[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs AHH. Your thoughts?

2010-12-09 Thread Kentileguy
Wow , that clearcoat is nice. May I ask what your saddle height is ?

On Dec 8, 10:16 pm, kps  wrote:
> Since you are asking for photos, here's my 57cm RodeoI love
> mineNo color...just
> Raw steel with clear coat...good luck with your choice!
> Kps
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16848...@n03/sets/72157623773112005/

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs AHH. Your thoughts?

2010-12-09 Thread kps
I love the clearcoat.  Need to post a couple new photos, as I have
rotated (forward) and lowered the bars a bit, switched backnto my
Brooks finesse saddle, and swapped pedals. I also had a good fitting
done locally, and I we changed the saddle height a bit.  Fits great.
My height is a tad over 5' 8-1/2", and mt pbh is 84.55.  My saddle
height is in the 74.5-75 range depending on shoes/pedals.  It's 74.5
on the Roadeo.  oh, I almost forgot...I am running JB Greens now.
Absolutely love them.  Cushy and speedy!  Will add new photos of the
bike today, if I can grab some time.

On Dec 9, 4:39 am, Kentileguy  wrote:
> Wow , that clearcoat is nice. May I ask what your saddle height is ?
>
> On Dec 8, 10:16 pm, kps  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Since you are asking for photos, here's my 57cm RodeoI love
> > mineNo color...just
> > Raw steel with clear coat...good luck with your choice!
> > Kps
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/16848...@n03/sets/72157623773112005/

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Pesce
Every time I think I need a new Riv (and then acknowledge, yet again,
that I can't afford one) I realize that I could get most of what I
think I want in a new bike with a tire and/or cockpit swap on my Sam.
Gotta love it. (Though maybe not so good for Riv's bottom line! They
should start making more one trick ponys)

-Pete

On Dec 9, 2:37 am, Allan in Portland  wrote:
> I know I said not to tell, but was the color what settled it for
> you? :-) Price sure is nice.
>
> Enjoy!
> -Allan
>
> On Dec 8, 2:08 pm, jim phillips  wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys! I have the answer! I am getting the bikes in the following 
> > order:
>
> > Sam Hillborne
>
> > A.Homer Hilson
>
> > Roadeo
>
> > Atlantis
>
> > After that ...
>
> > Thanks again!
>
> > best,
>
> > JimP
>
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:57:52 -0800
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?
> > > From: montclairbob...@gmail.com
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > ...Make it easy-just get one of each! ...
>
> > > THAT is the best answer so far
>
> > > Actually, this would make for a nice test... Assemble a blue ribbon
> > > panel of riders (of varying size and weights, riding preferences and
> > > styles), each performing a comparison ride of all the Rivs while
> > > testing them over the varied terrain at JimP's place (hope it's no
> > > imposition, Jim...).  Each rider would ride each bike over the same
> > > course and do a write up of each ride; not to declare one better than
> > > the other; rather to describe the ride characteristics of each.
>
> > > Maybe we'll attempt a less-formal version of this at Riv Rally East in
> > > May...
>
> > > BB
>
> > > On Dec 8, 4:13 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > > > Make it easy-just get one of each!
>
> > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Michael DiBenedetto
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Alan-
> > > > > Great insights-
> > > > > After too much reading, thinking, questing, that is exactly what I 
> > > > > did -
> > > > > chose the Hunq as my one all-rounder for comfort AND style - not 
> > > > > trying to
> > > > > figure out the PERFECT ride to suit all those SPECIFIC needs.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Michael D.
> > > > > Walnut Creek
>
> > > > > Michael DiBenedetto
> > > > >www.lifeforcemassage.com
> > > > > 3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
> > > > > Lafayette, CA. 94549
> > > > > 925-899-2785
>
> > > > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Allan in Portland 
> > > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Surface, which you've mentioned is one consideration. Speed and 
> > > > > > weight
> > > > > > (both yours and gear) are the others.
>
> > > > > > And here's the somewhat boring truth: unless you are extreme in 
> > > > > > weight
> > > > > > or speed, or a bicycle connoisseur (and in which case you wouldn't 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > asking on a list-serve in the first place) any Riv will do 
> > > > > > admirably.
> > > > > > When it comes down to it, feel free to pick based on color, just 
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > tell any of the folks here that. :-)
>
> > > > > > The irony is kind of funny that some folks mock cyclists that think
> > > > > > they need just the right foot gear or what-have-you, and yet split
> > > > > > hairs on frames and handlebars all the same. Not saying there's not 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > difference among frames or handlebars, but sometimes us systemizer-
> > > > > > maximizer types can get carried away.
>
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Allan
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Atlantis, Complete Bike

2010-12-09 Thread mkrbec
Thanks Mike..  I am still going to hold out hope of selling the whole
bike, but if no one pulls the trigger by the end of the year I may
decide to part it out.  I do have quite a few people interested in the
wheels, so maybe I will end up breaking it up.

I'll keep you posted.

Best,
Matthew


On Dec 8, 4:14 pm, Mike  wrote:
> I remain very interested in the frame but understand your reluctance
> to part it out. Unfortunately I just can't swing the whole bike at
> this time.
>
> --mike
>
> On Dec 8, 8:16 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:> Cost, build, pics?
>
> > Joe Bartoe
>
> > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.www.synapticcycles.com
>
> > 949-374-6079
>
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:58:05 -0800
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Atlantis, Complete Bike
> > > From: mkr...@gmail.com
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Just wanted to bump this up.  The bike is still available.
>
> > > -Matthew
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RE: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?

2010-12-09 Thread jim phillips

Yes, color primarily :^) Luckily the Hillborne only comes in one standard color 
now. After seeing Velouria's Sam on her blog "Lovely Bicycles" I knew I wanted 
one. 
 
The Roadeo does seem to be  different in that it is primarily made for speed 
and, who can resist a Homer? Gorgeous blue!
 
I guess it's OK to own more than one Rivendell and I can see I am headed that 
way!
 
best,
 
Jim
 

 
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:37:43 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?
> From: allan_f...@aracnet.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> I know I said not to tell, but was the color what settled it for
> you? :-) Price sure is nice.
> 
> Enjoy!
> -Allan
> 
> On Dec 8, 2:08 pm, jim phillips  wrote:
> > Thanks guys! I have the answer! I am getting the bikes in the following 
> > order:
> >
> > Sam Hillborne
> >
> > A.Homer Hilson
> >
> > Roadeo
> >
> > Atlantis
> >
> > After that ...
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > best,
> >
> > JimP
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:57:52 -0800
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?
> > > From: montclairbob...@gmail.com
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >
> > > ...Make it easy-just get one of each! ...
> >
> > > THAT is the best answer so far
> >
> > > Actually, this would make for a nice test... Assemble a blue ribbon
> > > panel of riders (of varying size and weights, riding preferences and
> > > styles), each performing a comparison ride of all the Rivs while
> > > testing them over the varied terrain at JimP's place (hope it's no
> > > imposition, Jim...).  Each rider would ride each bike over the same
> > > course and do a write up of each ride; not to declare one better than
> > > the other; rather to describe the ride characteristics of each.
> >
> > > Maybe we'll attempt a less-formal version of this at Riv Rally East in
> > > May...
> >
> > > BB
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 4:13 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > > > Make it easy-just get one of each!
> >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Michael DiBenedetto
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Alan-
> > > > > Great insights-
> > > > > After too much reading, thinking, questing, that is exactly what I 
> > > > > did -
> > > > > chose the Hunq as my one all-rounder for comfort AND style - not 
> > > > > trying to
> > > > > figure out the PERFECT ride to suit all those SPECIFIC needs.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Michael D.
> > > > > Walnut Creek
> >
> > > > > Michael DiBenedetto
> > > > >www.lifeforcemassage.com
> > > > > 3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
> > > > > Lafayette, CA. 94549
> > > > > 925-899-2785
> >
> > > > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Allan in Portland 
> > > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Surface, which you've mentioned is one consideration. Speed and 
> > > > > > weight
> > > > > > (both yours and gear) are the others.
> >
> > > > > > And here's the somewhat boring truth: unless you are extreme in 
> > > > > > weight
> > > > > > or speed, or a bicycle connoisseur (and in which case you wouldn't 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > asking on a list-serve in the first place) any Riv will do 
> > > > > > admirably.
> > > > > > When it comes down to it, feel free to pick based on color, just 
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > tell any of the folks here that. :-)
> >
> > > > > > The irony is kind of funny that some folks mock cyclists that think
> > > > > > they need just the right foot gear or what-have-you, and yet split
> > > > > > hairs on frames and handlebars all the same. Not saying there's not 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > difference among frames or handlebars, but sometimes us systemizer-
> > > > > > maximizer types can get carried away.
> >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > -Allan
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?

2010-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:00 AM, jim phillips  wrote:
>
> I guess it's OK to own more than one Rivendell and I can see I am headed
> that way!
>


I think it's more than OK to own more than one Riv. I think it is, in
fact, recommended.

Call up rivhq and ask "Hey, is it okay to own more than one of your bikes?"

I bet you'll get a hearty affirmative.

:)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike - Related Quiz Question

2010-12-09 Thread Earl Grey
Jim,

see cyclotourist's post above. I just swapped the Jack Browns and
fenders on my Sam for some 42mm semi knobbies (IRC Mythos CX Slicks)
to pit against Paul's Sam on Marathon Extremes tomorrow in the dirt.
Report will follow. :)

Gernot


On Dec 9, 10:16 am, JimP  wrote:
> Can you list all 7 in order? That would be very interesting!
>
> Jim
>
> On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, James Warren  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug of course answered correctly. It's a trick question. The actual model 
> > in the middle of the 7 if you list them is Sam Hillborne, but one's love of 
> > one's own bike must over-ride that and one's own bike must be the center of 
> > the universe. Hence, for Doug, the correct answer must be Atlantis. And in 
> > the Peterson house, Atlantis is now a binary star!
>
> > -James
>
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: doug peterson 
> > >Sent: Dec 8, 2010 4:49 PM
> > >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > >Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike - Related Quiz Question
>
> > >The correct answer is an Atlantis (why are you not surprised?).  No
> > >worries off-road; hauls more junk than anyone should care to; and
> > >wonderfully comfortable on the road.  I can't keep up with Rob on his
> > >Roadeo but I blame old age for that shortcoming.
>
> > >dougP
>
> > >On Dec 8, 4:24 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> > >> Easy one: if you place all the current Rivendell non-custom, 
> > >> multi-geared, non-mixte models (and add in the Rambouillet - it has 
> > >> emeritus status I say!) on a spectrum that runs from road bike to 
> > >> mountain bike...that's 7 models...the question is:
>
> > >> Which model lies in the middle of the spectrum?
>
> > >> Not a hard question, but I just think it's fun. I'd actually be more 
> > >> interested to know how many listmembers had already figured this out in 
> > >> their heads.
>
> > >> -James
>
> > >> p.s. Where will the San Marcos be? Between Roadeo and Ram or between Ram 
> > >> and AHH?
>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> >From: doug peterson 
> > >> >Sent: Dec 8, 2010 3:33 PM
> > >> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > >> >Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?
>
> > >> >I'm shocked, genuinely  shocked, that you guys are tossing out these
> > >> >recommendations without benefit of on the ground field research!  How
> > >> >can one possibly, in good conscience, recommend any Rivendell (with
> > >> >the possible exception of the Atlantis, of course) without thoroughly
> > >> >exploring "...3,500 acres of hardwoods, very hilly with ridges"
> > >> >Sounds like a slice of heaven to me!  S24O, anyone?
>
> > >> >dougP, looking for a good excuse to try Marathon Extremes
>
> > >> >On Dec 8, 1:57 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> > >> >> ...Make it easy-just get one of each! ...
>
> > >> >> THAT is the best answer so far
>
> > >> >> Actually, this would make for a nice test... Assemble a blue ribbon
> > >> >> panel of riders (of varying size and weights, riding preferences and
> > >> >> styles), each performing a comparison ride of all the Rivs while
> > >> >> testing them over the varied terrain at JimP's place (hope it's no
> > >> >> imposition, Jim...).  Each rider would ride each bike over the same
> > >> >> course and do a write up of each ride; not to declare one better than
> > >> >> the other; rather to describe the ride characteristics of each.
>
> > >> >> Maybe we'll attempt a less-formal version of this at Riv Rally East in
> > >> >> May...
>
> > >> >> BB
>
> > >> >> On Dec 8, 4:13 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > >> >> > Make it easy-just get one of each!
>
> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Michael DiBenedetto
> > >> >> > wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > Alan-
> > >> >> > > Great insights-
> > >> >> > > After too much reading, thinking, questing, that is exactly what 
> > >> >> > > I did -
> > >> >> > > chose the Hunq as my one all-rounder for comfort AND style - not 
> > >> >> > > trying to
> > >> >> > > figure out the PERFECT ride to suit all those SPECIFIC needs.
> > >> >> > > Thanks
> > >> >> > > Michael D.
> > >> >> > > Walnut Creek
>
> > >> >> > > Michael DiBenedetto
> > >> >> > >www.lifeforcemassage.com
> > >> >> > > 3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
> > >> >> > > Lafayette, CA. 94549
> > >> >> > > 925-899-2785
>
> > >> >> > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Allan in Portland 
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > > Surface, which you've mentioned is one consideration. Speed and 
> > >> >> > > > weight
> > >> >> > > > (both yours and gear) are the others.
>
> > >> >> > > > And here's the somewhat boring truth: unless you are extreme in 
> > >> >> > > > weight
> > >> >> > > > or speed, or a bicycle connoisseur (and in which case you 
> > >> >> > > > wouldn't be
> > >> >> > > > asking on a list-serve in the first place) any Riv will do 
> > >> >> > > > admirably.
> > >> >> > > > When it comes down to it, feel free to pick based on color, 
> > >> >> > > > just don't
> > >> >> > > > tell any of the folks here that. :-)
>
> > >> >> > > > The irony is kind of funny that some fo

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike - Related Quiz Question

2010-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> see cyclotourist's post above. I just swapped the Jack Browns and
> fenders on my Sam for some 42mm semi knobbies (IRC Mythos CX Slicks)
> to pit against Paul's Sam on Marathon Extremes tomorrow in the dirt.
> Report will follow. :)
>
> Gernot



Gernot,
 If you're not using those 42mm sks/berthoud fenders anymore since you
have the 42mm knobbies on the sam and you'd like to part ways with
them.

let me know

-sv

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[RBW] WTB--130mm bolt circle chainguard to cover a 42T ring

2010-12-09 Thread William
I have a road triple that I want to set up as a compact double.  It's
a Sugino-made, Specialized branded crankset, from the last 5 years or
so.  The bolt circle is 130/74 and the rings are 52/42/28.  I want to
use it as a compact double, Keven-style, by replacing the 52T ring
with a chainguard.  The Spot-Brand one would be nearly perfect:

http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/guards/

My only three gripes would be that I'd prefer silver, would prefer no
graphics, and would prefer something less than $44 plus tax plus
shipping.  If anybody has a guard like that laying around, please let
me know.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

2010-12-09 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike and
go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
SoCal!

Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned to
be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare
yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).

http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157624625801607/

Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
self and come on out!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike - Related Quiz Question

2010-12-09 Thread doug peterson
So how's that "controlling for personal bias" thing working out for
ya?  Objectivity in these matters is for the un-imaginative.

dougP

On Dec 8, 8:56 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I'm trying to control for personal bias, but isn't Sam H in the middle?
>
> Roadeo Ram Homey Sam Atlantis Hunq Bomb
>
> Although the gravity of a binary star is huge!
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:10 PM, James Warren wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Doug of course answered correctly. It's a trick question. The actual model
> > in the middle of the 7 if you list them is Sam Hillborne, but one's love of
> > one's own bike must over-ride that and one's own bike must be the center of
> > the universe. Hence, for Doug, the correct answer must be Atlantis. And in
> > the Peterson house, Atlantis is now a binary star!
>
> > -James
>
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: doug peterson 
> > >Sent: Dec 8, 2010 4:49 PM
> > >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > >Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike - Related Quiz Question
>
> > >The correct answer is an Atlantis (why are you not surprised?).  No
> > >worries off-road; hauls more junk than anyone should care to; and
> > >wonderfully comfortable on the road.  I can't keep up with Rob on his
> > >Roadeo but I blame old age for that shortcoming.
>
> > >dougP
>
> > >On Dec 8, 4:24 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> > >> Easy one: if you place all the current Rivendell non-custom,
> > multi-geared, non-mixte models (and add in the Rambouillet - it has emeritus
> > status I say!) on a spectrum that runs from road bike to mountain
> > bike...that's 7 models...the question is:
>
> > >> Which model lies in the middle of the spectrum?
>
> > >> Not a hard question, but I just think it's fun. I'd actually be more
> > interested to know how many listmembers had already figured this out in
> > their heads.
>
> > >> -James
>
> > >> p.s. Where will the San Marcos be? Between Roadeo and Ram or between Ram
> > and AHH?
>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> >From: doug peterson 
> > >> >Sent: Dec 8, 2010 3:33 PM
> > >> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > >> >Subject: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?
>
> > >> >I'm shocked, genuinely  shocked, that you guys are tossing out these
> > >> >recommendations without benefit of on the ground field research!  How
> > >> >can one possibly, in good conscience, recommend any Rivendell (with
> > >> >the possible exception of the Atlantis, of course) without thoroughly
> > >> >exploring "...3,500 acres of hardwoods, very hilly with ridges"
> > >> >Sounds like a slice of heaven to me!  S24O, anyone?
>
> > >> >dougP, looking for a good excuse to try Marathon Extremes
>
> > >> >On Dec 8, 1:57 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> > >> >> ...Make it easy-just get one of each! ...
>
> > >> >> THAT is the best answer so far
>
> > >> >> Actually, this would make for a nice test... Assemble a blue ribbon
> > >> >> panel of riders (of varying size and weights, riding preferences and
> > >> >> styles), each performing a comparison ride of all the Rivs while
> > >> >> testing them over the varied terrain at JimP's place (hope it's no
> > >> >> imposition, Jim...).  Each rider would ride each bike over the same
> > >> >> course and do a write up of each ride; not to declare one better than
> > >> >> the other; rather to describe the ride characteristics of each.
>
> > >> >> Maybe we'll attempt a less-formal version of this at Riv Rally East
> > in
> > >> >> May...
>
> > >> >> BB
>
> > >> >> On Dec 8, 4:13 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > >> >> > Make it easy-just get one of each!
>
> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Michael DiBenedetto
> > >> >> > wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > Alan-
> > >> >> > > Great insights-
> > >> >> > > After too much reading, thinking, questing, that is exactly what
> > I did -
> > >> >> > > chose the Hunq as my one all-rounder for comfort AND style - not
> > trying to
> > >> >> > > figure out the PERFECT ride to suit all those SPECIFIC needs.
> > >> >> > > Thanks
> > >> >> > > Michael D.
> > >> >> > > Walnut Creek
>
> > >> >> > > Michael DiBenedetto
> > >> >> > >www.lifeforcemassage.com
> > >> >> > > 3190 Old Tunnel Rd. Suite C
> > >> >> > > Lafayette, CA. 94549
> > >> >> > > 925-899-2785
>
> > >> >> > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Allan in Portland <
> > allan_f...@aracnet.com>
> > >> >> > > wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > > Surface, which you've mentioned is one consideration. Speed and
> > weight
> > >> >> > > > (both yours and gear) are the others.
>
> > >> >> > > > And here's the somewhat boring truth: unless you are extreme in
> > weight
> > >> >> > > > or speed, or a bicycle connoisseur (and in which case you
> > wouldn't be
> > >> >> > > > asking on a list-serve in the first place) any Riv will do
> > admirably.
> > >> >> > > > When it comes down to it, feel free to pick based on color,
> > just don't
> > >> >> > > > tell any of the folks here that. :-)
>
> > >> >> > > > The irony is kind of funny that some folks mock cyclists that
> > think
> > >> >> > > > they need just the right foot

[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

2010-12-09 Thread doug peterson
This is a great ride and the weather forecast is perfect.  +1 for
David's invite - we don't do "snooty".  Heck, I rode my old late 80s
MTB & no one even snickered.

Sorry I gotta miss this one.  We're taking the Atlantis duo with us to
SLO and plan to ride Edna Valley on Sunday.  And this time I'll bring
the camera!

dougP

On Dec 9, 10:16 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike and
> go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
> SoCal!
>
> Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned to
> be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare
> yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
>
> http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec...
>
> Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
> the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
> self and come on out!

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[RBW] Re: WTB Wooly Warm Sleeveless Vest

2010-12-09 Thread dean899
Sorry forgot to add i am looking for a large or XL.  I can't remember
it these ran large or true to size.

Also looking for the old wigwam wool beanie that was stripped brown
black and tan and various other
earth tone colors (it seem to fit my head perfect and kept me warm)
Thanks

montedotdirksatgmaildotcom

On Dec 8, 4:04 pm, dean899  wrote:
> If you have a tweed wooly warm sleeveless vest you dont use or want to
> get rid of please let me know.  if it has a few holes no worries.
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Two Hillbornes in the wild

2010-12-09 Thread doug peterson
Some speculation here on my part, but I'll bet when Grant sits down to
design a bike, he figures "I'll just give it plenty of room so no one
has to worry about tire size."  And here we are, filling up those
spacious forks.  After 7 years on 35s (Pasela, T-serve, Marathon, each
"35" chubbier than the last), now they look kinda skinny on my
Atlantis.  This leads to the theorem:

"Rubber expands to fill the available frame clearance".

dougP

On Dec 8, 9:32 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> here is a pic of my Sam with true 42mm 
> semi-knobbies:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4211601286/
>
> Looks like there is room for a fender, at least a plastic one. I may
> give the 52mm VO Aluminum Zeppelins from my Fisher Sphinx a try on the
> Sam over 42mm knobbies, and if so, will report back.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Dec 9, 11:18 am, Paul  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just measured the Extremes. They are 40.0 mm at 30 psi.
>
> > The fenders are SKS P50s, fairly close fit.
>
> > Mike: No leg bump!
>
> > Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] FS: Suntour XC Pro Canti Brakes, NOS

2010-12-09 Thread David Hallerman

Hi,

For sale:

Suntour XC Pro cantilever brakes, front and rear.

NOS, new-in-bag (not box), never mounted, perfect condition.

These are the last-generation bronze color ones, and
they work fine with road brake levers like Ergo or STI,
as well as with old-style mountain bike brake levers.

$75, with shipping via Priority Mail included to the CONUS

PayPal best way to pay.

Dave, who might regret selling these brakes someday but also has a huge 
group of Suntour parts mainly new which when he gets them all together 
will sell as a package deal


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[RBW] Re: generator powered Christmas lights

2010-12-09 Thread Bill Rhea
Thanks for the info - now I REALLY want to figure this out :-)

I guess I'm mostly worried about the fact that Chrismas lights run on
120v, and the generator is rated at 6v.  Since resistance of the
string is constant, this drops the supplied current way down (if I
still have Ohm's law right).  Not sure if this would be enought to
keep them lit

-br

On Dec 8, 11:47 pm, Allan in Portland  wrote:
> I forget which hub he had, but I helped a friend do this a few years
> ago. He got a string of lights from Ikea or somewhere and just wired
> them up. I said we have a 50-50 chance of getting the polarity right
> on the first try, which we did. Actually we had a 100% chance, as the
> generators are unrectified AC. Yeah, the lights blinked a lot at low
> speed. You could get rid of about half the blink with a trip to Radio
> Shack for one of 
> these:http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062580
>
> Good luck,
> -Allan
>
> On Dec 8, 3:30 pm, Bill Rhea  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Has anybody out there ever converted a string of Christmas lights for
> > low voltage power, like that produced by a dynohub?  How cool would
> > that be?  The output of my Shimano DH-3N80 hub is 6 volts, 3 watts.
>
> > Suggestions?
>
> > -br- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Blended Threads?

2010-12-09 Thread Bruce
In a mash up of "Which Rivendell?" and "Can I run Xmas lights off my hub 
generator?" How about:

http://store.monkeylectric.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=m133s


Which Rivendell's handling would be best for this addition to the wheel mass?



  

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[RBW] Re: Smaller Saluki clearance

2010-12-09 Thread nathan spindel
In answer to my previously unanswered question, I used empiricism to find
that Hetres (and probably fenders?) do in fact fit on a 50cm Saluki.
Photographic evidence: http://flic.kr/p/8ZHDW7

Now to choose an appropriate fender…

-nathan

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, nathan spindel  wrote:

> 50cm Saluki with Silver brakes - does anyone know if it'll fit Hetres and
> fenders? I've heard the more average sized Saluki's can do this, but I'm not
> sure if a smaller one can…
>
> -nathan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smaller Saluki clearance

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 14:19 -0800, nathan spindel wrote:
> In answer to my previously unanswered question, I used empiricism to
> find that Hetres (and probably fenders?) do in fact fit on a 50cm
> Saluki. Photographic evidence: http://flic.kr/p/8ZHDW7
> 
> 
> Now to choose an appropriate fender…

I found they fit fine on a 60cm Saluki.  I like the way the 58mm fluted
Honjos fit over the tires.  The front fit fine, no modification
required.  The rear fender didn't fit between the chain stays, so I cut
it down to fit it between the stays.  Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/

I'm still waiting for the Winter 2010 BQ to see how Peter Weigle goes
about solving this sort of fender mounting problem.  Undoubtedly it will
be a thousand times more elegant than my solution.




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[RBW] Re: Smaller Saluki clearance

2010-12-09 Thread rcnute
That's a cool paint job.

I tried Hetres on a Bleriot but I think they accentuate the wheel flop
too much.

Ryan

On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> In answer to my previously unanswered question, I used empiricism to find
> that Hetres (and probably fenders?) do in fact fit on a 50cm Saluki.
> Photographic evidence:http://flic.kr/p/8ZHDW7
>
> Now to choose an appropriate fender…
>
> -nathan
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, nathan spindel  wrote:
> > 50cm Saluki with Silver brakes - does anyone know if it'll fit Hetres and
> > fenders? I've heard the more average sized Saluki's can do this, but I'm not
> > sure if a smaller one can…
>
> > -nathan
>
>

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[RBW] Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Forrest
If you have (or had) an Atlantis, do (did) you prefer it set up with
Moustache bars or with drops such as the Noodles? My likely use would
be mostly commuting, some gravel/dirt, non-paved rail trails, but no
derring-do rough stuff. Maybe short, weekend tours where the daily
mileage doesn't exceed 60 and usually stopping at least every 10-15
miles to gawk, stretch, snack, take photos. In other words, no long-
distance, hard-core touring.

Experiences? Preferences? Recommendations?

Thanks,  -- Forrest

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smaller Saluki clearance

2010-12-09 Thread nathan spindel
Thanks Ryan! There's another (slightly oversaturated) photo of it here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/5048141488/

If I remember right, the paint job was done by "Rick at Cycle Works" (sic).

-nathan

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rcnute  wrote:

> That's a cool paint job.
>
> I tried Hetres on a Bleriot but I think they accentuate the wheel flop
> too much.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> > In answer to my previously unanswered question, I used empiricism to find
> > that Hetres (and probably fenders?) do in fact fit on a 50cm Saluki.
> > Photographic evidence:http://flic.kr/p/8ZHDW7
> >
> > Now to choose an appropriate fender…
> >
> > -nathan
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, nathan spindel 
> wrote:
> > > 50cm Saluki with Silver brakes - does anyone know if it'll fit Hetres
> and
> > > fenders? I've heard the more average sized Saluki's can do this, but
> I'm not
> > > sure if a smaller one can…
> >
> > > -nathan
> >
> >
>
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[RBW] Re: generator powered Christmas lights

2010-12-09 Thread Allan in Portland
> Chrismas lights run on
> 120v, and the generator is rated at 6v"

OK that statement tells me you're going to need a little bit more help
than a Radio Shack URL. :-)

You can't use lights that are designed for 120V line power. And I have
no idea what power those draw, but it's probably more than 3W per
strand.

You want something like these:
http://www.christmaslightsetc.com/p/Battery-Operated-10-Multicolored-Mini-Christmas-Lights-6-inch-Spacing-Green-Wire--19469.htm

Since you only have about $4 spent on the lights, just cut off the
battery case and connect the wires to your hub instead. The hub has
it's own current limiting so it should be safe. As for the lights, if
you over-drive them and they burn out, meh, you're only out $4.

Or if it makes you nervous try two strands wired in series, (which
would be connect positive of strand A to negative of strand B). I
think the worst that would happen then is the lights be too dim.

Good luck,
-Allan

PS> I'm ASSUMING the generator hub has an internal current limiter. I
know the SON hubs do. I don't know your Shimano hub does. If you do
something to let the magic white smoke out of your hub, please don't
blame me.

On Dec 9, 1:39 pm, Bill Rhea  wrote:
> Thanks for the info - now I REALLY want to figure this out :-)
>
> I guess I'm mostly worried about the fact that Chrismas lights run on
> 120v, and the generator is rated at 6v.  Since resistance of the
> string is constant, this drops the supplied current way down (if I
> still have Ohm's law right).  Not sure if this would be enought to
> keep them lit
>
> -br
>
> On Dec 8, 11:47 pm, Allan in Portland  wrote:
>
> > I forget which hub he had, but I helped a friend do this a few years
> > ago. He got a string of lights from Ikea or somewhere and just wired
> > them up. I said we have a 50-50 chance of getting the polarity right
> > on the first try, which we did. Actually we had a 100% chance, as the
> > generators are unrectified AC. Yeah, the lights blinked a lot at low
> > speed. You could get rid of about half the blink with a trip to Radio
> > Shack for one of 
> > these:http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062580
>
> > Good luck,
> > -Allan
>
> > On Dec 8, 3:30 pm, Bill Rhea  wrote:
>
> > > Has anybody out there ever converted a string of Christmas lights for
> > > low voltage power, like that produced by a dynohub?  How cool would
> > > that be?  The output of my Shimano DH-3N80 hub is 6 volts, 3 watts.
>
> > > Suggestions?
>
> > > -br- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread doug peterson
Forrest:

My Atlantis has always had Noodles and I like them a lot.  The are
about even with the seat.  I like drops because I like to change
position a lot and not sit the same way for long periods.  This is my
bike for at least 95% of my riding which includes day trips, long
tours, knocking around town, some fire roads & hiking trails (but
nothing epic / awesome / gnarly).

I tried Moustache bars on another bike for a while but they just
didn't work for me.  Lots of people use them and like them.  Some
people like to change bars often enough they set up 2 complete bar /
brake lever / shifter combos with cable splitters.  I've never done it
but have heard people say it's a quick job to change bars once you've
got it set up to do so.

By even thinking about the merits of two different bars, you're on the
slippery slope to collecting bars, stems, brake & shift levers.  It's
loads of fun, you can't go wrong.

dougP

On Dec 9, 3:11 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> If you have (or had) an Atlantis, do (did) you prefer it set up with
> Moustache bars or with drops such as the Noodles? My likely use would
> be mostly commuting, some gravel/dirt, non-paved rail trails, but no
> derring-do rough stuff. Maybe short, weekend tours where the daily
> mileage doesn't exceed 60 and usually stopping at least every 10-15
> miles to gawk, stretch, snack, take photos. In other words, no long-
> distance, hard-core touring.
>
> Experiences? Preferences? Recommendations?
>
> Thanks,  -- Forrest

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread James Warren

-Original Message-
>From: doug peterson 
>By even thinking about the merits of two different bars, you're on the
>slippery slope to collecting bars, stems, brake & shift levers.  


This is true. Don't open my cupboards.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

2010-12-09 Thread cyclotourist
We keep hearing about this bike, but nobody's ever seen it...

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, doug peterson  wrote:

> This is a great ride and the weather forecast is perfect.  +1 for
> David's invite - we don't do "snooty".  Heck, I rode my old late 80s
> MTB & no one even snickered.
>
> Sorry I gotta miss this one.  We're taking the Atlantis duo with us to
> SLO and plan to ride Edna Valley on Sunday.  And this time I'll bring
> the camera!
>
> dougP
>
> On Dec 9, 10:16 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
> > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike and
> > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
> > SoCal!
> >
> > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned to
> > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare
> > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
> >
> > http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec...
> >
> > Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
> > the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
> > self and come on out!
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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Jeremy Till
Agreed- "handlebar fetishism" is a virulent disease for which there is
no known cure.  I'm particularly afflicted myself.

On Dec 9, 4:32 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> -Original Message-
> >From: doug peterson 
> >By even thinking about the merits of two different bars, you're on the
> >slippery slope to collecting bars, stems, brake & shift levers.  
>
> This is true. Don't open my cupboards.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Shaun Meehan
I've had my Atlantis set-up with both 'stache bars and Noodles. I
definitely prefer the Noodles. I like mustache bars a lot too. For
short rides in traffic and trail riding I think I might even prefer
them to the Noodles. But the Noodles aren't even close to being bad
for those things; and they're better for everything else. At least in
my opinion. Lots of comfortable hand positions with the Noodles. I've
got the 48cm version and the wide flats make it almost like having a
flat bar. And the flat section behind the brake hoods is wonderful.

Shaun Meehan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread erik jensen
shaun summarizes my experience, as well.

~erik

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Shaun Meehan  wrote:

> I've had my Atlantis set-up with both 'stache bars and Noodles. I
> definitely prefer the Noodles. I like mustache bars a lot too. For
> short rides in traffic and trail riding I think I might even prefer
> them to the Noodles. But the Noodles aren't even close to being bad
> for those things; and they're better for everything else. At least in
> my opinion. Lots of comfortable hand positions with the Noodles. I've
> got the 48cm version and the wide flats make it almost like having a
> flat bar. And the flat section behind the brake hoods is wonderful.
>
> Shaun Meehan
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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Frankwurst
I've had both on my Atlantis'  I always thought Moustache Bars were
the cat's meow but I have noodles on there now and I'm really content
with them. I still have M bars on a couple of bikes and they will
stay  that way but the Atlantis is destined to die a slow painful
death with noodles. I like them both. My first Atlantis had M bars and
I once rode it 550 miles in a week and was quite comfortable the whole
while. They both work for me. Not much help I know but my personal
experience.

On Dec 9, 5:11 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> If you have (or had) an Atlantis, do (did) you prefer it set up with
> Moustache bars or with drops such as the Noodles? My likely use would
> be mostly commuting, some gravel/dirt, non-paved rail trails, but no
> derring-do rough stuff. Maybe short, weekend tours where the daily
> mileage doesn't exceed 60 and usually stopping at least every 10-15
> miles to gawk, stretch, snack, take photos. In other words, no long-
> distance, hard-core touring.
>
> Experiences? Preferences? Recommendations?
>
> Thanks,  -- Forrest

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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Jack
I have moustache bars on my Atlantis and I really love 'em. I have
wondered what Noodles would be like but haven't gone to the trouble to
change over and I doubt if they would be any better for me on that
bike... I think it is a personal choice like so many bike related
things.
But I have Noodles on my Bleriot and they are fine too. About the only
drawback I have with moustache bars is they limit my choice of
handlebar bags and there is less space for mounting lights, computer,
etc.
Here is my bike on a camping trip this fall:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhuber/5133996224/in/pool-rivendellatlantis


On Dec 9, 7:56 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> shaun summarizes my experience, as well.
>
> ~erik
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
> > I've had my Atlantis set-up with both 'stache bars and Noodles. I
> > definitely prefer the Noodles. I like mustache bars a lot too. For
> > short rides in traffic and trail riding I think I might even prefer
> > them to the Noodles. But the Noodles aren't even close to being bad
> > for those things; and they're better for everything else. At least in
> > my opinion. Lots of comfortable hand positions with the Noodles. I've
> > got the 48cm version and the wide flats make it almost like having a
> > flat bar. And the flat section behind the brake hoods is wonderful.
>
> > Shaun Meehan
>
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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Forrest
Thanks, everyone, for all the opinions and info. Sounds like I can't
make a big mistake. I believe I will start out with moustache and see
how it goes. I have Noodles on my Riv LongLow and love them for the
type of riding I do with it (longer rides on pavement).  -- Forrest


On Dec 9, 7:17 pm, Jack  wrote:
> I have moustache bars on my Atlantis and I really love 'em. I have
> wondered what Noodles would be like but haven't gone to the trouble to
> change over and I doubt if they would be any better for me on that
> bike... I think it is a personal choice like so many bike related
> things.
> But I have Noodles on my Bleriot and they are fine too. About the only
> drawback I have with moustache bars is they limit my choice of
> handlebar bags and there is less space for mounting lights, computer,
> etc.
> Here is my bike on a camping trip this 
> fall:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhuber/5133996224/in/pool-rivendella...
>
> On Dec 9, 7:56 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > shaun summarizes my experience, as well.
>
> > ~erik
>
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
> > > I've had my Atlantis set-up with both 'stache bars and Noodles. I
> > > definitely prefer the Noodles. I like mustache bars a lot too. For
> > > short rides in traffic and trail riding I think I might even prefer
> > > them to the Noodles. But the Noodles aren't even close to being bad
> > > for those things; and they're better for everything else. At least in
> > > my opinion. Lots of comfortable hand positions with the Noodles. I've
> > > got the 48cm version and the wide flats make it almost like having a
> > > flat bar. And the flat section behind the brake hoods is wonderful.
>
> > > Shaun Meehan
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB--130mm bolt circle chainguard to cover a 42T ring

2010-12-09 Thread Roy Yates
The Salsa Crossing Guard is very nice, much nicer. The price is crazy,
but it's really nicer than, say, a sugino guard that i think velo
orange was selling.

On Dec 9, 1:54 pm, William  wrote:
> I have a road triple that I want to set up as a compact double.  It's
> a Sugino-made, Specialized branded crankset, from the last 5 years or
> so.  The bolt circle is 130/74 and the rings are 52/42/28.  I want to
> use it as a compact double, Keven-style, by replacing the 52T ring
> with a chainguard.  The Spot-Brand one would be nearly perfect:
>
> http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/guards/
>
> My only three gripes would be that I'd prefer silver, would prefer no
> graphics, and would prefer something less than $44 plus tax plus
> shipping.  If anybody has a guard like that laying around, please let
> me know.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Rene Sterental
I'll see you and bid you an Albatross bar!

I first tried the M-bars on my Bombadil and loved them for the rough trails.
However, I couldn't get hand and neck pain free when riding on the streets
on even short commutes. Since I had the 48 Noodles on my AHH I swapped the
M-bars and put a set of 48 Noodles on the Bombadil, which I transferred to
the Atlantis when I exchanged it for a better fit. With the Noodles I
managed to ride mostly hand-pain free, but couldn't get rid of an accute
pain I develop on the left side of my neck/left shoulder. This kind of pain
doesn't always happen in the morning rides, but it invariably kills me
during my evening commute after I've worked on the computer during the day.
Always the left side, never the right side.

In the meantime, I built the Betty Foy with Albatross bars and started
becoming more "aware" of many Atlantis and other bikes built with Albatross
bars. Realized that Grant says they are his favorite bars and remembered
Jay's Hunqa video where he is riding it with Albatross bars and
conversations I had both with him and Keven where they were gently
suggesting them to me. I guess like all the other cycling fit paradigms that
Rivendell has crushed in my mind, this one was a lost cause for me as well.
Started re-reading older posts regarding Albatross bars and found Ray
Shine's comment that once he put Albatross bars on his bikes he never looked
back.

So, even though I still have the M-bars and now the Noodles here, I have
borrowed the Albatross bars from the Betty and put them on the Atlantis to
see how they feel. I have to say it looks quite stunning once my previous
paradigm got destroyed, and I expect to start commuting with it and see how
everything feels. If I manage to get rid of all the pain, it would be
absolutely unbelievable!

Have you considered Albatross bars for your Atlantis? Based on what your
riding type description is, that might be another option to consider.

René

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[RBW] Re: WTB--130mm bolt circle chainguard to cover a 42T ring

2010-12-09 Thread Jeremy Till
BBG's are CNC'ed in the USA and are less than $20 shipped:

http://www.bbgbashguard.com/

I need to get off my ass and get one for my fixed gear.

On Dec 9, 9:54 am, William  wrote:
> I have a road triple that I want to set up as a compact double.  It's
> a Sugino-made, Specialized branded crankset, from the last 5 years or
> so.  The bolt circle is 130/74 and the rings are 52/42/28.  I want to
> use it as a compact double, Keven-style, by replacing the 52T ring
> with a chainguard.  The Spot-Brand one would be nearly perfect:
>
> http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/guards/
>
> My only three gripes would be that I'd prefer silver, would prefer no
> graphics, and would prefer something less than $44 plus tax plus
> shipping.  If anybody has a guard like that laying around, please let
> me know.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Phil Bickford
Hi Forrest -

I've tried moustache bars on a bunch of my bikes.  They usually last a
couple rides and I'll go back to drops.  I really want to like the m-
bars - they look classic cool and old timey. Nice.

My experience however tells me 1.) I don't like leaning that far
forward to brake (reverse bar-end levers can fix that), and 2.) no
matter what they say there's only one hand position that works. YMMV.
Somewhere about 20 miles I wear them out.  Maybe for a grocery
getter.  I don't know.

I was lucky to purchase a couple randoneer bars from Jitensa before
they ran out.  They are enough of a drop bar for my liking, having a
shallowish drop to slightly flaring out ends. The portion that the
levers mount to are slightly angled though after the first two times
on the hoods I don't notice.  They are a more moderate version of the
Grand Cru Randoneer, but nicer - made by Nitto.  I don't know if they
will do another run. Model 136AA. http://www.jitensha.com/eng/bars_e.html
Unless you've got wicked narrow shoulders you'd probably want the
wider ones.  I've found I prefer a shallower bar because I don't have
to go sky high with the stem to have comfortable use of the drops.  I
wouldn't mind trying a Mary bar or something close to it just for fun.

Well I certainly had lot to say about nothing.  The only cure for the
moustache bar dilemma
is to try one.

Phil B

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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

2010-12-09 Thread doug peterson
It's an imaginary bike, ridden by my imaginary wife.

dougP

On Dec 9, 4:50 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> We keep hearing about this bike, but nobody's ever seen it...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, doug peterson  wrote:
> > This is a great ride and the weather forecast is perfect.  +1 for
> > David's invite - we don't do "snooty".  Heck, I rode my old late 80s
> > MTB & no one even snickered.
>
> > Sorry I gotta miss this one.  We're taking the Atlantis duo with us to
> > SLO and plan to ride Edna Valley on Sunday.  And this time I'll bring
> > the camera!
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Dec 9, 10:16 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
> > > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike and
> > > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
> > > SoCal!
>
> > > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned to
> > > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare
> > > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
>
> > >http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec...
>
> > > Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
> > > the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
> > > self and come on out!
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB--130mm bolt circle chainguard to cover a 42T ring

2010-12-09 Thread William
Good calls, both.  I may do one of those.  The BBG coming in silver is
a plus.

On Dec 9, 7:19 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> BBG's are CNC'ed in the USA and are less than $20 shipped:
>
> http://www.bbgbashguard.com/
>
> I need to get off my ass and get one for my fixed gear.
>
> On Dec 9, 9:54 am, William  wrote:
>
> > I have a road triple that I want to set up as a compact double.  It's
> > a Sugino-made, Specialized branded crankset, from the last 5 years or
> > so.  The bolt circle is 130/74 and the rings are 52/42/28.  I want to
> > use it as a compact double, Keven-style, by replacing the 52T ring
> > with a chainguard.  The Spot-Brand one would be nearly perfect:
>
> >http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/guards/
>
> > My only three gripes would be that I'd prefer silver, would prefer no
> > graphics, and would prefer something less than $44 plus tax plus
> > shipping.  If anybody has a guard like that laying around, please let
> > me know.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread Forrest
Rene --  I certainly wouldn't rule out the Albatross bars. My wife has
something very similar (North Country?) on her early '90s Gary Fisher
Zebrano mixte, and she really likes them.  -- Forrest

On Dec 9, 9:17 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> I'll see you and bid you an Albatross bar!
>
> I first tried the M-bars on my Bombadil and loved them for the rough trails.
> However, I couldn't get hand and neck pain free when riding on the streets
> on even short commutes. Since I had the 48 Noodles on my AHH I swapped the
> M-bars and put a set of 48 Noodles on the Bombadil, which I transferred to
> the Atlantis when I exchanged it for a better fit. With the Noodles I
> managed to ride mostly hand-pain free, but couldn't get rid of an accute
> pain I develop on the left side of my neck/left shoulder. This kind of pain
> doesn't always happen in the morning rides, but it invariably kills me
> during my evening commute after I've worked on the computer during the day.
> Always the left side, never the right side.
>
> In the meantime, I built the Betty Foy with Albatross bars and started
> becoming more "aware" of many Atlantis and other bikes built with Albatross
> bars. Realized that Grant says they are his favorite bars and remembered
> Jay's Hunqa video where he is riding it with Albatross bars and
> conversations I had both with him and Keven where they were gently
> suggesting them to me. I guess like all the other cycling fit paradigms that
> Rivendell has crushed in my mind, this one was a lost cause for me as well.
> Started re-reading older posts regarding Albatross bars and found Ray
> Shine's comment that once he put Albatross bars on his bikes he never looked
> back.
>
> So, even though I still have the M-bars and now the Noodles here, I have
> borrowed the Albatross bars from the Betty and put them on the Atlantis to
> see how they feel. I have to say it looks quite stunning once my previous
> paradigm got destroyed, and I expect to start commuting with it and see how
> everything feels. If I manage to get rid of all the pain, it would be
> absolutely unbelievable!
>
> Have you considered Albatross bars for your Atlantis? Based on what your
> riding type description is, that might be another option to consider.
>
> René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

2010-12-09 Thread cyclotourist
You keep it them at your uncle's farm with a pony.  In Utah.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, doug peterson  wrote:

> It's an imaginary bike, ridden by my imaginary wife.
>
> dougP
>
> On Dec 9, 4:50 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > We keep hearing about this bike, but nobody's ever seen it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, doug peterson 
> wrote:
> > > This is a great ride and the weather forecast is perfect.  +1 for
> > > David's invite - we don't do "snooty".  Heck, I rode my old late 80s
> > > MTB & no one even snickered.
> >
> > > Sorry I gotta miss this one.  We're taking the Atlantis duo with us to
> > > SLO and plan to ride Edna Valley on Sunday.  And this time I'll bring
> > > the camera!
> >
> > > dougP
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 10:16 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike
> and
> > > > go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
> > > > SoCal!
> >
> > > > Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned
> to
> > > > be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and
> prepare
> > > > yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).
> >
> > > >
> http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec...
> >
> > > > Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
> > > > the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
> > > > self and come on out!
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> > David
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> >
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS-
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[RBW] Re: Two Hillbornes in the wild

2010-12-09 Thread Philip Williamson
Amen.
The only reluctance I had on the Quickbeam was that it wouldn't fit
wider tires, but then I found I could ride 28s on dirt roads, and 32s
on singletrack, and 35s on gravel, and 40s just 'cause... and now I
have to trim the knobs off 700c fatties, and still they bzzap! on my
fender when torqued.

I think your theorem is good.
 philip

 Philip Williamson
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On Dec 9, 10:45 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> Some speculation here on my part, but I'll bet when Grant sits down to
> design a bike, he figures "I'll just give it plenty of room so no one
> has to worry about tire size."  And here we are, filling up those
> spacious forks.  After 7 years on 35s (Pasela, T-serve, Marathon, each
> "35" chubbier than the last), now they look kinda skinny on my
> Atlantis.  This leads to the theorem:
>
> "Rubber expands to fill the available frame clearance".
>
> dougP
>
> On Dec 8, 9:32 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
>
> > here is a pic of my Sam with true 42mm 
> > semi-knobbies:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4211601286/
>
> > Looks like there is room for a fender, at least a plastic one. I may
> > give the 52mm VO Aluminum Zeppelins from my Fisher Sphinx a try on the
> > Sam over 42mm knobbies, and if so, will report back.
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Dec 9, 11:18 am, Paul  wrote:
>
> > > Just measured the Extremes. They are 40.0 mm at 30 psi.
>
> > > The fenders are SKS P50s, fairly close fit.
>
> > > Mike: No leg bump!
>
> > > Paul- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: WTB--130mm bolt circle chainguard to cover a 42T ring

2010-12-09 Thread Philip Williamson
There's always the 'ruin the 52' approach, too, with some sidecutters
and a file.

 Philip

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On Dec 9, 7:48 pm, William  wrote:
> Good calls, both.  I may do one of those.  The BBG coming in silver is
> a plus.
>
> On Dec 9, 7:19 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > BBG's are CNC'ed in the USA and are less than $20 shipped:
>
> >http://www.bbgbashguard.com/
>
> > I need to get off my ass and get one for my fixed gear.
>
> > On Dec 9, 9:54 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > I have a road triple that I want to set up as a compact double.  It's
> > > a Sugino-made, Specialized branded crankset, from the last 5 years or
> > > so.  The bolt circle is 130/74 and the rings are 52/42/28.  I want to
> > > use it as a compact double, Keven-style, by replacing the 52T ring
> > > with a chainguard.  The Spot-Brand one would be nearly perfect:
>
> > >http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/guards/
>
> > > My only three gripes would be that I'd prefer silver, would prefer no
> > > graphics, and would prefer something less than $44 plus tax plus
> > > shipping.  If anybody has a guard like that laying around, please let
> > > me know.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drops or Moustache bars for Atlantis

2010-12-09 Thread cyclotourist
I really like M-bars for all-round riding up to a couple hours.  Longer
rides, and I miss the drop position.  Be sure to get a shorter stem with
them though.  Level with seat height was fine for me, but the shorter stem
was critical.

Have fun!


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Forrest  wrote:

> Rene --  I certainly wouldn't rule out the Albatross bars. My wife has
> something very similar (North Country?) on her early '90s Gary Fisher
> Zebrano mixte, and she really likes them.  -- Forrest
>
> On Dec 9, 9:17 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > I'll see you and bid you an Albatross bar!
> >
> > I first tried the M-bars on my Bombadil and loved them for the rough
> trails.
> > However, I couldn't get hand and neck pain free when riding on the
> streets
> > on even short commutes. Since I had the 48 Noodles on my AHH I swapped
> the
> > M-bars and put a set of 48 Noodles on the Bombadil, which I transferred
> to
> > the Atlantis when I exchanged it for a better fit. With the Noodles I
> > managed to ride mostly hand-pain free, but couldn't get rid of an accute
> > pain I develop on the left side of my neck/left shoulder. This kind of
> pain
> > doesn't always happen in the morning rides, but it invariably kills me
> > during my evening commute after I've worked on the computer during the
> day.
> > Always the left side, never the right side.
> >
> > In the meantime, I built the Betty Foy with Albatross bars and started
> > becoming more "aware" of many Atlantis and other bikes built with
> Albatross
> > bars. Realized that Grant says they are his favorite bars and remembered
> > Jay's Hunqa video where he is riding it with Albatross bars and
> > conversations I had both with him and Keven where they were gently
> > suggesting them to me. I guess like all the other cycling fit paradigms
> that
> > Rivendell has crushed in my mind, this one was a lost cause for me as
> well.
> > Started re-reading older posts regarding Albatross bars and found Ray
> > Shine's comment that once he put Albatross bars on his bikes he never
> looked
> > back.
> >
> > So, even though I still have the M-bars and now the Noodles here, I have
> > borrowed the Albatross bars from the Betty and put them on the Atlantis
> to
> > see how they feel. I have to say it looks quite stunning once my previous
> > paradigm got destroyed, and I expect to start commuting with it and see
> how
> > everything feels. If I manage to get rid of all the pain, it would be
> > absolutely unbelievable!
> >
> > Have you considered Albatross bars for your Atlantis? Based on what your
> > riding type description is, that might be another option to consider.
> >
> > René
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