[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread MichaelH

Lots of interesting thoughts and suggestions here.  I haven't heard
from anyone who thinks the very narrow tires might have contributed to
it.  It is true that I was going "really fast", but I have gone even
faster with no issues in the past.  The road surface was chip & seal
in good condition; I wouldn't have gone anywhere near that fast if I
thought I might hit broken pavement.  I also wasn't aware of any wind,
but I was pretty sweaty from the climb up, and the temperature was
cool enough in the morning to feel pretty cold at that speed, so I
might not have noticed a small gust.

The idea of lowering the bars a bit is interesting.  My bars are set 2
cm below the seat, and I'm not anxious to change my set up.  I will
take off the front rack and bag and try this again, but will miss the
front map and the next two weeks at work don't look like they will
leave me any time for rides up to the altitudes that can generate 45+
mph speeds.  If the change in front load doesn't change the outcome I
might buy some wider tires (Grand Bois Green Cerf?) and try that.  I
still wonder if the smaller front tire, with 100 lbs of pressure
wasn't loosing contact with the road as I shifted my weight
backwards.  Then, it seems to me, cross air pressure could trigger
some shimmy.  Unfortunately I did not put my knee against the TT so
don't know what that would have done.

One other piece of evidence, earlier on the ride I had hit my brakes
fairly hard on a short downhill (I thought I heard something bounce
off the bike) and the rear wheel skidded sideways, which also
surprised me and made me wonder about the tire.

michael

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[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting

2010-08-08 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
on a Bombadil it may be less of an issue, but...

I put a couple layers of the Lizard Skin protective stickers on the
inside of the fork bladed where the pad-holders hit them when the
brakes are fully open. I've got a wet-paint Hillborne; maybe your
Bombadil is powdercoated, which might not really need the protection.
Anyway, I got a Lizard Skin clear chainstay protector and cut from it
patches that did *not* have any logo on them to do this.

Oh, and I imagine you'd deflate the tire to get it past the brakes if
there's no room otherwise even when the brakes are open. At least, I'd
do that instead of discombobulating my brake pads; deflating/inflating
a tire is less tedious than re-adjusting brakes.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Aug 7, 1:20 pm, Garth  wrote:
> Hey guys, thanks for the help.   After a ride to clear my head and
> watching the video, I reconfigured and lowered the rack, with a little
> bending of the struts, and everything just fits!
>
> I do have one more question though, regarding the pad holders hitting
> the fork blades the front , which is new to me as I've always used
> small enough pads that they never hit the fork blades.
>
> What do you do if you have wider tires than you have clearance between
> the pads?  I have 50.5mm there on the Bombadil. I have a set of
> Michelin 2" tires that I may use in the future. Just squeeze it
> through?
>
> Anyone using larger than 2" tires on a Bombadil or Atlantis must have
> come across this.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What a beautiful hub!

2010-08-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Stiill, it's beautiful, and we just move the aesthetics cutoff a few years
forward. So this hub would date from when?

Thanks.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:15 AM, benzzoy  wrote:

> On Aug 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > A NR front hub, probaby late model: has little allen lockbolt to hold
> > bearing adjustment in place. What a beautiful hub! I've seen none more
> > beautiful, even taking Phil into account.
>
> If it has an allen lockbolt to hold bearing adjustment, it's not NR
> (Nuovo Record).  It's the generation that got superseded by the
> current generation.  That very useful design applied all the way down
> to Centaur/Daytona in the previous generation and is still in use in
> the black Record hubs of today.
>
>
> > A sort of no-expense-or-effort-spared production. Why do they make their
> > current ugly shit when they can make this?
>
> It's likely cheaper to anodize the black finish than to polish the hub
> to a uniform chrome brilliance.  There was an article in a previous
> Reader about how polishing aluminum parts is a dirty and fairly
> dangerous job that's fairly expensive.
>
> -B
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[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting

2010-08-08 Thread Garth
Thanks for bending tips Angus, they're really helpful.

Thomas   your idea has me thinking . I'm going to try cutting
some strips of clear chainstay protector and put those inside the fork
blades where it hits. My paint is Dupont Imron, so it does chip and
all , sometimes easier than one would like. But, all my bikes are
missing paint all over the place so I really shouldn't worry about it.
I'm a sucker for Imron metallic paints!

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[RBW] Re: Time to think, time to ride: Sage-scrub Special along the coast

2010-08-08 Thread EricP
That reminds me - need to get back there some day.  Need a ride along
the boardwalk at Mission Beach.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 7, 11:11 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Esteban:
>
> Your description of the Protovelo ride qualities sounds like my
> Atlantis.  On the rare occasion when I ride something else, even if I
> enjoy it, there's always something about getting back on the Atlantis
> & feeling "at home".
>
> You realize when you do something like this, it just invites hordes of
> people to move to San Diego.  Thank you for NOT posting a photo of a
> wahini with a surfboard posing with the Cadillac.
>
> The rest of you must understand that he had to go to all this trouble
> just to find some peace & quiet.  Southern California is way
> overcrowded, too many people, too many cars, crummy air, hot,
> generally yucky place to be.  And the beach gets all fogged in, you
> can't see a thing, it's cold, clammy, you have to wear a sweatshirt
> after sunset or you'll freeze.  Tourist season's been lousy so the
> Chamber of Commerce hired Esteban to do this as a promo.  It's all a
> fantasy!  He photo shopped the whole thing!
>
> dougP
>
> On Aug 7, 6:11 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
>
>
> > So, I had some things to ponder.  Not terribly important, but
> > unresolved, and its high time we bring them to some conclusion.  So, I
> > went for 60 miles up and down the coast for some sometimes
> > lollygagging, sometimes hard riding, with lots of stops for thinking,
> > writing, and looking out upon the ocean.  It worked!
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157624675556552/
>
> > Got to see a lot of interesting things, as always, along the coast.
>
> > In more list-relevant news, it was a pleasure to take the Protovelo
> > out for this.  Its 60 c-c, and I prefer a 58, but its a big Riv, in a
> > traditional touring size with touring gearing and even 175mm cranks (I
> > usually ride 170).  It rides like the Caddy in the photoset, I'm sure
> > - big, stable luxury.  Its not the most fun in hard efforts over the
> > long haul.  It just wants to ramble and amble.   Maybe some of Grant's
> > riding philosophy is built into the design and preferred sizing.
>
> > I must also add that two other things kept interrupting my internal
> > deliberations: the still-fantasic Hetres and the Nitto 135 "rando"
> > bars, which I like very much.
>
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

2010-08-08 Thread ejg
nope,
thanks for the responses and the help.
also, i think it was a hair too big for me, so the search goes on.


On Aug 8, 1:22 am, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Did you win?

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread Bob Cooper
Some data points:

I have a Rivendell Road Custom, a Rambouillet, an Atlantis, two Miyata
Exercisers, a Miyata Road Gentleman, four Raleighs and a Peugeot
PX-10.

They all shimmy.

For what it’s worth,

Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread Will
<>

A mixture of 700cx35mm Continental Top Touring for loaded tours and
Michelin Axial Pro 700x23 for Centuries, riding with the club, etc.
For the past 2 years I've discovered that 700x33. Jack Brown
Greens serve both purposes.  Bike feels equally stable with all of
'em, but even more stable with weight in front low-rider panniers.

<>

Actually, I would expect this. The recommendation in article after
article in Adventure Cyclist magazine (especially the writing of
technical editor John Schubert) is if you are going to be
substantially loaded, a good luggage weight distribution is 60% front,
40% rear. There's a reason that a lot of people crash with BOB
trailers, and that many who do long distance loaded touring prefer low-
rider racks w/ panniers, not front baskets.

<>

I would expect this too -- could have just been the right conditions,
not the tire's fault.



On Aug 8, 7:12 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> Lots of interesting thoughts and suggestions here.  I haven't heard
> from anyone who thinks the very narrow tires might have contributed to
> it.  It is true that I was going "really fast", but I have gone even
> faster with no issues in the past.  The road surface was chip & seal
> in good condition; I wouldn't have gone anywhere near that fast if I
> thought I might hit broken pavement.  I also wasn't aware of any wind,
> but I was pretty sweaty from the climb up, and the temperature was
> cool enough in the morning to feel pretty cold at that speed, so I
> might not have noticed a small gust.
>
> The idea of lowering the bars a bit is interesting.  My bars are set 2
> cm below the seat, and I'm not anxious to change my set up.  I will
> take off the front rack and bag and try this again, but will miss the
> front map and the next two weeks at work don't look like they will
> leave me any time for rides up to the altitudes that can generate 45+
> mph speeds.  If the change in front load doesn't change the outcome I
> might buy some wider tires (Grand Bois Green Cerf?) and try that.  I
> still wonder if the smaller front tire, with 100 lbs of pressure
> wasn't loosing contact with the road as I shifted my weight
> backwards.  Then, it seems to me, cross air pressure could trigger
> some shimmy.  Unfortunately I did not put my knee against the TT so
> don't know what that would have done.
>
> One other piece of evidence, earlier on the ride I had hit my brakes
> fairly hard on a short downhill (I thought I heard something bounce
> off the bike) and the rear wheel skidded sideways, which also
> surprised me and made me wonder about the tire.
>
> michael

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[RBW] FS or trade: Mark's rack

2010-08-08 Thread Adam
Greetings,

I'm looking to either sell or trade my "Mark's Rack" by nitto.  I had
it for a different bike with sidepull brakes and now that I'm using V
brakes the design is no longer pertinent.  I'd love to trade it for a
"Mini Front" to put on my Hillborne.

I'd prefer a trade, but if you'd like to buy it I'm thinking $80 plus
shipping.  I'm in Berkeley, CA and local trade/sell would be
preferred.

Thanks,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread rob markwardt

Funny.  I've had well over 20 bikes, all largish, and have never
experienced any shimmy.  That being said I have zero desire to go
faster than 45mph.
On Aug 8, 7:46 am, Bob Cooper  wrote:
> Some data points:
>
> I have a Rivendell Road Custom, a Rambouillet, an Atlantis, two Miyata
> Exercisers, a Miyata Road Gentleman, four Raleighs and a Peugeot
> PX-10.
>
> They all shimmy.
>
> For what it’s worth,
>
> Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

2010-08-08 Thread Mojo
Hi David,

My '01 61.5cm/24inch Riv Road has an 85.5cm mid-toptube standover
height. This with 10mm BB drop and RollyPoly tires. 1.5cm standover
difference between your and mine is alot! I am guessing you are riding
big cushy tires?


On Aug 7, 11:14 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Just measured my '01 Riv Road.  It's a 61cm frame and has an ~87cm standover
> middle of the tube.  I have an 89cm PBH.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:32 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sounds really close to a 63 Romulus...
>
> >http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/romulus/pages/17-downtubedecal.html
>
> > Standover is listed as 87.7 so it might be a tight squeeze.  That
> > being said I ride a 64 Rambouillet (standover listed at 87.8) and I
> > have a soh of about 88.5 and it's probably my favorite bike.  As you
> > can see I don't have much post or stem showing but once in the saddle
> > it doesn't matter.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/4719326085/
>
> > On Aug 6, 7:08 pm, ejg  wrote:
> > > Thanks for the info folks.
> > > The frame in question is a 97 and has these dimensions
>
> > > 61.5cm C to C seat tube, 63cm C to T
> > > 60cm C to C top tube
> > > 44.5cm chain stay, +/- 'cause they're adjustable
> > > 72 degree seat ube
> > > 73 degree head tube
> > > 6cm trail
>
> > > On Aug 6, 12:22 pm, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > Here's a link to the the specs on my 63.5 cm Riv as an example:
> >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QcCa4M8hwDI/SlusiESSwVI/AG0/EEdsStu...
>
> > > > I have a PBH of nearly 83cm, or 6cm, longer than the original poster,
> > and this frame works well for me.
>
> > > > There's also a link on the Riv website on PBH and sizing of frames:
> >http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it
>
> > > > According to this, the original poster would ride a 60-62cm Riv Frame.
> > On larger frames they inidicate the use of a PBH-27 formula in general,
> > which is the 60cm number. If you tend to ride in cycling shoes with cleats
> > (look or shimano or speedplay road) where you have some added height, I
> > wouldn't hesitate to recommend the 62, but if not, the 60 may be a better
> > way to go for straddling purposes.
>
> > > > Hope that helps,
>
> > > > Joe
>
> > > > > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:52:35 -0700
> > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing
> > > > > From: subfas...@gmail.com
> > > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > > > It is my understanding that the riv road geometry changed over it's
> > > > > production time.  My '96 54cm Road Standard with a 73 degree seat
> > tube
> > > > > has a stand over height of right about 79cm with 700x28c tires.  61 -
> > > > > 54 is 7cm seat tube difference, plus a slightly more slack seat tube
> > > > > 72.5 according to the 97 catalog, put the stand over height at 86cm
> > > > > which would seem just right for a Riv.  Keep in mind a couple things.
> > > > > The Road Standards were available as semi custom, so there were
> > > > > standard (60) and short top tube (58.5) varieties.  Also I assume
> > this
> > > > > is a bike you have considering purchasing, I would double check that
> > > > > the seller measured center to top.  There was a 62cm frame option as
> > > > > well which might almost eat up that extra cm of height.  I hope that
> > > > > helps.
>
> > > > > Jason
>
> > > > > On Aug 5, 7:35 pm, ejg  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > > does anyone here know the standover height on a 61 cm Riv road. Top
> > > > > > tube length is not a concern, as I have a long torso and long arms.
> > > > > > I am 6' and have a 87cm PBH ( just strong of 34")
> > > > > > Another consideration would be doing a 650b conversion
> > > > > > Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread MichaelH
I have(or had) a Rambouillet, a Marinoni, a Soma, Bilenkey, two treks,
and an Ebisu.  The only one that shimmies is the ebisu and then only
when I let go of the handlebars completely.  I am not accustomed to
bikes that either shimmy or slide sideways.  In 30+ tears of riding I
have lifted the rear wheel off the ground in sudden stops, but never
had a bike go sideways.  My Marinoni is a 1988 classic stage racing
frame with world championship stripes.  It climbs powerfully and
descends solidly.  Up till yesterday the Rambouillet has had
impeccable road manners.  I don't think I would buy a second bike from
someone  who had sold me a frame with built in shimmy.

Michael

On Aug 8, 10:46 am, Bob Cooper  wrote:
> Some data points:
>
> I have a Rivendell Road Custom, a Rambouillet, an Atlantis, two Miyata
> Exercisers, a Miyata Road Gentleman, four Raleighs and a Peugeot
> PX-10.
>
> They all shimmy.
>
> For what it’s worth,
>
> Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Need 650b Tires

2010-08-08 Thread d2mini
3000 miles on my nifty swiftys, tread is wearing off and plenty of
little holes/scars.
Any suggestions for the best commuting tire on rough and dirty city
streets, 25 miles round trip?
Or stick with the nifty swifty?

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3 Rivs for sale

2010-08-08 Thread Curtis Schmitt
Steve,
I am loving the Romulus so much already. Thank you again. Rachel and I had a
great ride afterwards heading north on the Rock Creek Trail, eventually
looping back after we found a Starbucks a block from the path where we took
a break from the heat to enjoy some icey caffeinated goodness.

If anyone here on the list is interested in a 64 Atlantis, you should
seriously consider Steve's. I had the pleasure of seeing a few of his other
Rivendells while visiting to purchase the Romulus, and they are all
exceptional examples of how a Rivendell should be spec'd and cared for. I
feel very lucky to have acquired one in such incredible shape.

Thanks,
Curtis

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:11 PM, steve  wrote:

> Follow up on "3 Rivs for sale."
>
> Thank you to Earl and Bill for their help.  Sorry to be so dense.  My
> son was not here to help me!
>
> The Atlantis 56 and Rom 59 have sold.  One new Riv owner who is
> enthusiastically soaking up things Rivendell and one old Riv hand who
> knew more about the Rom that I did.
>
> The Atlantis 64 is still available.
>
> Thanks, Steve Brent
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Re: [RBW] Need 650b Tires

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 14:11 -0700, d2mini wrote:
> 3000 miles on my nifty swiftys, tread is wearing off and plenty of
> little holes/scars.
> Any suggestions for the best commuting tire on rough and dirty city
> streets, 25 miles round trip?
> Or stick with the nifty swifty?

I commuted for several thousand miles on Col de la Vie's and found them
perfectly satisfactory for that job.  Cheap, long wearing, plush and
sturdy - what's not to like?



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[RBW] Re: Need 650b Tires

2010-08-08 Thread franklyn
I used Riv Fatty Rumpkins, which you can get for $25 per tire on
various online sources. I used a pair for 4000 miles and they look
good to go for another few thousands. They also are lighter and roll
faster compared to other heavy duty tires such as Schwalbes

Franklyn

On Aug 8, 2:17 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 14:11 -0700, d2mini wrote:
> > 3000 miles on my nifty swiftys, tread is wearing off and plenty of
> > little holes/scars.
> > Any suggestions for the best commuting tire on rough and dirty city
> > streets, 25 miles round trip?
> > Or stick with the nifty swifty?
>
> I commuted for several thousand miles on Col de la Vie's and found them
> perfectly satisfactory for that job.  Cheap, long wearing, plush and
> sturdy - what's not to like?

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread Bob Cooper
If I have ten bikes and they all shimmy, and Rider X has ten bikes and
none of them shimmy, I think this points in this direction:

It’s the rider, not the bike.

How else can it be explained?

Bob Cooper

On Aug 8, 3:15 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:

> Funny.  I've had well over 20 bikes, all largish, and have never
> experienced any shimmy.  That being said I have zero desire to go
> faster than 45mph.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 15:31 -0700, Bob Cooper wrote:
> If I have ten bikes and they all shimmy, and Rider X has ten bikes and
> none of them shimmy, I think this points in this direction:
> 
> It’s the rider, not the bike.


Certainly, rider actions can initiate or exacerbate a bike's tendency to
shimmy.  I believe Jobst's FAQ discusses this.

However, if some characteristic as a side effect makes a bike more
likely to shimmy and the rider selects for the presence of that
characteristic, that could explain this as well.

> How else can it be explained?

If a badly loaded handlebar bag caused it, and the rider transferred
that badly loaded bag from bike to bike, that could also explain it.

If certain sizes were more likely than others to do it, and this rider
happened to need that particular size, that might explain it as well.




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[RBW] shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread Seth Vidal
Went out for a bit of a ride today and decided to veer from my charted
course to see what this one hill I'd heard about was like.

So I swung a right on borland and climbed for a good bit. Then a bit
more. then it leveled out and made a bend, then it went up a ways
further. I eventually reached the top and realized i had no idea where
I was. :)

Eventually found a road I recognized but having no idea which end of
the road I was on I soldiered on. I shoulda turned left on dimmocks
hill, but oh well, it worked out nicely enough. What should have been
25 miles ended up being 35 but, bah, what's being lost for 10 miles

The romulus felt great and while at first I didn't like the jack
browns I'm coming around to them. I like the noise they make on slick
asphalt and the lack of debris they seem to collect.

Things felt pretty good and the only pain I'm experiencing at this
minute is directly related to the 2 hours of weeding

A few pics from today:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/turnedthewrongwayoffofborland/

-sv

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[RBW] Re: shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread manueljohnacosta
Always an adventure when you get lost!

On Aug 8, 5:06 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Went out for a bit of a ride today and decided to veer from my charted
> course to see what this one hill I'd heard about was like.
>
> So I swung a right on borland and climbed for a good bit. Then a bit
> more. then it leveled out and made a bend, then it went up a ways
> further. I eventually reached the top and realized i had no idea where
> I was. :)
>
> Eventually found a road I recognized but having no idea which end of
> the road I was on I soldiered on. I shoulda turned left on dimmocks
> hill, but oh well, it worked out nicely enough. What should have been
> 25 miles ended up being 35 but, bah, what's being lost for 10 miles
>
> The romulus felt great and while at first I didn't like the jack
> browns I'm coming around to them. I like the noise they make on slick
> asphalt and the lack of debris they seem to collect.
>
> Things felt pretty good and the only pain I'm experiencing at this
> minute is directly related to the 2 hours of weeding
>
> A few pics from today:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/turnedthewrongwayoffofborland/
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy!

2010-08-08 Thread Angus
I rode the Quickbeam this morning, I have not had the bike shimmy
before so I tried all sorts of things to see if I could get it to
shimmy.  If I rode no-handed and leaned back in the seat (very little
weight on the front end) it could get a light shimmy.   Any movement
forward or touching the top tube with my leg stopped the shimmy.  I
don't view that as a problem at all.

I'm not sure this proves anything...other than perhaps a lack of good
judgment on my part.

Angus

On Aug 8, 5:41 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 15:31 -0700, Bob Cooper wrote:
> > If I have ten bikes and they all shimmy, and Rider X has ten bikes and
> > none of them shimmy, I think this points in this direction:
>
> > It’s the rider, not the bike.
>
> Certainly, rider actions can initiate or exacerbate a bike's tendency to
> shimmy.  I believe Jobst's FAQ discusses this.
>
> However, if some characteristic as a side effect makes a bike more
> likely to shimmy and the rider selects for the presence of that
> characteristic, that could explain this as well.
>
> > How else can it be explained?
>
> If a badly loaded handlebar bag caused it, and the rider transferred
> that badly loaded bag from bike to bike, that could also explain it.
>
> If certain sizes were more likely than others to do it, and this rider
> happened to need that particular size, that might explain it as well.

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[RBW] Re: shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread Angus
I've discovered some of my favorite roads by "getting lost."

Funny how you can "find" things by being "lost"!

Angus

On Aug 8, 7:06 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Went out for a bit of a ride today and decided to veer from my charted
> course to see what this one hill I'd heard about was like.
>
> So I swung a right on borland and climbed for a good bit. Then a bit
> more. then it leveled out and made a bend, then it went up a ways
> further. I eventually reached the top and realized i had no idea where
> I was. :)
>
> Eventually found a road I recognized but having no idea which end of
> the road I was on I soldiered on. I shoulda turned left on dimmocks
> hill, but oh well, it worked out nicely enough. What should have been
> 25 miles ended up being 35 but, bah, what's being lost for 10 miles
>
> The romulus felt great and while at first I didn't like the jack
> browns I'm coming around to them. I like the noise they make on slick
> asphalt and the lack of debris they seem to collect.
>
> Things felt pretty good and the only pain I'm experiencing at this
> minute is directly related to the 2 hours of weeding
>
> A few pics from today:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/turnedthewrongwayoffofborland/
>
> -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar

2010-08-08 Thread Fai Mao
I go with the Hillborne too.

You should buy a bike that are you are going to ride not one you might like
to ride. Unless you have an actual non-supported long distance tour setup
then the Sam is the better bike. I rode mine from Hong Kong to Shanghai this
past summer and don't think that I could have done better on another bike
dispite the flooding and bad roads in China.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hey.
>
> I'd go Hillborne. Presuming the 10% non-road riding you describe is
> *not* actual single-track, intentional-impediment, ascend/descend
> barely-a-trail mountain-brand mountain biking, then the Hillborne is
> well suited for your described riding.
>
> If the 10% *is* that sort of riding, go Hunqa or Bomba, no matter how
> smooth the rest of the riding is.
>
> I'm a happy 245lb owner of a 60cm double-top-tube Hillborne. I have no
> qualms about loading it with 15-45 extra lbs. I ride 700Cx38 tires
> @60psi and it is light and *smooth* on gravelly rutty trails as well
> as decent roads. I ride both, about 50/50. get SKS 700c 50mm fenders
> and some decent flaps and you can regularly go pretty much anywhere
> anywhen short of aforementioned mountain biking.
>
> Needless to say, I don't expect to be 245lbd for long!
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lunn Skean
>
>
> On Aug 6, 10:54 pm, ewb  wrote:
> > I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or
> > Hunqapillar.
> >
> > I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load.  However
> > one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off-
> > road the other 10% of the time.  I like the exta stoutness of the
> > Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded
> > capacity if I ever need it.  One concern that I have is whether the
> > extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less
> > zippy) than the Hillborne.   Does anyone here have riding experience
> > on both bikes?  If so could you please share your opinion about how
> > their ride quality compares?  Please also let me know if you have any
> > other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> > Ernie
>
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Re: [RBW] Need 650b Tires

2010-08-08 Thread Fai Mao
I like the Niffty Swifty tires. My only issue with them is the lack of
availability in Asia

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:11 AM, d2mini  wrote:

> 3000 miles on my nifty swiftys, tread is wearing off and plenty of
> little holes/scars.
> Any suggestions for the best commuting tire on rough and dirty city
> streets, 25 miles round trip?
> Or stick with the nifty swifty?
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread Esteban
Your story has caused me to resolve to "get lost" this week.  I hope i
can do it!

Esteban
San Diego, Calif,

On Aug 8, 7:16 pm, Angus  wrote:
> I've discovered some of my favorite roads by "getting lost."
>
> Funny how you can "find" things by being "lost"!
>
> Angus
>
> On Aug 8, 7:06 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Went out for a bit of a ride today and decided to veer from my charted
> > course to see what this one hill I'd heard about was like.
>
> > So I swung a right on borland and climbed for a good bit. Then a bit
> > more. then it leveled out and made a bend, then it went up a ways
> > further. I eventually reached the top and realized i had no idea where
> > I was. :)
>
> > Eventually found a road I recognized but having no idea which end of
> > the road I was on I soldiered on. I shoulda turned left on dimmocks
> > hill, but oh well, it worked out nicely enough. What should have been
> > 25 miles ended up being 35 but, bah, what's being lost for 10 miles
>
> > The romulus felt great and while at first I didn't like the jack
> > browns I'm coming around to them. I like the noise they make on slick
> > asphalt and the lack of debris they seem to collect.
>
> > Things felt pretty good and the only pain I'm experiencing at this
> > minute is directly related to the 2 hours of weeding
>
> > A few pics from today:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/turnedthewrongwayoffofborland/
>
> > -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

2010-08-08 Thread cyclotourist
Not too big... 30mm Paselas.  That's actually the weakness of the bike.  It
can't ride much larger than 32mm w/out hitting the brake bridge/fork crown.
Not like current Riv bikes, that's for sure!

I don't know what the BB drop is.  And in fact, there's always the chance
that I measured incorrectly :-)

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Mojo  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> My '01 61.5cm/24inch Riv Road has an 85.5cm mid-toptube standover
> height. This with 10mm BB drop and RollyPoly tires. 1.5cm standover
> difference between your and mine is alot! I am guessing you are riding
> big cushy tires?
>
>
> On Aug 7, 11:14 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Just measured my '01 Riv Road.  It's a 61cm frame and has an ~87cm
> standover
> > middle of the tube.  I have an 89cm PBH.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:32 PM, rob markwardt  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sounds really close to a 63 Romulus...
> >
> > >http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/romulus/pages/17-downtubedecal.html
> >
> > > Standover is listed as 87.7 so it might be a tight squeeze.  That
> > > being said I ride a 64 Rambouillet (standover listed at 87.8) and I
> > > have a soh of about 88.5 and it's probably my favorite bike.  As you
> > > can see I don't have much post or stem showing but once in the saddle
> > > it doesn't matter.
> >
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/4719326085/
> >
> > > On Aug 6, 7:08 pm, ejg  wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the info folks.
> > > > The frame in question is a 97 and has these dimensions
> >
> > > > 61.5cm C to C seat tube, 63cm C to T
> > > > 60cm C to C top tube
> > > > 44.5cm chain stay, +/- 'cause they're adjustable
> > > > 72 degree seat ube
> > > > 73 degree head tube
> > > > 6cm trail
> >
> > > > On Aug 6, 12:22 pm, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hi,
> >
> > > > > Here's a link to the the specs on my 63.5 cm Riv as an example:
> > >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QcCa4M8hwDI/SlusiESSwVI/AG0/EEdsStu.
> ..
> >
> > > > > I have a PBH of nearly 83cm, or 6cm, longer than the original
> poster,
> > > and this frame works well for me.
> >
> > > > > There's also a link on the Riv website on PBH and sizing of frames:
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it
> >
> > > > > According to this, the original poster would ride a 60-62cm Riv
> Frame.
> > > On larger frames they inidicate the use of a PBH-27 formula in general,
> > > which is the 60cm number. If you tend to ride in cycling shoes with
> cleats
> > > (look or shimano or speedplay road) where you have some added height, I
> > > wouldn't hesitate to recommend the 62, but if not, the 60 may be a
> better
> > > way to go for straddling purposes.
> >
> > > > > Hope that helps,
> >
> > > > > Joe
> >
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:52:35 -0700
> > > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing
> > > > > > From: subfas...@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >
> > > > > > It is my understanding that the riv road geometry changed over
> it's
> > > > > > production time.  My '96 54cm Road Standard with a 73 degree seat
> > > tube
> > > > > > has a stand over height of right about 79cm with 700x28c tires.
>  61 -
> > > > > > 54 is 7cm seat tube difference, plus a slightly more slack seat
> tube
> > > > > > 72.5 according to the 97 catalog, put the stand over height at
> 86cm
> > > > > > which would seem just right for a Riv.  Keep in mind a couple
> things.
> > > > > > The Road Standards were available as semi custom, so there were
> > > > > > standard (60) and short top tube (58.5) varieties.  Also I assume
> > > this
> > > > > > is a bike you have considering purchasing, I would double check
> that
> > > > > > the seller measured center to top.  There was a 62cm frame option
> as
> > > > > > well which might almost eat up that extra cm of height.  I hope
> that
> > > > > > helps.
> >
> > > > > > Jason
> >
> > > > > > On Aug 5, 7:35 pm, ejg  wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > > > does anyone here know the standover height on a 61 cm Riv road.
> Top
> > > > > > > tube length is not a concern, as I have a long torso and long
> arms.
> > > > > > > I am 6' and have a 87cm PBH ( just strong of 34")
> > > > > > > Another consideration would be doing a 650b conversion
> > > > > > > Thanks
> >
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[RBW] Re: What a beautiful hub!

2010-08-08 Thread benzzoy
On Aug 8, 5:24 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Stiill, it's beautiful, and we just move the aesthetics cutoff a few years
> forward. So this hub would date from when?

The polished Campagnolo hubs with the allen bearing adjustment were
available from '99 to '06.  You can still occasionally find these on
eBay and in the dusty corners of old-time shops but they are usually
quite expensive.  As examples, on Aug 1, a 28-hole hub set went for
$643 and a 32-hole set went for $481 on eBay.  Heck, another bidder
paid $130.50 just for the skewers from that era!  At those prices, one
can easily consider White Industries or DT hubs with the Campagnolo-
splined freehub body.  Or perhaps Phils with a Shimano/SRAM cassette
and a J-tek device.

But yes, the polished Campagnolo hubs are quite nice looking, quite
lightweight and quite durable.  The functionality/serviceability is
second to none.

-B

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

2010-08-08 Thread Bruce
David:

Are we talking YOUR BB drop, or the bikes?  

Re: tire size. One nicety of converting my road std to 650B is that 38mm 
Pari-Motos fit in now. Rode a hilly, hot, humid metric that way just yesterday 
in fact.

Tailwinds

Bruce





From: cyclotourist 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 9:59:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

Not too big... 30mm Paselas.  That's actually the weakness of the bike.  It 
can't ride much larger than 32mm w/out hitting the brake bridge/fork crown.  
Not 
like current Riv bikes, that's for sure!

I don't know what the BB drop is.  And in fact, there's always the chance that 
I 
measured incorrectly :-)
.



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing

2010-08-08 Thread cyclotourist
That's the sort of thing that you can do by yourself, but is always better
with a partner.

As for converting, yes, I've given it a though, but the bike is so well made
around the current size, even with it's limitations...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157604957732600/with/2477660284/



On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Bruce  wrote:

> David:
>
> Are we talking YOUR BB drop, or the bikes?
>
> Re: tire size. One nicety of converting my road std to 650B is that 38mm
> Pari-Motos fit in now. Rode a hilly, hot, humid metric that way just
> yesterday in fact.
>
> Tailwinds
>
> Bruce
>
> --
> *From:* cyclotourist 
>
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Sun, August 8, 2010 9:59:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Road sizing
>
> Not too big... 30mm Paselas.  That's actually the weakness of the bike.  It
> can't ride much larger than 32mm w/out hitting the brake bridge/fork crown.
> Not like current Riv bikes, that's for sure!
>
> I don't know what the BB drop is.  And in fact, there's always the chance
> that I measured incorrectly :-)
> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> Your story has caused me to resolve to "get lost" this week.  I hope i
> can do it!
>

I have this one friend who I can always count on to be in close
proximity to some sort of internet connected device. I stopped at one
intersection, called him (I don't have one of the fancy phones with a
map on it) and said "where the hell am I?". He found it rather
amusing.


Good luck getting lost, I have to say a bright side is I know where
two more roads are that I want to try out.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: shoulda turned left

2010-08-08 Thread James Warren

"I can't get lost, I can't get confused.
 Something's misplaced, maybe for good."

-from "Shipyards of New Zealand" by Midnight Oil.

-Original Message-
>From: Esteban 

>Your story has caused me to resolve to "get lost" this week.  I hope i
>can do it!
>
>Esteban
>San Diego, Calif,
>
>On Aug 8, 7:16 pm, Angus  wrote:
>> I've discovered some of my favorite roads by "getting lost."
>>
>> Funny how you can "find" things by being "lost"!
>>
>> Angus
>>
>> On Aug 8, 7:06 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Went out for a bit of a ride today and decided to veer from my charted
>> > course to see what this one hill I'd heard about was like.
>>
>> > So I swung a right on borland and climbed for a good bit. Then a bit
>> > more. then it leveled out and made a bend, then it went up a ways
>> > further. I eventually reached the top and realized i had no idea where
>> > I was. :)
>>
>> > Eventually found a road I recognized but having no idea which end of
>> > the road I was on I soldiered on. I shoulda turned left on dimmocks
>> > hill, but oh well, it worked out nicely enough. What should have been
>> > 25 miles ended up being 35 but, bah, what's being lost for 10 miles
>>
>> > The romulus felt great and while at first I didn't like the jack
>> > browns I'm coming around to them. I like the noise they make on slick
>> > asphalt and the lack of debris they seem to collect.
>>
>> > Things felt pretty good and the only pain I'm experiencing at this
>> > minute is directly related to the 2 hours of weeding
>>
>> > A few pics from today:
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/tags/turnedthewrongwayoffofborland/
>>
>> > -sv
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[RBW] Re: What a beautiful hub!

2010-08-08 Thread bfd


On Aug 8, 5:29 pm, benzzoy  wrote:
> On Aug 8, 5:24 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > Stiill, it's beautiful, and we just move the aesthetics cutoff a few years
> > forward. So this hub would date from when?
>
> The polished Campagnolo hubs with the allen bearing adjustment were
> available from '99 to '06.  You can still occasionally find these on
> eBay and in the dusty corners of old-time shops but they are usually
> quite expensive.  As examples, on Aug 1, a 28-hole hub set went for
> $643 and a 32-hole set went for $481 on eBay.  Heck, another bidder
> paid $130.50 just for the skewers from that era!  At those prices, one
> can easily consider White Industries or DT hubs with the Campagnolo-
> splined freehub body.  Or perhaps Phils with a Shimano/SRAM cassette
> and a J-tek device.
>
Yow, are these prices for real?!!! I have a couple of used 32h silver
Chorus rear hubs in my garage. I wonder what they're worth?

> But yes, the polished Campagnolo hubs are quite nice looking, quite
> lightweight and quite durable.  The functionality/serviceability is
> second to none.
>
Agree, Campy made a great hub that is not only lightweight, but
pretty. However, some consider Campy rear hub to not be as strong as
say a Shimano because of the designed. i.e., inboard bearings and poor
dish. Still, with the oversized aluminum axle, you never heard of
Campy rear axles breaking, unlike the old NR/C-Rec freewheel rear hubs
where broken axles were quite common. Good Luck!

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[RBW] Radio interview with Grant from 8/2

2010-08-08 Thread Harry H
Grant did a radio interview last week (8/2). I thought the group might
like to check it out. Here is the link:

http://570wkbn.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=bicycling_today.xml

Harry

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar

2010-08-08 Thread ewb
Thank you everyone for your helpful comments.

I should have said in my original post that I have a Merlin Cyrene,
which I like for riding roads.  However, I cannot carry any load and I
am limited to 700c x 28 tires.  I also have a mountain bike, but I may
cannibalize it to build up either the Hillborne or Hunqapillar.

My main reason's for considering the Hillborne and Hunqapillar is that
I haven't been able to tweak my Cyrene to get the seat back far enough
or the handle bars high enough for optimal comfort and the Cyrene's
tire size limit.

I agree with everyone who said that the Hillborne seems to be the best
fit for my riding style.  It is also $500 cheaper while the Taiwanese
Hillbornes last.  However, I am a little concerned by the posts that
I've read (by a small minority of owners) that the Hillborne ride
quality can degrade under load; the fact that the latest version of
the Waterford 56cm Hillborne has 2 top tubes seems to confirm that
this is a potential issue.  I am also attracted by Rivendell's
discription of the Hunqapillars high quality tubing.

I'll let you know when I make a final decision.

Thanks,
Ernie

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[RBW] Photos from 2010 Marin Century

2010-08-08 Thread cyclofiend
Hey all -

Spent a few hours rolling around Marin and Sonoma counties on
Saturday, at the annual running of the Marin Century.  Had the Hilsen
all spiffed up and ready to go on the ride, which I'd anticipated
doing with Gino.  Alas, 'twas not to be, and after a bit of will-I/
won't-I monologues, I rolled out to the start.

Photos here -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157624557990317

Hopefully, I'll get a gap in the schedule this week to cobble together
a bit more of a ride report.

In the meantime, enjoy!

- Jim

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