I had a 56 Sam.. and I've got an 84.5 pbh.. standover wasn't a problem on the 
Sam, and I'm long-waisted so the tt fit was pretty good too (i'm about 5'11).  
This was with 40mm Schwalbe Mara Supremes.

For comparison, a 52 Bombadil, 59 Canti-Rom, and a 58 SimpleOne all fit better 
than the 56 Sam.

best,
andrew

On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Peter M wrote:

> Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real
> standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a
> bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other
> people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a
> 58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to
> something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San
> Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass.
> Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks
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