stuff needs to get batted around periodically.  The Google 
>> already has
>> most of what has been so assiduously argued here.
>> 
>> I appreciate the different points of view and the methods used to arrive at 
>> those beliefs
>> but sure can't understand the discussion getting 'heavy'.
>> 
>> Sheesh , we're talking about bicycles.
>> 
>> We will Ride what we like, believe what we want, none of it will amount to a 
>> hill of beans
>> when seen in the context of (just) riding our bike/s.
>> 
>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it,
>> JimD
>> 
>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:39 PM, ted wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Call me lazy or incompetent but I can't find an explanation of why
>>> whoever coined the terms use as related to bicycles thought it was
>>> apt. Can anybody here explain why planing is an apt term for
>>> beneficial flexing of a bicycles main triangle?
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 11:31 am, Robert Zeidler  wrote:
 And if memory serves I might have seen the term in Bicycle Guide back in 
 the 80's
>> 
 Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ryan Watson  wrote:
>> 
> Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but...
> Long before I ever heard the name Jan Heine or the term "planing," It was 
> Grant Petersen who first brought the phenomenon to my attention.
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalog has an article on p. 34 explaining why they 
> preferred skinny tubing on their bikes when the rest of the world was 
> going OS. It's called "The Benefits of a Little Frame Flex" and compared 
> it to jumping higher on a sprung wooden floor as opposed to a hard 
> concrete floor.
> One quote: "A bike frame flexes under the pressure of pedaling, and, as 
> it recovers from the flex, releases some of that energy to help you go."
> I've always wondered why Grant changed his mind and went with stiff OS 
> tubing on Rivendell bikes.
>> 
> Cheers,
> Ryan in Albuquerque
>> 
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:28, ted  wrote:
>> 
>> "Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when
>> he was first thinking about the issue, IIRC.  He borrowed the term
>> from boating."
>> 
>> Interesting. It is precisely because of the terms use in boating that
>> I find his application perplexing and a source of confusion.
>> When a boat planes it is running more over the water than through it.
>> It's also a phenomena that requires a minimum speed to realize, and
>> there is a hump in resistance before reaching planing speeds where
>> resistance is greater than it is after you get the boat up and
>> planing. Seems like it just doesn't fit as a label for a desirable
>> oscillating bottom bracket motion.
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 10:41 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>>> Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when he 
>>> was first thinking about the issue, IIRC.  He borrowed the term from 
>>> boating.
>> 
>>> One problem is that what's stiff to Jan and Mark might be noodly to me, 
>>> since I am probably 60 lbs heavier and 6" taller than they are.  My 
>>> "fastest" bike (according to my average speeds, anyway, but again there 
>>> are too many uncontrolled variables) is my Ritchey, which also has the 
>>> stiffest BB due to the ovalized seat tube.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:42 PM, ted  wrote:
>> 
 Certainly fads or styles or whatever have ebbed and flowed over
 whether or not a noodly frame is undesirable, or how stiff is stiff
 enough, or if stiff is harsh and uncomfortable, or whatever, but I
 think Jan is fairly unique in claiming categorically that the right
 flex is faster, and enough faster that a stiff bike can't be a good
 "performance" bike.
>> 
 Im still not quite sure exactly what he is advocating. If its about
 beneficial interaction between pedaling act

RE: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Tires are Schwalbe Marathons, 700C x nominal 47mm (about 42 mm actual). Riv 
sells them here:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t001.htm


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Nice looking bike! Looks like it will be fun to build up, too.

Maybe it's an "A. Betty Bombapiller".
What is the exact name of those tires, if you please? What is the tire width 
listed on the sidewalls? They look really nice. Treads look cool, too.


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[RBW] Re: Sackville Large Saddle Bag (Black) & Nitto Saddle Bag Quick Release For Sale

[Brian Campbell]

Bag SOLD! Thanks!

On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:09:56 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:

> Forgot to add O.B.O for the bag. Not looking for trades though. Need cash>

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[RBW] WTT B68 for B67 (Brooks saddle)

[ccanter]

Greetings.  A while back I wanted to try a B67. I swapped a B17 for
one (here on the lists) and after a while of trying it out I find I
like the shape of the saddle but alas the noise of the springs bothers
me somewhat.  I really do not need springs so I would like to trade
with someone here for a B68 (the sprngless version of the 67).  The
one I have is brown.  I would prefer to exchange for a brown or honey
68, but black would be okay as well.  Mine is in good to excellant
condition. If felt to me a bit saggy, so I drilled 3 holes in each
side of the saddle right under the logo and laced her up.  I did a
good job of this( IMO).  I am looking for a trade of similar
condition.
Anyone out there like to swap evens?
Best,
Clyde Canter in Virginia

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Re: [RBW] WTT B68 for B67 (Brooks saddle)

[clyde canter]

Opps.
That (subject) came out wrong. I meant WTT B67 for B68

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, ccanter  wrote:

> Greetings.  A while back I wanted to try a B67. I swapped a B17 for
> one (here on the lists) and after a while of trying it out I find I
> like the shape of the saddle but alas the noise of the springs bothers
> me somewhat.  I really do not need springs so I would like to trade
> with someone here for a B68 (the sprngless version of the 67).  The
> one I have is brown.  I would prefer to exchange for a brown or honey
> 68, but black would be okay as well.  Mine is in good to excellant
> condition. If felt to me a bit saggy, so I drilled 3 holes in each
> side of the saddle right under the logo and laced her up.  I did a
> good job of this( IMO).  I am looking for a trade of similar
> condition.
> Anyone out there like to swap evens?
> Best,
> Clyde Canter in Virginia
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Mike]

>
>
> Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in unfamiliar 
> territory when you don't have any idea of your mileage.   


I haven't used a computer for randonneuring in years and haven't had any 
problem.

Folks, I know we can do it. We can take this thread to 150 post if everyone 
pitches in. Let's do it!

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Zack]

I ride mine in the winter, in Vermont.  Love it.  I thought about getting a 
"beater" but that would just be time spent on a bike that I don't love, 
which isn't worth it.  I probably wouldn't ride without fenders though, as 
wintertime increases the amount of junk on the road that is getting kicked 
up into the bike.  

I also just ride the bike, and don't keep it showroom clean all the time 
(although I do buff it up from time to time just because I think that's 
fun).  

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[grant]

I think Jan's got  it right, and will only qualify a definition here. This 
isn't a way to agree on the surface while disagreeing behind the scences. 
"Performance" depends on what it is you're trying to do on the bike, but 
these days it's easy to hear "performance" and think of it only in racer 
terms, which means speed. There may be some other nuances to it, but they 
all point to speed. That kind of performance is best achieved by lowering 
your wind drag, rolling resistance, and weight---obviously going the 
opposite direction (except in the case of weight down a hill) won't improve 
your performance. But whatever you do in the speed-enhancing arena, the 
flesh on the engine is still the main contributor or detractor, and I'd say 
it makes the most sense to harp on the metal and rubber only if the flesh 
is whittled and toned as much as it can be, or you've just accepted that it 
ain't going to get any better, so you'll buy what's buyable.
For somebody who doesn't race, though, "performance" can be defined in so 
many other ways--safety, durability, flat-resistance and reliability, and 
so on. I will stop here because I don't have much more to say on it, and i 
don't want a long paragraph to look like a retort. I mean this only to 
clarify what I see as "performance." 

Jan is making a HUGE contribution to what I sometimes just think of as "the 
groovy spectrum of bicycles." He is calling attention to details, styles, 
and tradition that nobody else is, or has done as effectively. He knows 
the  past and is futurizing it and making updated versions (the crank, etc) 
available now, in forms that were better than the originals, in many cases. 
He is educating along the way. If neither Jan nor I had any opinions (and 
for my end of that, I'll say that everything I tend to state declaratively 
is still an opinion), then we'd both be big bores. Neither of us goes out 
of our way to rabble-rouse for its own sake or to draw attention to 
ourselves, but that is sometimes the result. 

So much for no big paragraphy things, but my parting words are yet another 
pat on the back for Jan. It was he who started the ball rolling on 650B. He 
got ME interested. RIV was in a position to do something (at the time Jan 
wasn't), and so we got the early rims and tires made, and yakked about 
'em---but as I've said before but not for a while, it was Jan who kicked it 
off. We have far more in common than not, but every now and then there'll 
be a stiff versus supple conflict, but it's between tires, not people. Both 
work, of course.

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Allan in Portland]

I live in Portland so take this answer with a grain of salt (heh). But when 
I first got my AHH I intended for it to be a summer bike. Once winter 
arrived I couldn't bring myself to stop riding it.

-Allan

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:12:32 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I really want to ride mine this winter, but don't want it to get damaged 
> by road salts.
> Any ideas? How do you keep it safe from salt?
>

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[RJM]

I like to think of it as picking the performance for your purpose.

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[lungimsam]

I am in Maryland, and we get some freezing rain and a few bouts of snow in 
the winter. Sometimes an inch a few times a winter, sometimes more.
Hard to tell. We had some whoppers a few years ago. Normally, nothing at 
all like you guys must get in MN and ME. I don't know how you do it up 
there.
 
Last winter was the mildest I ever saw in Maryland. That would have been a 
great winter for riding, had I done so.

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[RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[lungimsam]

I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the 
silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the 
cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a 
good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever 
dropouts the Bleriot has?
Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.
 
As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving 
with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their 
velosophy.
Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an 
unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 
choices in the back.

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[RBW] High Rock Explorer (s36o)

[Mike]

Day before yesterday, my friend Ed and I went out to the Mt Hood NF for an 
overnight camping trip. We ended up exploring an incredible FS road to 
access High Rock. We rode out of Portland via the Springwater Corridor and 
then took Hwy 224 out to Estacada. Just before the entrance to the Mt Hood 
National Forest, along the Clackamas River we hooked a left up FS Rd 4610. 
The road began with a big steep paved climb. As the road mellowed out it 
changed to dirt. Once we made about 7 miles up the road we saw no more cars 
or people. The road was great but challenging in parts due to it kicking up 
in spots and being hard to get traction. It was also hot. We ended up 
staying at an abandoned campground that was in quite a state of disrepair 
but as good a place as any to camp. The mosquitos went to town on me and I 
was bummed about not bringing a tent. The next morning we were up early and 
still headed to High Rock. It was slow going due to our leisurely pace, the 
terrain and the fantastic views we got from the road looking south to Mt 
Jefferson and the Willamette NF. We finally go to the base of High Rock 
where we enjoyed a great view of Mt Hood. We started to head off East with 
a plan of doing a big loop around Timothy Lake and returning down to the 
Clackamas River. We ended up cutting our route short and took a gravel road 
down to Timothy Lake and then returning to the Clackamas River via Anvil 
Creek, Rd 58 then Rd 57. From there we pedaled back to Portland with 
another stop at the taco truck in Estacada. It was really a great ride but 
far too short. I would have loved to have stayed out for an extra day. 

I realize the road names and numbers might not mean anything to folks but I 
put them in there for people that are in the area or might come through 
here. This route encompassed some of the best roads for cycling in the Mt 
Hood NF and I encourage folks to check them out. They're great for day 
rides or bike camping.

Neither of us were riding Riv bikes but there was plenty of cloth tape, 
MUSA clothing and other Riv components and accessories on board to qualify 
for posting here.

Pictures proved it happended, right? Here you go:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630981119440/with/7744528390/

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Michael_S]

After reading all of these comments and digesting them, I have to say that 
Jan and Grant are the two biggest influences in my cycling life. I 
certainly don't agree with the many of the recommendation or conclusions 
offered but overall they represent the driving forces in how and what I 
ride. And I believe they are the impetus behind the steel bike's 
semi-return to  popularity.
I've owned 3 Bridgestone's and two Rivs so far and love Grant's designs and 
bikes (please return to a more level top tube though) and currently have 
two customs heavily influenced by Jan's ideas (no more 
29er extrapolations please).

Just want to say thanks for all of their energy and commitment to making my 
cycling experience a true passion in my life.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:03:02 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the 
> silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
> I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the 
> cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a 
> good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever 
> dropouts the Bleriot has?
> Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.
>  
> As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving 
> with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their 
> velosophy.
> Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an 
> unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 
> choices in the back.
>


While I agree on the spirit of the thought... 

I'm using 9-speed cassettes on my Rivs.  They work, well.  No, I don't need 
9; my old Nishiki has 7, and it works fine still, too. But with cassettes 
that function, do we 'need' to make a cassette w/ fewer, just to do such?   

I mean, if you want a range of 11-32, and you've got an 11-32 9sp,  
although you might be fine with a 5sp version of an 11-32, does it hurt to 
have those four extra cogs in there?

If, every cassette out there was a 10-sp 11-28, and you wanted to create 
the first 32 or 34, but to do such, required you to go down to a 5sp, then 
by all means, it needs to be done.   But we have 11-32, and 11-34, there 
are some cassettes that go up to 36 too...

As long as I can get the range I want, in a reasonable number, then I'm 
okay w/ using what Shimano or SRAM have on the market.  But if there's 
something new that can be offered, elsewhere, then I'm all for it.  


Hope that makes sense, and doesn't come across as argumentative.

-L

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[RBW] Re: Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[pb]

Five??  Three cogs is plenty, and 640k of RAM ought to be enough as well.
 
Peter
(Really, really likes compact 2x10)  
 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Liesl]

I ride in Minneapolis/St. Paul in the winter, and I have two winter 
beaters: an '86 Trek 620 and a 98 kona fire mountain.  I had the kona 
before I found Riv's, and rode it in the winter to begin with, so it stays 
in the winter beater category.  It's the one bike that sports studded 
tires.   When I got my Saluki in 2006, the kona felt like an old Econoline 
van and lay fallow in the basement.  So winter comes and I wasn't excited 
about riding the kona but I didn't want to be so hard on my Saluki, so I 
found the Trek.  I was ideal because it had seen a lot of use and had been 
converted to a single.  Singles are great in urban snow/winter.  Then I 
fell in love with single speeds (it's endless, isn't it?) and got a proto 
bleriot that I made into a single.  At this point, all of these bikes have 
seen snow and salt and grime.  The bleriot comes out for those very cold 
days when the roads are mostly dry even though there's snow.  The Trek does 
duty on the regular old salty grimey slushy roads.  The kona, with its with 
studded tires, comes out for the saltiest grimiest ruttiest conditions.
The Saluki goes into hibernation, but sometimes gets caught in an 
early/late snow.  

For me, much of it is about tire choice.  Unless I need them, I don't like 
knobbies and I really don't like studs.  That said, I am not immune to 
slipping and falling on ruts—this is probably one of the biggest dangers 
winter bikers here talk about.  (Just ask Jim Thill!)  So I grab the most 
sure-footed for the conditions.  This helps keep both me and the bike from 
getting bent and broken.  

And yes, the salt and slush are very hard on the bikes if you don't get it 
wiped down after a ride.

And I love seeing photos of Rivs in snow

Liesl

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[RBW] Re: I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[pb]

OK...  I'm impressed.  Do you round-trip it?
 
My commute is 35 miles with about 3000 feet of climibiong, and I have 
difficulty motivating myself to do it on any kind of a regular 
basis.  Damn.  I have to get on it again.
 
Peter
 
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:19:38 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

> It's a hilly 40-mile commute from my home in El Cerrito to my offic in 
> South Hayward.  I deliberately take the long way through the hills 
> (Grizzly-Skyline-Redwood Road) to get more exercise, avoid more cars and 
> enjoy the scenery.  It was a stunningly beautiful morning.  My A. Homer 
> Hilsen rode spectacularly well.  I'm always in a far better mood in the 
> office when I've ridden in.  I feel truly blessed to be the owner of such a 
> fine bicycle and to have my health and fitness that allows me to enjoy it. 
>  I hope some day to work less so I can ride more.  Riding my bicycle makes 
> me feel good.  

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[RBW] Dia Comp Downtube Ratchet Shifters

[Big Paulie]

I just installed a set of downtube ratchet shifters on my San Marcos.

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[RBW] Re: Dia Comp Downtube Ratchet Shifters

[Big Paulie]

Sorry, my above post was published before it was completed...

The crank gear level seems to slip "downward" into the smaller rings
as I ride.

Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Liesl]

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:00:26 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> Folks, I know we can do it. We can take this thread to 150 post if 
> everyone pitches in. Let's do it!


Here's to 150-posted threads! 

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[RBW] Re: New Hub Area rack

[Liesl]

I hope my budget allows me, too, to be an EA on the racks and bags (can't 
wait to see the bags).  

Liesl

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Mini Moto Brake Silver High Polish

[The Cripler]

I'm posting this again. . There were a couple of folks interested before I 
went on a short tour in the redwoods last weekend, but I haven't heard back 
from them so the Mini Moto is still available.
 


Here are a few pics: The first shows the small wrench marks. 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:28:09 PM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

> I have decided to give up on running a Mini Moto front on my 
> Atlantis.  There just isn't enough clearance to run Big Apples no matter 
> how much futzing I do, and I'm not willing to drop down to a 35mm tire. 
> Anyway, I am selling one brake. I have owned it for about three weeks or 
> so, and picked it up from the Paul wearhouse myself. Everything you need is 
> there as it would be new. There are a few marks on the spring adjuster nuts 
> from using a 15mm wrench to adjust tension and about two rides worths of 
> wear on the pads. Not a big deal and the only thing to distiguish them from 
> being brand new.  I can post/send a pic of spring adjuster nuts if it might 
> be an issue for you. $90 shipped. I will be out of town from tommorow 
> through the weekend and would be able to ship until tuesday at the soonest. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Mini Moto Brake Silver High Polish

[The Cripler]

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:28:09 PM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote: 
>
> I have decided to give up on running a Mini Moto front on my 
> Atlantis.  There just isn't enough clearance to run Big Apples no matter 
> how much futzing I do, and I'm not willing to drop down to a 35mm tire. 
> Anyway, I am selling one brake. I have owned it for about three weeks or 
> so, and picked it up from the Paul wearhouse myself. Everything you need is 
> there as it would be new. There are a few marks on the spring adjuster nuts 
> from using a 15mm wrench to adjust tension and about two rides worths of 
> wear on the pads. Not a big deal and the only thing to distiguish them from 
> being brand new.  I can post/send a pic of spring adjuster nuts if it might 
> be an issue for you. $90 shipped. I will be out of town from tommorow 
> through the weekend and would be able to ship until tuesday at the soonest. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Blug - Visitors to the Riv HQ

[Philip Williamson]

My friends Haley and Lizzie were featured on the 
Blug! http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/28936544956/aug-7

It's nice to see that their bikes acquired even more mojo on their travels. 
They were already pretty 
awesome: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/7164776598/

Philip
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Mini Moto Brake Silver High Polish

[The Cripler]

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:28:09 PM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote: 
>
> I have decided to give up on running a Mini Moto front on my 
> Atlantis.  There just isn't enough clearance to run Big Apples no matter 
> how much futzing I do, and I'm not willing to drop down to a 35mm tire. 
> Anyway, I am selling one brake. I have owned it for about three weeks or 
> so, and picked it up from the Paul wearhouse myself. Everything you need is 
> there as it would be new. There are a few marks on the spring adjuster nuts 
> from using a 15mm wrench to adjust tension and about two rides worths of 
> wear on the pads. Not a big deal and the only thing to distiguish them from 
> being brand new.  I can post/send a pic of spring adjuster nuts if it might 
> be an issue for you. $90 shipped. I will be out of town from tommorow 
> through the weekend and would be able to ship until tuesday at the soonest. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Mini Moto Brake Silver High Polish

[The Cripler]

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:28:09 PM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote: 
>
> I have decided to give up on running a Mini Moto front on my 
> Atlantis.  There just isn't enough clearance to run Big Apples no matter 
> how much futzing I do, and I'm not willing to drop down to a 35mm tire. 
> Anyway, I am selling one brake. I have owned it for about three weeks or 
> so, and picked it up from the Paul wearhouse myself. Everything you need is 
> there as it would be new. There are a few marks on the spring adjuster nuts 
> from using a 15mm wrench to adjust tension and about two rides worths of 
> wear on the pads. Not a big deal and the only thing to distiguish them from 
> being brand new.  I can post/send a pic of spring adjuster nuts if it might 
> be an issue for you. $90 shipped. I will be out of town from tommorow 
> through the weekend and would be able to ship until tuesday at the soonest. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm not down quite to 5 cogs, but I do run just 7 on each of my
Fargo's 8-9-10 sp wheelsets, with two extra spacers squooshed behind
the big one and the cassette body's lip. I could replace a couple from
the outer end with spacers and make them fives, I suppose but that
would give me highs of only 67" (BAs) and 69" (Kojaks).

Now 5 speed *freewheels* from old bike boom bikes are still relatively
plentiful and cheap, at least if you want 14-28s.

Patrick "16-18-20-22-24-28-34 and 15-17-18-19-21-24-29" Moore

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
> I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the
> silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
> I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the
> cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a
> good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever
> dropouts the Bleriot has?
> Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.
>
> As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving
> with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their
> velosophy.
> Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an
> unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 choices
> in the back.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Three? We don't need no stinkin' multispeed freewheels; hell, we don't
even need any stinkin' freewheels. Single speed fixed is the answer.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM, pb  wrote:
> Five??  Three cogs is plenty, and 640k of RAM ought to be enough as well.
>
> Peter
> (Really, really likes compact 2x10)
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[Robert F. Harrison]

It's great you enjoy your commute...a little more than I'd care for, but it
sounds stunning.

I have a 1 miles commute which I do everyday, rain or shine. I head
straight to work in the morning, still dark out, but I do manage to toss in
a few miles on the way home so that I feel like I've had a bike ride.

Bob

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, William  wrote:

> It's a hilly 40-mile commute from my home in El Cerrito to my offic in
> South Hayward.  I deliberately take the long way through the hills
> (Grizzly-Skyline-Redwood Road) to get more exercise, avoid more cars and
> enjoy the scenery.  It was a stunningly beautiful morning.  My A. Homer
> Hilsen rode spectacularly well.  I'm always in a far better mood in the
> office when I've ridden in.  I feel truly blessed to be the owner of such a
> fine bicycle and to have my health and fitness that allows me to enjoy it.
>  I hope some day to work less so I can ride more.  Riding my bicycle makes
> me feel good.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Hub Area rack

[Rob]

That looks very nice, especially for low-trail bikes.  I'll be 
another watching for the bags on this one. 

Any thoughts on what the tab on the top front corner is for? Something 
that'll drop down from a Mark's rack? 

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Joe K]

I don't really take out the Riv in the snow, but here in the NYC area
we have many, many winter days with no snow or wet roads at all.  But
there's still plenty of salt out there, and I worry about what that
might do to the bike.

Nonetheless I take the Riv out now and then on those clear bright
winter days.  I should probably have rinsed it down afterwards, but it
still looks good.

The regular winter bike is my Univega beater, which is also my year-
round shopping bike, as it has racks and folding baskets.

Joe K

On Aug 9, 1:30 pm, Liesl  wrote:
> I ride in Minneapolis/St. Paul in the winter, and I have two winter
> beaters: an '86 Trek 620 and a 98 kona fire mountain.  I had the kona
> before I found Riv's, and rode it in the winter to begin with, so it stays
> in the winter beater category.  It's the one bike that sports studded
> tires.   When I got my Saluki in 2006, the kona felt like an old Econoline
> van and lay fallow in the basement.  So winter comes and I wasn't excited
> about riding the kona but I didn't want to be so hard on my Saluki, so I
> found the Trek.  I was ideal because it had seen a lot of use and had been
> converted to a single.  Singles are great in urban snow/winter.  Then I
> fell in love with single speeds (it's endless, isn't it?) and got a proto
> bleriot that I made into a single.  At this point, all of these bikes have
> seen snow and salt and grime.  The bleriot comes out for those very cold
> days when the roads are mostly dry even though there's snow.  The Trek does
> duty on the regular old salty grimey slushy roads.  The kona, with its with
> studded tires, comes out for the saltiest grimiest ruttiest conditions.
> The Saluki goes into hibernation, but sometimes gets caught in an
> early/late snow.
>
> For me, much of it is about tire choice.  Unless I need them, I don't like
> knobbies and I really don't like studs.  That said, I am not immune to
> slipping and falling on ruts—this is probably one of the biggest dangers
> winter bikers here talk about.  (Just ask Jim Thill!)  So I grab the most
> sure-footed for the conditions.  This helps keep both me and the bike from
> getting bent and broken.
>
> And yes, the salt and slush are very hard on the bikes if you don't get it
> wiped down after a ride.
>
> And I love seeing photos of Rivs in snow
>
> Liesl

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[RBW] Re: Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Rob]

I commute on my Saluki all year 'round. I'm in Seattle, so salt is very, 
very rarely an issue, but it does consistently rain here eight 
months/year. The Saluki has fenders and 'flaps, which keep most of the grit 
off the bike, and I (fairly) regularly wash the bike and lube the chain. 
The home-made flap made a big 
difference: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/7682504902/

Riding this bike gives me inordinate pleasure. Life is too short not to 
enjoy the wonderful things in it as much and as often as possible. 

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Courage Classic

[Rob]

I picked up a brochure for that ride a couple days beforehand, figured I 
wouldn't have time to fund-raise. Sounds like a great ride, and definitely 
a worthy cause. I'm going to try to get started earlier and do that next 
year.

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] GP in Men's Journal - Biking's Philosopher Crank

[Amit Singh]

http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/bikings-philosopher-crank-20120720

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RE: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[Marc Schwartz]

I have a six speed freewheel on my Bleriot which, like all Bleriot, is spaced 
at 135mm across the rear dropouts. It is mounted on an old Phil Wood hub.
I re-dished the wheel to accomodate the 135 spacing and the narrower freewheel, 
and put a new axle and spacers (available from Phil) in the hub. This resulted 
in a rear wheel with very little dishing, if any...mucho strong!

You can also, for simplicity's sake,  just use the necessary spacers like Mr. 
Moore did. Works fine. Also like Patrick points out, 5,6,&7 speed freewheels 
are still relatively easy to come by; try Ebay, or Loose Screws Bicycle Parts.

Regards,
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of lungimsam [john11.2...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the silence, 
smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the 
cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a good 
ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever dropouts the 
Bleriot has?
Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.

As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving with 
their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their velosophy.
Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an 
unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 choices in 
the back.

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Re: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[Joe Bernard]

For the record, there were never any 5-speed cassettes.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo CA.

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 12:09:24 PM UTC-7, Mayfly wrote:

> I have a six speed freewheel on my Bleriot which, like all Bleriot, is 
> spaced at 135mm across the rear dropouts. It is mounted on an old Phil Wood 
> hub. 
> I re-dished the wheel to accomodate the 135 spacing and the narrower 
> freewheel, and put a new axle and spacers (available from Phil) in the hub. 
> This resulted in a rear wheel with very little dishing, if any...mucho 
> strong! 
>
> You can also, for simplicity's sake,  just use the necessary spacers like 
> Mr. Moore did. Works fine. Also like Patrick points out, 5,6,&7 speed 
> freewheels are still relatively easy to come by; try Ebay, or Loose Screws 
> Bicycle Parts. 
>
> Regards, 
> Marc 
>  
> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] on behalf of lungimsam [
> john1...@gmail.com ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 PM 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore? 
>
> I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the 
> silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability. 
> I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the 
> cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it. 
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a 
> good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever 
> dropouts the Bleriot has? 
> Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain. 
>
> As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving 
> with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their 
> velosophy. 
> Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an 
> unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 
> choices in the back. 
>
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[RBW] Re: I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[William]

I have done the round trip a few times.  I live one mile from a BART 
station on either end, also, so usually I'm just doing the bike and BART 
commute.  I'm lucky enough to work at the same company as my wife.  We 
carpool in together in the morning with a bike on the roof.  She leaves 
early and I work the full day.  I bike and BART home.  Every Friday (she 
doesn't work Fridays) I do the long ride in.  In a good week, I'll do it 
Friday and another day.  

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:33:26 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
> OK...  I'm impressed.  Do you round-trip it?
>  
> My commute is 35 miles with about 3000 feet of climibiong, and I have 
> difficulty motivating myself to do it on any kind of a regular 
> basis.  Damn.  I have to get on it again.
>  
> Peter
>  
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:19:38 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
>> It's a hilly 40-mile commute from my home in El Cerrito to my offic in 
>> South Hayward.  I deliberately take the long way through the hills 
>> (Grizzly-Skyline-Redwood Road) to get more exercise, avoid more cars and 
>> enjoy the scenery.  It was a stunningly beautiful morning.  My A. Homer 
>> Hilsen rode spectacularly well.  I'm always in a far better mood in the 
>> office when I've ridden in.  I feel truly blessed to be the owner of such a 
>> fine bicycle and to have my health and fitness that allows me to enjoy it. 
>>  I hope some day to work less so I can ride more.  Riding my bicycle makes 
>> me feel good.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: GP in Men's Journal - Biking's Philosopher Crank

[pb]

 
"... clings to his muscular torso..."
 

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 12:06:18 PM UTC-7, Amit Singh wrote:

> http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/bikings-philosopher-crank-20120720
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[RBW] Re: Dia Comp Downtube Ratchet Shifters

[William]

Your left side shifter doesn't have quite enough friction to hold the front 
derailleur in position so it gradually slips down to a smaller ring.  

What I've noticed with those shifters is the bolt is a little long, and it 
prone to bottom out in the hole that it threads into before really 
tightening the shifter mechanism.  I take care of that with an additional 
thin washer, like the one that came with your shifter.  Another way is to 
file down the bolt a mm or so.  Or just use a shorter allen head bolt first 
and convince yourself that is the problem.

Let me know if that doesn't make sense

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:38:43 AM UTC-7, Big Paulie wrote:
>
> Sorry, my above post was published before it was completed... 
>
> The crank gear level seems to slip "downward" into the smaller rings 
> as I ride. 
>
> Thoughts? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70s

[Steve Park]

I am impressed with the CX70 canti's.   
My favorite part of these are the nicely made pivots which eliminate play 
on the canti stud - makes for solid and quiet braking.  I use dura salmon 
pads with a little toe-in.  Setting these up is relatively straight forward 
as canti brakes go.  I bent the springs a little to give the right lever 
resistance.

Compared to other canti's I've used:
-similar function to Bruce Gordon canti's, but nowhere near as pretty.
-a little better than the IRD Cafams, which are very nice.
-much better than TRP EuroX and CR720s.

 
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:19:55 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone.  If the CX70's take standard "dura type" inserts, then 
> that is very nice.  I'm still in a bit of sticker shock.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 08:00 -0700, Mike wrote:
> 
> Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in
> unfamiliar territory when you don't have any idea of your
> mileage.   
> 
> 
> I haven't used a computer for randonneuring in years and haven't had
> any problem.

Right.  

And when my daughter was 2 years old we went to Boston, walked around in
the park looking for the ducks from _Make Way For Ducklings_.

A dozen years later we were on a bike tour and saw a hammered dulcimer
player at the Peters Valley Craft Fair.  He had a bunch of record albums
set up for sale around where he was playing.  The records had a picture
on the cover of him playing sitting in front of a big fountain.  

She takes a look and says she knows where that fountain is located, and
tells me the name of the park and the street location: the park we were
in when she was 2 years old, and where she has not been since then.

How many other people can do that?

I know lots of people who can't get tires on without tire jacks or
levers.  I had to help one on today's ride.  (OK, he has a legitimate
excuse, having injured his hands in a fall a couple of months ago.)  

The fact that you can do something extraordinary doesn't mean anyone
else can, or that they should be forced to try.


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Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70s

[Steve Park]

Spend money on good brakes, and save money elsewhere.  Better stoppers make 
riding more fun.

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, Steve Park wrote:
>
> I am impressed with the CX70 canti's.   
> My favorite part of these are the nicely made pivots which eliminate play 
> on the canti stud - makes for solid and quiet braking.  I use dura salmon 
> pads with a little toe-in.  Setting these up is relatively straight forward 
> as canti brakes go.  I bent the springs a little to give the right lever 
> resistance.
>
> Compared to other canti's I've used:
> -similar function to Bruce Gordon canti's, but nowhere near as pretty.
> -a little better than the IRD Cafams, which are very nice.
> -much better than TRP EuroX and CR720s.
>
>  
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:19:55 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, everyone.  If the CX70's take standard "dura type" inserts, then 
>> that is very nice.  I'm still in a bit of sticker shock.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 20:03 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone
> makes a good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or
> whatever dropouts the Bleriot has? Just thinking ahead to my next
> drivetrain.

There never was a 5.  There may have been 6's, but just try to find one
today.  7, on the other hand, is available, and as far as I can tell, in
every one of the original tooth combinations (although, sadly, not any
longer in all the fancy chrome plated versions).  

And at least three of those 7 speed combinations should be of special
interest to Riv owners:

- 13-30 In either 700C or 650B, this makes one of the nicest gearing
sets for road use with a "compact triple" of 24 or 26/36/46 or 48

- 13-34 A superb heavy loaded touring combination

- 14-32 You would be shocked how nice this is with a 650B wheel and a
39/53 crank.  The significance: there are so many 39/53 cranks available
on ebay they're dirt cheap.  I got one with bottom bracket that I used
on my commuter for years, now on my shopping bike, for around $30.  Low
of around 32, high around 100, nicely spaced throughout the range.  

With 7 and a spacer, you can use all the sprockets while on the big ring
without excessive angularity or cross-chaining.  Live on the 53, use the
39 like a granny!



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[RBW] Re: GP in Men's Journal - Biking's Philosopher Crank

[Marty]

Very cool. Years ago I was leading design for Black &Decker, and was asked by 
Men's Journal to recommend a product manufacturer that they could highlight in 
their annual Design issue. I sent them to Grant, and if memory serves he in 
turn asked them to feature the Brooks B17. I remember that issue! Nice to see 
that they remembered him, and went back for more. Well, deserved! 

Marty

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[RBW] Do you ride your Rivendell in the winter, or use a beater bike?

[Marc Irwin]

In the past, no; but this year I am buying Nokia Extreme 29ers for my Hunq.  I 
am worried about the road crud also,but the MUP's could be a lot of fun with an 
inch or two of ice and 3 inches of fresh snow.  I just can't resist.

Marc

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[RBW] Re: I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[Rick]

My commute is a little short of five, four of that on a path until I
get into downtown and some heavy traffic.  I always try to do it if
it's possible -- sometimes I have to leave the office and go too far
for the bike --- so it winds up being about three days a week. I'm
fortunate to have a gym in the basement with a shower for when I get a
bit sweaty, which is usually the case in Atlanta in the summer. (I set
my high-temp commuting record this year with a return leg at 105;
comparatively moderate Georgia winters have kept my low at 18).

The best part is always the ride home.  Its the perfect way to get the
kinks out and shed the work day worries before meeting back up with
the family.  Sadly, I was required to drive today . . .

Rick.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Mike]

We're gonna hit 150 for sure. I can feel it!

As for computers, you want to use one? Go for it. But it's not essential. 
And I see folks perseverating over GPS files and mileage on computers. You 
have a cue sheet, look up from your handlebars and follow it. It's amazing 
to think that anyone could finish PBP back in the old days without a 
computer or GPS.



On Thursday, August 9, 2012 12:53:37 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 08:00 -0700, Mike wrote: 
> > 
> > Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in 
> > unfamiliar territory when you don't have any idea of your 
> > mileage.   
> > 
> > 
> > I haven't used a computer for randonneuring in years and haven't had 
> > any problem. 
>
> Right.   
>
> And when my daughter was 2 years old we went to Boston, walked around in 
> the park looking for the ducks from _Make Way For Ducklings_. 
>
> A dozen years later we were on a bike tour and saw a hammered dulcimer 
> player at the Peters Valley Craft Fair.  He had a bunch of record albums 
> set up for sale around where he was playing.  The records had a picture 
> on the cover of him playing sitting in front of a big fountain.   
>
> She takes a look and says she knows where that fountain is located, and 
> tells me the name of the park and the street location: the park we were 
> in when she was 2 years old, and where she has not been since then. 
>
> How many other people can do that? 
>
> I know lots of people who can't get tires on without tire jacks or 
> levers.  I had to help one on today's ride.  (OK, he has a legitimate 
> excuse, having injured his hands in a fall a couple of months ago.)   
>
> The fact that you can do something extraordinary doesn't mean anyone 
> else can, or that they should be forced to try. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:30 -0700, Mike wrote:
> 
> As for computers, you want to use one? Go for it. But it's not
> essential. And I see folks perseverating over GPS files and mileage on
> computers. You have a cue sheet, look up from your handlebars and
> follow it. It's amazing to think that anyone could finish PBP back in
> the old days without a computer or GPS. 

I rode with bike clubs for 20 years before getting a computer.  Back in
the early days, the best use of a computer was as a conversation starter
at the rest stops, comparing accuracy and listening to people complain
when they forgot to start it back up.

But not everybody knows how far 2.8 miles is, or has the faintest clue
where they are.  I got to feel it all over again the first time I rode a
brevet in the dark.  I had rigged up a light and I could see the cue
sheet (even though it was so bright it dazzled me) but I couldn't see
the computer.  Also, I had a small accumulating error because I'd
switched tires from Grand Bois Cypres 700x30 to Pasela 700x32s, so the
tires were around 1.4% smaller.

So there I was, in the dark.  Cue sheet said turn on so and so road,
easy to miss, unmarked.  No idea what my actual mileage was.  In an
unfamiliar area.  In the dark.  Knowing if I screwed up, I'd have to
retrace.  Bonus miles on top of 25% farther than I'd ridden in years
(and that last was one of the most memorable, worst rides of my entire
life).

It was one of those "walking through the dark hours of the soul" moments
I'll probably remember for a long time to come.

As for PBP, don't they put out signs, like they do on Bike Virginia?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Mike]

And Steve, if we're ever riding together on a brevet and i ask you how many 
miles until the next turn or control, just telle to shut up.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] High Rock Explorer (s36o)

[Brian Hanson]

Nice report and pics, Mike!  Envy...

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Mike  wrote:

> Day before yesterday, my friend Ed and I went out to the Mt Hood NF for an
> overnight camping trip. We ended up exploring an incredible FS road to
> access High Rock. We rode out of Portland via the Springwater Corridor and
> then took Hwy 224 out to Estacada. Just before the entrance to the Mt Hood
> National Forest, along the Clackamas River we hooked a left up FS Rd 4610.
> The road began with a big steep paved climb. As the road mellowed out it
> changed to dirt. Once we made about 7 miles up the road we saw no more cars
> or people. The road was great but challenging in parts due to it kicking up
> in spots and being hard to get traction. It was also hot. We ended up
> staying at an abandoned campground that was in quite a state of disrepair
> but as good a place as any to camp. The mosquitos went to town on me and I
> was bummed about not bringing a tent. The next morning we were up early and
> still headed to High Rock. It was slow going due to our leisurely pace, the
> terrain and the fantastic views we got from the road looking south to Mt
> Jefferson and the Willamette NF. We finally go to the base of High Rock
> where we enjoyed a great view of Mt Hood. We started to head off East with
> a plan of doing a big loop around Timothy Lake and returning down to the
> Clackamas River. We ended up cutting our route short and took a gravel road
> down to Timothy Lake and then returning to the Clackamas River via Anvil
> Creek, Rd 58 then Rd 57. From there we pedaled back to Portland with
> another stop at the taco truck in Estacada. It was really a great ride but
> far too short. I would have loved to have stayed out for an extra day.
>
> I realize the road names and numbers might not mean anything to folks but
> I put them in there for people that are in the area or might come through
> here. This route encompassed some of the best roads for cycling in the Mt
> Hood NF and I encourage folks to check them out. They're great for day
> rides or bike camping.
>
> Neither of us were riding Riv bikes but there was plenty of cloth tape,
> MUSA clothing and other Riv components and accessories on board to qualify
> for posting here.
>
> Pictures proved it happended, right? Here you go:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630981119440/with/
> 7744528390/
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[NME]

And, excellent bike karma: they just found it!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[Peter Morgano]

God I hate flying, I have been in this situation too. I am glad it all
worked out!

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[RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[Scot Brooks]

Congratulations, that would have been a hard loss to swallow. Beautiful bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Michael_S]

some people just have good observational skills and spot various clues that 
all together make them good at finding their way... I prefer not to use 
computers or GPS as they become sort of a crutch you rely on.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca. 


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[RBW] Really not too off topic: disk brake question

[PATRICK MOORE]

I say "not too off topic" since the brakes in question are on the
Fargo which is quite Rivendellianishly (gad, how's that for a cobbled
together adverb? Rivishly?) set up and, moreover, the disks are really
the only brakes that will allow quick wheel changes between 27 mm rims
and 44 mm rims.

Anyway: The front Avid BB7 rotor has been bent and rebent and is now
rather wavy and just barely nicks the pads as it goes by -- so
slightly that feathering the brake will stop it for a half mile or so;
but it comes back. I don't want to back off the pads any further. Does
anyone have any instructions or can anyone point me to instructions on
the web for getting a slightly wavy disk (160 mm) back into plane?

The exactly similar disk on the Kojak wheelset is centered fine, as
are both rears.

The "shish-shish-shish" sound was rather annoying just now on my afternoon ride.

Thanks.

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Flannery O'Connor

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Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm very glad you got it back -- very nice bike.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM, NME  wrote:
> And, excellent bike karma: they just found it!
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Re: [RBW] Really not too off topic: disk brake question

[Peter Morgano]

I had a smiliar problem on a Giant Traverse (I know, I know) that used to
be my around town ride. LBS said that if you were good with soft hammer on
a work bench/bench vise you could do it but really to just buy new discs if
you want it to be "perfect."

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:31 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I say "not too off topic" since the brakes in question are on the
> Fargo which is quite Rivendellianishly (gad, how's that for a cobbled
> together adverb? Rivishly?) set up and, moreover, the disks are really
> the only brakes that will allow quick wheel changes between 27 mm rims
> and 44 mm rims.
>
> Anyway: The front Avid BB7 rotor has been bent and rebent and is now
> rather wavy and just barely nicks the pads as it goes by -- so
> slightly that feathering the brake will stop it for a half mile or so;
> but it comes back. I don't want to back off the pads any further. Does
> anyone have any instructions or can anyone point me to instructions on
> the web for getting a slightly wavy disk (160 mm) back into plane?
>
> The exactly similar disk on the Kojak wheelset is centered fine, as
> are both rears.
>
> The "shish-shish-shish" sound was rather annoying just now on my afternoon
> ride.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville."
>
> Flannery O'Connor
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[NME]

Thanks, all! 

I'd just gone out to RBW WHQ this afternoon to get the original receipt to 
prepare for all the claims paperwork that would start tomorrow, and just 
like magic, the minute I left the shop I got the call with good news.

So, two related questions now that I'm coming out of panic mode:

(1) Can anyone recommend their hard case for airline traveling and 
shipping?  I fly quite a bit and eventually will look into a folding bike 
or a coupled bike, but for now I want to upgrade from the barebones 
soft-sided Ground Effect Tardis bag I'd been taking.  I'd originally 
skipped the hard case because they are very heavy and I didn't want to risk 
extra overweight charge, but now I see that the major airlines are 
declaring *no* liability if the bike isn't packed in a hard-sided case. 
 (Bonus points for a smaller case that might fool airlines into thinking 
it's less than 62 linear inches and/or not a bicycle.)

(2) Can anyone recommend reasonably-priced but decent bike insurance?  I 
had some insurance in Germany, where I was until now, but I need to get 
something in the US now.

Thanks again and happy riding,
Nicole

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[RBW] RE: bicycle karma

[Marc Schwartz]

Some good folks, like Nicole, take good care of their bicycle karma.

Others are oblivious;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Nigel-Smythe-Country-Bag-green-tweed-/140821793328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c9a20a30#ht_500wt_922

Get rich quick via Rivendell bits? Sheesh!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of NME [nicolemea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

Thanks, all!

I'd just gone out to RBW WHQ this afternoon to get the original receipt to 
prepare for all the claims paperwork that would start tomorrow, and just like 
magic, the minute I left the shop I got the call with good news.

So, two related questions now that I'm coming out of panic mode:

(1) Can anyone recommend their hard case for airline traveling and shipping?  I 
fly quite a bit and eventually will look into a folding bike or a coupled bike, 
but for now I want to upgrade from the barebones soft-sided Ground Effect 
Tardis bag I'd been taking.  I'd originally skipped the hard case because they 
are very heavy and I didn't want to risk extra overweight charge, but now I see 
that the major airlines are declaring *no* liability if the bike isn't packed 
in a hard-sided case.  (Bonus points for a smaller case that might fool 
airlines into thinking it's less than 62 linear inches and/or not a bicycle.)

(2) Can anyone recommend reasonably-priced but decent bike insurance?  I had 
some insurance in Germany, where I was until now, but I need to get something 
in the US now.

Thanks again and happy riding,
Nicole


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Re: [RBW] RE: bicycle karma

[Peter Morgano]

I saw that, but ebay is full of gougers and scum bags so not really
surprised.
On Aug 9, 2012 7:42 PM, "Marc Schwartz"  wrote:

> Some good folks, like Nicole, take good care of their bicycle karma.
>
> Others are oblivious;
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Nigel-Smythe-Country-Bag-green-tweed-/140821793328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c9a20a30#ht_500wt_922
>
> Get rich quick via Rivendell bits? Sheesh!
> 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]
> on behalf of NME [nicolemea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:15 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.
>
> Thanks, all!
>
> I'd just gone out to RBW WHQ this afternoon to get the original receipt to
> prepare for all the claims paperwork that would start tomorrow, and just
> like magic, the minute I left the shop I got the call with good news.
>
> So, two related questions now that I'm coming out of panic mode:
>
> (1) Can anyone recommend their hard case for airline traveling and
> shipping?  I fly quite a bit and eventually will look into a folding bike
> or a coupled bike, but for now I want to upgrade from the barebones
> soft-sided Ground Effect Tardis bag I'd been taking.  I'd originally
> skipped the hard case because they are very heavy and I didn't want to risk
> extra overweight charge, but now I see that the major airlines are
> declaring *no* liability if the bike isn't packed in a hard-sided case.
>  (Bonus points for a smaller case that might fool airlines into thinking
> it's less than 62 linear inches and/or not a bicycle.)
>
> (2) Can anyone recommend reasonably-priced but decent bike insurance?  I
> had some insurance in Germany, where I was until now, but I need to get
> something in the US now.
>
> Thanks again and happy riding,
> Nicole
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: missing 55cm AHH, harvest gold.

[pb]

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 4:15:43 PM UTC-7, NME wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend their hard case for airline traveling and shipping?  
>
 
I'm going to ramble a bit on this subject, as it is important to me -- I 
hope you won't mind.  This subject is a bit of a can of worms.  I have 
flown a coupled bike many times, and I own two of them.  I use the S&S case 
which is expensive and which works well, although the first time you pack 
it, it will be a Japanese puzzle.  I pack very slowly when I'm getting 
ready to leave on the trip, and it takes me about an hour; but I can pack 
in half an hour if pushed.  Assembly takes about half an hour.  Pack the 
night before, not the morning of.
 
On a related subject, I rather regret having an expensive custom bike 
coupled.  I wish I had simply stuck with my inexpensive production coupled 
bike, a Gunnar.  US Air/Air France lost my Gunnar for two weeks, and I 
assumed I would never see it again.  It was eventually recovered, but I am 
now very reluctant to put a custom which I consider special and valuable on 
a plane.  My new attitude is, don't load anything onto a commercial 
aircraft which you are not willing to lose.
 
But now returning to the subject of the case.  Cases that are worth owning 
are expensive.  I think you should figure out exactly which direction you 
are going with the travel bike before you invest money in a temporary 
solution.  Another strategy -- some bike travellers (one internet presence 
with a very high opinion of his own opinion comes to mind) have argued that 
couplers are dumb, special cases are dumb, and the best way to go is to use 
a bike shop box.  That strategy has become impracticably expensive on most 
or all carriers, and I think that the coupled solution is the best solution 
available at this time.
 
One time I loaded too many additional items, including tools, into my S&S 
case, I didn't check my weight, and I was over 50#.  The surcharge was 
going to be $200-something.  I repacked in the airport, something which is 
to be avoided.  
 
The Ritchey case is oversized.  I have flown it, and I wasn't charged, but 
I doubt I would get away with it again.  
 
So, to come back to my earlier comment -- I think you need to make a 
decision about your bike strategy before you make a decision about your box 
strategy.  I just found this link, and they are doing things a bit 
differently:
 
http://ravellobikes.com/travel%20bikes.htm
 
Compact architecture makes sense to me for a travel bike -- it will make a 
frame easier to pack, and will leave more room for other stuff.  650B as 
well, especially if you require a large-cross-section tire.
 
Sorry for the rambling.  
 
 
 
 
 

> I fly quite a bit and eventually will look into a folding bike or a 
> coupled bike, but for now I want to upgrade from the barebones soft-sided 
> Ground Effect Tardis bag I'd been taking.  I'd originally skipped the hard 
> case because they are very heavy and I didn't want to risk extra overweight 
> charge, but now I see that the major airlines are declaring *no* liability 
> if the bike isn't packed in a hard-sided case.  (Bonus points for a smaller 
> case that might fool airlines into thinking it's less than 62 linear inches 
> and/or not a bicycle.)
>
> (2) Can anyone recommend reasonably-priced but decent bike insurance?  I 
> had some insurance in Germany, where I was until now, but I need to get 
> something in the US now.
>
> Thanks again and happy riding,
> Nicole
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Really not too off topic: disk brake question

[Jim Mather]

Park actually makes a rotor truing tool:
http://www.parktool.com/product/rotor-truing-fork-dt-2

And a Youtube how to:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHdQkm14JVw

jim m
wc ca

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> I had a smiliar problem on a Giant Traverse (I know, I know) that used to be
> my around town ride. LBS said that if you were good with soft hammer on a
> work bench/bench vise you could do it but really to just buy new discs if
> you want it to be "perfect."
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:31 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>
>> I say "not too off topic" since the brakes in question are on the
>> Fargo which is quite Rivendellianishly (gad, how's that for a cobbled
>> together adverb? Rivishly?) set up and, moreover, the disks are really
>> the only brakes that will allow quick wheel changes between 27 mm rims
>> and 44 mm rims.
>>
>> Anyway: The front Avid BB7 rotor has been bent and rebent and is now
>> rather wavy and just barely nicks the pads as it goes by -- so
>> slightly that feathering the brake will stop it for a half mile or so;
>> but it comes back. I don't want to back off the pads any further. Does
>> anyone have any instructions or can anyone point me to instructions on
>> the web for getting a slightly wavy disk (160 mm) back into plane?
>>
>> The exactly similar disk on the Kojak wheelset is centered fine, as
>> are both rears.
>>
>> The "shish-shish-shish" sound was rather annoying just now on my afternoon
>> ride.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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>>
>> Flannery O'Connor
>>
>> -
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>> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW
>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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[RBW] Re: fs: Platrack + Slickersack (olive)

[Eric]

Both are SOLD...thanks very much!! 

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:57:37 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>
> Platrack price drop. $100 shipped in CONUS. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:45:45 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Slickersack is SOLD. 
>>
>> Platrack remains. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 8:33 pm, Eric  wrote: 
>> > For sale... (1) Nitto Platrack for sale. Struts are uncut & mounting 
>> > hardwear is included. 
>> > 
>> > (2) Slickersack in Olive. New, never used. 
>> > 
>> > I purchased both when they were clearing them out. I never used the bag 
>> but 
>> > the rack I mounted. 
>> > 
>> > Each are $115 shipped from Chicago,IL 
>> > 
>> > *http://tinyurl.com/9kn5tha 
>> > **http://tinyurl.com/8dnhfzj* 
>>
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[RBW] A23 vs. Synergy

[Brian Hanson]

Has anyone had a chance to build a wheel with the Velocity A23 rims vs. a
Synergy rim?  I'm planning a front wheel SON wheel, and have been using
Synergy rims to this point.  This will be for my Hilsen and will generally
be pulling rando/road duty with Cypres or Jack Brown Greens.

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: High Rock Explorer (s36o)

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

You people with days off in the middle of the week disgust me. --Andy


On Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:32:50 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> Day before yesterday, my friend Ed and I went out to the Mt Hood NF for an 
> overnight camping trip. We ended up exploring an incredible FS road to 
> access High Rock. We rode out of Portland via the Springwater Corridor and 
> then took Hwy 224 out to Estacada. Just before the entrance to the Mt Hood 
> National Forest, along the Clackamas River we hooked a left up FS Rd 4610. 
> The road began with a big steep paved climb. As the road mellowed out it 
> changed to dirt. Once we made about 7 miles up the road we saw no more cars 
> or people. The road was great but challenging in parts due to it kicking up 
> in spots and being hard to get traction. It was also hot. We ended up 
> staying at an abandoned campground that was in quite a state of disrepair 
> but as good a place as any to camp. The mosquitos went to town on me and I 
> was bummed about not bringing a tent. The next morning we were up early and 
> still headed to High Rock. It was slow going due to our leisurely pace, the 
> terrain and the fantastic views we got from the road looking south to Mt 
> Jefferson and the Willamette NF. We finally go to the base of High Rock 
> where we enjoyed a great view of Mt Hood. We started to head off East with 
> a plan of doing a big loop around Timothy Lake and returning down to the 
> Clackamas River. We ended up cutting our route short and took a gravel road 
> down to Timothy Lake and then returning to the Clackamas River via Anvil 
> Creek, Rd 58 then Rd 57. From there we pedaled back to Portland with 
> another stop at the taco truck in Estacada. It was really a great ride but 
> far too short. I would have loved to have stayed out for an extra day. 
>
> I realize the road names and numbers might not mean anything to folks but 
> I put them in there for people that are in the area or might come through 
> here. This route encompassed some of the best roads for cycling in the Mt 
> Hood NF and I encourage folks to check them out. They're great for day 
> rides or bike camping.
>
> Neither of us were riding Riv bikes but there was plenty of cloth tape, 
> MUSA clothing and other Riv components and accessories on board to qualify 
> for posting here.
>
> Pictures proved it happended, right? Here you go:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630981119440/with/7744528390/
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Leslie]

150?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

[robert zeidler]

I was offered one but did not take it.  It didn't make sense to me.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did any tall folks order one of these?  Would love to see if a 65cm+ version
> would have the same stretched-out look.
>
> --Andy
>
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>> Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

[Joe Bernard]

10 people (originally 9) signed on for the project. How were you offered 
one, and refused? 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
 
On Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:33:34 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:

> I was offered one but did not take it.  It didn't make sense to me. 
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> <54c...@gmail.com> 
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> > Did any tall folks order one of these?  Would love to see if a 65cm+ 
> version 
> > would have the same stretched-out look. 
> > 
> > --Andy 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:11:53 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

[Bill Gibson]

My eyes go straight to the fork, especially the thin-ness of the blades and
the bend. Looks great, and I wonder about the geometry. It's everything I
don't see in my LBSs, even those with a display from Brooks of England.

Then there is the rest: lovely and a mighty bike. Eagerly awaiting reports
from the field(s).

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> 10 people (originally 9) signed on for the project. How were you offered
> one, and refused?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:33:34 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
>> I was offered one but did not take it.  It didn't make sense to me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] I really like my Rivendell bicycle and riding it makes me happy

[jimD]

35 miles and 3k feet of climbing?
Now that IS inconvenient.
It really isn't a commute it is more like an expedition.
Way to go!
JimD
On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:38 PM, William wrote:

> I have done the round trip a few times.  I live one mile from a BART station 
> on either end, also, so usually I'm just doing the bike and BART commute.  
> I'm lucky enough to work at the same company as my wife.  We carpool in 
> together in the morning with a bike on the roof.  She leaves early and I work 
> the full day.  I bike and BART home.  Every Friday (she doesn't work Fridays) 
> I do the long ride in.  In a good week, I'll do it Friday and another day.  
> 
> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:33:26 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:
> OK...  I'm impressed.  Do you round-trip it?
>  
> My commute is 35 miles with about 3000 feet of climibiong, and I have 
> difficulty motivating myself to do it on any kind of a regular basis.  Damn.  
> I have to get on it again.
>  
> Peter
>  
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:19:38 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
> It's a hilly 40-mile commute from my home in El Cerrito to my offic in South 
> Hayward.  I deliberately take the long way through the hills 
> (Grizzly-Skyline-Redwood Road) to get more exercise, avoid more cars and 
> enjoy the scenery.  It was a stunningly beautiful morning.  My A. Homer 
> Hilsen rode spectacularly well.  I'm always in a far better mood in the 
> office when I've ridden in.  I feel truly blessed to be the owner of such a 
> fine bicycle and to have my health and fitness that allows me to enjoy it.  I 
> hope some day to work less so I can ride more.  Riding my bicycle makes me 
> feel good.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Mike]

It should say "just tell me to shut up."

We did it! 150! Group hug!

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:44:13 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
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> And Steve, if we're ever riding together on a brevet and i ask you how 
> many miles until the next turn or control, just telle to shut up.
>
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[RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[ted]

Jan,

Thank you very much. I found that quite helpful.


On Aug 9, 6:12 am, Jan Heine  wrote:
> On Aug 8, 8:45 pm, ted  wrote:
>
> > And I expect you are right. Sadly at least one of us (me) somehow
> > managed to remain ignorant of of some of it up to now.
> > I had hoped for a more cogent explication of the rational and evidence
> > for at least one of the positions. I now fear I will have to either
> > buy back issues of BQ or remain uninformed.
>
> Ted,
>
> The word "planing" came from Matthew Grimm at Kogswell. I was
> describing the phenomenon, and compared it to a boat rising out of the
> water and using less energy at higher speed than at lower speed.
> Similarly, when you get in sync with the bike, it becomes easier to
> pedal. You don't use less energy, but the energy becomes easier to
> generate. Matthew said: "You mean, the bike planes?"
>
> We had been looking for terms to describe it. A "lively" frame sounded
> like squirrely handling to me. The French use the term "nervous" - as
> in a race horse that is eager to run. I don't think that term works
> well in English. As others pointed out, the concept had been proposed
> many times (GP in the Bridgestone catalogue, but even in Bicycling
> magazine), but without a name, it never got much traction. We also did
> not want a name that implied a process, because we did not know at the
> time how it worked.
>
> In the end, the name doesn't matter. We can argue all day whether a
> mountain bike should be name an "off-road bike" - you don't need
> mountains to ride it, and an mtb isn't even ideal for paved mountain
> roads. But the name stuck, and today, everybody knows what a "mountain
> bike" is. Arguing over semantics doesn't get us anywhere.
>
> Regarding the data and such, the experiments cost more than $ 5000
> (building four identical frames with different tubing, three sets of
> identical components, etc.). It was financed by our subscribers. You
> will understand that it's not available free of charge online.
> Compared to scientific journals, Bicycle Quarterly is very affordable.
> If you don't have $ 8.50 for a back issues, you also could read it in
> your local library. (If they don't have the magazine, then you can
> request that they do.)
>
> Here is how we think "planing" works: An overly stiff frame limits the
> pedaling force on the down stroke by making your legs hurt with lactic
> acid buildup. A flexible frame accepts the extra pedaling input,
> stores it, and releases it during the dead spots. Obviously, what is
> "too stiff" will depend on the rider's power output, pedaling style
> and other factors. What we do know and have shown is that frame
> stiffness does make a difference in performance in a double-blind
> test.
>
> You can read an overview over our tests here:
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/a-journey-of-discovery-part-...
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly

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[RBW] Re: A23 vs. Synergy

[Benz]

Hi Brian,

I've built up a set and a half of A23s and a couple of sets of Synergies. 
Both rim types are pretty straightforward to build and required similar 
amounts of attention to achieve the radial/lateral trueness. I build more 
for spoke tension evenness than rad/lat trueness and neither rims gave me 
problems other than the typical slight hop at the joint.

I prefer the Synergies because the available OC version reduces left/right 
spoke tension discrepancy thereby resulting in stronger rear wheels. 
Truthfully, I only ever had a rear wheel fail once in my entire cycling 
lifetime (>30 years), so this may be a technical advantage and not a 
practical one. The Synergies were also a tad easier to build due to the 
reduced turning friction from having eyelets (even if the spoke/nipple and 
nipple/spoke-bed interfaces were oiled). Finally, and this is very 
important for me, tires are significantly easier to mount on the Synergies 
than on the A23s, often not requiring any tire levers at all for the 
Synergies (e.g., for both the GB Cypres and JB Greens, with Veloplugs).



On Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Has anyone had a chance to build a wheel with the Velocity A23 rims vs. a 
> Synergy rim?  I'm planning a front wheel SON wheel, and have been using 
> Synergy rims to this point.  This will be for my Hilsen and will generally 
> be pulling rando/road duty with Cypres or Jack Brown Greens.  
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Dia Comp Downtube Ratchet Shifters

[Big Paulie]

Thanks William, makes sense... :)

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[RBW] Buttons

[Brian Hanson]

I just realized I have the start of a small, interesting collection of
Rivendell buttons.  http://flic.kr/p/cNU6MQ  

Has anyone kept track of this stuff from the start?  I'm guessing there are
a few of you out there that have amassed a more sizable quantity of booty
from HQ visits?

Brian
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: A23 vs. Synergy

[Brian Hanson]

Thanks, Ben!  That's exactly what I was looking for.  I do love the ease of
mounting tires on the Synergies.  I'll stick with what works.

Brian

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Benz  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> I've built up a set and a half of A23s and a couple of sets of Synergies.
> Both rim types are pretty straightforward to build and required similar
> amounts of attention to achieve the radial/lateral trueness. I build more
> for spoke tension evenness than rad/lat trueness and neither rims gave me
> problems other than the typical slight hop at the joint.
>
> I prefer the Synergies because the available OC version reduces left/right
> spoke tension discrepancy thereby resulting in stronger rear wheels.
> Truthfully, I only ever had a rear wheel fail once in my entire cycling
> lifetime (>30 years), so this may be a technical advantage and not a
> practical one. The Synergies were also a tad easier to build due to the
> reduced turning friction from having eyelets (even if the spoke/nipple and
> nipple/spoke-bed interfaces were oiled). Finally, and this is very
> important for me, tires are significantly easier to mount on the Synergies
> than on the A23s, often not requiring any tire levers at all for the
> Synergies (e.g., for both the GB Cypres and JB Greens, with Veloplugs).
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone had a chance to build a wheel with the Velocity A23 rims vs. a
>> Synergy rim?  I'm planning a front wheel SON wheel, and have been using
>> Synergy rims to this point.  This will be for my Hilsen and will generally
>> be pulling rando/road duty with Cypres or Jack Brown Greens.
>>
>> Brian
>> Seattle, WA
>>
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[RBW] Done.

[Manuel Acosta]

Hardest part about my trip is having to go through 2 weeks of photos to 
edit. 
Photos will be up. I'll post them with some stories. Maybe on a blog or 
something.
By far the experience of a lifetime. Looking forward to reflecting.

One photo to proved that I finished:
http://flic.kr/p/cNWRXG

Manny "My brothers take better pictures then me" Acosta

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