[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Michael Hechmer]

I would second this.  I commuted for many years on Pasella's and found them 
a decent and durable tire.  Now that I'm retired I have recently purchased 
a pair of JBs, green & blue.  They definitely offer a better ride, and so 
far have proven pretty durable while riding a lot of dirt roads.

michael

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:18:54 PM UTC-4, Phil Bickford wrote:
>
> A little late here but, I gotta say; 
>
> The Green Jack Browns are the ticket.  I've ridden Pasela Tour guards 
> for years, and the Browns felt like a breath of fresh air. IME they 
> can be run softer than the TGs without the squirmies that Aaron 
> alludes to. 
>
> I bought two pairs when they came out and three of the four are still 
> rideable.  I did add the Panaracer kevlar tire liners when new. 
> Definitely got my money's worth. 
>
> Another one to consider are the Grand Bois 700x30 Cypres, though that 
> might be too skinny for this bunch. 
>
> Phil B 
>
> On Mar 14, 11:29 pm, Steve  wrote: 
> > I've ridden Jack Brown Blues about 6 days/week for around a year with 
> only 
> > one flat... a one mm wide wire manage bend around the tread and puncture 
> > the sidewall. This bike is my work horse so I'd say they're pretty good 
> > tires. I don't have experience with the others but these are fun, cushy, 
> > durable and fast. 
> > 
> > Steven 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, JL wrote: 
> > 
> > > Hello All, 
> > 
> > > I am interested in some reviews or insight about Jack Brown tires.  I 
> > > have plenty of experience with high volume 650b tires and not as much 
> > > first hand knowledge about plumper 700c tires.  I ride 700x28 Paselas 
> > > (both TG and non) on a regular basis.  Are Jack Browns a better ride 
> > > and/or long life than the 32 or 35mm Paselas?  Are there other tires 
> > > that one should consider?  Kojacks? GB Cypress? 
> > 
> > > Thanks 
> > > JL

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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[robert zeidler]

I use Paselas where durability is needed, i.e., winter bike, some touring,
but they ride like a log wagon!  I like the JB's a little less than max
psi. They hit a nice sweet spot.

On Friday, March 16, 2012, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> I would second this.  I commuted for many years on Pasella's and found
them a decent and durable tire.  Now that I'm retired I have recently
purchased a pair of JBs, green & blue.  They definitely offer a better
ride, and so far have proven pretty durable while riding a lot of dirt
roads.
> michael
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:18:54 PM UTC-4, Phil Bickford wrote:
>>
>> A little late here but, I gotta say;
>>
>> The Green Jack Browns are the ticket.  I've ridden Pasela Tour guards
>> for years, and the Browns felt like a breath of fresh air. IME they
>> can be run softer than the TGs without the squirmies that Aaron
>> alludes to.
>>
>> I bought two pairs when they came out and three of the four are still
>> rideable.  I did add the Panaracer kevlar tire liners when new.
>> Definitely got my money's worth.
>>
>> Another one to consider are the Grand Bois 700x30 Cypres, though that
>> might be too skinny for this bunch.
>>
>> Phil B
>>
>> On Mar 14, 11:29 pm, Steve  wrote:
>> > I've ridden Jack Brown Blues about 6 days/week for around a year with
only
>> > one flat... a one mm wide wire manage bend around the tread and
puncture
>> > the sidewall. This bike is my work horse so I'd say they're pretty good
>> > tires. I don't have experience with the others but these are fun,
cushy,
>> > durable and fast.
>> >
>> > Steven
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello All,
>> >
>> > > I am interested in some reviews or insight about Jack Brown tires.  I
>> > > have plenty of experience with high volume 650b tires and not as much
>> > > first hand knowledge about plumper 700c tires.  I ride 700x28 Paselas
>> > > (both TG and non) on a regular basis.  Are Jack Browns a better ride
>> > > and/or long life than the 32 or 35mm Paselas?  Are there other tires
>> > > that one should consider?  Kojacks? GB Cypress?
>> >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > JL
>
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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 08:34 -0500, robert zeidler wrote:
> I use Paselas where durability is needed, i.e., winter bike, some
> touring, but they ride like a log wagon!  I like the JB's a little
> less than max psi. They hit a nice sweet spot. 
> 

How much weight are you carrying, and how much pressure in the tires?

Either this is hyperbole to the max, your tire pressure is far too high,
or your Paselas are somehow radically different than the 32mm Paselas
I've been using on my Velo Orange during the winters since 2008.  (I
presume these are non-TG, as are mine, since you didn't say.) 

I have noticed if I run my tire pressure up over 85 both Paselas and
Grand Bois Cypres really start to hammer on rough roads, so I suspect
your "log wagon" ride may be related to using too much tire pressure.



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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[robert zeidler]

Yes I do run high pressure.

That said, the GB C's are very supple, just not as durable. I can live with
that.

On a lot of bikes I run Open Corsa's at max to avoid pinch flats and, at
25c even, have yet to find a better tire. 1800-2000 miles about does it
though. I can live with less if that should happen. I'm 6'6" and 230.

On Friday, March 16, 2012, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 08:34 -0500, robert zeidler wrote:
>> I use Paselas where durability is needed, i.e., winter bike, some
>> touring, but they ride like a log wagon!  I like the JB's a little
>> less than max psi. They hit a nice sweet spot.
>>
>
> How much weight are you carrying, and how much pressure in the tires?
>
> Either this is hyperbole to the max, your tire pressure is far too high,
> or your Paselas are somehow radically different than the 32mm Paselas
> I've been using on my Velo Orange during the winters since 2008.  (I
> presume these are non-TG, as are mine, since you didn't say.)
>
> I have noticed if I run my tire pressure up over 85 both Paselas and
> Grand Bois Cypres really start to hammer on rough roads, so I suspect
> your "log wagon" ride may be related to using too much tire pressure.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 08:50 -0500, robert zeidler wrote:
> Yes I do run high pressure. 

I'd suggest before giving up on Paselas because of a harsh ride, you try
them at lower pressure, especially if we're talking about 32mm Paselas
(since JBs are 33 mm, it wouldn't be a good comparison to match them
against 28mm or narrower tires).


> That said, the GB C's are very supple, just not as durable. I can live
> with that. 

Agreed, the Grand Bois Cypres are very nice tires and using Sheldon's
replacement tire to the front, front tire to the back replacement scheme
I find their service life to be quite reasonable.  Not nearly as long as
a Pasela, of course, since there's probably twice as thick a tread on
the Pasela; but that's why I use those in the winter and switch back to
the Grand Bois "in season."


> On a lot of bikes I run Open Corsa's at max to avoid pinch flats and,
> at 25c even, have yet to find a better tire. 1800-2000 miles about
> does it though. I can live with less if that should happen. I'm 6'6"
> and 230. 

How true to marked size are the Open Corsa?  Are they marked 25 and in
reality measure closer to 23-24?



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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[robert zeidler]

Not giving up at all just using different rubber on different bikes.

On Friday, March 16, 2012, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 08:50 -0500, robert zeidler wrote:
>> Yes I do run high pressure.
>
> I'd suggest before giving up on Paselas because of a harsh ride, you try
> them at lower pressure, especially if we're talking about 32mm Paselas
> (since JBs are 33 mm, it wouldn't be a good comparison to match them
> against 28mm or narrower tires).
>
>
>> That said, the GB C's are very supple, just not as durable. I can live
>> with that.
>
> Agreed, the Grand Bois Cypres are very nice tires and using Sheldon's
> replacement tire to the front, front tire to the back replacement scheme
> I find their service life to be quite reasonable.  Not nearly as long as
> a Pasela, of course, since there's probably twice as thick a tread on
> the Pasela; but that's why I use those in the winter and switch back to
> the Grand Bois "in season."
>
>
>> On a lot of bikes I run Open Corsa's at max to avoid pinch flats and,
>> at 25c even, have yet to find a better tire. 1800-2000 miles about
>> does it though. I can live with less if that should happen. I'm 6'6"
>> and 230.
>
> How true to marked size are the Open Corsa?  Are they marked 25 and in
> reality measure closer to 23-24?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bleriot Love

[Joan Oppel]

Bleriot Love - I totally agree!Not only did I use two locks on my bike at my office building parking gargage bike rack, but I continue to use two locks when I park around my urban home location.  But - when in the countryside, on a ride with a group, we never lock our bikes outside gas stations, convenience stores, local markets.  And it seems like we're all in the store together,  at least at first. Joan On 03/15/12, Lynne Fitz wrote: First, the setting...I commute by bike.  Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&Scouplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack,little front rack, panniers...I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long blockoff the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meetwith my usability session participants.  Clearly, I just ride over.Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just forthe purpose of moving one's self around.  Bike parking is dead easy -anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way.  I take my bikeeverywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up.Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building.  Bike is parkedalong the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away.  Toward theend of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Isthat your bike?  Wow!".:-)-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Tim: I have not heard anyone express concerns about steel "going soft" in 6 
years selling and servicing steel bikes at HC. 

That said, one thing I have learned selling and servicing steel bikes, is 
that ANYTHING can break even under normal circumstances. Lots of 
well-regarded and well-cared-for steel frames break every year, long before 
the steel has gone soft. We see lots of them. As Mongo often says to people 
who are surprised by worn-out or broken components or frames: "bikes are a 
wear item." For every 120,000 mile steel frame, there are many that broke 
in one season of riding. Bikes, ones that get ridden anyway, have a hard 
life. It's silly to think they'll last forever.




On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:24:02 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:25 PM, William wrote:
> > 
> > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
> today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft" 
> with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get 
> more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame 
> in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break 
> it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial 
> for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling 
> community in general.
> > 
> > http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 
>
>
> Is this still a popular notion in the cycling community?  I haven't heard 
> anyone claim this in years, having been debunked many times already.
>

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[William]

I believe the notion that flex is bad, that a light steel frame is flexy 
(noodly is an adjective I still hear quite often), are still reasonably 
common.  Probably not among the internet cyclists, but among the general 
population, I think it's still pretty common.  I'm not going to go out and 
do interviews to substantiate that opinion, since we're all in agreement 
that those notions are incorrect.  

I have no doubt in my mind that if my Bombadil does not get damaged in its 
lifetime, that its lifetime will surpass mine.  



On Friday, March 16, 2012 10:07:12 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Tim: I have not heard anyone express concerns about steel "going soft" in 
> 6 years selling and servicing steel bikes at HC. 
>
> That said, one thing I have learned selling and servicing steel bikes, is 
> that ANYTHING can break even under normal circumstances. Lots of 
> well-regarded and well-cared-for steel frames break every year, long before 
> the steel has gone soft. We see lots of them. As Mongo often says to people 
> who are surprised by worn-out or broken components or frames: "bikes are a 
> wear item." For every 120,000 mile steel frame, there are many that broke 
> in one season of riding. Bikes, ones that get ridden anyway, have a hard 
> life. It's silly to think they'll last forever.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:24:02 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:25 PM, William wrote:
>> > 
>> > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
>> today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft" 
>> with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get 
>> more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame 
>> in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break 
>> it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial 
>> for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling 
>> community in general.
>> > 
>> > http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 
>>
>>
>> Is this still a popular notion in the cycling community?  I haven't heard 
>> anyone claim this in years, having been debunked many times already.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Brian Hanson]

Quality control, and abuse (even unintentional) are always part of the
equation...

Brian

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tim: I have not heard anyone express concerns about steel "going soft" in
> 6 years selling and servicing steel bikes at HC.
>
> That said, one thing I have learned selling and servicing steel bikes, is
> that ANYTHING can break even under normal circumstances. Lots of
> well-regarded and well-cared-for steel frames break every year, long before
> the steel has gone soft. We see lots of them. As Mongo often says to people
> who are surprised by worn-out or broken components or frames: "bikes are a
> wear item." For every 120,000 mile steel frame, there are many that broke
> in one season of riding. Bikes, ones that get ridden anyway, have a hard
> life. It's silly to think they'll last forever.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:24:02 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:25 PM, William wrote:
>> >
>> > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
>> today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft"
>> with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get
>> more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame
>> in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break
>> it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial
>> for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling
>> community in general.
>> >
>> > http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/
>>
>>
>> Is this still a popular notion in the cycling community?  I haven't heard
>> anyone claim this in years, having been debunked many times already.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Love

[William]

Bleriots deserve the adoration, no question.  

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:14:20 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> First, the setting... 
>
> I commute by bike.  Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&S 
> couplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack, 
> little front rack, panniers... 
>
> I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long block 
> off the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meet 
> with my usability session participants.  Clearly, I just ride over. 
> Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just for 
> the purpose of moving one's self around.  Bike parking is dead easy - 
> anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way.  I take my bike 
> everywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up. 
>
> Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building.  Bike is parked 
> along the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away.  Toward the 
> end of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Is 
> that your bike?  Wow!". 
>
> :-)

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Have you been using the Philip's on-line 
calculator? 
It works very well for me. 

I did find that Jack Browns inflated to the *recommended *pressure are 
squishy in corners and didn't inspire confidence. I bumped them up 5 psi or 
so and haven't looked back! 


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Re: [RBW] Bleriot Love

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I wonder if all things were equal with locking and visibility, what kind of 
bike a typical bike thief would go for first. Are they discerning enough to 
see lugged steel and Brooks saddles as a positive or neg? Would they go for 
a MCRB over a lugged steel bike, pick a Magna over a Moots? My hunch is a 
be-fendered Betty Foy would be the last bike to be nicked.

On Friday, March 16, 2012 8:49:02 AM UTC-7, Joan wrote:
>
> Bleriot Love - I totally agree!
>
> Not only did I use two locks on my bike at my office building parking 
> gargage bike rack, but I continue to use two locks when I park around my 
> urban home location.  But - when in the countryside, on a ride with a 
> group, we never lock our bikes outside gas stations, convenience stores, 
> local markets.  And it seems like we're all in the store together,  at 
> least at first. 
>
> Joan 
> On 03/15/12, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>  
> First, the setting...
>
> I commute by bike. Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&S
> couplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack,
> little front rack, panniers...
>
> I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long block
> off the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meet
> with my usability session participants. Clearly, I just ride over.
> Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just for
> the purpose of moving one's self around. Bike parking is dead easy -
> anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way. I take my bike
> everywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up.
>
> Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building. Bike is parked
> along the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away. Toward the
> end of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Is
> that your bike? Wow!".
>
> :-)
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Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Bruce Herbitter]

I run paselas at 65 rear and 60 front and like them a lot

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??


On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 08:50 -0500, robert zeidler wrote:
> Yes I do run high pressure. 

I'd suggest before giving up on Paselas because of a harsh ride, you try
them at lower pressure, especially if we're talking about 32mm Paselas
(since JBs are 33 mm, it wouldn't be a good comparison to match them
against 28mm or narrower tires).


> That said, the GB C's are very supple, just not as durable. I can live
> with that. 

Agreed, the Grand Bois Cypres are very nice tires and using Sheldon's
replacement tire to the front, front tire to the back replacement scheme
I find their service life to be quite reasonable. Not nearly as long as
a Pasela, of course, since there's probably twice as thick a tread on
the Pasela; but that's why I use those in the winter and switch back to
the Grand Bois "in season."


> On a lot of bikes I run Open Corsa's at max to avoid pinch flats and,
> at 25c even, have yet to find a better tire. 1800-2000 miles about
> does it though. I can live with less if that should happen. I'm 6'6"
> and 230. 

How true to marked size are the Open Corsa? Are they marked 25 and in
reality measure closer to 23-24?



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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[JL]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

It think I should give the Jack Browns a shot.

It is interesting to hear how everyone's riding style and use effects
tire choice so much.

I tend to notice the acceleration and climbing effects more than I
notice the impact on overall handling.

Most of my riding is short trips ( 30miles or under ) and commuting
(10 miles round trip).

Right now I have Pasela 28's and 35's to sort of switch between.  If I
decide I need something in between (best of both worlds?) then Jack
Brown Greens are my next purchase.

JL

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[William]

These threads remind me just how many really delicious looking fat 700c 
tires there are these days.  My new road bike came with some Clement model 
that I'd never heard of before.  Strada LLG.  They are a true 27 on Open 
Pros and they are rocket fast and really supple feeling.  The 120tpi casing 
presumably has something to do with it.  I'm scared that I'll get lots of 
flats with them.  They really feel like a racing tire.  

On Friday, March 16, 2012 12:17:41 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback everyone. 
>
> It think I should give the Jack Browns a shot. 
>
> It is interesting to hear how everyone's riding style and use effects 
> tire choice so much. 
>
> I tend to notice the acceleration and climbing effects more than I 
> notice the impact on overall handling. 
>
> Most of my riding is short trips ( 30miles or under ) and commuting 
> (10 miles round trip). 
>
> Right now I have Pasela 28's and 35's to sort of switch between.  If I 
> decide I need something in between (best of both worlds?) then Jack 
> Brown Greens are my next purchase. 
>
> JL

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Darin G.]

Kelly, looks very close to my planned setup.  Nice looking bike!

D.G.

On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Love

[Lynne Fitz]

Awww.  Thanks!  Your bike is awesome as well!

On Mar 15, 8:25 pm, Calvin Mukumoto  wrote:
> I've seen Lynne's bike and I say wow!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > First, the setting...
>
> > I commute by bike.  Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&S
> > couplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack,
> > little front rack, panniers...
>
> > I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long block
> > off the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meet
> > with my usability session participants.  Clearly, I just ride over.
> > Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just for
> > the purpose of moving one's self around.  Bike parking is dead easy -
> > anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way.  I take my bike
> > everywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up.
>
> > Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building.  Bike is parked
> > along the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away.  Toward the
> > end of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Is
> > that your bike?  Wow!".
>
> > :-)
>
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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Aaron Thomas]

I've been riding the Clement Strada in both 25 and 28. And I like 'em in 
both sizes. No flats yet in either. But the rubber on the sidewalls does 
seem a bit fragile; mine have a couple of nicks, though nothing that's cut 
through the casing (yet). 

As you mention, the 28s measure more like 27 on my Velocity Aeroheads. Kind 
of like a poor man's Challenge Parigi Roubaix, though in my experience they 
don't feel quite as fast as the Challenge. 

They're a nice option for winter riding, given their all black 
sidewalls/tread. Grime and muck don't show up.

On Friday, March 16, 2012 12:22:53 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> These threads remind me just how many really delicious looking fat 700c 
> tires there are these days.  My new road bike came with some Clement model 
> that I'd never heard of before.  Strada LLG.  They are a true 27 on Open 
> Pros and they are rocket fast and really supple feeling.  The 120tpi casing 
> presumably has something to do with it.  I'm scared that I'll get lots of 
> flats with them.  They really feel like a racing tire.  
>
> On Friday, March 16, 2012 12:17:41 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback everyone. 
>>
>> It think I should give the Jack Browns a shot. 
>>
>> It is interesting to hear how everyone's riding style and use effects 
>> tire choice so much. 
>>
>> I tend to notice the acceleration and climbing effects more than I 
>> notice the impact on overall handling. 
>>
>> Most of my riding is short trips ( 30miles or under ) and commuting 
>> (10 miles round trip). 
>>
>> Right now I have Pasela 28's and 35's to sort of switch between.  If I 
>> decide I need something in between (best of both worlds?) then Jack 
>> Brown Greens are my next purchase. 
>>
>> JL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Kelly]

Have to give credit to my Wife (Dawn).  It's her bike.

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[RBW] Lights for Nitto racks

[Anne Paulson]

Probably some of you have those Nitto racks Rivendell sells. Great
racks. Front and rear both have a flat plate, with a hole facing
forward/backward, for (I assume) mounting a light.

Can anyone name a front light (dyno-powered or battery-powered) or a
rear battery-powered light that I could buy that comes with hardware
suitable for mounting on a flat plate like the Nitto has? I'm
mechanically challenged and can't figure out how to mount a light on
one of those racks. Except an IQ Cyo, which I think will soon grace my
touring bike. But that leaves rear lights or blinkies for my bike and
my son's beautiful apple green Rambouillet.

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[LF]

On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, JL wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I am interested in some reviews... 
>
  
If you believe Jan Heine's bicycle tire studies, rider experience is a poor 
measure of rolling resistance and tire efficiency. I'm a believer. 
Nonetheless, there's plenty to be said for what it feels like to ride a 
bike, for the rider's perception.  Unless you are racing, the experience is 
probably more important than the actual tire efficiency. I like the feel of 
Paselas (non TG) and of Jack Browns (green).  

My mind likes to wander on good rides, and so at various times I feel like 
I'm riding with bike eFriends -- Sheldon, Kent, Grant, Jan, Tyler, Andrew, 
Jobst, Patrick, Fast Eddy, Smokin' Phil, Fred, Disco Stu, and you -- and I 
am usually just in a dream world, not with them in reality. 

When I ride Paselas, I smile with Jan, knowing I'm getting the most for my 
money, a good ride that's hard to beat. When I ride JBs, I wink over at 
Grant, enjoying a great ride, and thanking my friend for all his hard work 
and good advice. But then again, sometimes I just like slogging along with 
Kent on a heavy kevlar tire, getting there in just about the same amount of 
time, and with not one flat all winter long. The stock pile of Avocet Roads 
is sadly gone.

Best,
Larry 
 

>
>

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