[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[Michael Hechmer]

I have found that every system has some advantage.  Brifters for riding in 
heavy traffic; BE friction for touring; DT friction for pure joy riding; but 
my tandem has BE indexed because I'm too far away to hear it, although I 
find shifting the tandem with Shimano indexed pretty slow compared to the 
instantaneous reaction of my Ram. with DT friction.

michael 

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[RBW] Re: Climbing and the consequences

[Michael Hechmer]

The great thing about climbing is that every mountain has a top!  And you 
get to go downhill.

We did a short charity ride on the tandem over the weekend and the first 
half was all uphill, climbing 1300+ feet in fifteen miles of mostly dirt 
roads.  Tandems don't like going uphill and the 130 year old team isn't too 
good at it so we struggled to stay in contact with the peleton.  But we left 
the feed station with the leaders.  No one had a chance of staying with us 
on the downhill as we sat upright and coasted back to the start at 40 mph.   
My stoker was screaming all the way, only later did I realize it wasn't pure 
joy!

Now, riding into the wind seems to go on for ever, and when I turn around 
that dang wind seems to turn too.

michael 

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[RBW] Re: re: 2 top tubes - Y2TT plus (at the end of it) divisive cultural reference

[Garth]

I'm at a point in my life where I'm caring less and less about aesthetics of 
a bike. 2TT's seemed odd from afar . but after I got a Bombadil frame 
and loved the ride so much  I forgot about the second TT. . .  
.though it does make for a higher clamp position in my Park work stand which 
I really DO sing praises for every time it goes up there!! I'm still a bit 
choosy when it comes to color though .. lol. 

Really, once I ride a bike  I forget all the aesthetics  it's about 
the feel of the ride . and this is where the Bombadil takes me away to 
bliss!  Yeah  I get the traditional look of a bike(I'm about GP's age) 
. but so what  this is now... not 1975. The ride and fit of this 
bike is so far and above say ... my now sold 1983 Stumpjumper it's not even 
a comparison... the Riv beats it in every way ... well  except the the 
cool BB/chainstays that could take ANY chainring combo, road or mtb. 

The sloping tubes just seem great to me ... as they allow for higher bars 
without any aids or noodly high stems. The only reason people object is 
because they're used to a flat TT ... but who decided a flat TT was so 
perfect?  It was just a choice someone made and many followed that 
doesn't make it any more "right". Cyclists ... like all humans  can be 
so set in their ways!  Just because it was  means it always must be the 
same hmm  that feels like a boat anchor to me.  I love the 
creativity of the Riv designs  I'm sure they have even more creative 
ideas but they have to scale back because because of the conservative nature 
of the customers.  I relish the changes, and look forward to getting a 
Hunqapillar and maybe even a Sam :)

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[RBW] Re: WTT: olive Sackville small Trunksack for grid grey

[Brett Lindenbach]

Perhaps you have seen this?
I have no connection to the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290594376133&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Cheers,
BDL

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis

[Tim Whalen]

Dear Michael,

Very moving, thank you for telling the story.  I am sorry for your loss, and
the world's loss as obviously your daughter would have contributed a lot in
many ways.  Best of luck selling the Atlantis.

Tim Whalen

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Michael Lee  wrote:

> I don't mind sharing all I can. This forum was suggested to me by Mr. John
> Bennett from Rivendell Bicycle Works but I was a little shy and unsure with
> my first post. I am located 100 miles from a tree on the plains of eastern
> New Mexico. The only good thing about our location is if your dog runs away,
> you can watch it for a week. Clovis, New Mexico, not exactly the biking hub
> of the planet. I could have the bike packed semi-professionally packed or as
> I told one member, my wife and I wouldn't mind visiting Pullman, Wa again
> and delivering it to that area. We are also close to Santa Fe, Albuquerque,
> Taos, Lubbock, Amarillo and of course Roswell.
>
> Here is a newspaper link that tells some of  story.
> http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/33569
>
> As I said originally my only goal is for my daughter to continue to touch
> other lives and further her desire to help others. Grants from her
> fellowship will help fund Doctoral graduate students who share her goals of
> sustainable agriculture and improving world wide food security. First and
> foremost she was our daughter; she knitted, sewed and quilted with her
> mother, made me cookies, cobbler and called for automobile advice. In her
> spare time she was a scientist bent on changing the world. Washington State
> University gave a 24 year old's life a purpose. My purpose is to further her
> goals. This is not about money for me.
>
> I realize you only asked for me to share my location and hope I didn't
> share too much, but it was  therapeutic.
>
> Michael Lee
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Minh  wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Not sure where you are located, but if you share your location,
>> someone on the list may be able to meet you and help you with the
>> intricacies of sizing the bike and taking some pictures.  The folks
>> here are more interested about bikes selling at a fair price then in
>> absolute bargains.  And for a good cause i'm sure someone would be
>> willing to help.
>>
>> On Aug 1, 6:56 pm, Michael Lee  wrote:
>> > My daughter's pride and joy. She inherited from her Uncle. She lost a
>> > battle with cancer 12/31/2010, and I know little about this bike. I
>> > want the money to go to a fellowship established in her honor at
>> > Washington State University.
>> >
>> > Help me sell this for her. Please contact me for information and
>> > pictures. Ask me questions and tell me how to find the answers and
>> > I'll try. It has been suggested I sell it for $2500.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[cyclotourist]

Those are exactly what I have. No intention of ever removing them as they
work great for road biking.  I have bar ends on my trail bike as I don't
always want to take my hands off the bars on that one.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:

> I have 9 speed indexed Dura Ace downtube shifters on my AHH.  I like them a
> lot.  I had silver shifters on there before but I prefer the indexed Dura
> Ace.  My AHH is a 55cm.
>
> Dan Abelson
> St. Paul, MN
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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[Tim McNamara]

On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:27 PM, bicyclebill wrote:

> My Butler originally had Campy downtube shifters and, aside
> from the question of reach, they were extremely vague and had a mind
> of their own about shifting.

Campy friction downtube shifters *did* have a mind of their own about shifting 
and combined with the Nuovo/Super Record generation of derailleurs were rather 
vague.  It's really kind of astonishing they had the reputation they did and 
the death grip on the pro peloton and peloton wannabees that they did.  And for 
as long as they did.  The technology didn't change for about 25 years until Sun 
Tour came along with the slant parallelogram.

There's no need to apologize.  My generation of cyclists (50+) fetishized Campy 
Nuovo and Super Record, but that stuff frankly didn't really work all that 
well.  That said, I've still got my NR and SR derailleurs in a box in the 
basement and I ain't giving them up.  Hmmm, I may need to go check and see if 
they're OK before I go to work.

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[RBW] Re: Was gonna buy a Riv but didnt...

[stevep33]

I sold my Rambouillet and AHH.  I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset.  The
main improvement, IMO, is the lighter tubing which makes for a
livelier ride and the low trail geometry.  I am liking the plain-ness
of these TIG frames too.  That said, the lugged (Waterford-built)
Boulder frame would be my first choice for another lugged frame, and
it's a nice Riv alternative for 2k.

Custom bikes are unnecessary for me.  I have normal sizing, and there
are great off the shelf or semi-custom alternatives.  Just not worth
the extra time and money.  That said, if I did decide to go custom, a
Kirk fillet brazed frame or a Hampsten Strada Bianca would be at the
top of the list.  From what I hear David Kirk and Steve Hampsten are
both good to work with, and they make great bikes.

On Jul 21, 10:42 pm, cm  wrote:
> I read/heard/ imagined recently that lots of people who buy Rivendells then
> go on to buy a custom/semi-custom bike from another company-- in most cases
> something that is comparable to an existing Rivendell model. For instance
> buying a Kirk instead of a Rodeo or Custom. I was curious if there is any
> truth to this, if anyone out there will admit to it, and what the reasons
> are. Something to the tune of "I got a ___ instead of a Rivendell
> __ because ___".
>
> I got a Terraferma single speed instead of a Rivendell SimpleOne because I
> got tired of waiting.
>
> Cheers!
> cm

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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[stevep33]

I'm a DT shifter.  They work, they are simple, I like the look.  I've
gotten pretty good at shifting both levers at once with the right
hand, so DTs usually aren't a hassle.

That said, I have been thinking it would be nice to switch my rough
stuff bike to brifters, because DT shifting is a bit awkward when
riding tricky trails.  I'm impressed by the current generation of SRAM
brifters - a mega improvement from brifters of years ago.



On Aug 2, 6:27 pm, bicyclebill  wrote:
> This will probably get me a lot of flack but please keep in mind that
> one of my non-RBW bike is a Claud Butler, so I'm no enemy of
> tradition.  Having said that, I believe that each generation of
> shifters has represented evolution and that the state of the art has
> improved.  My Butler originally had Campy downtube shifters and, aside
> from the question of reach, they were extremely vague and had a mind
> of their own about shifting.  Before you get on me about adjustments,
> please know that in addition to my own efforts these were adjusted by
> very experienced mechanics including those at my LBS, Harris Cyclery.
>
> I then went to Campy bar ends and found the position much better but
> the shifting equally vague.  From there to Sun Tour bar ends and a
> whole new world!  Using them in friction mode (I've never tried them
> in indexed mode), these are still my favorites.  For a couple of
> years, I had a Cannondale touring bike with Shimano STI brifters and I
> have to say they were a pleasure.  I spend most of my time on the tops
> and on the hoods and the STI's were convenient, effective and very
> reliable.  While the STI indexing worked flawlessly, I still prefer
> friction and have thus resorted to bar ends on both the Butler (Sun
> Tour) and my Bleriot (Shimano).
>
> I've heard the arguments that if you're in Katmandu and your STI's
> break down, who's going to fix them.  Since the next time I'm in
> Katmandu will be the first time, that's a bridge I'm willing to cross
> later!
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I also have a Cervelo Soloist with
> Dure Ace STI shifters but that's a completely different story!
>
> On Aug 2, 2:31 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > I ride a 65cm, and the downtube shifters are right in the arcswing of
> > my arm if I bend my other elbow just a bit to lower myself. If one's
> > arm doesn't swing to the dt shifters, I wouldn't recommend using them
> > no matter what height they are. It may have to do with leg/torso/arm
> > proportions, but I don't think it's intrinsic to being tall.
>
> > I think it's a losing battle to ever encourage someone to switch to
> > dt's. Probably most new users in this era will be self-motivators who
> > will try it on their own, and some will stick with it. I like it
> > really well, but no one was gonna tell me to use such an elegantly
> > simple way to shift.
>
> > The only time that dt's make one's life demonstrably better is while
> > experimenting with stems and bars.
>
> > On Aug 2, 11:02 am, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
> > > Interesting question.  I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with
> > > DT shifter preferences.
>
> > > I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me
> > > uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for
> > > barend shifters.  I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders.
>
> > > -Rex
>
> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest  wrote:
> > > > Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), 
> > > > how
> > > > many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you
> > > > tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting 
> > > > system
> > > > that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs.
> > > > downtube friction would be welcome.
>
> > > > Thanks,  -- Forrest (Iowa City)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis

[René Sterental]

Thank you for posting the link to the article and sharing her Virginia's
story. Your loss is our loss. I hope you get a buyer for her Atlantis that
appreciates what it represents.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Lee  wrote:
> I don't mind sharing all I can. This forum was suggested to me by Mr. John
> Bennett from Rivendell Bicycle Works but I was a little shy and unsure with
> my first post. I am located 100 miles from a tree on the plains of eastern
> New Mexico. The only good thing about our location is if your dog runs away,
> you can watch it for a week. Clovis, New Mexico, not exactly the biking hub
> of the planet. I could have the bike packed semi-professionally packed or as
> I told one member, my wife and I wouldn't mind visiting Pullman, Wa again
> and delivering it to that area. We are also close to Santa Fe, Albuquerque,
> Taos, Lubbock, Amarillo and of course Roswell.
> Here is a newspaper link that tells some of
>  story. http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/33569
> As I said originally my only goal is for my daughter to continue to touch
> other lives and further her desire to help others. Grants from her
> fellowship will help fund Doctoral graduate students who share her goals of
> sustainable agriculture and improving world wide food security. First and
> foremost she was our daughter; she knitted, sewed and quilted with her
> mother, made me cookies, cobbler and called for automobile advice. In her
> spare time she was a scientist bent on changing the world. Washington State
> University gave a 24 year old's life a purpose. My purpose is to further her
> goals. This is not about money for me.
> I realize you only asked for me to share my location and hope I didn't share
> too much, but it was  therapeutic.
> Michael Lee
>

Michael,
 Thanks for the story - I hope this comes across as encouraging;

 1. Atlantises are generally easy to sell, they're a good bike with a
good reputation.
 2. Atlantises for a good cause even more so.

I don't think you'll struggle to sell this one.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Climbing and the consequences

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

This downhill had me hitting 42mph and averaging 30 on the
downhills... not too shabby for a single!

Would be hitting warp speed on a tandem!!!

On Aug 3, 4:03 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> The great thing about climbing is that every mountain has a top!  And you
> get to go downhill.
>
> We did a short charity ride on the tandem over the weekend and the first
> half was all uphill, climbing 1300+ feet in fifteen miles of mostly dirt
> roads.  Tandems don't like going uphill and the 130 year old team isn't too
> good at it so we struggled to stay in contact with the peleton.  But we left
> the feed station with the leaders.  No one had a chance of staying with us
> on the downhill as we sat upright and coasted back to the start at 40 mph.  
> My stoker was screaming all the way, only later did I realize it wasn't pure
> joy!
>
> Now, riding into the wind seems to go on for ever, and when I turn around
> that dang wind seems to turn too.
>
> michael

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[RBW] Re: WTB Wanted to Buy: Rivendell Nitto Mark's Rack / M-18 front rack

[dirk pitt]

I have / had one . I honestly can't remember if I still have it . I
barely used it but for some reason I think I may have sold it a year
or two ago. I'll look when I get home from work . If I still have it
I'll sell it. My goodness is my memory bad. I can't even remember if I
have a rack. Too many bike parts.


On Aug 1, 10:51 pm, the ill postino  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A long shot, I know, but my new-to-me Homer (hope to post pics soon!) needs
> a front rack.  Does any one have a used Mark's Rack (or the similar M18
> rack) they'd be willing to sell?
>
> If so, please let me know your asking price plus shipping to Chicago.
>
> I'm happy to just buy the rack, but for anyone interested in trades I have a
> few Riv-ish items I could factor in:
>
> - front and rear set of silver Tektro CR720 Cantilevers
> - Shimano 9 speed downtube shifters (Dura Ace 7700 9 Speed Bar end lever set
> without the bar end pods -- could also be used with Paul Thumbies or IRD /
> Velo Orange thumb shifter mounts).
> - Dia-Compe Mod 750 (62-78mm reach) center pull brakes, including Surly
> stainless steel rear cable hanger and Problem Solvers front clamp on cable
> hanger.
> - D&D Oberlauda "German Mirror" opened but unused in box.
> - Nitto Albatross Aluminum bar, 25.4 clamp
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nate

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was gonna buy a Riv but didnt...

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 07:18 -0700, stevep33 wrote:
> I sold my Rambouillet and AHH.  I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
> liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset.  The
> main improvement, IMO, is the lighter tubing which makes for a
> livelier ride and the low trail geometry.  I am liking the plain-ness
> of these TIG frames too.  That said, the lugged (Waterford-built)
> Boulder frame would be my first choice for another lugged frame, and
> it's a nice Riv alternative for 2k.
> 
> Custom bikes are unnecessary for me.  I have normal sizing, and there
> are great off the shelf or semi-custom alternatives.  Just not worth
> the extra time and money.  That said, if I did decide to go custom, a
> Kirk fillet brazed frame or a Hampsten Strada Bianca would be at the
> top of the list.  From what I hear David Kirk and Steve Hampsten are
> both good to work with, and they make great bikes.

And don't forget, custom geometry is an option on the Boulder frames.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[robert zeidler]

+1 on STI, and for that matter SPD also.  I have always heard you'll
damage STI in a crash, but I've never had that happen although
crashes, thank my personal deity, have been rare.  I have, however, a
box full of broken BE shifters, which now are used/given/lent as spare
parts, and are almost completely a result of 0 mph tip-overs or some
such.  If your in Litchfield, NE and your bike tips over while you
were taking a quick comfort break, and you BE snaps off, who's going
to fix it?  Yes eventually STI shifters do run the course of a useful
lifespan, but the journey is worth it.  Same goes for SPD's.  Once you
get a pair of shoes (SIDI's for example) dialed-in, there is nothing
better. The A520/530 are my own preference, but YMMV.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> I have found that every system has some advantage.  Brifters for riding in
> heavy traffic; BE friction for touring; DT friction for pure joy riding; but
> my tandem has BE indexed because I'm too far away to hear it, although I
> find shifting the tandem with Shimano indexed pretty slow compared to the
> instantaneous reaction of my Ram. with DT friction.
> michael
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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[csem]

You will love the tan lines on your feet.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 07:41 -0400, robert zeidler wrote:
> If your in Litchfield, NE and your bike tips over while you
> were taking a quick comfort break, and you BE snaps off, who's going
> to fix it?  

I've been using bar end shifters since 1974 or 1975, currently have them
on something like 6 or 7 bikes, and not only haven't had a BE snap off,
have neither seen it, nor ever have heard of it before.  And believe me,
I take plenty of "naturals," you could even call me Mr. Natural, alias
I. P. Everywhere.





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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[Mojo]

I have seen plenty of STI failure, but never bar ends

On Aug 3, 5:41 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> +1 on STI, and for that matter SPD also.  I have always heard you'll
> damage STI in a crash, but I've never had that happen although
> crashes, thank my personal deity, have been rare.  I have, however, a
> box full of broken BE shifters, which now are used/given/lent as spare
> parts, and are almost completely a result of 0 mph tip-overs or some
> such.  If your in Litchfield, NE and your bike tips over while you
> were taking a quick comfort break, and you BE snaps off, who's going
> to fix it?  Yes eventually STI shifters do run the course of a useful
> lifespan, but the journey is worth it.  Same goes for SPD's.  Once you
> get a pair of shoes (SIDI's for example) dialed-in, there is nothing
> better. The A520/530 are my own preference, but YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> > I have found that every system has some advantage.  Brifters for riding in
> > heavy traffic; BE friction for touring; DT friction for pure joy riding; but
> > my tandem has BE indexed because I'm too far away to hear it, although I
> > find shifting the tandem with Shimano indexed pretty slow compared to the
> > instantaneous reaction of my Ram. with DT friction.
> > michael
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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[Leslie]

My feet have Teva tan lines, but Chaco tan-lines aren't uncommon either.   
Hadn't had Birk lines, tho'

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[RBW] Re: Was gonna buy a Riv but didnt...

[stevep33]

It is, and it's a modest up-charge.
I shortened the top tube on my new 650b by a cm, but I think it was
actually unnecessary now that I have the bike.  This just confirms
that I don't need custom sizing.

All this said, Riv sets the bar very high in terms of getting the
details right every time, and Riv paint is second to none in
appearance and durability.  (Boulder paint is fine, nothing special).


On Aug 3, 1:19 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> And don't forget, custom geometry is an option on the Boulder frames.

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[Zack]

I really dislike riding in chacos, they are always too wide for me and 
strike the crank on the inside when I pedal.

Tried them with mks touring pedals and grip kings, they are a no go for me. 
 Super comfortable for walking around though.

Tevas + grip kings are my favorite for long rides.
Birks + grip kings are my favorite if I am going to be riding for a while 
and then walking around somewhere, tevas sort of suck for that.


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[RBW] 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[jinxed]

Just some curious observation on wheel size. 

I spent the years from @ 1989-2004 almost exclusively on 26" wheeled 
mountain bikes in the dirt. I dabbled a bit with road bikes, cruisers, 
folders, bmx bikes in there too, but for all intent I was a mountain biker.

Then I picked up a 700c cross bike that I would use for...well, cyclocross, 
but never much gave thought to doing "mountain biking" on mainly because I 
had a mountain bike to do that with.

Then my daughter was born and my cycling changed drastically. Not only was I 
riding mainly in town, but I had picked up my first Rivendell as well. My 
MTB collected dust, while I kept buying fatter and fatter tires and taking 
the Rivendell on more varied terrain. After riding the Hilsen shod with 45mm 
IRC knobbies on singletrack I sold the MTB.

That led me to thinking, or more to the point, eased my disdain for the 29er 
mountain bike craze, and I got another mountain specific cannondale 29er. 
Which I was honestly very surprised with, and enjoyed riding when I was able 
to make time for the trails. It really did feel smoother to me than the 
26"ers I had previously, but still mentally considered 26 as my first 
choice. Anyway, long story short, we were hurting for space and I acquired 
the nice mint condition 84 Rock Hopper that I slotted into the MTB spot in 
my mind and sold the Cannondale. How could I go wrong...26" wheels should 
feel like an old pair of jeans right?

Now we get to the point. Recently I have been riding off road more, and I 
came to a personal realization. After riding the fatty tired Hilsen back to 
back with the fatty tired Rock Hopper, I am solidly in the camp of enjoying 
the larger diameter wheels off road. 

I think the Rock hopper may be leaving the nest, and re-replaced with a 
rigid 29'er. Time to start looking for a Karate Monkey!!

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[RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I had a similar experience coming form 26" MTBs... had a B'stone MB2
for the 90's, then sold it when I ended up riding my then RB-T and
then my All-Rounder exclusively on the trails.  Decided I wanted to
get back into actual mountain biking and ended up with a Karate
Monkey.  What, a great bike!  Not a fan of the rear fork end/sliders
on it though... sucks hugely for field repair of a flat.  I might have
to trade it in for a Hunqapillar if a used one ever comes up on the
market.

On Aug 3, 1:27 pm, jinxed  wrote:
> Just some curious observation on wheel size.
>
> I spent the years from @ 1989-2004 almost exclusively on 26" wheeled
> mountain bikes in the dirt. I dabbled a bit with road bikes, cruisers,
> folders, bmx bikes in there too, but for all intent I was a mountain biker.
>
> Then I picked up a 700c cross bike that I would use for...well, cyclocross,
> but never much gave thought to doing "mountain biking" on mainly because I
> had a mountain bike to do that with.
>
> Then my daughter was born and my cycling changed drastically. Not only was I
> riding mainly in town, but I had picked up my first Rivendell as well. My
> MTB collected dust, while I kept buying fatter and fatter tires and taking
> the Rivendell on more varied terrain. After riding the Hilsen shod with 45mm
> IRC knobbies on singletrack I sold the MTB.
>
> That led me to thinking, or more to the point, eased my disdain for the 29er
> mountain bike craze, and I got another mountain specific cannondale 29er.
> Which I was honestly very surprised with, and enjoyed riding when I was able
> to make time for the trails. It really did feel smoother to me than the
> 26"ers I had previously, but still mentally considered 26 as my first
> choice. Anyway, long story short, we were hurting for space and I acquired
> the nice mint condition 84 Rock Hopper that I slotted into the MTB spot in
> my mind and sold the Cannondale. How could I go wrong...26" wheels should
> feel like an old pair of jeans right?
>
> Now we get to the point. Recently I have been riding off road more, and I
> came to a personal realization. After riding the fatty tired Hilsen back to
> back with the fatty tired Rock Hopper, I am solidly in the camp of enjoying
> the larger diameter wheels off road.
>
> I think the Rock hopper may be leaving the nest, and re-replaced with a
> rigid 29'er. Time to start looking for a Karate Monkey!!

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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[Michael Hechmer]

This thread seems to have divided into two parts, but I want to respond to 
both.

I have broken two pairs of Ultegra STI shifters in crashes, fortunately not 
irreparably so.  The first one went down hard on a dirt road and was so 
filled with dirt it would not work.  I needed to flush nearly a whole bottle 
of wd 40 through them to clean them out.  The second was an endo through an 
old style parallel sewer grate, which cracked both of the little plastic 
caps and Shimano charged an ungodly amount for replacements.  I have crashed 
with BE and never had any problem, in fact it's hard to think what could 
break.

Unrelated, I used Campy NR DT shifters and then the first version of Chorus 
DT 7 spd shifters and I never found them "vague".  Both of those, mated to 
Campy derailleurs had a very definite overshift, which requires a very 
slight backing up with the shifter.  Once mastered it was second nature.

michael

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[RBW] Re: Strange Weather

[Karl M]

I could take a little of that.

Here in sunny Austin Texas we've had about 50 days over 100 degrees so
far and may break the record of 69 days set two years ago.  Last night
it didn't drop below 100 until after 8pm and it's generally 80 degrees
by about 7am.  And, we're about 10 inches behind on rainfall for the
year with a total still below 10 inches.

Makes keeping your miles up something of a challenge...

Karl

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[RBW] Re: ebay Rodeo

[Scotty]

Same seller is selling a pretty cool belt drive Co-Motion bike too.  Im not 
sold on the belt drive thing but interesting and pretty bike to look at.

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[RBW] I (heart) 2 TT

[John Bennett]

Created by a customer, not us...but who are *we* to disagree?

http://www.cafepress.com/DoubleTopTubesRule

Cheers,

John at RB(TT)W HQ, WC, CA

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[RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[Leslie]

650B!


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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Leslie]

Awesome sauce!

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis

[Justin August]

Hi
Perhaps Riv can look up the dimensions based onthe serial number? If
you take some pictures we can help too.

Also - I am 30 and just lost my younger brother one month and six days
ago. He was 27. I know what my parents are going through and I know
that it isn't easy. Be strong and keep sharing and talking. Much love
from Philadelphia. depending on how tall your daughter was, it could
easily end up here.

-Justin

On Aug 3, 11:28 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Lee  wrote:
> > I don't mind sharing all I can. This forum was suggested to me by Mr. John
> > Bennett from Rivendell Bicycle Works but I was a little shy and unsure with
> > my first post. I am located 100 miles from a tree on the plains of eastern
> > New Mexico. The only good thing about our location is if your dog runs away,
> > you can watch it for a week. Clovis, New Mexico, not exactly the biking hub
> > of the planet. I could have the bike packed semi-professionally packed or as
> > I told one member, my wife and I wouldn't mind visiting Pullman, Wa again
> > and delivering it to that area. We are also close to Santa Fe, Albuquerque,
> > Taos, Lubbock, Amarillo and of course Roswell.
> > Here is a newspaper link that tells some of
> >  story. http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/33569
> > As I said originally my only goal is for my daughter to continue to touch
> > other lives and further her desire to help others. Grants from her
> > fellowship will help fund Doctoral graduate students who share her goals of
> > sustainable agriculture and improving world wide food security. First and
> > foremost she was our daughter; she knitted, sewed and quilted with her
> > mother, made me cookies, cobbler and called for automobile advice. In her
> > spare time she was a scientist bent on changing the world. Washington State
> > University gave a 24 year old's life a purpose. My purpose is to further her
> > goals. This is not about money for me.
> > I realize you only asked for me to share my location and hope I didn't share
> > too much, but it was  therapeutic.
> > Michael Lee
>
> Michael,
>  Thanks for the story - I hope this comes across as encouraging;
>
>  1. Atlantises are generally easy to sell, they're a good bike with a
> good reputation.
>  2. Atlantises for a good cause even more so.
>
> I don't think you'll struggle to sell this one.
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Zack]

i had to do SOMETHING while I was waiting for my 64cm Sam!  Glad you guys 
get a kick out of it.  I certainly did when I was making it, particularly 
when I was selecting the stuff that could be purchased. ahahah.

good times.  

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Aaron Thomas]

Will proceeds be donated to one of Rivendell's charities?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[cyclotourist]

If I were starting over in the bike thing, I would have all 650b.  As it is,
I'm pretty financially committed to 700C...

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Leslie  wrote:

> 650B!
>
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improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[EricP]

Have run into an interesting issue with Teva sandals and Grip Kings.
On longer rides, the toes on my right foot will go numb.  Figure I'm
trying to curl them as I ride.  Doesn't seem to be an issue in Keens
or on sneaker pedals.  Just that particular combo on longer rides.

Will no longer be an issue as am pulling the GKs off that bike and
installing sneaker pedals.  Figure to go with what works.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 3, 3:02 pm, Zack  wrote:
> I really dislike riding in chacos, they are always too wide for me and
> strike the crank on the inside when I pedal.
>
> Tried them with mks touring pedals and grip kings, they are a no go for me.
>  Super comfortable for walking around though.
>
> Tevas + grip kings are my favorite for long rides.
> Birks + grip kings are my favorite if I am going to be riding for a while
> and then walking around somewhere, tevas sort of suck for that.

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[RBW] Re: S36O Minnesota to Wisconsin

[EricP]

Strangely enough, this is only showing up on the "old" Google Groups
page.  Not the new version.

Oh, and thanks to list admin Jim for getting it out of limbo.

(Yes, this is just a cheap attempt to see if it will show up in the
new groups.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 1, 7:33 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Spent the weekend riding with a bunch of folks from the Twin Cities
> (Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota) over to Dave's Brewfarm in
> Wilson, Wisconsin for overnight camping/party.  Besides my Sam
> Hillborne, list member Shaun M. was on his 68cm Atlantis.  All in all
> there were about 20 bikes.  Everything from go-fast bikes to Jim
> Thill's frankentandem to a really fast rider on a Salsa Mukluk(!)
> Round trip was between 110 and 120 miles.  Actual speed was quite
> modest for some of us.  Both to savor the scenery and because it was
> hot and (extremely) humid both days.
>
> Most riders took advantage of friends driving over or the official sag
> wagon to haul camping gear and extra food.  To say we ate like royalty
> at the destination is an understatement.  Oh, and yes, there was quite
> a bit of excellent beer to be had as well.  At least for those of us
> who do not mind imbibing in that liquid.
>
> One of the highlights for myself was sitting around with some other
> folks and playing music.  Didn't bring an instrument along, but one of
> the other musicians let me use both her guitar and ukulele.  We were
> able to jam on a couple of tunes.  Believe me, playing a solo on an
> unfamiliar tune on a ukulele is not easy.  Great fun, though.  And she
> did a nice job of backup on banjo while I flatpicked a couple of tunes
> that were not familiar to her.
>
> Also want to give a public thanks to Grant.  In an e-mail exchange a
> little while ago he recommended the Eureka Spitfire tent.  This was my
> first experience with it and it's a winner.  Lots of room to hold me
> and gear and still room to stretch out or sit up.  Easiest clothing
> change in a tent I've had in ages.  And the tent withstood the storm
> that developed that evening.  Again, great tent.
>
> Some photos here -http://tinyurl.com/3hjnlzx
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Borralumin Laterale Randonneuse, c.1948

[Don Genovese]

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[Robert F. Harrison]

I just rode RAGBRAI with exactly that combination (GK + Tevas) and had no
ill effects. It really just shows how different we all are.

I do wish I'd had something with toe protection in our tent city though as I
tore a toenail on a stake during a late night kybo run.

Aloha
On Aug 3, 2011 2:56 PM, "EricP"  wrote:
> Have run into an interesting issue with Teva sandals and Grip Kings.
> On longer rides, the toes on my right foot will go numb. Figure I'm
> trying to curl them as I ride. Doesn't seem to be an issue in Keens
> or on sneaker pedals. Just that particular combo on longer rides.
>
> Will no longer be an issue as am pulling the GKs off that bike and
> installing sneaker pedals. Figure to go with what works.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Aug 3, 3:02 pm, Zack  wrote:
>> I really dislike riding in chacos, they are always too wide for me and
>> strike the crank on the inside when I pedal.
>>
>> Tried them with mks touring pedals and grip kings, they are a no go for
me.
>>  Super comfortable for walking around though.
>>
>> Tevas + grip kings are my favorite for long rides.
>> Birks + grip kings are my favorite if I am going to be riding for a while
>> and then walking around somewhere, tevas sort of suck for that.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 17:55 -0700, cyclotourist wrote:
> If I were starting over in the bike thing, I would have all 650b.  As
> it is, I'm pretty financially committed to 700C...


Maybe so now, but most ardent 650B fans were equally committed to 700C
at one time.





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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[cyclotourist]

Hmmm, must ponder the implications of that...


On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 17:55 -0700, cyclotourist wrote:
> > If I were starting over in the bike thing, I would have all 650b.  As
> > it is, I'm pretty financially committed to 700C...
>
>
> Maybe so now, but most ardent 650B fans were equally committed to 700C
> at one time.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[William]

THAT is freaking hysterical.  Take, THAT, you haters!

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[RBW] Fishy Betty

[grant]

The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
interesting-

One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike
for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by
the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and
all good:

-- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
-- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least
bit shady
-- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work
performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when
she dropped off bike etc.

We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought
from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it
down. I think we'll be able to.

The repurchase price was $600.

If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like,
the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the
loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If
he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a bit-
o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.

If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep
the bike.

If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some
happy thing for her.

On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a
thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they
said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.

May have an update, not sure. later.

Grant

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[RBW] Re: Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

[Rex Kerr]

Thanks to everybody who gave input...

I finally got around to doing something about the poor shifting.  After a
particularly frustrating commute this morning I pulled it apart during a
break at work and:

* removed one chain link + set of side plates to increase chain tension
* retracted the b-limit screw a few turns
* swapped the floating & non-floating pullies in the r-der

Not sure which of these helped the most, or if it truly is a combination of
those three, but it shifted MUCH better on the way home.  That said, it
really looks (to me and a co-worker who's a former bike shop mechanic) like
the hanger might be slightly out of alignment, so I might drop in to a local
shop to see if they have an alignment gauge to check it out -- I just need
to find a shop that I trust. :-)

-Rex

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

[Leslie]

Hopefully it wasn't shady, just a bit unfortunate luck for some gal;  who 
might just be lucky and see a friend return... that'd be cool! 

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Re: [RBW] Fishy Betty

[David Faller]

This is "Rivendell Reader" material.

On 8/3/2011 7:45 PM, grant wrote:

The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
interesting-

One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike
for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by
the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and
all good:

-- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
-- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least
bit shady
-- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work
performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when
she dropped off bike etc.

We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought
from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it
down. I think we'll be able to.

The repurchase price was $600.

If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like,
the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the
loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If
he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a bit-
o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.

If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep
the bike.

If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some
happy thing for her.

On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a
thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they
said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.

May have an update, not sure. later.

Grant



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Re: [RBW] Re: Was gonna buy a Riv but didnt...

[Dan Abelson]

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, stevep33  wrote:

> I sold my Rambouillet and AHH.  I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
> liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset.
>

You can count me as someone who has benefited from those who have chosen
something other than a riv.  I bought Steve's AHH and I am enjoying it
immensely.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Well, I decided.

First, I should address the "why" more clearly. Primarily, sheet redundancy. 
Secondarily (a close second), the ability to keep one bike shod with studded 
tires through the winter. Thirdly (distant third), have two different 
"arrangements" available at any one time, for those unexpected riding 
opportunities and quirky ad hoc preferences. That is, sometimes you just wanna 
ride Bullmoose, no matter what you've got set up or what you'll need the next 
day! This would at least enable that.

Now, honestly... either the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne would provide 
sufficient redundancy. The fact that the Hillborne is a pure duplicate doesn't 
really matter with respect to redundancy. And I could put studded tires and any 
of my cockpits and racks and baskets and bags on either bike; so reasons two 
and three were also satisfied by either Hill or Hunqapillar.

But... the Hunqapillar's sizing just would not work. The 58 would pose issues 
for getting the bars as high ad I like them. The 62 would be a challenge to 
straddle comfortably, which I do often as a commuter waiting for lights and 
what-not and when riding with my family.

So another 60cm canti-studded double-top-tube Hillborne is on lay-away for 
delivery early next year. Green, this time. The recent July e-mail update 
picture is a very flattering depiction of that green. If it looks like that in 
person, I'll be thrilled.

Thanks for the info and opinions and questions; they all helge me think this 
through.

I already know exactly how I'll build it. I'll do some side-by-side photos when 
it's all set.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Michael_S]

I'm sure that 99.999% of the population would read this differently than 
double top tubes. just say it as it reads and you can figure out the rest.
 
BTW... I only like the diagonal doubles, the parallel design, regardless of 
the structural significance, is uh... ungainly.  
 
~mike

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Zack]

Consider it done, whatever meager proceeds come out of it will be donated to 
the fistula foundation (cafepress takes the lion's share of the revenue off 
the top).  

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

[Mojo]

This is why I buy from Rivendell.
Your good folks!
I appreciate all of your efforts.

On Aug 3, 7:45 pm, grant  wrote:
> The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
> interesting-
>
> One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike
> for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by
> the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and
> all good:
>
> -- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
> -- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least
> bit shady
> -- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work
> performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when
> she dropped off bike etc.
>
> We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought
> from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it
> down. I think we'll be able to.
>
> The repurchase price was $600.
>
> If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like,
> the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the
> loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If
> he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a bit-
> o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.
>
> If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep
> the bike.
>
> If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some
> happy thing for her.
>
> On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a
> thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they
> said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.
>
> May have an update, not sure. later.
>
> Grant

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Zack]

(also, it was really just a joke, because i found another thread over on the 
ibob group last night exhaustively and passionately debating the structural 
and aesthetic merits of the 2TT, and thought that people seem to be taking 
the whole thing a bit too seriously.)

it actually didn't really work over on the ibob group, reactions ranged from 
"I don't understand what this means" to "Someone has too much time on their 
hands." 

100% of the population would probably not buy a "I Heart 2TT" thong even if 
they knew what 2 TT meant.  ahahah.

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

[Joe Bernard]

This story would be a lot happier without "construction guy takes crying 
girl's bike". How 'bout giving Crying Girl a payment plan, arsehole..
 
Joe "I'll take it, then BS people on Craigslist" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[cyclotourist]

But it's appreciated over in this end of the internets!


On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Zack  wrote:

> (also, it was really just a joke, because i found another thread over on
> the ibob group last night exhaustively and passionately debating the
> structural and aesthetic merits of the 2TT, and thought that people seem to
> be taking the whole thing a bit too seriously.)
>
> it actually didn't really work over on the ibob group, reactions ranged
> from "I don't understand what this means" to "Someone has too much time on
> their hands."
>
> 100% of the population would probably not buy a "I Heart 2TT" thong even if
> they knew what 2 TT meant.  ahahah.
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Re: [RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Aaron Thomas]

Indeed it is.

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[RBW] Riv Branding

[Rex Kerr]

While riding home today I had somebody catch up with me and comment on my
bike, asking if it was a Riv.  Interestingly, he's been the first to not ask
what an AHH was.

Most bike companies put their brand on the downtube and the model on the
top-tube, but Riv seems to go against the grain (something they NEVER do in
any other aspect!!) and put the model name in big letters, but leave the
company name relatively obscure.

I'm curious... it seems that there'd be some value to Riv to have their name
quite prominently displayed, and I know I wouldn't object to it.  Anybody
know why their bikes deviate from the normal practice?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:18 AM, csem  wrote:

> You will love the tan lines on your feet.
>
>
I love the Z lines on my Chaco shod feet. :-)

I hear a lot of complaints about riding in Chacos due to the width.  I've
noticed the same, but I tend to pedal heel out, so I assumed that it was the
same problem that I have in all shoes (I ride extra long spindles, special
ordered, on my Frog pedals).  I was actually thinking of ordering some "knee
saver" spacers to make more room for this very reason so that I could give
flat pedals another go...

That said, I rode almost 10 miles on the touring pedals that Riv sells with
power grips in my Chaco sandals last weekend and they worked out quite well,
even without the spacers, so it might have just been a matter of
becoming accustomed to the difference...

-Rex

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

[Rex Kerr]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, erik jensen  wrote:

> Otherwise, can agree that we should *meet at 3pm on September 24th at
> Walnut Creek BART and head up the hill from there to Juniper Camp? *get
> there later or earlier, but we'll see you at juniper on way or the other.
>

I don't know the area, but that appears to be about a 5% grade for 10 miles?
 Perhaps I have the wrong location of the campground?  How far is it?  How
much climbing?

I'm tempted, but my AHH isn't set up for carrying much -- I wasn't planning
to use it for camping, that's what my Trek is for.  Perhaps I should just
break down and get that front rack. :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

[Joe Bunik]

3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 8/3/11, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
>
>> Otherwise, can agree that we should *meet at 3pm on September 24th at
>> Walnut Creek BART and head up the hill from there to Juniper Camp? *get
>> there later or earlier, but we'll see you at juniper on way or the other.
>>
>
> I don't know the area, but that appears to be about a 5% grade for 10 miles?
>  Perhaps I have the wrong location of the campground?  How far is it?  How
> much climbing?
>
> I'm tempted, but my AHH isn't set up for carrying much -- I wasn't planning
> to use it for camping, that's what my Trek is for.  Perhaps I should just
> break down and get that front rack. :-)
>
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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[velomann]

Over a period of 40+ years and tens of thousands of bike miles on all
kinds of rigs and several good hard crashes, I have had 2 irreparable
shifter failures. The first was my Shimano 600 downtube shifters
(right 6-speed) the notches for indexing simply wore out. Thought I
have to admit I was living in a cascade rainforest at the time and
driving to work, so a lot of my riding on this bike was on rollers and
the downtube shifters  (and headset and stem bolt) ended up with salt
corrosion from my sweat, so I think that contributed. But I also hear
these particular shifters were prone to failure. The second failure
was last year when my front 105 brifter died in the middle of a cross
race.I tried flushing with copious amounts of Triflow and all kinds of
tricks, but the catch mechanism was simply broke. Again, I've heard
from others that this particular Shimano 105 "double/triple" left
brifter fails commonly. All in all, like many things bike related, I'm
mostly amazed at how well even inexpensive components continue to
perform.

On Aug 3, 2:29 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> This thread seems to have divided into two parts, but I want to respond to
> both.
>
> I have broken two pairs of Ultegra STI shifters in crashes, fortunately not
> irreparably so.  The first one went down hard on a dirt road and was so
> filled with dirt it would not work.  I needed to flush nearly a whole bottle
> of wd 40 through them to clean them out.  The second was an endo through an
> old style parallel sewer grate, which cracked both of the little plastic
> caps and Shimano charged an ungodly amount for replacements.  I have crashed
> with BE and never had any problem, in fact it's hard to think what could
> break.
>
> Unrelated, I used Campy NR DT shifters and then the first version of Chorus
> DT 7 spd shifters and I never found them "vague".  Both of those, mated to
> Campy derailleurs had a very definite overshift, which requires a very
> slight backing up with the shifter.  Once mastered it was second nature.
>
> michael

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

[Joe Bernard]

My assumption is that it is the result of "Rivendell" - the original 
production models from Waterford - becoming the high-end customs, so they 
needed a way to differentiate the production Atlantis from the customs, then 
kept at the practice as they became more of a "production bike" company 
again. I personally dislike this approach. I owned a Romulus, and never 
liked the name much. I always wished that it was a "Rivendell", with the 
model name in smaller letters on the toptube. 
 
I can see the problem, though. In the early '90s Schwinn established a 
road-and-MTB line called "Paramount", while still producing custom high-end 
Paramount road bikes. That probably pissed a lot of "real Paramount" owners 
off, and still causes a mess on Craigslist. 
 
Sooo..I don't really like the practice, but can't think of a way around it. 
Helpful, no?
 
Joe "helpful, no" Bernard
Fairfield, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential

[René Sterental]

Right on!!!

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean
 wrote:

> Well, I decided.
>
> First, I should address the "why" more clearly. Primarily, sheet redundancy. 
> Secondarily (a close second), the ability to keep one bike shod with studded 
> tires through the winter. Thirdly (distant third), have two different 
> "arrangements" available at any one time, for those unexpected riding 
> opportunities and quirky ad hoc preferences. That is, sometimes you just 
> wanna ride Bullmoose, no matter what you've got set up or what you'll need 
> the next day! This would at least enable that.
>
> Now, honestly... either the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne would provide 
> sufficient redundancy. The fact that the Hillborne is a pure duplicate 
> doesn't really matter with respect to redundancy. And I could put studded 
> tires and any of my cockpits and racks and baskets and bags on either bike; 
> so reasons two and three were also satisfied by either Hill or Hunqapillar.
>
> But... the Hunqapillar's sizing just would not work. The 58 would pose issues 
> for getting the bars as high ad I like them. The 62 would be a challenge to 
> straddle comfortably, which I do often as a commuter waiting for lights and 
> what-not and when riding with my family.
>
> So another 60cm canti-studded double-top-tube Hillborne is on lay-away for 
> delivery early next year. Green, this time. The recent July e-mail update 
> picture is a very flattering depiction of that green. If it looks like that 
> in person, I'll be thrilled.
>
> Thanks for the info and opinions and questions; they all helge me think this 
> through.
>
> I already know exactly how I'll build it. I'll do some side-by-side photos 
> when it's all set.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
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[RBW] Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

[danmc]

Very happy new owner getting outfitted for trip from SF to Inverness
in Marin this weekend. The color was a deep blue with a touch of
green. The bike looked great! Should have snapped a picture but maybe
someone at RBW HQ did?

Always a great visit. Offers to share lunch and lots of great bikes.
Got the headset spacers I need to keep moving on the Heron Wayfarer
rebirth - thanks Mark!


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[RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

[brian tester]

The Hunqapillar definitely turned me on to the bigger wheels concept
for mtb-ing. I wasn't expecting to like it as much, but the big wheels
do roll nicely over rough ground. You get a pretty large contact patch
to stick to things with.

-Brian

On Aug 3, 5:55 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> If I were starting over in the bike thing, I would have all 650b.  As it is,
> I'm pretty financially committed to 700C...
>
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> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Leslie  wrote:
> > 650B!
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> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: I (heart) 2 TT

[Ryan J]

I hope those are wool boxer briefs!

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[RBW] Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

[Ryan J]

I was wondering if any of the members here have had experiences with the 
Phil Rivy freewheel hubs.  I was thinking about getting a set for my 650b 
Sam Hillborne instead of using shimano cassette wheels.  Never had much of a 
problem with freewheels in the past, but I don't have any experience with 
Phil hubs.  They have a good reputation, anything to look out for?  Anybody 
question my sanity of going with a freewheel instead of a cassette hub?  I 
really like the looks of the hubs.  Thanks.

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