Re: [RBW] Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

[René Sterental]

I asked the the question a long time ago at RBW and the answer was negative.

René

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On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:52 AM, archangel  wrote:

> I have a fairly new AHH and occasionally find myself combining riding
> with light rail for my commute to work. My concern is that on the
> train, bicycles are hung from the wheel on a hook. Is there any issue
> doing this? Does it cause any problems for the hub, wheel, fork, etc.?
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[RBW] S24O Packing & securing load

[opa...@gmail.com]

I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very 
helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make 
out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't 
close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and 
a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small 
tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone 
nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I 
discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation, 
loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to 
just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind 
it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally 
attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure 
big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided 
rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways, 
not massive ugly knots etc.

Cheers,
Robert Opalko

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[RBW] S24O Packing & securing load

[Stephen S]

I am packing for an s24o this weekend for he first time and what worked for me 
is to still attach the bag normally but not run the closing straps through both 
sides of the buckle. Basically, just enough to close them and have the metal 
bit go into the hole.  Then have the tent strapped behind the bag. I am still 
able to get in the bag and it is still closed but it definitely isn't as easy 
to get in.  I have my sleeping pad strapped around the tent and it is pretty 
stable.

I would suggest your main thoughts on packing should be about making it stable 
as the primary goal and convenient for the things you have to have convenient. 
Btw, I think most folks use a handlebar bag for he stuff they want access to on 
the road. I was planning to have some clothes and my cooking stuff in the 
saddlebag. 

I haven't done much more than a ride to work with my setup. Hopefully others on 
the list will respond with sage advice.

Stephen

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[RBW] S24O Packing & securing load

[Stephen S]

Oh and I am using lots of bungee cords to make sure it s tight.

Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Grey's Anatomy

[jinxed]

So did anyone catch it? I only made it 15 minutes into the show...had to 
turn it off.

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[RBW] Re: Year of Rol-y Pol-y introduction

[stevef]

Boy I could've sworn they came stock on my Heron Road that I bought in 
1999.  It was late '99, though so maybe they were available by then. 

Steve

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Re: [RBW] Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

[PATRICK MOORE]

The wheel will tend to stretch into an ellipse after several months of
doing this.

Seriously, I hang my bikes in my garage from hooks by their front
wheels and have done for ~9 years and none are out of round yet. Don't
worry

Patrick "this brings to mind Salvador Dali-esque images of taffy-like
wheels" Moore

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:49 AM, archangel  wrote:
> I have a fairly new AHH and occasionally find myself combining riding
> with light rail for my commute to work. My concern is that on the
> train, bicycles are hung from the wheel on a hook. Is there any issue
> doing this? Does it cause any problems for the hub, wheel, fork, etc.?
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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[Minh]

Robert,

Maybe you're overthinking this, but bungees are fine for securing to
the rack.  It sounds like the problem you have is that you cannot put
something on top of the rear rack and attach the saddle sack.
Depending on the sleeping pad (or is it the tent) you can mount that
on the under-side of the top-tube or bungee it crosswise on top of the
basket.  There are just a lot of options, you just need to play around
with it, there is no right way other then making sure it's secure
while riding.   If you have the clearance up front you could use the
saddle-sack as a handle-bar bag.

Here's a picture of my last S240, i have panniers, but what i have in
the panniers you could carry in your saddle-sack and front basket.
What i have in the long roll on top of the rear-rack is the sleeping
pad, inside the sleeping pad are the poles to my tent.

In the panniers i have, sleeping bag, tent (2 person, no rainfly on
this trip), tent foot-print, 2-20oz bottles of water, change of
clothes (camp pants, lite jacket, change of socks, shirt), bike repair
kit (multi-tool, pump, tubes, patches), food (sandwiches, trailmix,
etc).

hard to see is on the front rack i have trunk-sack for food, wallet,
keys, things i need to get at easily.  i could easily get by without
this but it's more convienent.

http://flic.kr/p/ajaN9q

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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[William]

That's the beauty of an S24O.  If you try a load configuration and it is 
less than perfect, then you know for next time to try something different.  
Bring a few extra bungees, or Rivendell irish straps or REI webbing with 
fastek buckles or a ball of twine and a pocketknife.  If anything gets loose 
on you, lash it down.  Enjoy the learning experience.  

Me, I've used the platrack in front for for tent, pad and sleeping bag(s).  
Big saddlebag in back for the rest

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4923623707/in/set-72157624675120941/

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[RBW] wtt: 59cm A. Homer Hilsen for 56cm Atlantis

[Eric]

Looking to try out a 56cm Atlantis...anyone looking to try out a 59cm
A. Homer Hilsen...let's talk!

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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[Jay]

One thing that has worked for me is to pack my tent poles separately
from the rest of the tent. The tent can go in a pannier or saddle bag
and the poles get lashed to whatever.

Jay

On Sep 23, 2:16 pm, "opa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very
> helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make
> out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't
> close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and
> a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small
> tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone
> nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I
> discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation,
> loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to
> just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind
> it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally
> attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure
> big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided
> rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways,
> not massive ugly knots etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert Opalko

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[RBW] Fitting on the Sam Hillborne

[Peter M]

Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real
standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a
bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other
people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a
58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to
something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San
Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass.
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

[TSW]

This question is always interesting to me- I've wondered it myself.

So the question is, is compression on the rim better than tension
(hook) when not rolling?  If you think a bike standing in the corner,
the wheels are bearing approximately half the bike's weight, in
compression.  On a hook, it's bearing all the weight, in tension.

And also think that when rolling, it's bearing more than 10x the
bike's weight on both wheels.

Should be more than okay, and experience seems to bear this out.

TS
Berkeley CA

On Sep 23, 7:38 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> The wheel will tend to stretch into an ellipse after several months of
> doing this.
>
> Seriously, I hang my bikes in my garage from hooks by their front
> wheels and have done for ~9 years and none are out of round yet. Don't
> worry
>
> Patrick "this brings to mind Salvador Dali-esque images of taffy-like
> wheels" Moore
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:49 AM, archangel  wrote:
> > I have a fairly new AHH and occasionally find myself combining riding
> > with light rail for my commute to work. My concern is that on the
> > train, bicycles are hung from the wheel on a hook. Is there any issue
> > doing this? Does it cause any problems for the hub, wheel, fork, etc.?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

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on 9/23/11 9:29 AM, TSW at tsesun...@gmail.com wrote:

> This question is always interesting to me- I've wondered it myself.
> 
> So the question is, is compression on the rim better than tension
> (hook) when not rolling?  If you think a bike standing in the corner,
> the wheels are bearing approximately half the bike's weight, in
> compression.  On a hook, it's bearing all the weight, in tension.
> 
> And also think that when rolling, it's bearing more than 10x the
> bike's weight on both wheels.

Actually, to appropriately describe the forces, the bicycle hangs down from
the "top" of the rim when being ridden.  There are some detensioning results
to the forks near the "bottom", but the weight is not being held up by the
bottom spokes. 

Actual, true vertical deformation of the rim is pretty minimal. (Tires and
spokes are much more elastic) Until you hit a curb or a near-vertical
obstruction. 

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[RBW] Re: Fitting on the Sam Hillborne

[William]

I'm an 87, and I owned a 56 Sam.  With Jack Browns I found the standover to 
be right at the 83.4 they claim.  I can't see a particular reason a true 85 
would have a problem with a 56 Sam, especially considering Grant himself ran 
a 60 Sam for a while with few complaints or issues besides that it looked 
odd.  He's an 85, too, if memory serves.  

I sold my 56 Sam to help pay for a 58 Atlantis, so I can run even fatter 
tires.  

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Re: [RBW] Fitting on the Sam Hillborne

[andrew hill]

I had a 56 Sam.. and I've got an 84.5 pbh.. standover wasn't a problem on the 
Sam, and I'm long-waisted so the tt fit was pretty good too (i'm about 5'11).  
This was with 40mm Schwalbe Mara Supremes.

For comparison, a 52 Bombadil, 59 Canti-Rom, and a 58 SimpleOne all fit better 
than the 56 Sam.

best,
andrew

On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Peter M wrote:

> Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real
> standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a
> bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other
> people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a
> 58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to
> something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San
> Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass.
> Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Air Travel With a 60cm. Bombadil ... Or other large and long bikes

[Steve Wimberg]

Hi Garth,

I have a 60cm Rambouillet and have shipped it through UPS and on Air France 
with this bike box.

http://www.crateworks.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=crateworks&Product_Code=Pro_XLC

The frame just fits lengthwise, such that I have to detach the rear derailer to 
have it lay flat.  The box has held up and the bike has made the trips just 
fine (except when Air France neglected to actually put it on the plane, but 
that's another story).

Not sure how the Ram compares to the Bombadil, but this is what I have used.

Steve


On Sep 17, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Garth wrote:

>   I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any dedicated bike containers 
> that would fit a 60cm. Bombadil ? ... (or any large and long bike)  There's 
> always the boxes, but I'd rather use something more sturdy if i could.  I'm 
> trying to figure something out for air travel. The frame height is no problem 
> ... but the extra long wheelbase may be an issue for some containers. I have 
> zero experience in air travel with a bike . 
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Re: [RBW] Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

[Rex Kerr]

On Friday, September 23, 2011, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> The wheel will tend to stretch into an ellipse after several months of
> doing this.
>

The solution is to go out and rotate the wheel by one spoke slot each
morning... alternatively rotate to the opposite side, then split the
difference, then the opposing side, then split that difference, then
the opposing side, narrowing the angle as you go, much like tightening
lugnuts on a car.  :-)

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Re: [RBW] Fitting on the Sam Hillborne

[Bruce Baker]

I have a PBH of 82.5 and am 5' 10" and have a 56cm Hillborne.  I don't have
a lot of clearance
but I like the fit I have on it and I love the relaxed geometry.  By the way
I'm about the same weight as you also.
I think a 56 would fit you fine

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Peter M  wrote:

> Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real
> standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a
> bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other
> people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a
> 58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to
> something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San
> Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass.
> Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Mixed-Mode Commuting with AHH

[PATRICK MOORE]

Religiously following this protocol you will eventually end up with a
48" (and very skinny) diameter wheel.

Patrick "taffy-brain" Moore

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2011, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>> The wheel will tend to stretch into an ellipse after several months of
>> doing this.
>
> The solution is to go out and rotate the wheel by one spoke slot each
> morning... alternatively rotate to the opposite side, then split the
> difference, then the opposing side, then split that difference, then
> the opposing side, narrowing the angle as you go, much like tightening
> lugnuts on a car.  :-)
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[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[Michael Hechmer]

OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed 
about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done - 
glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of 
the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?

michael,
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Re: [RBW] Air Travel With a 60cm. Bombadil ... Or other large and long bikes

[Tim Whalen]

Steve,

That looks really good, thanks for calling it to my attention. I can't find
the dimensions on their website.  Do you know what it measures for H, W, L?
Thanks,
Tim

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Steve Wimberg wrote:

> Hi Garth,
>
> I have a 60cm Rambouillet and have shipped it through UPS and on Air France
> with this bike box.
>
>
> http://www.crateworks.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=crateworks&Product_Code=Pro_XLC
>
> The frame just fits lengthwise, such that I have to detach the rear
> derailer to have it lay flat.  The box has held up and the bike has made the
> trips just fine (except when Air France neglected to actually put it on the
> plane, but that's another story).
>
> Not sure how the Ram compares to the Bombadil, but this is what I have
> used.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>   I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any dedicated bike containers
> that would fit a 60cm. Bombadil ? ... (or any large and long bike)  There's
> always the boxes, but I'd rather use something more sturdy if i could.  I'm
> trying to figure something out for air travel. The frame height is no
> problem ... but the extra long wheelbase may be an issue for some
> containers. I have zero experience in air travel with a bike .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell on Grey's Anatomy

[Bruce Herbitter]

I agree. About as awful programming as I have ever tried to watch.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:56 AM, jinxed  wrote:

> I only made it 15 minutes into the show...had to turn it off.

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[RBW] Heading to Walnut Creek

[Kelly Sleeper]

Dawn (the wife) and I will be in Walnut Creek Oct 1st through Oct 5th if 
anyone would like to get together. 

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[RBW] I need "green" help! No not money or enviro-tips: the paint color "green"

[Derek Simmons]

After some repairs at the "factory" in Walnut Creek, I am having my
Rivendell Redwood repainted. I would love links to green painted Rivendells
IF there is also a picture link AND a name or code identifying the color of
green.  I've been on the Joe Bell website and I think there are around a
dozen colors called "green" with a "paint chip" the size of a stamp.
Frankly, even if the chip were really really big, I would find it hard to
choose a color I hadn't already seen used on a bike. By way of illustration
of my difficulty, the color of green on a Redwood is close to Gecko Green on
a VW Bug. But..you would never ever know that from looking at the
paint chip of Gecko Green online.
So..any and all "green" Rivendell help will be greatly appreciated.
Actually, if you have pics and codes of other "BOBish" bikes, that too would
be great.
Thanks
Derek Simmons

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[RBW] Re: Air Travel With a 60cm. Bombadil ... Or other large and long bikes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

UPS it ahead of time. Or better yet, Amtrak if the station locations work 
out. It will likely be cheaper than airline fees, and you can insure it 
against loss and damage. The biggest advantage is not having to lug a heavy, 
awkward package through a crowded airport, wrestle it onto public transit, 
into cabs, or your rental car.

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Re: [RBW] I need "green" help! No not money or enviro-tips: the paint color "green"

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 15:22 -0700, Derek Simmons wrote:
> After some repairs at the "factory" in Walnut Creek, I am having my
> Rivendell Redwood repainted. I would love links to green painted
> Rivendells IF there is also a picture link AND a name or code
> identifying the color of green.  

Fairway Green Metallic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/3522508913/in/set-72157617915097787/
This was a standard color for the Riv 650B Mixte.

> I've been on the Joe Bell website and I think there are around a dozen
> colors called "green" with a "paint chip" the size of a stamp.
> Frankly, even if the chip were really really big, I would find it hard
> to choose a color I hadn't already seen used on a bike. By way of
> illustration of my difficulty, the color of green on a Redwood is
> close to Gecko Green on a VW Bug. But..you would never ever
> know that from looking at the paint chip of Gecko Green online.
> So..any and all "green" Rivendell help will be greatly
> appreciated. Actually, if you have pics and codes of other "BOBish"
> bikes, that too would be great.

This Mercian is British Racing Green
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/images2/cc178-1Dscn1801.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Air Travel With a 60cm. Bombadil ... Or other large and long bikes

[dougP]

Garth:

I concur with Jim's suggestion.  I've shipped my 58 cm Atlantis quite
a bit.  Internationally, of course you need to deal with the airlines
but as noted above, non-US carriers are friendlier than US.  There are
also lots of code share flights so for instance Lufthansa may take
your bike, United wants a king's ransom, and it's the same flight.
Check carefully.  In the past, some non-US carriers accepted bikes
without boxing, just remove the pedals.

Within the US, no question about shipping ahead via ground.  UPS &
FedEx are comparable in both price & level of service (medicore to
acceptable).  I have limited experience with shipping via Amtrak but
it's worth a look.  My Atlantis runs around $75 to $90 per trip,
depending on distance & the whim of the carrier.

With a large frame, it is easy to exceed the UPS / Fed Ex dimension
limits & get into "oversize".  Currently that is 130" combined girth
plus length (2x width + 2x height + length).  The Crateworks box,
Ironcase, Performance, etc, most bike specific boxes are designed to
this limit.  I stenciled "11 x 29 x 48" on both sides of my box & have
not gotten any size arguments.

Airlines have a differenct measuring method that is I believe a simple
total of length + width + height, but that total may vary depending on
the carrier.  Check carefully.  Airlines are more concerned about
weight & I've run into a 50 lb limit which requires some thinking to
meet. A couple of years ago I used a friend's Crateworks box & wound
up with the pedals, cassette & chain in my luggage to squeak under the
50 lb limit.

Expect to have to take a lot of stuff off the bike.  I remove the RD
as a pre-caution.  On my 58 cm, both the mini-front rack and the big
back rack have to come off, h'bars (yey for cable splitters!), the
bottle cages on the DT, seat, it ain't pretty.  Allow plenty of time
for packing.

This summer, I boxed my bike for Amtrak & it's a huge box.  All that's
req'd is remove the pedals and turn the bars.  They say nothing else
in the box but the bike.  We traveled on the train so we just walked
on with panniers & front bags.  They have boxes at the station, but
check ahead.

Be careful:  once you start traveling with your bike, you won't be
able to leave home without it.

dougP

On Sep 23, 3:29 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> UPS it ahead of time. Or better yet, Amtrak if the station locations work
> out. It will likely be cheaper than airline fees, and you can insure it
> against loss and damage. The biggest advantage is not having to lug a heavy,
> awkward package through a crowded airport, wrestle it onto public transit,
> into cabs, or your rental car.

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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[dougP]

On of the most useful things for packing is the cargo net.  Stretchy
cord stuff of some kind, a hook at each corner.  For an S24O, 2
panniers hold everything but my comfy, cushy, sleeping pad, & that
gets lashed onto the rear rack with the cargo net.  Nets are also hand
for stuffing odd bits under them, such as a jacket if you don't want
to fuss with a bag.

dougP

On Sep 23, 10:27 am, Jay  wrote:
> One thing that has worked for me is to pack my tent poles separately
> from the rest of the tent. The tent can go in a pannier or saddle bag
> and the poles get lashed to whatever.
>
> Jay
>
> On Sep 23, 2:16 pm, "opa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very
> > helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make
> > out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't
> > close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and
> > a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small
> > tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone
> > nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I
> > discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation,
> > loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to
> > just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind
> > it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally
> > attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure
> > big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided
> > rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways,
> > not massive ugly knots etc.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Robert Opalko- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] I need "green" help! No not money or enviro-tips: the paint color "green"

[Derek Simmons]

Steve:
Thanks: you've gotten off to a great start with a couple of beautiful
examples. I left a comment on your Flickr site.
Anybody out there know the color of green on the "Emerald" Rivendell at this
Flickr link?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625808579123/comments/
Derek


On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 15:22 -0700, Derek Simmons wrote:
> > After some repairs at the "factory" in Walnut Creek, I am having my
> > Rivendell Redwood repainted. I would love links to green painted
> > Rivendells IF there is also a picture link AND a name or code
> > identifying the color of green.
>
> Fairway Green Metallic
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/3522508913/in/set-72157617915097787/
> This was a standard color for the Riv 650B Mixte.
>
> > I've been on the Joe Bell website and I think there are around a dozen
> > colors called "green" with a "paint chip" the size of a stamp.
> > Frankly, even if the chip were really really big, I would find it hard
> > to choose a color I hadn't already seen used on a bike. By way of
> > illustration of my difficulty, the color of green on a Redwood is
> > close to Gecko Green on a VW Bug. But..you would never ever
> > know that from looking at the paint chip of Gecko Green online.
> > So..any and all "green" Rivendell help will be greatly
> > appreciated. Actually, if you have pics and codes of other "BOBish"
> > bikes, that too would be great.
>
> This Mercian is British Racing Green
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/images2/cc178-1Dscn1801.jpg
> used on many MGs, Jaguars, etc.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[Way Rebb]

The blue tape is rim liner.  I took off the old liner, cleaned up the
rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of
blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers
don't do goofy things).

I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to
their web site which had an installation manual.

http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng

Regards,
Ray

On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed
> about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done -
> glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of
> the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?
>
> michael,
> keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up

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Re: [RBW] Heading to Walnut Creek

[René Sterental]

Are you interested in riding or just getting together?

I'm thinking that you could borrow a couple of bikes from RBW on Saturday
morning and we could all go for a ride. I wouldn't mind driving over with my
son. After tomorrow's S24O climb in Mt. Diablo, I'll either say never again
or will be eager to bring my son along so he can give it a no-pressure try.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[cyclotourist]

Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing
department...


On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb  wrote:

> The blue tape is rim liner.  I took off the old liner, cleaned up the
> rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of
> blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers
> don't do goofy things).
>
> I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to
> their web site which had an installation manual.
>
> http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng
>
> Regards,
> Ray
>
> On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> > OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still
> perplexed
> > about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done
> -
> > glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside
> of
> > the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?
> >
> > michael,
> > keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up
>
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Re: [RBW] Heading to Walnut Creek

[Anne Paulson]

 Rene, the climb on Mt Diablo isn't going to be a big hard thing.
You'll take your time, you'll make it, you'll have fun enjoying the
view and seeing the sun go down, it'll be great.

>  After tomorrow's S24O climb in Mt. Diablo, I'll either say never again
> or will be eager to bring my son along so he can give it a no-pressure try.

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[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[Way Rebb]

Oops, I meant to put a smily thing or an LOL after the engineer
comment. :)

On Sep 23, 6:43 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing
> department...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb  wrote:
> > The blue tape is rim liner.  I took off the old liner, cleaned up the
> > rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of
> > blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers
> > don't do goofy things).
>
> > I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to
> > their web site which had an installation manual.
>
> >http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng
>
> > Regards,
> > Ray
>
> > On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> > > OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still
> > perplexed
> > > about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done
> > -
> > > glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside
> > of
> > > the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?
>
> > > michael,
> > > keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up
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Re: [RBW] Heading to Walnut Creek

[René Sterental]

That is the plan!

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> Rene, the climb on Mt Diablo isn't going to be a big hard thing.
> You'll take your time, you'll make it, you'll have fun enjoying the
> view and seeing the sun go down, it'll be great.
>
>> After tomorrow's S24O climb in Mt. Diablo, I'll either say never again
>> or will be eager to bring my son along so he can give it a no-pressure try.
>
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Re: [RBW] Heading to Walnut Creek

[Kelly Sleeper]

Well we land at SFO at 10:00 and staying at mt diablo inn or something.  Yes we 
plan on riding..

Enjoy your ride since I doubt we can get there that fast.   You'll be fine

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[Manuel Acosta]

Learn how to tie some knots and bring some rope.


Previous trips

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623688777100/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623462389672/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623299331702/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626920932117/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627058327753/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627116871619/

Always a pre-ride pictures should be in the beginning.

-Manny

On Sep 23, 4:16 am, "opa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very
> helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make
> out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't
> close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and
> a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small
> tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone
> nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I
> discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation,
> loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to
> just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind
> it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally
> attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure
> big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided
> rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways,
> not massive ugly knots etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert Opalko

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