[RBW] Re: Further anxious worrying about very small rings and cogs: 36/24 X bastard 11 or 12-32 or 36

[Michael Hechmer]

Are you trying to ride up the walls of your house?  What exactly do you 
need a 24/36, and how fast do you have to spin that gear to keep the bike 
upright?  

Michael

On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:08:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 1. The stock mini 2-bys seem to have 42 outers. Do any of y'all use 36 
> outers?
>
> 2. If so, (a) Do people laugh at you? (b) Do you notice any additional 
> friction?
>
> I think I've scored steel 36 and 24, so wear ought not to be an issue, 
> right?
>
> -- 
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW
> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Further anxious worrying about very small rings and cogs: 36/24 X bastard 11 or 12-32 or 36

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 04:11 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> Are you trying to ride up the walls of your house?  What exactly do
> you need a 24/36, and how fast do you have to spin that gear to keep
> the bike upright? 

My Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road Tour came with a 22x32 granny: 18.6".  The
24x36 with the identical tire gives an 18" gear.  A tiny bit lower, but
not dramatically so.  I found that 18.6" gear a real treat carrying 40lb
worth of gear in full front and rear panniers up 2-3 mile long 12-14%
grade hills on tour in the Shenandoah Valley.  And I didn't have any
trouble keeping the bike upright at all.  



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[RBW] Re: Shin Shield Synchronicity

[John Bennett]

Take two Tums and call us in the morning.

Dr. John @ RBW

On Apr 6, 10:40 pm, Mojo  wrote:
> I am watching Rivendell sail away from my shore. My heart is filled with
> sadness; or maybe it's gas. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:59:45 PM UTC-6, David G wrote:
>
> > Got an email from RBW with a photo and description of the new Shin Shields:
> > "These are nada mas que waterproofed shin-covers that are ideally used
> > with SPLATS and a PONCHO, since the poncho protects all but your shoes and
> > shins. Now it’s complete, and they’re orange, with Velcro and reflectors.
> > They work great. They can’t not."
>
> > Grant & Shoichi Watanabe are thinking along the same lines:
>
> >http://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/images/120406_...
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/guuwatanabe/7044686879/in/photostream
>
> > I love Mr. Watanabe's captions:
> > "against trouser's bottom edge flappin',muddy."
> > "shoes transfoam into boots :D"
> > "byebye sodden trousers"
>
> > - David G, Madison WI

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[EricP]

Really don't know a whole lot of cajun myself (yet), but would recommend 
the Rounder Records cajun anthology on iTunes, along with stuff by the 
Balfa Brothers and Balfa Toujours.  The Balfa Brothers are pretty close to 
the "standard", if there is such a thing in cajun music.  If you hunt 
around online, there may be some free stuff out there to download, although 
I haven't looked.
 
(Boring aside - a couple of the fiddlers I play with are into cajun music 
so I am trying to learn proper guitar backup.)
 
Only stretch I could figure for Riv connection is Bob Dylan has written and 
played a few cajun type tunes and Grant likes Dylan.
 
Have fun learning about the music!
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is Michael Doucet and band representative? For a starter collection
> from iTunes, who to choose? 
>
> I love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCejZOGNSo 
>
> Patrick Moore, anglo/irish/filipino and now cajun. 
>
> Reply offllist, please 
>
> -- 
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW
> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[George Schick]

I second what Eric says.  A good place to start would be with Dewey
Balfa.  If you want to see glimpses of him playing live rent yourself
a copy of a rather poor move named "Southern Comfort."  It has a
stupid plot and is more or less worthless, IMO, but near the end they
show Balfa playing with his band, while he was still with us.

On Apr 7, 7:45 am, EricP  wrote:
> Really don't know a whole lot of cajun myself (yet), but would recommend
> the Rounder Records cajun anthology on iTunes, along with stuff by the
> Balfa Brothers and Balfa Toujours.  The Balfa Brothers are pretty close to
> the "standard", if there is such a thing in cajun music.  If you hunt
> around online, there may be some free stuff out there to download, although
> I haven't looked.
>
> (Boring aside - a couple of the fiddlers I play with are into cajun music
> so I am trying to learn proper guitar backup.)
>
> Only stretch I could figure for Riv connection is Bob Dylan has written and
> played a few cajun type tunes and Grant likes Dylan.
>
> Have fun learning about the music!
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > Is Michael Doucet and band representative? For a starter collection
> > from iTunes, who to choose?
>
> > I love this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCejZOGNSo
>
> > Patrick Moore, anglo/irish/filipino and now cajun.
>
> > Reply offllist, please
>
> > --
> > Patrick Moore
> > Albuquerque, NM
> > For professional resumes, contact
> > Patrick Moore, ACRW
> >http://resumespecialties.com/index.html

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[RBW] Re: A new tent for bicycle camping?

[Beth H]

On my last bike campout, I used a very small child's tent --
originally from Walmart but I got mine for four dollars at a yard
sale.
Four poles, built-in vinyl floor and tiny permanent "ranfly" up top.
The whole thing screams "cheap"; I had to seam-seal everything myself.
But you know what? When rolled up and stuffed in its sack it takes up
remarkably little space; and at no-longer-exactly-5' 7" I fit inside
fully stretched out diagonally, with my stuff on either side of me in
the corners. It's the perfect little tent for solo bike-camping.
Beth in PDX

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[RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[b hamon]

Fellow Riv-freaks: 
As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become evident. 
Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two the most:
1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and2. My 
1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several years ago).
The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs, not 
to mention groceries.The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the 
previous owner that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically 
what I've been doing since I set it up for city riding.
I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore. One is the 
singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three years, and since I'm 
fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees can't really handle 
singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the former bike will 
probably go this year. The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had 
since 1999 and which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am 
more emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to 
hear from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When 
did you do it and why?
Beth in PDX

http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon

http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[Lyle Bogart]

Hey Patrick,

Try this link:

http://www.folkways.si.edu/searchresults.aspx?sPhrase=Cajun&sType=cat

Whenever I'm looking for something perhaps not quite mainstream (a
Rivendellian tie-in) this is where I first look. Of course, you can sample
each cut here (as you can in many places).

Cheers!

lyle

On 7 April 2012 10:03, George Schick  wrote:

> I second what Eric says.  A good place to start would be with Dewey
> Balfa.  If you want to see glimpses of him playing live rent yourself
> a copy of a rather poor move named "Southern Comfort."  It has a
> stupid plot and is more or less worthless, IMO, but near the end they
> show Balfa playing with his band, while he was still with us.
>
> On Apr 7, 7:45 am, EricP  wrote:
> > Really don't know a whole lot of cajun myself (yet), but would recommend
> > the Rounder Records cajun anthology on iTunes, along with stuff by the
> > Balfa Brothers and Balfa Toujours.  The Balfa Brothers are pretty close
> to
> > the "standard", if there is such a thing in cajun music.  If you hunt
> > around online, there may be some free stuff out there to download,
> although
> > I haven't looked.
> >
> > (Boring aside - a couple of the fiddlers I play with are into cajun music
> > so I am trying to learn proper guitar backup.)
> >
> > Only stretch I could figure for Riv connection is Bob Dylan has written
> and
> > played a few cajun type tunes and Grant likes Dylan.
> >
> > Have fun learning about the music!
> >
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > > Is Michael Doucet and band representative? For a starter collection
> > > from iTunes, who to choose?
> >
> > > I love this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCejZOGNSo
> >
> > > Patrick Moore, anglo/irish/filipino and now cajun.
> >
> > > Reply offllist, please
> >
> > > --
> > > Patrick Moore
> > > Albuquerque, NM
> > > For professional resumes, contact
> > > Patrick Moore, ACRW
> > >http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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[RBW] VO rack, Camper + SQR, Rudys all claimed.

[PATRICK MOORE]

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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[PATRICK MOORE]

Beth: don't precipitously sell the LongLow! You know that I love my 26"
wheel Rivs (put some 35 mm Kojaks on the AR) but even in the last few years
my tastes have changed: not that I dislike smaller wheels, but that I no
longer feel that wheel size, for pavement, makes a big difference compared
to other qualities like fit and overall feel. If I were to have replacement
customs made today, I'd probably go with 700c, as much because there are
more tires available than for any other reason. The biggest handicap for
559 and 571 wheels, IME, is the relative lack of tire choice.

So, if the LL feels like a Riv ought to -- a sort of amalgam of fit,
positioning, handling, "spriteliness," then, if I were you, I'd hold on to
it until I was very sure that I no longer really wanted it.

I have suffered much by precipitously selling bikes and parts that I later
regretted losing.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:

> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>
> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
> the most:
>
> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several
> years ago).
>
> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs,
> not to mention groceries.
> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>
> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
> former bike will probably go this year.
> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
> did you do it and why?
>
> Beth in PDX
>
> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Further anxious worrying about very small rings and cogs: 36/24 X bastard 11 or 12-32 or 36

[PATRICK MOORE]

As Steve said, for loads and long hills and long rides. I rarely climb
in anything under a 35" or so, but if I ever (hah!) do some loaded
touring in northern NM, the consensus is that some low bailouts might
be very welcome. Further, there are some steep, short sand-bogged
hills around here for which a 20" low might be welcome.

The principal reason for a change is that, with a 36/24 X 9, I can do
99/100 of my riding in the outer ring, while with the current 46/36/24
X 7, one must switch between high and low ranges (46/36) for steep
hills and off road.

And I can put that 48 t cut down ring guard on the 46 position so that
it all does not look so wimpy.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Are you trying to ride up the walls of your house?  What exactly do you need
> a 24/36, and how fast do you have to spin that gear to keep the bike
> upright?
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:08:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> 1. The stock mini 2-bys seem to have 42 outers. Do any of y'all use 36
>> outers?
>>
>> 2. If so, (a) Do people laugh at you? (b) Do you notice any additional
>> friction?
>>
>> I think I've scored steel 36 and 24, so wear ought not to be an issue,
>> right?
>>
>> --
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>> Albuquerque, NM
>> For professional resumes, contact
>> Patrick Moore, ACRW
>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[PATRICK MOORE]

FWIW: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/ -- 4/6 post.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:

> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>
> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
> the most:
>
> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several
> years ago).
>
> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs,
> not to mention groceries.
> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>
> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
> former bike will probably go this year.
> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
> did you do it and why?
>
> Beth in PDX
>
> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shin Shield Synchronicity

[PATRICK MOORE]

Wouldn't it make more sense to combine spats and shin covers? Or to
wear rain pants and spats?

[What about a rubber one-piece garment, with hood and feets?]

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:43 AM, John Bennett  wrote:
> Take two Tums and call us in the morning.
>
> Dr. John @ RBW
>
> On Apr 6, 10:40 pm, Mojo  wrote:
>> I am watching Rivendell sail away from my shore. My heart is filled with
>> sadness; or maybe it's gas. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:59:45 PM UTC-6, David G wrote:
>>
>> > Got an email from RBW with a photo and description of the new Shin Shields:
>> > "These are nada mas que waterproofed shin-covers that are ideally used
>> > with SPLATS and a PONCHO, since the poncho protects all but your shoes and
>> > shins. Now it’s complete, and they’re orange, with Velcro and reflectors.
>> > They work great. They can’t not."
>>
>> > Grant & Shoichi Watanabe are thinking along the same lines:
>>
>> >http://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/images/120406_...
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/guuwatanabe/7044686879/in/photostream
>>
>> > I love Mr. Watanabe's captions:
>> > "against trouser's bottom edge flappin',muddy."
>> > "shoes transfoam into boots :D"
>> > "byebye sodden trousers"
>>
>> > - David G, Madison WI
>
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[RBW] Longboard Legolas

[Mojo]

I haven't actually tried the fenders in the rain, but I like them. I have 
used VO metal fenders on other bikes but I wanted tough and cheap fenders 
on this cross bike. Rivendell's installation video on their product page 
was very helpful. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY&feature=player_embedded  Being 
able to cut the fender stays easily is important. I used some bolt cutters, 
but a dremel would also work. Overall it took me 2.5 hours to install 
including creating a chainstay bridge attachment. I may do a second 
Longboard install on my LHT where the VO metal fenders are cracking at the 
rear brake bridge. It should be quite a bit faster.
 
Now how am I going to transport this bike? It won't fit on my car rack with 
the long front fender. Any suggestions?
 
Here are some pictures of the results:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788553/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788581/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Briefly: thanks all; am following up on yer advices. Have already
heard Balfas playing Joli Blon -- very nice!

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Re: [RBW] Longboard Legolas

[PATRICK MOORE]

Re transport: I had this issue with the long front Honjo on the green
Riv. I ended up amputating 6" and replacing this with a very long (8")
(and flexible) flap.



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mojo  wrote:
> I haven't actually tried the fenders in the rain, but I like them. I have
> used VO metal fenders on other bikes but I wanted tough and cheap fenders on
> this cross bike. Rivendell's installation video on their product page was
> very helpful.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY&feature=player_embedded  Being
> able to cut the fender stays easily is important. I used some bolt cutters,
> but a dremel would also work. Overall it took me 2.5 hours to install
> including creating a chainstay bridge attachment. I may do a second
> Longboard install on my LHT where the VO metal fenders are cracking at the
> rear brake bridge. It should be quite a bit faster.
>
> Now how am I going to transport this bike? It won't fit on my car rack with
> the long front fender. Any suggestions?
>
> Here are some pictures of the results:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788553/in/photostream
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788581/in/photostream/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6907698114/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Longboard Legolas

[PATRICK MOORE]

Forgot to add that, having removed the fenders from the Riv because
they don't work well with the minimalist rear rack and fatter, 35 mm
tires, I've found absence of fenders very liberating in many ways,
from not worrying about bashing them against a wall to ease of bike
insertion into the rear of a PT Cruiser.

Reminds me of my first gofast mod on my long-ago Hero roadster:
removing the fenders. Increased speed by over 25%!

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Re transport: I had this issue with the long front Honjo on the green
> Riv. I ended up amputating 6" and replacing this with a very long (8")
> (and flexible) flap.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mojo  wrote:
>> I haven't actually tried the fenders in the rain, but I like them. I have
>> used VO metal fenders on other bikes but I wanted tough and cheap fenders on
>> this cross bike. Rivendell's installation video on their product page was
>> very helpful.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY&feature=player_embedded  Being
>> able to cut the fender stays easily is important. I used some bolt cutters,
>> but a dremel would also work. Overall it took me 2.5 hours to install
>> including creating a chainstay bridge attachment. I may do a second
>> Longboard install on my LHT where the VO metal fenders are cracking at the
>> rear brake bridge. It should be quite a bit faster.
>>
>> Now how am I going to transport this bike? It won't fit on my car rack with
>> the long front fender. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Here are some pictures of the results:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788553/in/photostream
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788581/in/photostream/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6907698114/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[cyclotourist]

Gosh Beth, that's the cyclist's dilemma... nostalgia vs. needs. I've let go
of two bikes I wish I didn't (Bleriot, Quickbeam) and have two bikes that
don't quite meet my needs but I'm loath to replace (Riv customs). I can't
give you advice about wheel size, but it sounds like you already know what
you need/want. FWIW, you could build up a "go-fast" 26" wheelset (Compass'
new 26" tires look
awesome!)
and keep those for spirited riding events. Sort of the best of both worlds
that way. Of course if you have the space and don't need the liquidity, you
can always keep 'em all.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Beth: don't precipitously sell the LongLow! You know that I love my 26"
> wheel Rivs (put some 35 mm Kojaks on the AR) but even in the last few years
> my tastes have changed: not that I dislike smaller wheels, but that I no
> longer feel that wheel size, for pavement, makes a big difference compared
> to other qualities like fit and overall feel. If I were to have replacement
> customs made today, I'd probably go with 700c, as much because there are
> more tires available than for any other reason. The biggest handicap for
> 559 and 571 wheels, IME, is the relative lack of tire choice.
>
> So, if the LL feels like a Riv ought to -- a sort of amalgam of fit,
> positioning, handling, "spriteliness," then, if I were you, I'd hold on to
> it until I was very sure that I no longer really wanted it.
>
> I have suffered much by precipitously selling bikes and parts that I later
> regretted losing.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:
>
>> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>>
>> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
>> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
>> the most:
>>
>> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
>> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several
>> years ago).
>>
>> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs,
>> not to mention groceries.
>> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
>> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
>> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>>
>> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
>> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
>> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
>> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
>> former bike will probably go this year.
>> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
>> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
>> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
>> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
>> did you do it and why?
>>
>> Beth in PDX
>>
>> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
>> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[EricP]

Oops.  My post to Patrick was supposed to be off-list.  But that didn't 
happen with the new setup for Groups.  My fault.
 
Sorry about that folks.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:24:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Briefly: thanks all; am following up on yer advices. Have already
> heard Balfas playing Joli Blon -- very nice! 
>
> Back offlist with this!
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[charlie]

I have a garage full of bikes I haven't ridden in years now... :
(  These days my Surly Trucker gets the most use because of the gnarly
700x47 Schwalbes and my generator lighting system. Been thinking of
getting a "Hunk" or an Atlantis and moving the parts over as my last
good bicycle to ride into the sunset with..the 26" vs. 700c thing
has crossed my mind as the wife rides a 26" (now converted to a cargo
bike) but truthfully, I'm the bike nut in the house and she would/
could ride anything. There is something to be said for having the same
size spare tires, wheels, general parts etc. if you ride all year and
shun autos. I plan to stock up on an extra wheel set, chains, tires,
tubes and other misc. parts that get used up. What I'm really looking
into is a source for either buying or making my own chain lube/cleaner
by the gallon (and cheap) plus learning to build my own wheels. When
you really put on the miles maintenance has to be fairly routine and
thorough or else you end up buying a whole new set of parts. My head
has been in the same place it seems trying to consolidate my rides
into what I really need and will actually use. The same goes for other
aspects in my life so yea downsizing can be a liberating thing but
I think its okay to keep a "show bike" that you only use on super nice
sunny days..on the flip side, for me, I've noticed as I get older
that I'm wanting less stuff in general and look forward to more life
experiencestoo many things to take care of seem to get in the way
of that.

On Apr 7, 8:33 am, b hamon  wrote:
> Fellow Riv-freaks:
> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become 
> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two 
> the most:
> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and2. My 
> 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several years 
> ago).
> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs, not 
> to mention groceries.The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised 
> the previous owner that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is 
> basically what I've been doing since I set it up for city riding.
> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore. One is the 
> singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three years, and since 
> I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees can't really handle 
> singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the former bike will 
> probably go this year. The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had 
> since 1999 and which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am 
> more emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to 
> hear from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When 
> did you do it and why?
> Beth in PDX
>
> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
>
> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: A new tent for bicycle camping?

[charlie]

Right on, sometimes less actually is moreand four bucks,
awesome!

On Apr 7, 8:25 am, Beth H  wrote:
> On my last bike campout, I used a very small child's tent --
> originally from Walmart but I got mine for four dollars at a yard
> sale.
> Four poles, built-in vinyl floor and tiny permanent "ranfly" up top.
> The whole thing screams "cheap"; I had to seam-seal everything myself.
> But you know what? When rolled up and stuffed in its sack it takes up
> remarkably little space; and at no-longer-exactly-5' 7" I fit inside
> fully stretched out diagonally, with my stuff on either side of me in
> the corners. It's the perfect little tent for solo bike-camping.
> Beth in PDX

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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[John Blish]

Hi Beth,

Your note resonates with me.  I am also recently more in touch with what I
like to ride and what style works best for me now.

I sold 4 bikes last summer, all 700, 3 of them Rivs.  My wife asked me to
reduce the fleet and those were the bikes that I believed would bring the
most return and some of them were similar to each other and to bikes that I
still have so I didn't lose anything unique - except my QuickBeam.  It has
gone to a good home nearby where it is fully appreciated.  I can visit if I
want.  I have made my peace with that but I missed it immediately and
started riding my 26" single speed RedLine MonoCog, which had sat mostly
idle for a few years.

https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5708720188748611345/5728705989593648738

I put on new bars, pedals, Dos Eno cog, Schwalbe Fat Franks 26 x 2.35 and
re-cabled and it seemed like a new bike.  The fat 26"s are a treat.
Obviously not a QuickBeam but a good single speed ride.

I liked the result of that revival so much I redid my 26" 1991 Bridgestone
MB-1 with Schwalbe 26 x 2.15 Big Apples, new bars, new saddle, new pedals,
V-brakes, new cables and new wheels with a switch from freewheel to
cassette, still 7 speed triple.

https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5724265447661313041/5724604809168276370

The Bridgestone cleaned up better than I thought it would and it seemed
like another new bike.  Wow.  I had two (new) bikes in my garage waiting to
be (re)discovered.  Cool.

I knew these were good bikes but it was only by letting some other bikes go
that I appreciated these 26" bikes more.  These bikes may be more my
present style than a Rivendell.  I mean no offense to anyone by that
statement and I personally consider the MB-1 to be the Father of Rivendell
and therefore a sacred device.  The statement is not about Rivendells,
which are the finest bikes available, but about me and what I like now.  It
was a little tough to take the MB-1 so far from its stock parts but I am
happy I did it.

In making these changes I realize what you implied - a person's bicycling
style, needs and preferences are not fixed.  They are changing as time goes
on and when the opportunity presents itself, and if the funds are
available, certain changes, even to less expensive and less refined bikes,
can be rewarding.  I am in complete agreement with you and also with
Charlie.

John


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:

> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>
> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
> the most:
>
> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several
> years ago).
>
> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs,
> not to mention groceries.
> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>
> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
> former bike will probably go this year.
> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
> did you do it and why?
>
> Beth in PDX
>
> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[Bruce Herbitter]

Beth & John:

I sold my last 700c size bike in 2007, to raise $ for a 26" wheel size
Rambouillet. My other bikes are now all 650B, which is a "26" size, but
rides somewhere between 26 and 700.  I rode the Ram today with its heavy
duty 26" wheelset (some CX Rich built wheels) and 37 mm tires at 60 psi.
Very comfy on coarse roads and quick enough on smooth. I still have the
original Ram wheelset, which is lighter, but sees less ride time.

I find that at 5' - 6" and a 29 1/2" inseam, I get better bike geometry in
a larger frame size, and the smaller wheels let me ride it. I am very happy
in the 26" world, and the fatter the tire, the better.

Bruce

(PS Beth, didn't know you played guitar. Youtube videos?)

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Blish  wrote:

> Hi Beth,
>
> Your note resonates with me.  I am also recently more in touch with what I
> like to ride and what style works best for me now.
>
> I sold 4 bikes last summer, all 700, 3 of them Rivs. ...  The fat 26"s are
> a treat
>
> I liked the result of that revival so much I redid my 26" 1991 Bridgestone
> MB-1 with Schwalbe 26 x 2.15 Big Apples, new bars, new saddle, new pedals,
> V-brakes, new cables and new wheels with a switch from freewheel to
> cassette, still 7 speed triple.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:
>
>>
>>  I'd like to hear from other folks who have become fans of an
>> all-26"-wheeled stable. When did you do it and why?
>>
>> Beth in PDX
>> 
>>
>
>

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[RBW] What's in YOUR shorts?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I mentioned last week that a new Brooks B17 finally gave that "ahh, it's
broken in" feeling after about 300 miles. As it happens, last week was also
my 1st century ride in un-padded shorts. The ride was so comfortable, I got
out a scapel from the college dissecting kit and cut the threads to remove
pads from two pr of Ibex Duo shorts. Rode 50 miles today with one of them
them on (this was on a Selle Anatomica) and can report that they are very
comfortable sans pad on a leather seat. If you haven't tried it, test the
ride out on a 20 mile spin. No chamois means no need for chamois cream
either.

Happy riding!

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[RBW] iPad apps for bicycling?

[Philip Williamson]

I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with 
it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what 
I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I 
don't care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to 
think about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use 
offline with GPS is something I could use today.

Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the 
iPad? If I made some, is there any interest? 

I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work, 
but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express) 
and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone 
(Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about? 

Just curious and excited, 
 Philip

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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[John Blish]

Sorry.  I have now unlocked the photo of the MB-1 and made it available.

And thanks, Bruce.  We are in agreement.

-jb

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Blish  wrote:

> Hi Beth,
>
> Your note resonates with me.  I am also recently more in touch with what I
> like to ride and what style works best for me now.
>
> I sold 4 bikes last summer, all 700, 3 of them Rivs.  My wife asked me to
> reduce the fleet and those were the bikes that I believed would bring the
> most return and some of them were similar to each other and to bikes that I
> still have so I didn't lose anything unique - except my QuickBeam.  It has
> gone to a good home nearby where it is fully appreciated.  I can visit if I
> want.  I have made my peace with that but I missed it immediately and
> started riding my 26" single speed RedLine MonoCog, which had sat mostly
> idle for a few years.
>
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5708720188748611345/5728705989593648738
>
> I put on new bars, pedals, Dos Eno cog, Schwalbe Fat Franks 26 x 2.35 and
> re-cabled and it seemed like a new bike.  The fat 26"s are a treat.
> Obviously not a QuickBeam but a good single speed ride.
>
> I liked the result of that revival so much I redid my 26" 1991 Bridgestone
> MB-1 with Schwalbe 26 x 2.15 Big Apples, new bars, new saddle, new pedals,
> V-brakes, new cables and new wheels with a switch from freewheel to
> cassette, still 7 speed triple.
>
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5724265447661313041/5724604809168276370
>
> The Bridgestone cleaned up better than I thought it would and it seemed
> like another new bike.  Wow.  I had two (new) bikes in my garage waiting to
> be (re)discovered.  Cool.
>
> I knew these were good bikes but it was only by letting some other bikes
> go that I appreciated these 26" bikes more.  These bikes may be more my
> present style than a Rivendell.  I mean no offense to anyone by that
> statement and I personally consider the MB-1 to be the Father of Rivendell
> and therefore a sacred device.  The statement is not about Rivendells,
> which are the finest bikes available, but about me and what I like now.  It
> was a little tough to take the MB-1 so far from its stock parts but I am
> happy I did it.
>
> In making these changes I realize what you implied - a person's bicycling
> style, needs and preferences are not fixed.  They are changing as time goes
> on and when the opportunity presents itself, and if the funds are
> available, certain changes, even to less expensive and less refined bikes,
> can be rewarding.  I am in complete agreement with you and also with
> Charlie.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:
>
>> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>>
>> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
>> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
>> the most:
>>
>> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
>> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several
>> years ago).
>>
>> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs,
>> not to mention groceries.
>> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
>> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
>> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>>
>> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
>> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
>> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
>> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
>> former bike will probably go this year.
>> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
>> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
>> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
>> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
>> did you do it and why?
>>
>> Beth in PDX
>>
>> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
>> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
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[RBW] Re: What's in YOUR shorts?

[Philip Williamson]

I've only ever just worn 'street' underwear, or unpadded lycra shorts under 
cargo shorts, even when 30-50 mile rides were a regular part of my 
schedule. I have a Brooks, but it works on my leather-covered plastic 
saddles as well. I did buy a pair of Andiamos from Rivendell, and tried 
them a couple times. They were a no-go. They're in a weird limbo - too 
uncomfortable to wear, too new to throw away, and too embarrassing to sell. 
Do I really want to be the guy that sells used underwear on the internet? 

Anyway - 100% cotton 'boxer briefs' from the usual mass-market suspects.

 Philip

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www.biketinker.com



On Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:03:41 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I mentioned last week that a new Brooks B17 finally gave that "ahh, it's 
> broken in" feeling after about 300 miles. As it happens, last week was also 
> my 1st century ride in un-padded shorts. The ride was so comfortable, I got 
> out a scapel from the college dissecting kit and cut the threads to remove 
> pads from two pr of Ibex Duo shorts. Rode 50 miles today with one of them 
> them on (this was on a Selle Anatomica) and can report that they are very 
> comfortable sans pad on a leather seat. If you haven't tried it, test the 
> ride out on a 20 mile spin. No chamois means no need for chamois cream 
> either.
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Bruce
>

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[RBW] Re: iPad apps for bicycling?

[Rambouilleting Utahn]

I'm a big fan of Cyclemeter, use it for riding and walking. It logs
your route (via GPS) and gives you distance, elevation gain, average
speed and fastest speed and if you ride the same route often it
compares your latest ride to you average time for that particular
ride.

I have Cychosis but don't use it as much as I should as it requires
manually inputting your ride data which I usually forget to do.

Strava seems pretty popular with the go fast crowd.

On Apr 7, 12:30 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I
> don't care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to
> think about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use
> offline with GPS is something I could use today.
>
> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>
> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>
> Just curious and excited,
>  Philip

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Re: [RBW] iPad apps for bicycling?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've used both Endomodo and Cyclemeter for the iPhone and the latter
is far better -- far less prone to re-setting itself and turning
itself off when the phone is in your pocket, at least as was the case
in my pockets. Cyclemeter (note: not "Cyclo ...") also seems to use
less electricity: Endomodo would drain a full battery in under 3
hours. Also, Endo had an annoying robot "encourager" and distance
marker voice that would annoyingly turn itself on and startle you with
a weird voice from your pocket.

You can hook the phone up to a heartrate monitor and improve the
readout accuracies.

There are all sorts of interesting if not very useful features such as
auto route maps (you can scroll along your entire route!) in map and
satellite view; statistics tho' I expect much of this is very
approximate; speed and elevation charts (though on an out and back I
always find my descent measurement is different from my ascent one).

Patrick Moore, who -- per Cyclemeter -- just rode 12 hilly up and down
miles with 27 lb of groceries in a 72" gear between 5,300 and 6,000
feet in Rio Rancho, NM.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I don't
> care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to think
> about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use offline
> with GPS is something I could use today.
>
> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>
> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>
> Just curious and excited,
>  Philip
>
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Re: [RBW] iPad apps for bicycling?

[PATRICK MOORE]

... forgot to add: "and burned 946 putative calories at 8.34 mph
because he didn't turn the device off when walking around the library
and grocery store (you can set it for auto stop), but per Cyclemeter
hit 48 mph which is nonsense."

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I've used both Endomodo and Cyclemeter for the iPhone and the latter
> is far better -- far less prone to re-setting itself and turning
> itself off when the phone is in your pocket, at least as was the case
> in my pockets. Cyclemeter (note: not "Cyclo ...") also seems to use
> less electricity: Endomodo would drain a full battery in under 3
> hours. Also, Endo had an annoying robot "encourager" and distance
> marker voice that would annoyingly turn itself on and startle you with
> a weird voice from your pocket.
>
> You can hook the phone up to a heartrate monitor and improve the
> readout accuracies.
>
> There are all sorts of interesting if not very useful features such as
> auto route maps (you can scroll along your entire route!) in map and
> satellite view; statistics tho' I expect much of this is very
> approximate; speed and elevation charts (though on an out and back I
> always find my descent measurement is different from my ascent one).
>
> Patrick Moore, who -- per Cyclemeter -- just rode 12 hilly up and down
> miles with 27 lb of groceries in a 72" gear between 5,300 and 6,000
> feet in Rio Rancho, NM.
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Philip Williamson
>  wrote:
>> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
>> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
>> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I don't
>> care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to think
>> about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use offline
>> with GPS is something I could use today.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
>> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>>
>> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
>> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
>> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
>> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>>
>> Just curious and excited,
>>  Philip
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: iPad apps for bicycling?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Utahn (??):

As I said, I always get very weird readings for fastest speed (47.87
mph on today's 12 mile ride -- yeah, right). How do you adjust to get
an accurate reading? Ditto for ascent and descent measurements?

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn  wrote:
> I'm a big fan of Cyclemeter, use it for riding and walking. It logs
> your route (via GPS) and gives you distance, elevation gain, average
> speed and fastest speed and if you ride the same route often it
> compares your latest ride to you average time for that particular
> ride.
>
> I have Cychosis but don't use it as much as I should as it requires
> manually inputting your ride data which I usually forget to do.
>
> Strava seems pretty popular with the go fast crowd.
>
> On Apr 7, 12:30 pm, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
>> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
>> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I
>> don't care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to
>> think about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use
>> offline with GPS is something I could use today.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
>> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>>
>> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
>> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
>> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
>> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>>
>> Just curious and excited,
>>  Philip
>
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Re: [RBW] What's in YOUR shorts?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Ahhh, the pleasure of a well set up and ass-compatible saddle! I never
wear chamois for rides under 35 miles (which is all the time for me),
tho' I have a coupla pairs of nice Kucharik and Swobo wool chamois'd
shorts. Saddle and setup is the mantra.

Tangent: some months ago I inquired for suggestions for winter tights
that didn't look obscene on someone over 28. Many recommended the Riv
wool tights, but just as I was about to spring for a pair I saw that
Gnashbar was remaindering their Cargo pants for $28/pair -- 57% off. I
bought two pairs -- tho' had to buy Large because they were out of the
Meds (32"-34"); the Large (claimed 35"-37" waist) is too big but with
the included cinch belt and suspenders they feel fine (the big size
has the advantage of letting me wear them higher, which helps prevent
that annoying cold draft between jersey bottom and pants top).

They come down about 4" below the knee, where they are tapered, and
have velcro to cinch things down.

They are heavy nylon that feels like good cotton, well stitched and
well-featured. According to the catalogue I just rec'd, Nashbar still
has the L on sale.

They feel heavy enough to be comfortable (with Bicycle Fixation's wool
knicker socks) down to at least 40F and, today, were not annoyingly
clammy at 80F (moderate humidity at 6%).

I like these because, beside the good price, they are more versatile
than tights, even Riv tights. They don't look as twee as some knickers
-- they are black and cut more trimly -- yet they are loose enough to
be comfortable and to not cling.

Recommended.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Bruce Herbitter
 wrote:
> I mentioned last week that a new Brooks B17 finally gave that "ahh, it's
> broken in" feeling after about 300 miles. As it happens, last week was also
> my 1st century ride in un-padded shorts. The ride was so comfortable, I got
> out a scapel from the college dissecting kit and cut the threads to remove
> pads from two pr of Ibex Duo shorts. Rode 50 miles today with one of them
> them on (this was on a Selle Anatomica) and can report that they are very
> comfortable sans pad on a leather seat. If you haven't tried it, test the
> ride out on a 20 mile spin. No chamois means no need for chamois cream
> either.
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Bruce
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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[PATRICK MOORE]

Kewl. I had a Monocog 29er on which I ran 722 BAs.

Questions:

What gearing?

What is that rack?



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, John Blish  wrote:

> Sorry.  I have now unlocked the photo of the MB-1 and made it available.
>
> And thanks, Bruce.  We are in agreement.
>
> -jb
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Blish  wrote:
>
>> Hi Beth,
>>
>> Your note resonates with me.  I am also recently more in touch with what
>> I like to ride and what style works best for me now.
>>
>> I sold 4 bikes last summer, all 700, 3 of them Rivs.  My wife asked me to
>> reduce the fleet and those were the bikes that I believed would bring the
>> most return and some of them were similar to each other and to bikes that I
>> still have so I didn't lose anything unique - except my QuickBeam.  It has
>> gone to a good home nearby where it is fully appreciated.  I can visit if I
>> want.  I have made my peace with that but I missed it immediately and
>> started riding my 26" single speed RedLine MonoCog, which had sat mostly
>> idle for a few years.
>>
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5708720188748611345/5728705989593648738
>>
>> I put on new bars, pedals, Dos Eno cog, Schwalbe Fat Franks 26 x 2.35 and
>> re-cabled and it seemed like a new bike.  The fat 26"s are a treat.
>> Obviously not a QuickBeam but a good single speed ride.
>>
>> I liked the result of that revival so much I redid my 26" 1991
>> Bridgestone MB-1 with Schwalbe 26 x 2.15 Big Apples, new bars, new saddle,
>> new pedals, V-brakes, new cables and new wheels with a switch from
>> freewheel to cassette, still 7 speed triple.
>>
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5724265447661313041/5724604809168276370
>>
>> The Bridgestone cleaned up better than I thought it would and it seemed
>> like another new bike.  Wow.  I had two (new) bikes in my garage waiting to
>> be (re)discovered.  Cool.
>>
>> I knew these were good bikes but it was only by letting some other bikes
>> go that I appreciated these 26" bikes more.  These bikes may be more my
>> present style than a Rivendell.  I mean no offense to anyone by that
>> statement and I personally consider the MB-1 to be the Father of Rivendell
>> and therefore a sacred device.  The statement is not about Rivendells,
>> which are the finest bikes available, but about me and what I like now.  It
>> was a little tough to take the MB-1 so far from its stock parts but I am
>> happy I did it.
>>
>> In making these changes I realize what you implied - a person's bicycling
>> style, needs and preferences are not fixed.  They are changing as time goes
>> on and when the opportunity presents itself, and if the funds are
>> available, certain changes, even to less expensive and less refined bikes,
>> can be rewarding.  I am in complete agreement with you and also with
>> Charlie.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, b hamon  wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow Riv-freaks:
>>>
>>> As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
>>> evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
>>> the most:
>>>
>>> 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
>>> 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak
>>> several years ago).
>>>
>>> The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to
>>> gigs, not to mention groceries.
>>> The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner
>>> that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what I've
>>> been doing since I set it up for city riding.
>>>
>>> I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
>>> One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
>>> years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
>>> can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
>>> former bike will probably go this year.
>>> The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and
>>> which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more
>>> emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear
>>> from other folks who have become fans of an all-26"-wheeled stable. When
>>> did you do it and why?
>>>
>>> Beth in PDX
>>>
>>> http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon
>>> http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Further anxious worrying about very small rings and cogs: 36/24 X bastard 11 or 12-32 or 36

[Michael Hechmer]

Patrick, I have not yet ridden in NM, but we have mountains in Vermont too. 
 My sense is that the climbs in the West are considerably longer than in 
the East, but every mountain pass in VT has at least a couple of kilometers 
of 20-25%.  I try to avoid carrying more than a couple of pounds of gear on 
rides with one or two of those!  Back(dirt) roads here, where I do most of 
my riding, often have sections and ramps in the 20 - 25% range that are 
just long enough to seriously bog down in.  My Rambouillet has a White Ind 
crank with a 44/30 and a 9 speed 11-28.   My Ebisu touring bike has a 
48/34/26 with a 12-27, but I throw a 24 on when I go to my sisters, which 
involves crossing White Face Mt in NY, a 5 mile climb at an absolutely 
relentless 10-14%, perhaps that's more like NM. With a 24" gear it takes 
one day shorter than forever!  Even touring on  the tandem, my wife and I 
don't get up to 40 lbs of gear.  Just us, the bike, racks and water gets to 
400lbs, so we run a 26/32 with 26" wheels.   

Generally I prefer to run closely spaced gears for most of my riding and 
then switch to something more helpful when I know my old body will need it.

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:12:19 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> As Steve said, for loads and long hills and long rides. I rarely climb
> in anything under a 35" or so, but if I ever (hah!) do some loaded
> touring in northern NM, the consensus is that some low bailouts might
> be very welcome. Further, there are some steep, short sand-bogged
> hills around here for which a 20" low might be welcome.
>
> The principal reason for a change is that, with a 36/24 X 9, I can do
> 99/100 of my riding in the outer ring, while with the current 46/36/24
> X 7, one must switch between high and low ranges (46/36) for steep
> hills and off road.
>
> And I can put that 48 t cut down ring guard on the 46 position so that
> it all does not look so wimpy.
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Michael Hechmer  
> wrote:
> > Are you trying to ride up the walls of your house?  What exactly do you 
> need
> > a 24/36, and how fast do you have to spin that gear to keep the bike
> > upright?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:08:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
> >>
> >> 1. The stock mini 2-bys seem to have 42 outers. Do any of y'all use 36
> >> outers?
> >>
> >> 2. If so, (a) Do people laugh at you? (b) Do you notice any additional
> >> friction?
> >>
> >> I think I've scored steel 36 and 24, so wear ought not to be an issue,
> >> right?
> >>
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[RBW] Re: iPad apps for bicycling?

[Rambouilleting Utahn]

I've found that if it is in my pocket I get the most weird readings, I
think it has to do with the accelerometer in the phone.

I keep a microfiber sunglass bag in my saddlebag and place the phone
in there to reduce up and down motion of the phone while riding.

On Apr 7, 2:06 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Utahn (??):
>
> As I said, I always get very weird readings for fastest speed (47.87
> mph on today's 12 mile ride -- yeah, right). How do you adjust to get
> an accurate reading? Ditto for ascent and descent measurements?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn  
> wrote:
> > I'm a big fan of Cyclemeter, use it for riding and walking. It logs
> > your route (via GPS) and gives you distance, elevation gain, average
> > speed and fastest speed and if you ride the same route often it
> > compares your latest ride to you average time for that particular
> > ride.
>
> > I have Cychosis but don't use it as much as I should as it requires
> > manually inputting your ride data which I usually forget to do.
>
> > Strava seems pretty popular with the go fast crowd.
>
> > On Apr 7, 12:30 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
> >> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
> >> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
> >> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I
> >> don't care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to
> >> think about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use
> >> offline with GPS is something I could use today.
>
> >> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
> >> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>
> >> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
> >> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
> >> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
> >> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>
> >> Just curious and excited,
> >>  Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: iPad apps for bicycling?

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks! I'm installing the cyclemeter app, and I have a GPS app
recommendation as well, in case that doesn't do the job.
Riv-related content: I bought the iPad with the proceeds of the Readers,
BQs and knickers I sold here recently.

Thanks again,
 Philip


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:

> I've found that if it is in my pocket I get the most weird readings, I
> think it has to do with the accelerometer in the phone.
>
> I keep a microfiber sunglass bag in my saddlebag and place the phone
> in there to reduce up and down motion of the phone while riding.
>
> On Apr 7, 2:06 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > Utahn (??):
> >
> > As I said, I always get very weird readings for fastest speed (47.87
> > mph on today's 12 mile ride -- yeah, right). How do you adjust to get
> > an accurate reading? Ditto for ascent and descent measurements?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn 
> wrote:
> > > I'm a big fan of Cyclemeter, use it for riding and walking. It logs
> > > your route (via GPS) and gives you distance, elevation gain, average
> > > speed and fastest speed and if you ride the same route often it
> > > compares your latest ride to you average time for that particular
> > > ride.
> >
> > > I have Cychosis but don't use it as much as I should as it requires
> > > manually inputting your ride data which I usually forget to do.
> >
> > > Strava seems pretty popular with the go fast crowd.
> >
> > > On Apr 7, 12:30 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > > wrote:
> > >> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have
> with
> > >> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know
> exactly what
> > >> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I
> > >> don't care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to
> > >> think about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and
> use
> > >> offline with GPS is something I could use today.
> >
> > >> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for
> the
> > >> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
> >
> > >> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from
> work,
> > >> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS
> Express)
> > >> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
> > >> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
> >
> > >> Just curious and excited,
> > >>  Philip
> >
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Re: [RBW] Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[John Blish]

Hi Patrick,

The front ring is a 32 on a Shimano LX crank.  The freewheel is the Dos Eno
red, a 17 /19.  So far I have only used it in the 17.  Twin Cities is
mostly flat and this is an easy combination.

The rack is a Nitto R10 that I have had a long time.

Also shown here in more detail:

http://www.pbase.com/jblish/image/36187942/original

and here on a different bike

http://www.pbase.com/jblish/image/27704948

Although they show *Out of Stock*, they do have it listed at Ben's:

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=872

Mine came directly from RBW long ago.  I don't know whether anyone still
sells them.

Formally, the RedLine 26" is known as Jerry Pearce, which is also the name
of the guy I bought it (new) from off eBay.

I like RedLine products.

John




On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:22 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Kewl. I had a Monocog 29er on which I ran 722 BAs.
>
> Questions:
>
> What gearing?
>
> What is that rack?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, John Blish  wrote:
>
>> Sorry.  I have now unlocked the photo of the MB-1 and made it available.
>>
>> And thanks, Bruce.  We are in agreement.
>>
>> -jb
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Blish  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Beth,
>>>
>>> Your note resonates with me.  I am also recently more in touch with what
>>> I like to ride and what style works best for me now.
>>>
>>> I sold 4 bikes last summer, all 700, 3 of them Rivs.  My wife asked me
>>> to reduce the fleet and those were the bikes that I believed would bring
>>> the most return and some of them were similar to each other and to bikes
>>> that I still have so I didn't lose anything unique - except my QuickBeam.
>>> It has gone to a good home nearby where it is fully appreciated.  I can
>>> visit if I want.  I have made my peace with that but I missed it
>>> immediately and started riding my 26" single speed RedLine MonoCog, which
>>> had sat mostly idle for a few years.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5708720188748611345/5728705989593648738
>>>
>>> I put on new bars, pedals, Dos Eno cog, Schwalbe Fat Franks 26 x 2.35
>>> and re-cabled and it seemed like a new bike.  The fat 26"s are a treat.
>>> Obviously not a QuickBeam but a good single speed ride.
>>>
>>> I liked the result of that revival so much I redid my 26" 1991
>>> Bridgestone MB-1 with Schwalbe 26 x 2.15 Big Apples, new bars, new saddle,
>>> new pedals, V-brakes, new cables and new wheels with a switch from
>>> freewheel to cassette, still 7 speed triple.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5724265447661313041/5724604809168276370
>>>
>>> The Bridgestone cleaned up better than I thought it would and it seemed
>>> like another new bike.  Wow.  I had two (new) bikes in my garage waiting to
>>> be (re)discovered.  Cool.
>>>
>>> I knew these were good bikes but it was only by letting some other bikes
>>> go that I appreciated these 26" bikes more.  These bikes may be more my
>>> present style than a Rivendell.  I mean no offense to anyone by that
>>> statement and I personally consider the MB-1 to be the Father of Rivendell
>>> and therefore a sacred device.  The statement is not about Rivendells,
>>> which are the finest bikes available, but about me and what I like now.  It
>>> was a little tough to take the MB-1 so far from its stock parts but I am
>>> happy I did it.
>>>
>>> In making these changes I realize what you implied - a person's
>>> bicycling style, needs and preferences are not fixed.  They are changing as
>>> time goes on and when the opportunity presents itself, and if the funds are
>>> available, certain changes, even to less expensive and less refined bikes,
>>> can be rewarding.  I am in complete agreement with you and also with
>>> Charlie.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, b hamon wrote:
>>>
 Fellow Riv-freaks:

 As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become
 evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two
 the most:

 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and
 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak
 several years ago).

 The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to
 gigs, not to mention groceries.
 The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous
 owner that I would "ride the crap out of it", and that is basically what
 I've been doing since I set it up for city riding.

 I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore.
 One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three
 years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees
 can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the
 former bike will probably go this year.
 The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 

Re: [RBW] Re: Further anxious worrying about very small rings and cogs: 36/24 X bastard 11 or 12-32 or 36

[PATRICK MOORE]

Michael: interesting. I've driven through VT and NH and find the
terrain like a doll-house NM*: small and steep: little valleys and
abrupt, small hills.

* North central NM is pretty green, unlike south-of-Santa Fe; tho' not
so much as NE and the east generally. Again, the green, like the ups
and downs, is more spread out -- "diluted."

Years ago I used to obsess about gearing and insisted on a relatively
wide range (say, 30" to 100") with steps of about 5 gear inches
between each gear -- used close ratio rear clusters with front
triples. After riding fixed and ss exclusively for a number of years,
I found, when I went back to multiple gears, that I like a series of
close ratios in the middle cruising ranges (say, 60" to 75" for
pavement, 50 to 65" for dirt) and some big jumps to small and large
gears on either side. I also find that I shift far, far less than I
did years ago: interesting: I ride with my brother who, himself, is
rather blase' about gearing, and, riding behind him as I usually do
(because he sets a slow pace that I am psychologically incapable of
doing) I notice that even he shifts about three or four times for each
of my one. I tend to leave things in the, say, 70" gear until it hurts
to stand, then bail to a 40" or 35" gear.

At any rate, the hoped-for new 36/24 X 9 systems (11-30 or so for the
road, 12-34 or so for the dirt) will give me these few close ratios in
the middle while giving me ample high and low end gears for the
exceptions (tho' I rarely bother to pedal downhill, nowadays).

Man, I love climbing, at least on <= 1 mile hills of < 10% -- had fun
doing so this afternoon on the grocery-loaded 72" fixie. Downhills, I
can tolerate those.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Patrick, I have not yet ridden in NM, but we have mountains in Vermont too.
>  My sense is that the climbs in the West are considerably longer than in the
> East, but every mountain pass in VT has at least a couple of kilometers of
> 20-25%.  I try to avoid carrying more than a couple of pounds of gear on
> rides with one or two of those!  Back(dirt) roads here, where I do most of
> my riding, often have sections and ramps in the 20 - 25% range that are just
> long enough to seriously bog down in.  My Rambouillet has a White Ind crank
> with a 44/30 and a 9 speed 11-28.   My Ebisu touring bike has a 48/34/26
> with a 12-27, but I throw a 24 on when I go to my sisters, which involves
> crossing White Face Mt in NY, a 5 mile climb at an absolutely relentless
> 10-14%, perhaps that's more like NM. With a 24" gear it takes one day
> shorter than forever!  Even touring on  the tandem, my wife and I don't get
> up to 40 lbs of gear.  Just us, the bike, racks and water gets to 400lbs, so
> we run a 26/32 with 26" wheels.
>
> Generally I prefer to run closely spaced gears for most of my riding and
> then switch to something more helpful when I know my old body will need it.
>
> On Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:12:19 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> As Steve said, for loads and long hills and long rides. I rarely climb
>> in anything under a 35" or so, but if I ever (hah!) do some loaded
>> touring in northern NM, the consensus is that some low bailouts might
>> be very welcome. Further, there are some steep, short sand-bogged
>> hills around here for which a 20" low might be welcome.
>>
>> The principal reason for a change is that, with a 36/24 X 9, I can do
>> 99/100 of my riding in the outer ring, while with the current 46/36/24
>> X 7, one must switch between high and low ranges (46/36) for steep
>> hills and off road.
>>
>> And I can put that 48 t cut down ring guard on the 46 position so that
>> it all does not look so wimpy.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Michael Hechmer 
>> wrote:
>> > Are you trying to ride up the walls of your house?  What exactly do you
>> > need
>> > a 24/36, and how fast do you have to spin that gear to keep the bike
>> > upright?
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > On Friday, April 6, 2012 8:08:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1. The stock mini 2-bys seem to have 42 outers. Do any of y'all use 36
>> >> outers?
>> >>
>> >> 2. If so, (a) Do people laugh at you? (b) Do you notice any additional
>> >> friction?
>> >>
>> >> I think I've scored steel 36 and 24, so wear ought not to be an issue,
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Albuquerque, NM
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>> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW
>> >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: iPad apps for bicycling?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks; must try this. I have a home-made leather slip cover for the
phone and can slip it into my saddlebag or pannier.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn  wrote:
> I've found that if it is in my pocket I get the most weird readings, I
> think it has to do with the accelerometer in the phone.
>
> I keep a microfiber sunglass bag in my saddlebag and place the phone
> in there to reduce up and down motion of the phone while riding.
>

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Re: [RBW] iPad apps for bicycling?

[robert zeidler]

+1 more on Cyclemeter.  Finally a bike computer for any bike, any time.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> I just got an iPad, and I wonder how much bike-related fun I can have with
> it. It's the LTE version, so it should have GPS ("sure, I know exactly what
> I bought"). Are there any must-have iPhone or iPad apps for cycling? I don't
> care about training or calories, but I might if I didn't have to think
> about. Mapping would be cool. Terrain maps I can download and use offline
> with GPS is something I could use today.
>
> Is there such a thing as a rando bag with a waterproof top pocket for the
> iPad? If I made some, is there any interest?
>
> I've never had a phone, and I've been borrowing an original iPad from work,
> but this is the first one that's all mine. I'm a photographer (PS Express)
> and artist (sketchbook pro), and I plan to use the iPad as a phone
> (Talkatone or Line2?). Anything else I should know about?
>
> Just curious and excited,
>  Philip
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[Beth H]

Fellas -- thanks for the feedback. I should've included a few more
tidbits:

a. Space is much more of a consideration than money, though money may
become a consideration in the next year as my career situation
evolves.

b. I generally live car-free, though I will sometimes ride as a
passenger in my partner's automobile and actually help spell her on
long drives (i.e., outta state, which happenes once or twice a year).
In the city I don't drive a car. Ever.

c. In the last dozen years, I've gone from being a transportational
cyclist to being a tourist, a randonneuse and a racer, and now I feel
myself heading back into utilitarian cycling again and loving it. The
thought of "training" holds little appeal; The idea of signing up for
a ride to beat the clock holds even less; and paying to ride or race
my bike makes less and less sense as I evolve as a cyclist. The things
I continue to relish are my commutes, my cargo-hauling errands, and my
leisurely weekend jaunts, all done by bicycle.

d. How many bikes I own -- and all the seemingly-requisite gear that
goes with them -- feels far less important to me now. (No matter how
many bikes I own, I still have only one butt.)

As space and money are increasingly important considerations, it
becomes clearer to me that a serious winnowing-down is probably in
order. And because I rely on bikes for transportation, it makes such
excellent sense for me to have a smaller stable which all utilize the
same wheel size. Fewer bikes, fewer spare parts, more space.

So yeah, I will probably think about selling the two bikes I ride the
least, sometime in the next year or less. Thanks again for the
feedback. --Beth

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[RBW] Re: What's in YOUR shorts?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Cheap cotton boxers from Target for me, under MUSA shorts when temps are 
above 40F. The boxers have to be "broken in" (ten or so wearings/washings) 
before I wear them on longer rides. When new, the fabric is a little too 
stiff. I tried padded shorts half a dozen times, and I found them horrible 
(hot,sweaty, squishy, etc) in a short time. I've also tried "going 
commando", but that was somewhat uncomfortable and carried an almost 
intolerable degree of blowout risk. These days I ride B67 saddles on 
everything. I just sold my long-loved but no longer ridden B17 Champ Spec, 
which I miss mostly because of the beausage.

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 1:03:41 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I mentioned last week that a new Brooks B17 finally gave that "ahh, it's 
> broken in" feeling after about 300 miles. As it happens, last week was also 
> my 1st century ride in un-padded shorts. The ride was so comfortable, I got 
> out a scapel from the college dissecting kit and cut the threads to remove 
> pads from two pr of Ibex Duo shorts. Rode 50 miles today with one of them 
> them on (this was on a Selle Anatomica) and can report that they are very 
> comfortable sans pad on a leather seat. If you haven't tried it, test the 
> ride out on a 20 mile spin. No chamois means no need for chamois cream 
> either.
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Bruce
>

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Re: [RBW] What's in YOUR shorts?

[Tim McNamara]

On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:



> (moderate humidity at 6%)

These things are relative.  Around here that would be considered bone dry and 
there'd be fire hazard alerts. 

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[RBW] Re: What's in YOUR shorts?

[EricP]

And I'm probably one of the few to consistently get saddle sores from 
Brooks saddles.  Both with and without padded shorts.  For today, put a 
Brooks back on the Hillborne and rode about 30 miles today, about half in 
the rain.  Including an extended stop at Hiawatha Cyclery.  Sitting in 
front of the computer, can certainly tell I was on a Brooks.  And, no, I 
have not ridden that much this year.  Just a bit above 1,000 miles so far.  
So it could be my lack of riding and/or fitness.
 
Frustrating, but it appears that the area around where the cantle and rail 
meet rub me the wrong way.  So to speak.  Not just on one Brooks, but on at 
least 3 different B-17s.
 
But to the original poster - for rides up to about 20 miles, I find boxers 
just fine.  Even on Terry saddles.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 5:06:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> Cheap cotton boxers from Target for me, under MUSA shorts when temps are 
> above 40F. The boxers have to be "broken in" (ten or so wearings/washings) 
> before I wear them on longer rides. When new, the fabric is a little too 
> stiff. I tried padded shorts half a dozen times, and I found them horrible 
> (hot,sweaty, squishy, etc) in a short time. I've also tried "going 
> commando", but that was somewhat uncomfortable and carried an almost 
> intolerable degree of blowout risk. These days I ride B67 saddles on 
> everything. I just sold my long-loved but no longer ridden B17 Champ Spec, 
> which I miss mostly because of the beausage.
>
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Project Help my Build my Atlantis

[dr...@charter.net]

Thanks william Yes I have a brifter. I probably did say all the parts
were worn out- what I mean where the cassettes and chainrings. I was
trying to figure out how much weight I would save by changing to a
double , then I got all side tracked wondering how much better the
bike could be for not too much extra cost. One lb is not that much and
it does add a lot of cost to redo the whole thing unnecessaril.

On Apr 6, 9:31 pm, William  wrote:
> A 'brifter' is a shifter that is part of the brake lever.
> Brake-lever-shifter = Brifter.  If your brakelevers and shiftlevers are
> integrated into the same unit, you have brifters.
>
> The group might have taken you sideways into a "million dollar project" in
> part because your original post said:
>
> "I want to rebuild it from the bottom up, as the
> components were completely worn out. "
>
> If only your drivetrain parts are worn out, and you love everything about
> your bike otherwise, then by all means get a new cassette the same size as
> you have now, get three new chainrings, and a new chain, and be happy.
> 100-200 in parts, plus labor, maybe get cables and housing and handlebar
> tape and brakepads and it will feel and look like a new bike.
>
> If you want to totally reconfigure your drivetrain to a double in front,
> there may be weight savings, but it will almost certainly be less than a
> pound of savings, and could easily add another $200-$500 to the project,
> and might force you into shifter choices that you regret if you've loved
> what you have been running.
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012 6:37:37 PM UTC-7, dr...@charter.net wrote:
>
> > Well I want my bike to be beautiful too. I want indexed shifters, not
> > bar end as I am used to them. I am thinking about going to a double
> > crank. From everything I have read here is would be lighter, and I
> > could still get a good gear range for  touring,a lthough I would have
> > to get a rear MB derailer. It is hard for me to conceive that with a
> > 42 front ring that I could get a high enough gear for flats to cruise
> > on.. but from what i can tell it seems that you all think a triple
> > chain ring in the front is very repetitive. Am still not sure if I
> > have to replace my 105 Shimano indexed shifters if I just decide to
> > change to a double crank and different rear cassette. Can you clarify
> > please.? What is a brifter?I think the first thing to decide is double
> > or triple crank and rear cassette and then figure out if I have to
> > replace   my current derailers and shifters if I do that.  The rings
> > were  the reason that I took the bike apart in the first place, as
> > they were the only parts that were really worn out.. now here I am
> > with half my bike sitting next to this computer desk in a big pile and
> > this is turning into a million dollar project. I can probably afford
> > to redo the whole thing, but do not necessarily feel the need to do
> > that. I kind of like to use things up and recycle etc.
>
> > On Apr 6, 9:17 am, islaysteve  wrote:
> > > dr (original poster):  I agree you have a lot to consider and digest
> > here.
> > > You a debating compact double vs. triple cranks, for one thing.  As for
> > > myself, I've always had a double, and used 105 STI 'brifters'.  They
> > have
> > > performed so well for me that I see no reason to leave them.  The
> > mainline
> > > Rivendell philosophy favors non-indexed bar-end shifters, and lots of
> > folks
> > > here go that way.  However one good thing about Riv and this forum is
> > that
> > > there's a wide tolerance for individuality and using what works for you.
> > > Along those lines, I'd suggest that you may first want to decide on your
> > > shifting system.  I believe that you have been using STI?  If you like
> > it,
> > > you'll likely not want to change.  I've heard (and not confirmed, and
> > > others here may correct me) that triples are a bit more finicky for
> > > brifters.  But you were running a triple anyway, so would have your own
> > > experience.  As Jim and others have mentioned, you can go to a compact
> > > double and still have a wide gear range.  That's what I am going to work
> > > toward on my bike.  I also admit to considering it an object of "beauty"
> > > and consider that when choosing parts.  I got a very nice-looking Sugino
> > > Alpina compact double and that's what I'm sticking with.  You may not be
> > > able to keep your 105 RD if you opt for a larger cassette; but as
> > mentioned
> > > above, you can get a good Shimano mtn derailleur that will handle the
> > > larger cogs and should be just as reliable as what you are used to.
> >  Good
> > > luck, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Project Help my Build my Atlantis

[dr...@charter.net]

Thanks you too, this is practical advice that I am looking for. I will
decide next week about all of this, and most likely stick to my
original plan of replacing the parts that were worn out/drivetrain
instead of the whole thing.  I know it is never going to be light - I
always tell people it is like riding a Cadillac.

On Apr 6, 10:28 pm, dougP  wrote:
> "The rings were  the reason that I took the bike apart in the first
> place, as
>
> > they were the only parts that were really worn out.."
>
> The odds are good that only the middle & outer ring were shot.  The
> little inner ones don't usually see a lot of use and it may even be
> steel (mine is & has 9 yrs use).  If everything else was working fine,
> and doing what you need the bike to do, I'd go for a pair of rings,
> new chain & cassette and not let this turn into a high dollar
> effort.
>
> As to reducing weight, saving a pound or two here'n'there on an
> Atlantis won't be noticeable.  The bike is built stout to take heavy
> loads, so it would be tough to get it down to a sporty weight.  My 58
> cm tips the scales at around 26-27 lbs with no racks or bags (a rare
> condition).  In my standard set-up (Nitto big back rack, mini-front &
> Acorn boxy bag) it's well north of 30 lbs.
>
> dougP
>
> On Apr 6, 6:37 pm, "dr...@charter.net"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well I want my bike to be beautiful too. I want indexed shifters, not
> > bar end as I am used to them. I am thinking about going to a double
> > crank. From everything I have read here is would be lighter, and I
> > could still get a good gear range for  touring,a lthough I would have
> > to get a rear MB derailer. It is hard for me to conceive that with a
> > 42 front ring that I could get a high enough gear for flats to cruise
> > on.. but from what i can tell it seems that you all think a triple
> > chain ring in the front is very repetitive. Am still not sure if I
> > have to replace my 105 Shimano indexed shifters if I just decide to
> > change to a double crank and different rear cassette. Can you clarify
> > please.? What is a brifter?I think the first thing to decide is double
> > or triple crank and rear cassette and then figure out if I have to
> > replace   my current derailers and shifters if I do that.  The rings
> > were  the reason that I took the bike apart in the first place, as
> > they were the only parts that were really worn out.. now here I am
> > with half my bike sitting next to this computer desk in a big pile and
> > this is turning into a million dollar project. I can probably afford
> > to redo the whole thing, but do not necessarily feel the need to do
> > that. I kind of like to use things up and recycle etc.
>
> > On Apr 6, 9:17 am, islaysteve  wrote:
>
> > > dr (original poster):  I agree you have a lot to consider and digest here.
> > > You a debating compact double vs. triple cranks, for one thing.  As for
> > > myself, I've always had a double, and used 105 STI 'brifters'.  They have
> > > performed so well for me that I see no reason to leave them.  The mainline
> > > Rivendell philosophy favors non-indexed bar-end shifters, and lots of 
> > > folks
> > > here go that way.  However one good thing about Riv and this forum is that
> > > there's a wide tolerance for individuality and using what works for you.
> > > Along those lines, I'd suggest that you may first want to decide on your
> > > shifting system.  I believe that you have been using STI?  If you like it,
> > > you'll likely not want to change.  I've heard (and not confirmed, and
> > > others here may correct me) that triples are a bit more finicky for
> > > brifters.  But you were running a triple anyway, so would have your own
> > > experience.  As Jim and others have mentioned, you can go to a compact
> > > double and still have a wide gear range.  That's what I am going to work
> > > toward on my bike.  I also admit to considering it an object of "beauty"
> > > and consider that when choosing parts.  I got a very nice-looking Sugino
> > > Alpina compact double and that's what I'm sticking with.  You may not be
> > > able to keep your 105 RD if you opt for a larger cassette; but as 
> > > mentioned
> > > above, you can get a good Shimano mtn derailleur that will handle the
> > > larger cogs and should be just as reliable as what you are used to.  Good
> > > luck, Steve- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler Sale of my Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

HA! You were thinking about the New Bleu Hillborne you're gonna replace it 
with. ;-)

On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:52:05 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> Damn it,  too tired today.  It is of course a Hilsen. 
> On Apr 6, 2012 7:49 PM, "William"  wrote:
>
>> Um, "your Hillborne" looks like a Hilsen.  
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:38:50 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if I am gonna sell this or not but wanted to put out a feeler 
>>> to see if anyone is interested. As mentioned earlier I am not getting 
>>> any lighter and wanted to haul myself and some stuff around this 
>>> summer so was looking to get a bike that is a bit more stout. Mine is 
>>> a 54cm Hillborne with custom paint, kinda like a silver green 
>>> metallic. Frameset w/headset for sale only but will include 113mm BB 
>>> if someone wants it. Frame has only one small paint chip, I have 
>>> twined and wrapped chainstay and made sure to use electrical tape 
>>> behind it, it comes off easily enough if you dont like it.  As 
>>> mentioned earlier this is actually one of the Hiluki's out there with 
>>> a serial No.  SA 0193.  Pictures show you can run Hetres and fenders 
>>> on this no problem.  I really would hate to lose it but after paying 
>>> off tax man my wife will not let me get a new bike until I sell one. 
>>> I paid $1250 shipped but could let it go for $1150 shipped if that 
>>> seems failr. If anyone has any questions let me know. Thanks for 
>>> bearing with my complete indicisiveness. Link to Flikr page with 
>>> pics.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/**67889635@N06/sets/**
>>> 72157629272888155/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler Sale of my Hillborne

[Peter Morgano]

Ha, busted...still torn though, it is one beautiful bike.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> HA! You were thinking about the New Bleu Hillborne you're gonna replace it
> with. ;-)
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:52:05 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
>> Damn it,  too tired today.  It is of course a Hilsen.
>> On Apr 6, 2012 7:49 PM, "William"  wrote:
>>
>>> Um, "your Hillborne" looks like a Hilsen.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:38:50 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Not sure if I am gonna sell this or not but wanted to put out a feeler
 to see if anyone is interested. As mentioned earlier I am not getting
 any lighter and wanted to haul myself and some stuff around this
 summer so was looking to get a bike that is a bit more stout. Mine is
 a 54cm Hillborne with custom paint, kinda like a silver green
 metallic. Frameset w/headset for sale only but will include 113mm BB
 if someone wants it. Frame has only one small paint chip, I have
 twined and wrapped chainstay and made sure to use electrical tape
 behind it, it comes off easily enough if you dont like it.  As
 mentioned earlier this is actually one of the Hiluki's out there with
 a serial No.  SA 0193.  Pictures show you can run Hetres and fenders
 on this no problem.  I really would hate to lose it but after paying
 off tax man my wife will not let me get a new bike until I sell one.
 I paid $1250 shipped but could let it go for $1150 shipped if that
 seems failr. If anyone has any questions let me know. Thanks for
 bearing with my complete indicisiveness. Link to Flikr page with
 pics.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/sets/**
 721576292728**88155/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler Sale of my Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, I never would have sold it if I didn't need more standover.
 

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:27:02 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> Ha, busted...still torn though, it is one beautiful bike. 
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> HA! You were thinking about the New Bleu Hillborne you're gonna replace 
>> it with. ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:52:05 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>>> Damn it,  too tired today.  It is of course a Hilsen. 
>>> On Apr 6, 2012 7:49 PM, "William"  wrote:
>>>
 Um, "your Hillborne" looks like a Hilsen.  

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:38:50 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Not sure if I am gonna sell this or not but wanted to put out a feeler 
> to see if anyone is interested. As mentioned earlier I am not getting 
> any lighter and wanted to haul myself and some stuff around this 
> summer so was looking to get a bike that is a bit more stout. Mine is 
> a 54cm Hillborne with custom paint, kinda like a silver green 
> metallic. Frameset w/headset for sale only but will include 113mm BB 
> if someone wants it. Frame has only one small paint chip, I have 
> twined and wrapped chainstay and made sure to use electrical tape 
> behind it, it comes off easily enough if you dont like it.  As 
> mentioned earlier this is actually one of the Hiluki's out there with 
> a serial No.  SA 0193.  Pictures show you can run Hetres and fenders 
> on this no problem.  I really would hate to lose it but after paying 
> off tax man my wife will not let me get a new bike until I sell one. 
> I paid $1250 shipped but could let it go for $1150 shipped if that 
> seems failr. If anyone has any questions let me know. Thanks for 
> bearing with my complete indicisiveness. Link to Flikr page with 
> pics.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/sets/**
> 721576292728**88155/

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[RBW] Re: Contemplating herd thinning to all-26"

[rob markwardt]

Bikes come and go.  If I bought or kept every one that I've liked I'd
have over a thousand.

PS...Your music is fantastic.

On Apr 7, 2:52 pm, Beth H  wrote:
> Fellas -- thanks for the feedback. I should've included a few more
> tidbits:
>
> a. Space is much more of a consideration than money, though money may
> become a consideration in the next year as my career situation
> evolves.
>
> b. I generally live car-free, though I will sometimes ride as a
> passenger in my partner's automobile and actually help spell her on
> long drives (i.e., outta state, which happenes once or twice a year).
> In the city I don't drive a car. Ever.
>
> c. In the last dozen years, I've gone from being a transportational
> cyclist to being a tourist, a randonneuse and a racer, and now I feel
> myself heading back into utilitarian cycling again and loving it. The
> thought of "training" holds little appeal; The idea of signing up for
> a ride to beat the clock holds even less; and paying to ride or race
> my bike makes less and less sense as I evolve as a cyclist. The things
> I continue to relish are my commutes, my cargo-hauling errands, and my
> leisurely weekend jaunts, all done by bicycle.
>
> d. How many bikes I own -- and all the seemingly-requisite gear that
> goes with them -- feels far less important to me now. (No matter how
> many bikes I own, I still have only one butt.)
>
> As space and money are increasingly important considerations, it
> becomes clearer to me that a serious winnowing-down is probably in
> order. And because I rely on bikes for transportation, it makes such
> excellent sense for me to have a smaller stable which all utilize the
> same wheel size. Fewer bikes, fewer spare parts, more space.
>
> So yeah, I will probably think about selling the two bikes I ride the
> least, sometime in the next year or less. Thanks again for the
> feedback. --Beth

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[RBW] Done talking myself into like the moustache.

[Scotty]

I have given myself about a year to like my moustache handlebars. I really 
want to like them, they look so freaking good on my bike, but I dont. Now I 
am just not sure what direction I want to go, but I know that I want to be 
more upright, and I dont want to replace the whole cockpit. I want bars 
that will take my roadbike brake levers and bar end shifters. Even with the 
dirt drop stem I feel I am leaning forward too far in the position where 
the brakes are. I could use some suggestions for bars that give me a closer 
flat section near the brakes that wont force me to buy everything new. Just 
the bar. Am I dreaming?

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[RBW] Re: Done talking myself into like the moustache.

[Esteban]

Noodles. 

I like mustache bars for off-road applications, even with the saddle, grips 
1-2in below, for cross-country riding.  Like the way the x0-1 was set up in 
the 1993 catalog renderings. 

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:41:57 PM UTC-7, Scotty wrote:
>
> I have given myself about a year to like my moustache handlebars. I really 
> want to like them, they look so freaking good on my bike, but I dont. Now I 
> am just not sure what direction I want to go, but I know that I want to be 
> more upright, and I dont want to replace the whole cockpit. I want bars 
> that will take my roadbike brake levers and bar end shifters. Even with the 
> dirt drop stem I feel I am leaning forward too far in the position where 
> the brakes are. I could use some suggestions for bars that give me a closer 
> flat section near the brakes that wont force me to buy everything new. Just 
> the bar. Am I dreaming?

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[RBW] Re: Done talking myself into like the moustache.

[Ablejack]

Depends what kind of levers you have. You could get porter bars with 
inverted levers or guidonnet which are beautiful with Belleville bars.

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/br-0024.html


On Sunday, April 8, 2012 1:41:57 AM UTC-4, Scotty wrote:
>
> I have given myself about a year to like my moustache handlebars. I really 
> want to like them, they look so freaking good on my bike, but I dont. Now I 
> am just not sure what direction I want to go, but I know that I want to be 
> more upright, and I dont want to replace the whole cockpit. I want bars 
> that will take my roadbike brake levers and bar end shifters. Even with the 
> dirt drop stem I feel I am leaning forward too far in the position where 
> the brakes are. I could use some suggestions for bars that give me a closer 
> flat section near the brakes that wont force me to buy everything new. Just 
> the bar. Am I dreaming?

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