Re: [RBW] Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Joe Bernard
Some Shimano BBs have a plastic cup. They actually work just fine for many 
miles, but stomping on a loose one will crack it. You either need a 
nice/new/affordable no-plastic replacement from Rivendell, or this is your 
excuse to buy a fancy schmantzy Phil. Because you can adjust chainline. 
Which is vital on a singlespeed. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it..
 
Joe "trust me..I know what I'm doing" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Wrong bike / riders...where is this?

2011-10-31 Thread opa...@gmail.com
That's the one - thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Garth
Yes, you likely have a UN54 BB in there ... and it has a plastic cup.  The 
reason they usually break is people overtighten them. The need not be 
torqued as the misguided instructions say! Just snug is fine. But hey, 
plastic is just a bad idea period, for anything in the BB.. and Shimano's 
use of it is inexcusable. 

You can get a new plastic cup, but you may be wondering if it will crack 
too... not really fun.  Another option is a new aluminum cup by Problem 
solvers called an Up-Cup #54. But, for the cost of the Up-Cup($15-20), 
you'd be better of just getting a new BB. Shimano now has UN-55's which use 
a steel cup, but I'd get a Tange LN-3922 from Tange. It's the same 
internals as the one Riv sells but is all steel.  The Tange's do not have 
that silly lip on the cup that the UN55/54's do, therefore allowing more 
chainline adjustments than with the Shimano. A second choice would be the 
IRD steel cup BB, easier to find.  I've gotten the Tange's from bike shops 
via ebay and online. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Tektro cable hanger

2011-10-31 Thread Minh
These guys have a few, but it takes some searching on their site.

http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=723975


On Oct 30, 9:58 pm, bionnaki  wrote:
> I'm looking for a 1" Tektro cable hanger, specifically a "deep-drop"
> version (and in silver). Velo Orange carries them, but they're out of
> stock. 
> Link:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/pads-parts/c...
>
> Anyone know where I can purchase one? Or anyone have one collecting dust
> they'd like to sell or trade?
>
> Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Minh
Andrew,

I'd say the UN54 is not really work saving with an UP-Cup, since
decent replacement tange bbs are not that expensive.  I'd say buy a
replacement UN54 plastic cup ($3) and sell that BB on ebay or save it
for another bike.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Tektro cable hanger

2011-10-31 Thread Garth
I love the regular Problem Solvers hanger with noodle, but the cross one's 
are also 1-1/8" only. 

 You could always get the 1-1/8" VO one and use the shim they sell. Contact 
VO though and see how long it will be until the 1" come back in stock. 

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Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

2011-10-31 Thread stevep33
Awesome.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread dougP
While I agree that steel is a better material for the cup, I replaced
the original BB on my Atlantis with a UN-54 with the plastic cup.  A
couple of years ago I noticed it had developed a crack.  The crack
does not seem to effect anything so I've not bothered doing anything
about it.

dougP

On Oct 31, 7:30 am, Minh  wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I'd say the UN54 is not really work saving with an UP-Cup, since
> decent replacement tange bbs are not that expensive.  I'd say buy a
> replacement UN54 plastic cup ($3) and sell that BB on ebay or save it
> for another bike.

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[RBW] Re: Wrong bike / riders...where is this?

2011-10-31 Thread davidfrench
Thanks for the link, it's always good to read this kind of rant !
:)

On Oct 28, 9:38 pm, Geoff  wrote:
> Hi, is this it?-
>
> Copying the Wrong Bikes and Riders, by Grant 
> Petersenhttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GVlWJIsgiWAJ:web...

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Philip Williamson
I  cracked the plastic left BB cup on my Quickbeam a couple weeks ago
trying to get rid of a creak. Yes, overtightening it. After 7 years of
perfectly serviceable plastic cup life, so the service life seems
acceptable to me.
Yesterday I took the cup out, greased it up and put it back, crack and
all. Creak appears gone.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Oct 31, 12:24 pm, dougP  wrote:
> While I agree that steel is a better material for the cup, I replaced
> the original BB on my Atlantis with a UN-54 with the plastic cup.  A
> couple of years ago I noticed it had developed a crack.  The crack
> does not seem to effect anything so I've not bothered doing anything
> about it.
>
> dougP
>
> On Oct 31, 7:30 am, Minh  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Andrew,
>
> > I'd say the UN54 is not really work saving with an UP-Cup, since
> > decent replacement tange bbs are not that expensive.  I'd say buy a
> > replacement UN54 plastic cup ($3) and sell that BB on ebay or save it
> > for another bike.

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[RBW] Re: Wrong bike / riders...where is this?

2011-10-31 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
It's been awhile since I've read that article (or variations thereof). 
Interesting that it doesn't ring as true now as it did even five years ago. Of 
the newish bikes I see in my neighborhood now, most (anecdotally) are some kind 
of entry-level 'hybrid' (hate that term, but the bikes are what most cyclists 
should be riding) or Surly Cross-check/LHT, which embody many of the features 
advocated by Grant over the years. I credit Grant and some other influential 
bike people, as well as (maybe) a diminishing interest in wannabe racing 
post-Lance.

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The above commenters are correct that the plastic cup actually works pretty 
well, even when cracked. The plastic cups are the source of much hand-wringing 
(despite being functionally just fine), which I suspect led to Shimano changing 
to the metal cup on the newer model (according to a previous commenter).

Don't waste money on a Phil BB. IME, the Phil bearings don't last any longer 
than the Shimano cartridge, and they cost more to replace. In other words, your 
initial $150 investment doesn't translate to savings down the road.

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread William


That's not a crack, that's a "self-triggered strain relief".



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 2:11 PM, William  wrote:
> 
> That's not a crack, that's a "self-triggered strain relief".
> 
>


I've found my problems with bottom brackets loosening up or with
cracking the plastic cups have vanished since I got a torque wrench
for my birthday the year before last. I love that thing.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Allan in Portland
My plastic cup was cracked on install by my neighborhood bike shop (in 
Portland, we have those in lieu of LBS ;-). Right on top, which somewhat 
annoyed me, as an otherwise out-of-sight, out-of-mind type of guy.

I figured if it mattered, I'd take it back, but they are super nice guys so 
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that it didn't matter. That was, I 
dunno, 5 years ago? Never seemed to matter.

Regards,
-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Andrew Johnson
I'm going to watch mine for a few weeks, and see if any slop or play
develops. It is tight (torqued) on the right side, and the left side,
though cracked) is serving to hold the spindle centered in the BB. I'll put
some out of the saddle stomping on it, and see how it fares.

It just seems a terrible choice by Shimano to use a material that is so
weak in an area that takes such high stress.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Allan in Portland
wrote:

> My plastic cup was cracked on install by my neighborhood bike shop (in
> Portland, we have those in lieu of LBS ;-). Right on top, which somewhat
> annoyed me, as an otherwise out-of-sight, out-of-mind type of guy.
>
> I figured if it mattered, I'd take it back, but they are super nice guys
> so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that it didn't matter. That was,
> I dunno, 5 years ago? Never seemed to matter.
>
> Regards,
> -Allan
>

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[RBW] FS: Wide Noodles & Shimano Tiagra levers

2011-10-31 Thread Andrew Johnson
Up for sale is a wide Noodle Bar (48cm outside to outside, and 46cm apart
at the tips of the levers), along with Shimano Tiagra levers. These were
put on the frame at Rivendell, where the previous owner bought the bike out
of the showroom. They're in very good condition, showing very minimal use.

I would like $55 for the bars and $35 for the levers. If you want a
complete cockpit, wrapped and with cables and housings, and Nitto Technomic
Deluxe Stem, I'll take $120 for the package, plus shipping.

Images of the setup:
https://picasaweb.google.com/11583461485768589/Quickbeam?authkey=Gv1sRgCJKx-Py-15TGnwE#5587082210767114498

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread Peter Morgano
Isn't the UN54 only like 20 bucks?  I would think that even with labor at
the lbs you are taking 40 bucks max. Seems like small potatoes for
something that lasts for 5 years...
On Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM, "Philip Williamson" 
wrote:

> I  cracked the plastic left BB cup on my Quickbeam a couple weeks ago
> trying to get rid of a creak. Yes, overtightening it. After 7 years of
> perfectly serviceable plastic cup life, so the service life seems
> acceptable to me.
> Yesterday I took the cup out, greased it up and put it back, crack and
> all. Creak appears gone.
>
>  Philip
>
>  Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Oct 31, 12:24 pm, dougP  wrote:
> > While I agree that steel is a better material for the cup, I replaced
> > the original BB on my Atlantis with a UN-54 with the plastic cup.  A
> > couple of years ago I noticed it had developed a crack.  The crack
> > does not seem to effect anything so I've not bothered doing anything
> > about it.
> >
> > dougP
> >
> > On Oct 31, 7:30 am, Minh  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Andrew,
> >
> > > I'd say the UN54 is not really work saving with an UP-Cup, since
> > > decent replacement tange bbs are not that expensive.  I'd say buy a
> > > replacement UN54 plastic cup ($3) and sell that BB on ebay or save it
> > > for another bike.
>
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[RBW] FS: Riv bags & mostly Riv clothes & parts

2011-10-31 Thread Joe Broach
Cleaning out the bike room!  Let me know if something strikes your
fancy.  All prices are plus actual postage from 97202 (likely $5-10 on
most items).  Please see photos at

https://picasaweb.google.com/joebroach/BikeStuffForSale

$175 - Riv Baggins Boxy Bag w/ required Nitto F15 Bar Rack included
Used with some light rub marks on bag, but canvas and leather are in great
shape.  This is the older tan waxed canvas and leather Boxy bag,
roughly 10"Lx8"Wx7"D and very nicely made.  Completely rainproof in my
experience.  Elastic cord and hook closure for main compartment.  Two
covered side pockets and a buckled front pocket.  Rack clamps to bars
and is usual Nitto quality.  Includes CycoActive map case for top.
Bag sits level with bar tops.

$75 - Riv Baggins Hobo Bar bag (tan waxed canvas and thick leather
reinforcements)
Well-used but functionally perfect (see pics, 6/10 cosmetically?).
Great NLA bag that sits against head tube where handling is little
affected.  Zippered main compartment about 13"Wx8"Hx4"D. Two big rear
buckle pockets are
great for snacks, camera, other grab-ables.  Rear pockets rainproof,
main compartment will seep in heavy rain due to zipper.  Works best
with upright bars or drop bars at least 42cm wide.  With cantis or
centerpulls, you'll want to run some cord through the side d-rings and
tie off to the brake levers or bar-end shifter cables.  This keeps the
bag away from the straddle cable.

$50 - Medium Riv Musa Knickers (Grey w/ blue accents)
Light use.  Nice, but just don't fit my tall, skinny legs.  These are
early ones without the reflective patches
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ws2.htm

$65 - Medium Riv Wooly Warm Vest, current edition
New with tags, pit-to-pit: 21", length: 24"

$50 - Medium Pearl Izumi Vagabond Jacket/Vest ("Optic" Yellow)
Like new except for rub marks shown in photos from bouncing around in
my bag. Very nice design with zip off sleeves, nice venting.  Fabric
is breathable and water repellent--keeps you dry in light rain but
heavy rain will eventually seep in.  Four zip pockets.  Generously
long sleeves for a medium. pit-to-pit: 22", length F/R: 22"/25.5",
sleeves: 36" (from center of back)

$50 - Medium REI Novara Headwind Cycling Pants/Tights (Black)
Like new.  Great loose tights for snow or cold rain.  Front is
water/windproof (totally) and rear is breathable fine nylon mesh.
These were great in Missoula, but Portland seldom gets cold and wet
weather.  32" inseam, elastic drawstring waist, rear pocket.
http://www.rei.com/product/815145/novara-headwind-bike-pants-mens

$50 - Salsa Waterford-made CrMo stem 135mm 25deg 1 1/8 THREADLESS w/
25.4 handlebar clamp
This is a 2005 model when they were still made by Waterford in
Wisconsin.  I see Salsa is bringing these back this winter, but I
doubt they'll be US made.  Effective reach is about 10cm with a lot of
rise.  Nice for flared drops or flat bars.

$50 - pair of Panaracer Pasela 700x37 Tourguard, folding bead
Used one week (~50 miles).  Unfortunately a rainy week so sidewalls
are a little dirty--should clean up easily enough.  A nice discount on
a basically new set, though.
Great tires if you can fit them.

$25 - Tange CrMo Fork, 1" threaded 700c canti unicrown 43mm rake 130
steerer with 40mm threaded (chrome)
NOS, made with Tange MTB blades, 900g

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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[RBW] Re: ISO: SunTour XC Pro right cantilever caliper, silver 25.4 Dirt Drop stem

2011-10-31 Thread Garth
Well, that's no fun when the caliper doesn't fit correctly.  I use a set of 
those exact(champagne) brakes on one of my bikes. I do also have a NOS 
set(minus one original straddle cable) that I'll likely never use if you 
wish to buy them. I had saved them for future bikes ... but now that I'm 
using Riv frames with wider stays I find other brakes are better suited.  
Too bad though , as I really like the set I have as they are work well and 
are so easy to adjust! 

I would ask $55 shipped via USPS and w/Paypal if you'd like them.  
Otherwise I see there is some XC Pro cantilever parts on ebay right now.  
Whatever works best for you is good with me. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: SunTour XC Pro right cantilever caliper, silver 25.4 Dirt Drop stem

2011-10-31 Thread Garth
Well, that's no fun when the caliper doesn't fit correctly.  I use a set of 
those exact(champagne) brakes on one of my bikes. I do also have a NOS 
set(minus one original straddle cable) that I'll likely never use if you 
wish to buy them. I had saved them for future bikes ... but now that I'm 
using Riv frames with wider stays I find other brakes are better suited.  
Too bad though , as I really like the set I have as they are work well and 
are so easy to adjust! 

I would ask $55 shipped via USPS(assuming you're in the USA) and w/Paypal 
if you'd like them.  Otherwise I see there is some XC Pro cantilever parts 
on ebay right now.  Whatever works best for you is good with me. 

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[RBW] FOR SALE: RIVENDELL BIKE PARTS

2011-10-31 Thread rex
 
Hi everyone
Today im clearing out some extra stuff, all bought from Rivendell except 
the seatpost, and used but not abused, except the tiagra levers. Included:
 
Nitto crystal fellow seatpost 27.2
Nitto Dirt Drop 100 stem
Shimano tiagra areo levers. plastic beauty ring missing on left lever after 
crash. looks weird works ok.
Tektro cross interupteur levers
Schwalbe marathon 26x1.75 tires pair with tubes. mininal use.
 
I will ship this to you in the CONUS for $200 
thanks for your time
joe rex kelly

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[RBW] Re: Question on cartridge BB

2011-10-31 Thread dougP
Peter:

You are correct on both points.  High mileage riders and / or tough
conditions may shorten the life to a couple of years.  That's why I
can't get too excited about SKF or Phil's.

dougP

On Oct 31, 10:40 am, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Isn't the UN54 only like 20 bucks?  I would think that even with labor at
> the lbs you are taking 40 bucks max. Seems like small potatoes for
> something that lasts for 5 years...
> On Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM, "Philip Williamson" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I  cracked the plastic left BB cup on my Quickbeam a couple weeks ago
> > trying to get rid of a creak. Yes, overtightening it. After 7 years of
> > perfectly serviceable plastic cup life, so the service life seems
> > acceptable to me.
> > Yesterday I took the cup out, greased it up and put it back, crack and
> > all. Creak appears gone.
>
> >  Philip
>
> >  Philip Williamson
> >www.biketinker.com
>
> > On Oct 31, 12:24 pm, dougP  wrote:
> > > While I agree that steel is a better material for the cup, I replaced
> > > the original BB on my Atlantis with a UN-54 with the plastic cup.  A
> > > couple of years ago I noticed it had developed a crack.  The crack
> > > does not seem to effect anything so I've not bothered doing anything
> > > about it.
>
> > > dougP
>
> > > On Oct 31, 7:30 am, Minh  wrote:
>
> > > > Andrew,
>
> > > > I'd say the UN54 is not really work saving with an UP-Cup, since
> > > > decent replacement tange bbs are not that expensive.  I'd say buy a
> > > > replacement UN54 plastic cup ($3) and sell that BB on ebay or save it
> > > > for another bike.
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: RIVENDELL BIKE PARTS

2011-10-31 Thread rex
Hi everyone
I just realized i wasnt very clear about my intentions in my post. I am 
looking to sell the whole group of items together. I would be willing to 
take $200 obo for all the items shipped in the CONUS.
sorry for the confusion
thanks for your time
joe rex kelly

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[RBW] Re: Wrong bike / riders...where is this?

2011-10-31 Thread Geoff
My pleasure.  :)

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