RE: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09
Jim, thank you for the site. You are doing a great job. -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CycloFiend Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:35 PM To: rbw group Subject: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09 State of the Rivendell Bicycle Works Owner's Bunch Mailing List December 2009 - #9 There has not been an SOTL (State of the List) Report since February, and as we head into true winter, it seems that this is perhaps way overdue. In the past ten months, we've added around 327 new members to this group, most of whom probably have not seen one of these updates. Which is not in and of itself a bad thing. Honestly, I've been waiting it out a bit by design, to see what happened to the tone of the conversation without more regular reminders. I was a bit worried as we crested the 1,000 member mark, as that can be a time when everyone becomes a little bit more faceless, which is in turn when it becomes a bit easier to crack off a more sharply toned comment than might be necessary. This group has been considerably narrower and more specific in nature than others in the bicycle arena. We come here to talk about Rivendell bicycles and the equipment they design and sell. It's natural to put those things in the context of "what else is available" from other manufacturers, we do run the risk of just talking about bikes, in the general sense. As I've said before, and at the great risk of describing this group by what we are not, the more general we become, the less necessary we are. That being said, it's been extremely gratifying to watch the growth of the regional groups from within this list, where folks have coalesced into gangs of people riding bicycles and having fun together - spreading the word of what it is that's important. And what is important? I'm sure it's a bit different from me to you, but it's based on what we've practiced on this group discussion - respect, interest in adaptable and robust bicycles, solving technical issues, sharing knowledge and gaining riding skill. The fact this gets to be played out against a background of beckoning roads and trails just adds to the experience. Camaraderie. The ability to find something that brings us together in agreement. I'd like to thank everyone for keeping the discussions largely on track, and for continuing to demonstrate respect for others ideas, even if they are different. I said last time that it's gratifying to see everyone continuing to be polite and respectful on this list. We're heading into the period when most members are unable to ride, and cabin fever becomes a real issue. In that respect, it is important as we grow to honor the relatively narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have more general topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect border, but one which we've largely maintained. As I've said before, letting discussions end as they creep toward more general topics, not having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument) and, above all, maintaining the respect for one another within the group is what makes this list special. As always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the discussions. Projects and Features It's been quite a year for Rivendell output, between the Hillborne, Betty Foy and Yves Gomez, the Roadeo and a plethora of bags, racks and even rain gear. And a brand new catalog of frames as we close out the year. (and maybe even a pending Reader...) The Rivendell pages of the cyclofiend.com site haven't grown exponentially this year, but I've gotten things a bit back on track recently. I was hoping to get things going on the earlier models page, but the updates were a bit sparodic this year. I've been chipping away at things behind the scenes on that stuff, so hopefully I can indulge in a bit of an unveiling after the first of the year. If you don't know what I'm talking about, the Cyclofiend.com RBW pages are here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw It gets updated with various happenings, scans, images and such that get found in the news and info flow. I did create a "Rivendell Bicycle Owners Bunch on Facebook" page back in the beginning of the year - http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=127003115064 I'm certainly not pushing Facebook* at all, and honestly haven't checked in on the page for a while (113 members), and in no way do I see it as a replacement for this group. As I mentioned, I finally signed up a year ago for unrelated-to-bicycle reasons, and had bumped into quite a few folks there. It seemed like it might be a useful platform for coordinating rides in specific areas or for more quick-pinging type of communications. *In fact, I've more or less stayed away. You can and should search about previous Facebook issues with
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Personally, I am happier on larger frames, with just a handful of seat post sticking out than a small frame with extra long stem and skyscraper seatpost. It seems the bikes handle better too. From: rob markwardt To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 11:38:00 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings I was fitted there about 7 years ago and they recommended a 56cm Atlantis. Today I own a 64 Rambouillet and a 61 Bleriot (and a variety of other 62ish bikes). On Dec 12, 8:06 pm, Cycletex wrote: > I've been kinda wondered about those photos for awhile now. I always > thought they were from the far off, mythical "Land of Tall Stems and > Smiling People in Street Clothes". Definitely not Austin. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] looking for advice on stem seat post wanted
Wade: Welcome to the list, and what a great brother you have! The most my sibs have sent my way is a "re-cycled" key chain.(the red one here: http://www.olivebarn.com/recycled-colorful-key-chains.html) To answer your question: The typical rivvie build includes a a Nitto Technomic stem. If you go with this style (where you have to un wrap the bars and remove one side of brakes/shifters to get them in our out) I prefer the classier looking Nitto Dynamic stem. The function the same way. If you need a tall stem, Technomic or Periscopa will fit your situation. You may prefer an open face quill. where you just remove a face plate to get the bars out. A NOS Deda Murex is a fine example, and there are many others. This type of quill was very common on new bikes up to around 2000. For seat posts, if you are a bigger fellow, a two bolt post will stay put better than a single bolt and you can choose from straight posts through far set backs, depending on your fitting needs. Again the standard riv bike build would be Nitto S-63 (Crystal Fellow) or S-83 (Frog) or SP-72 (Jaguar, which is sometimes cited as the best seatpost available anywhere). Tailwinds From: Wade Vidal To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 8:08:22 PM Subject: [RBW] looking for advice on stem seat post wanted I am building my first Rivendell thanks to my brother getting me a romulus frame for X-mas(pretty cool gift). I've got my drivetrain coming from my LBS. I need to select seat post and stem and I'm looking for some suggestions and if anyone has anything for sale let me know. Here are some pics from my starting point. http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/4180215090/ Thanks, Wade. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS Items
Hi All, Some clarifications and price adjustments. I pay shipping. Paypal preffered. Thanks, Dave Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: nawr...@comcast.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:43:52 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [RBW] FS Items Hi All, Making some room, so I can get some other bike stuff... Paypal preffered or postal money order, I pay shipping to lower 48. Please reply off list. Brooks B-67 $95 now $85 Package of: Albatross Bars the wide ones Heat treated 25.4 clamp $55 52cm wide cro-mo now $45 Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe Stem $35 25.4 clamp now $30 Paul Thumbies with Dura Ace shifter levers $55 now $50 MKS Brake Levers $25 these are dai-compe levers now $20 Would like to sell all together but will consider parts. Nitto Technomic 9cm non deluxe long quill 25.4 $35 now $30 Nitto Periscopa new in package never used or inserted $35 now $30 Marks Rack new in package never used or opened $90 now $85 Sackville Saddlesack first generation very lightly used $95 now $90 Musa Butternut Pants size XL used lots of life left $25 now $20 Wheel Set: Phil Wood rear 36h 7 speed freewheel Sunrace 11-28, bought from Riv, Rich built, 500 miles 135 rear spacing Suntour XC9000 front 32h standard 100 spacing Skewers included Mavic MA3 rims, straight and true, great shape $320 now $295 pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_nawrocki/sets/72157622851523397/ Thanks, Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bike Sale Unrelated to Rivendell but Kinda...uhhh, Interesting?
Did you read the Q and A's below the bid? Hilarious! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Hmm. Looking through the photos I see a few that look like the frame is too small. But in looking at the owner, sometimes a reason seems to suggest itself (i.e. short torso and drop bars). Or a used bike. All my bikes (including two Rivendells) are "too small". Each for a reason. And on each one, the bars are way, way up there. Which, again, is my preference. Have tried riding a Riv in the correct size. Could barely reach the bars. Let alone get comfortable. Owned a different brand in that size and ended up using Albatross bars just to ride it. Sub-optimal to say the least. Guess am trying to say there might be more than one way for a person to be happy on a bike. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 12, 8:49�pm, james black wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 17:54, Aaron Thomas wrote: > > Nice collection of lugged goodness. But I seem to detect a theme for > > their bike builds: extra long stem extensions and bar height far in > > excess of saddle height. > > > Looks like many of those folks would be positioned like they're > > driving a bus. > > I agree - I think most of these people appear to have frames that are > too small, based on too much seat post extension as well as the tall > stems. I wouldn't go there for a fitting. > > I do hope it's working out for the customers. > > James Black > Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bike Sale Unrelated to Rivendell but Kinda...uhhh, Interesting?
That is funny! Maybe sad. Have seen racing types go through that type of situation before. Confession - will occasionally get that way myself with my music playing and wanting to sell off all the guitars, etc. Never taken it to that extreme. Wonder if there would have been more interest if there was a Legoas race bike included? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 12, 11:13�pm, Cycletex wrote: > Cyclocross dreams crushed. A story of obsession. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386088555 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS Items
Dave, If the wheels are still available, I am interested. Stephen From: "nawr...@comcast.net" To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] FS Items Hi All, Some clarifications and price adjustments. I pay shipping. Paypal preffered. Thanks, Dave Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: nawr...@comcast.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:43:52 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [RBW] FS Items Hi All, Making some room, so I can get some other bike stuff... Paypal preffered or postal money order, I pay shipping to lower 48. Please reply off list. Brooks B-67 $95 now $85 Package of: Albatross Bars the wide ones Heat treated 25.4 clamp $55 52cm wide cro-mo now $45 Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe Stem $35 25.4 clamp now $30 Paul Thumbies with Dura Ace shifter levers $55 now $50 MKS Brake Levers $25 these are dai-compe levers now $20 Would like to sell all together but will consider parts. Nitto Technomic 9cm non deluxe long quill 25.4 $35 now $30 Nitto Periscopa new in package never used or inserted $35 now $30 Marks Rack new in package never used or opened $90 now $85 Sackville Saddlesack first generation very lightly used $95 now $90 Musa Butternut Pants size XL used lots of life left $25 now $20 Wheel Set: Phil Wood rear 36h 7 speed freewheel Sunrace 11-28, bought from Riv, Rich built, 500 miles 135 rear spacing Suntour XC9000 front 32h standard 100 spacing Skewers included Mavic MA3 rims, straight and true, great shape $320 now $295 pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_nawrocki/sets/72157622851523397/ Thanks, Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09
Great stuff out there, CycloFiend. Keep up the good work! From: CycloFiend To: rbw group Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:34:31 PM Subject: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09 State of the Rivendell Bicycle Works Owner's Bunch Mailing List December 2009 - #9 There has not been an SOTL (State of the List) Report since February, and as we head into true winter, it seems that this is perhaps way overdue. In the past ten months, we've added around 327 new members to this group, most of whom probably have not seen one of these updates. Which is not in and of itself a bad thing. Honestly, I've been waiting it out a bit by design, to see what happened to the tone of the conversation without more regular reminders. I was a bit worried as we crested the 1,000 member mark, as that can be a time when everyone becomes a little bit more faceless, which is in turn when it becomes a bit easier to crack off a more sharply toned comment than might be necessary. This group has been considerably narrower and more specific in nature than others in the bicycle arena. We come here to talk about Rivendell bicycles and the equipment they design and sell. It's natural to put those things in the context of "what else is available" from other manufacturers, we do run the risk of just talking about bikes, in the general sense. As I've said before, and at the great risk of describing this group by what we are not, the more general we become, the less necessary we are. That being said, it's been extremely gratifying to watch the growth of the regional groups from within this list, where folks have coalesced into gangs of people riding bicycles and having fun together - spreading the word of what it is that's important. And what is important? I'm sure it's a bit different from me to you, but it's based on what we've practiced on this group discussion - respect, interest in adaptable and robust bicycles, solving technical issues, sharing knowledge and gaining riding skill. The fact this gets to be played out against a background of beckoning roads and trails just adds to the experience. Camaraderie. The ability to find something that brings us together in agreement. I'd like to thank everyone for keeping the discussions largely on track, and for continuing to demonstrate respect for others ideas, even if they are different. I said last time that it's gratifying to see everyone continuing to be polite and respectful on this list. We're heading into the period when most members are unable to ride, and cabin fever becomes a real issue. In that respect, it is important as we grow to honor the relatively narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have more general topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect border, but one which we've largely maintained. As I've said before, letting discussions end as they creep toward more general topics, not having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument) and, above all, maintaining the respect for one another within the group is what makes this list special. As always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the discussions. Projects and Features It's been quite a year for Rivendell output, between the Hillborne, Betty Foy and Yves Gomez, the Roadeo and a plethora of bags, racks and even rain gear. And a brand new catalog of frames as we close out the year. (and maybe even a pending Reader...) The Rivendell pages of the cyclofiend.com site haven't grown exponentially this year, but I've gotten things a bit back on track recently. I was hoping to get things going on the earlier models page, but the updates were a bit sparodic this year. I've been chipping away at things behind the scenes on that stuff, so hopefully I can indulge in a bit of an unveiling after the first of the year. If you don't know what I'm talking about, the Cyclofiend.com RBW pages are here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw It gets updated with various happenings, scans, images and such that get found in the news and info flow. I did create a "Rivendell Bicycle Owners Bunch on Facebook" page back in the beginning of the year - http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=127003115064 I'm certainly not pushing Facebook* at all, and honestly haven't checked in on the page for a while (113 members), and in no way do I see it as a replacement for this group. As I mentioned, I finally signed up a year ago for unrelated-to-bicycle reasons, and had bumped into quite a few folks there. It seemed like it might be a useful platform for coordinating rides in specific areas or for more quick-pinging type of communications. *In fact, I've more or less stayed away. You can and should search about previous Facebook issues with private user information, internal viruses, etc. before deciding if you want to mess
[RBW] Re: A Bike Sale Unrelated to Rivendell but Kinda...uhhh, Interesting?
I'm sure he doesn't expect to get a real bid - he didn't even put the bike sizes in the original text. Nice way to vent some frustration, though! On Dec 12, 10:20 pm, rcnute wrote: > Inside cyclocross joke maybe? Something is rotten in Denmark. > > On Dec 12, 9:13 pm, Cycletex wrote: > > > > > Cyclocross dreams crushed. A story of obsession. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386088555 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS Items
Hi Z, Wheels are yours! Paypal? If so my acct. is nawr...@comcast.net This is a great deal on a great wheel set, you will love them. Thanks, Dave Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: "Z" To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:36:41 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [RBW] FS Items Dave, If the wheels are still available, I am interested. Stephen From: "nawr...@comcast.net" To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] FS Items Hi All, Some clarifications and price adjustments. I pay shipping. Paypal preffered. Thanks, Dave Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: nawr...@comcast.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:43:52 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [RBW] FS Items Hi All, Making some room, so I can get some other bike stuff... Paypal preffered or postal money order, I pay shipping to lower 48. Please reply off list. Brooks B-67 $95 now $85 Package of: Albatross Bars the wide ones Heat treated 25.4 clamp $55 52cm wide cro-mo now $45 Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe Stem $35 25.4 clamp now $30 Paul Thumbies with Dura Ace shifter levers $55 now $50 MKS Brake Levers $25 these are dai-compe levers now $20 Would like to sell all together but will consider parts. Nitto Technomic 9cm non deluxe long quill 25.4 $35 now $30 Nitto Periscopa new in package never used or inserted $35 now $30 Marks Rack new in package never used or opened $90 now $85 Sackville Saddlesack first generation very lightly used $95 now $90 Musa Butternut Pants size XL used lots of life left $25 now $20 Wheel Set: Phil Wood rear 36h 7 speed freewheel Sunrace 11-28, bought from Riv, Rich built, 500 miles 135 rear spacing Suntour XC9000 front 32h standard 100 spacing Skewers included Mavic MA3 rims, straight and true, great shape $320 now $295 pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_nawrocki/sets/72157622851523397/ Thanks, Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bike Sale Unrelated to Rivendell but Kinda...uhhh, Interesting?
That is hilarious. Thanks for passing it out. I could totally see someone doing something like that with rando gear after a PBP or other 1200k fail. "The last items I am including are a National Champion Skin-suit and a bottle of Champagne. I stole the national champion skin-suit from my wife. Sometimes when no one is home I drink a few beers and slip on her skin-suit and stare in the mirror for hours just to feel special. Just pull on the skin-suit and walk around the cyclocross venue in BEND drinking large gulps of cheap Champagne. I promise by the time you finish the entire bottle you will feel like a winner and probably convince yourself to come back next year and race again. Most of the spectators will congratulate you like you’re Katie Compton or Ryan Trebon." On Dec 12, 9:13 pm, Cycletex wrote: > Cyclocross dreams crushed. A story of obsession. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386088555 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: State of the List - 12/12/09
Any chance of a Sam Hillborne Fickr page on the Cyclofiend Site any time soon? ps. Great updates, thank you -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] contemplating change: 1999 longlow
When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; --The bike would be a rear-loader. Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as anything; --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change my fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to change it. My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. Beth Portland, OR http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com http://veloquent.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] contemplating change: 1999 longlow
I'd ask the builders you know if they take on quick jobs like canti-bosses and if not, who they would recommend locally (someone in PDX has to have some torch time available!!!). FWIW, I talked to Mark Nobilette about adding a kick-stand plate and he said no big deal, just ship the frame over and he could get to it pretty quick. That was probably over a year ago, and I don't know if that availability has changed. The problem for me of course is the re-paint that has to come after that. If you want JB, it's gonna' be a while... On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM, b hamon wrote: > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > anything; > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change > my fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting > to change it. > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all > heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder > whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > Beth > Portland, OR > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > http://veloquent.blogspot.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Ken Nice Set up on the Atlantis -is that a Dirtdrop stem and handlebar combo? looks good On Dec 12, 8:05 pm, Ken Mattina wrote: > Funny you would say that. > > I bought my Atlantis at Aaron's. I have a 79cm pbh and he put me on a 51cm > bike with a very tall nitto stem. > > Within 6 months I decided it was too small for me. Fortunately someone on > the ibob list had the exact opposite problem. > > Their Atlantis was too big and they wanted a smaller bike. I ended up > trading it for a 53cm and was much happier with the fit. > > Here are photos: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ken.mattina/KenSAtlantis# > > By the way, I'm not trying to trash Aaron. He seemed like a nice enough > guy. I'm sure he has a reason for doing things the way he does. I just > ended up preferring a bigger bike. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM, james black wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 17:54, Aaron Thomas > > wrote: > > > Nice collection of lugged goodness. But I seem to detect a theme for > > > their bike builds: extra long stem extensions and bar height far in > > > excess of saddle height. > > > > Looks like many of those folks would be positioned like they're > > > driving a bus. > > > I agree - I think most of these people appear to have frames that are > > too small, based on too much seat post extension as well as the tall > > stems. I wouldn't go there for a fitting. > > > I do hope it's working out for the customers. > > > James Black > > Los Angeles, CA > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Where did the spring go? > Where did my hormones go? > Where did my energy go? > Where did my go go? > Where did the pleasure go? > Where did my hair go? > > -- Ray Davies- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: State of the List - 12/12/09
I offer two suggestions to all posters to any list. First, hang on to your sense of humor. Too many postings and comments are made with tongue in cheek and elicit too many offended responses. Second, if you do feel offended, before responding, ask yourself, did the poster intend to be offensive? If not, it's probably best to limit your response to the individual, rather than share it with all, where it can become a source of public offense. Michael In windy Westford, Vt and on his way out to cut a Christmas tree. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Ryan Did they still have the Bleriots prices at a grand? According to Riv's sizing the 57 would be the sweet spot for me and the one at Aaron's is the only one I know about. I guess it doesn't make too much difference what the price is as I don't have much in the new bike fund but just curious. Might have to swing by myself and look/lust at those frames. Ryan "Bleriotless in West Seattle" Surface On Dec 12, 5:25 pm, rcnute wrote: > I hadn't been to Aaron's Bicycle Repair in West Seattle for a few > years but stopped in on my ride today. They had five or six Atlantis > frames and two Bleriots (57 and 55). I seem to recall someone looking > for a Bleriot. Anyway, there you have it. http://www.rideyourbike.com/ > > Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
The fella who acquired my Bleriot had canti posts added and the fork re-raked. I think he spent maybe a hundred bucks; at any rate it was cheaper than I thought it would be. I bet if you called Tony P. he could refer you to someone good if he hasn't the time. Ryan On Dec 13, 10:03 am, cyclotourist wrote: > I'd ask the builders you know if they take on quick jobs like canti-bosses > and if not, who they would recommend locally (someone in PDX has to have > some torch time available!!!). > > FWIW, I talked to Mark Nobilette about adding a kick-stand plate and he said > no big deal, just ship the frame over and he could get to it pretty quick. > That was probably over a year ago, and I don't know if that availability has > changed. The problem for me of course is the re-paint that has to come > after that. If you want JB, it's gonna' be a while... > > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM, b hamon wrote: > > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > > anything; > > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change > > my fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting > > to change it. > > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all > > heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder > > whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > > Beth > > Portland, OR > > >http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > >http://veloquent.blogspot.com > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, > scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
650B? On Dec 13, 12:56 pm, b hamon wrote: > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > anything; > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change my > fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to > change it. > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all heavily > booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder whose > wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > Beth > Portland, OR > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > > http://veloquent.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
BB's already pretty low probably. -Original Message- > >650B? > >On Dec 13, 12:56 pm, b hamon wrote: >> When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: >> >> --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; >> --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic >> and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; >> --The bike would be a rear-loader. >> >> Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: >> >> --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as >> anything; >> --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change my >> fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; >> --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. >> >> It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to >> change it. >> My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add >> canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- >> SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To >> that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have >> another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait >> but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in >> framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all >> heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder >> whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. >> >> Beth >> Portland, OR >> >> http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com >> >> http://veloquent.blogspot.com > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
I did this (650B) on my 1st year Riv road, and it worked out great. The Longlow and the road have similar geometry >From Grant's write up cited on Cyclofiend: "The the RIVENDELL LONG LOW...similar to road, but slightly shallower head tube and made for longer reach brakes. Reach went from high forties (in the ROAD) to mid-50s in the LONG LOW." My actual BB dim is 7 1/8" from the floor with 33.4mm Maxy Fasty tires on 650B wheels. Beth, like me, does not use long crank arms (mine are 170) and pedal strike has never been an issue. From: James Warren To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 1:30:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow BB's already pretty low probably. -Original Message- > >650B? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Yup. On Dec 13, 10:50 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > Ryan > > Did they still have the Bleriots prices at a grand? According to > Riv's sizing the 57 would be the sweet spot for me and the one at > Aaron's is the only one I know about. I guess it doesn't make too > much difference what the price is as I don't have much in the new bike > fund but just curious. Might have to swing by myself and look/lust at > those frames. > > Ryan "Bleriotless in West Seattle" Surface > > On Dec 12, 5:25 pm, rcnute wrote: > > > I hadn't been to Aaron's Bicycle Repair in West Seattle for a few > > years but stopped in on my ride today. They had five or six Atlantis > > frames and two Bleriots (57 and 55). I seem to recall someone looking > > for a Bleriot. Anyway, there you have it. http://www.rideyourbike.com/ > > > Ryan > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
Or perhaps 650A ? As an interim measure- Both the Sun CR-18 and the Col de la Vie are available in ISO590 from Harris. A set of the 55-73mm dual pivot brakes /might/ work with the brake bridge where it is. You would lose about 1cm BB height, and 3mm trail, or so. On Dec 13, 11:24 am, doc wrote: > 650B? > > On Dec 13, 12:56 pm, b hamon wrote: > > > > > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > > anything; > > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change > > my fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting > > to change it. > > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all > > heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder > > whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > > Beth > > Portland, OR > > >http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > > >http://veloquent.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] contemplating change: 1999 longlow
Beth, and others contemplating this, as general advice for this type of thing, if you do know a framebuilder or have one nearby, you can usually call and schedule a time to drop off your frame for simple quick repairs. If you just want a few braze ons and no paint, many builders will slip you in the queue for a quick turnaround job. Offer to pay cash. If you want a repaint/powdercoat, try to pick a builder that does this in house and again, offer to pay cash. Some builders are way too busy for repair or reworks, but lots of others do quick turnaround jobs for cashflow help and appreciate the work. Repair and repaint is pretty lucrative for people who are good with the torch. Call first! and make sure that when you drop off the frame, that it is just a bare frame in clean condition, so they can throw it in the stand and get to brazing without having to remove bb's or headsets, etc... Usually a sixer of good beer or a good bottle of wine etc is appreciated if you got a solid favor from a busy builder. Specific to Beth's question, you can probably get the canti bosses done frame and fork for $100 or so, I would not be surprised at plus or minus 50 on that. I think you are in a good market for it. Moving the bridge could be anywhere between 20 and 100 depending on what your bridge looks like, how easy it is to remove and what kind of bridge you want in there (just a tube with no hole? Arched bridge? Canti hanger? Diamond reinforcements?) . Call around though, I suspect you know enough framebuilders personally that it should be pretty easy to get it done, cash will help. . Repaint will cost what you want it to cost, from $50-100 at the local powdercoat shop up to whatever you want joe bell to do. Have fun. Making a frame work for you again is the best part about owning a steel bike. Tarik On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, b hamon wrote: > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > anything; > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change > my fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting > to change it. > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all > heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder > whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > Beth > Portland, OR > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > http://veloquent.blogspot.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] BB Height on Road or Long Low
Of course, I MEANT to write my BB is 10 1/8" after a 650B conversion... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] ST Glove review
Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review. Just have done two rides with these gloves so far. Yesterday was in the mid 20's with not a ton of bad wind. Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty warm. In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at the end. But how about colder? Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens and a wind chill right around zero (F not C). Again, the gloves were toasty warm. Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through the fabric and the hands would feel cold. Nope. Not at all. On to sizing. Mine are large. And yes, one is aware of the thumb. But that's all. To me, it's not tight. Just doesn't have the quarter inch or more to the end the fingers do. With the hand wrapped around a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right. Comfortable. All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up. My new non-extreme favorite winter glove. (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in small. A touch large, but not unreasonable.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
Does Waterford do this kind of stuff? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] contemplating change: 1999 longlow
on 12/13/09 9:56 AM, b hamon at periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: (snipped) > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to > change it. That's actually pretty minimal change for ten years of riding the same bike. At the time, 700C x 32 tires were pretty much an outlier on the spectrum of available sizes. It's interesting to see how much that has changed in terms of what folks think are "big" tires and to realize that Grant's design evolution has both followed and driven things that direction. > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait but > probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in framebuilder-glutted > Portland, the builders I know personally are all heavily booked into the next > decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder whose wait-list is shorter would > be welcome. Switching to a set of canti braze-ons shouldn't be too big a deal. That used to be a not-unheard of mod to create a cross frame out of a disused road bike. The only thing to watch (and I _doubt_ it would be an issue on the Riv) is seatstay or fork blade flex due to stresses that weren't considered in tubing choice. I would think that Riv could supply the info on wall thickness if you don't know it. In raising the bridge, I'd probably make sure you put it as high as you could - in another 10 years, we probably will be all riding 58's... ;^) Looks like you've got the room on the front. How is the width clearance on the chainstays? http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc011-bethhamon0605.html In the SF Bay Area, Ed Litton or Bernie Mikkelsen would be my "go-to" frame builders for that type of work. I would bet you'll pay as much or more in paint than for the metalwork. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Three T-shirts Now Available: "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] ST Glove review
OK, I give. What are "ST gloves?" --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: From: EricP Subject: [RBW] ST Glove review To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:32 PM Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review. Just have done two rides with these gloves so far. Yesterday was in the mid 20's with not a ton of bad wind. Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty warm. In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at the end. But how about colder? Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens and a wind chill right around zero (F not C). Again, the gloves were toasty warm. Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through the fabric and the hands would feel cold. Nope. Not at all. On to sizing. Mine are large. And yes, one is aware of the thumb. But that's all. To me, it's not tight. Just doesn't have the quarter inch or more to the end the fingers do. With the hand wrapped around a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right. Comfortable. All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up. My new non-extreme favorite winter glove. (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in small. A touch large, but not unreasonable.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Thanks for the kind words, Ryan. Yes original WTB dirtdrop handlebars and Nitto dirtdrop stem. Funny thing I went through two framesets and maybe 6 or 7 builds before I could get the bike just right. I started with a roadified Atlantis and ended up with a touring rig. Ken On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:42 AM, RoadieRyan wrote: > Ken > > Nice Set up on the Atlantis -is that a Dirtdrop stem and handlebar > combo? looks good > > On Dec 12, 8:05 pm, Ken Mattina wrote: > > Funny you would say that. > > > > I bought my Atlantis at Aaron's. I have a 79cm pbh and he put me on a > 51cm > > bike with a very tall nitto stem. > > > > Within 6 months I decided it was too small for me. Fortunately someone > on > > the ibob list had the exact opposite problem. > > > > Their Atlantis was too big and they wanted a smaller bike. I ended up > > trading it for a 53cm and was much happier with the fit. > > > > Here are photos: > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ken.mattina/KenSAtlantis# > > > > By the way, I'm not trying to trash Aaron. He seemed like a nice enough > > guy. I'm sure he has a reason for doing things the way he does. I just > > ended up preferring a bigger bike. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM, james black > wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 17:54, Aaron Thomas > > > wrote: > > > > Nice collection of lugged goodness. But I seem to detect a theme for > > > > their bike builds: extra long stem extensions and bar height far in > > > > excess of saddle height. > > > > > > Looks like many of those folks would be positioned like they're > > > > driving a bus. > > > > > I agree - I think most of these people appear to have frames that are > > > too small, based on too much seat post extension as well as the tall > > > stems. I wouldn't go there for a fitting. > > > > > I do hope it's working out for the customers. > > > > > James Black > > > Los Angeles, CA > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Where did the spring go? > > Where did my hormones go? > > Where did my energy go? > > Where did my go go? > > Where did the pleasure go? > > Where did my hair go? > > > > -- Ray Davies- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves
Ooops. You and Steve got me on that. These are the winter ST gloves on the Rivendell website. (Am trying to hold to the list charter and only talking about stuff sold by Riv.) Anyway, wanted to add that the gloves are puffy. Not thin "high tech" style gloves. So the hands are a bit more encumbered. Might be a factor with brifter equipped bikes. However, was still able to operate my winter camera with them on. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 13, 3:16�pm, Ray Shine wrote: > OK, I give. What are "ST gloves?" > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: > > From: EricP > Subject: [RBW] ST Glove review > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:32 PM > > Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review.� Just have done two > rides with these gloves so far.� Yesterday was in the mid 20's with > not a ton of bad wind.� Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty > warm.� In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at > the end. > > But how about colder?� Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens > and a wind chill right around zero (F not C).� Again, the gloves were > toasty warm.� Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through > the fabric and the hands would feel cold.� Nope.� Not at all. > > On to sizing.� Mine are large.� And yes, one is aware of the thumb. > But that's all.� To me, it's not tight.� Just doesn't have the quarter > inch or more to the end the fingers do.� With the hand wrapped around > a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right.� Comfortable. > > All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up.� My new non-extreme favorite > winter glove.� (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in > small.� A touch large, but not unreasonable.) > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
Tarik said: "Making a frame work for you again is the best part about owning a steel bike." I wholeheartedly agree. And Jim's comment that my desired changes are relatively few for having had the frame just over a decade are a testament to both my self-knowledge as a bicycle rider and Grant's ability to glean that from our pre-build discussions. I asked for a frameset that would "see me out" -- literally. I planned to ride it until I was too old to ride a bike, so I wanted a frame of what Grant called "cockroach durability", weight be damned. He selected slightly heavier tubing for me and designed a frame that offered tremendous flexibility in set-up, including a custom, shorter top tube to account for my typically female geometry. (The frameset is 55cm square, c-to- c.) In the ten years I've had the bike it's been set up as a city bike with three different kinds of upright bar, and for about a year and a half as a tourer with drops, a front rack and handlebar bag. The BB IS a little lower than on the Road Standard of the same era, and I'm happy enough with 700c wheels that I'm not contemplating a change to 650b. Grant's design gave me plenty of room to handle a wider tire, and I'm fairly sure that I just need to get rid of the dual-pivot brakes to accommodate that. The only quibble we had at the time was that Grant was not willing to include a kickstand plate. Instead he suggested I use a rear-mount kickstand. It was early in Rivendell's history and I'm sure that, like me, Grant knows many more things now about what he likes in a bike. We all make progressions and evolutions in our thinking about bicycles, and just about everything else, over time. (That would explain why kickstand plates are practically standard fare on most of Rivendell's frames now.) I've talked with a couple of folks, including a dear friend who lives back east and has done some framebuilding but is not fully set up in a shop yet. It's possible that if none of my Portland connections are available this winter, I might actually ship the frameset to my friend back east if he's amenable, and have cantis and a kickstand plate put on, along with possible bridge-raising if absolutely needed. I hope to have all this done and the bike ready to rebuild by March 1 at the absolute latest. Not sure about paint yet. It's simply not in the budget for me to have the whole frame repainted, not even at a "cheap" place like Brooker's here in town (who charge 100 bucks and whose results get customer reviews that really run the gamut from poor to excellent). I could just Do The Typical Beth Thing and paint over the primered places with almost matching touch-up paint from a bottle and call it good. With the rest of my frameset touched up similarly, and with the few dents the frame now has, this thing will never be a showpiece ever again anyway, and that is really, really okay with me. I'm a fan of beausage. Thanks to all for your suggestions. They help to clarify my thinking a lot. --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
Beth, Don't you own a green Rivendell with cantilevers...perhaps an All- Rounder. Angus On Dec 13, 11:56 am, b hamon wrote: > When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: > > --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; > --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic > and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; > --The bike would be a rear-loader. > > Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: > > --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as > anything; > --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change my > fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; > --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. > > It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to > change it. > My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add > canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- > SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To > that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have > another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait > but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in > framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all heavily > booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder whose > wait-list is shorter would be welcome. > > Beth > Portland, OR > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com > > http://veloquent.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
As a Ram/Atlantis/AHH owner who is currently attempting to turn his Quickbeam into a 3x5 derailler-shifter bike, I sympathize with the people who like having multiple overlapping-function bikes. :) -Jim W. (maybe I'm an addict) -Original Message- >From: Angus >Beth, > >Don't you own a green Rivendell with cantilevers...perhaps an All- >Rounder. > >Angus > >On Dec 13, 11:56 am, b hamon wrote: >> When I ordered my 1999 Custom LongLow, I knew a few things at the time: >> >> --I wanted to be able to run 32mm tires with fenders; >> --I wanted long-reach side-pull brakes because I was still a young mechanic >> and fund them easier to adjust out on the road than cantis; >> --The bike would be a rear-loader. >> >> Fast-foward ten years and now I know some new things: >> >> --I can adjust cantis just fine and find that they stop just as well as >> anything; >> --after several attempts at frontloading I don't like it enough to change my >> fork rake to accommodate it, so I remain a rear-load rider; >> --I want to run bigger tires. With fenders. >> >> It's the classic dilemma of not knowing then what I know now, and wanting to >> change it. >> My 1999 LongLow could be much more bike, and getting a framebuilder to add >> canti braze-ons and perhaps raise the rear brake bridge a touch would -- >> SHOULD -- probably cost me less than buying another bike (sorry, Grant). To >> that end, how much should I expect to pay for these modifications? I have >> another bike to ride in the meantime so I can handle a couple months' wait >> but probably not much more than that. Also, while I live in >> framebuilder-glutted Portland, the builders I know personally are all >> heavily booked into the next decade. Suggestions for a second-tier builder >> whose wait-list is shorter would be welcome. >> >> Beth >> Portland, OR >> >> http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com >> >> http://veloquent.blogspot.com > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ST Glove review
Thanks for the quick review Eric. I suffer from cold (numb) fingers while riding in the winter...didn't know RBW had these. I've ordered a pair and we will see how they do! Thanks! Angus On Dec 13, 2:32 pm, EricP wrote: > Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review. Just have done two > rides with these gloves so far. Yesterday was in the mid 20's with > not a ton of bad wind. Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty > warm. In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at > the end. > > But how about colder? Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens > and a wind chill right around zero (F not C). Again, the gloves were > toasty warm. Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through > the fabric and the hands would feel cold. Nope. Not at all. > > On to sizing. Mine are large. And yes, one is aware of the thumb. > But that's all. To me, it's not tight. Just doesn't have the quarter > inch or more to the end the fingers do. With the hand wrapped around > a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right. Comfortable. > > All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up. My new non-extreme favorite > winter glove. (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in > small. A touch large, but not unreasonable.) > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: contemplating change: 1999 longlow
I might have missed something more important than I what I saw in your original post; but as I see it, your main objective is to use bigger tires with fenders. Have you tried or considered using a center pull brake first before adjusting the brake bridge and putting on canti studs? In my experience, you gain a touch or two of clearance with a switch to center pull brake from a caliper brake. Just a thought. -- Rene On Dec 13, 3:47 pm, beth h wrote: > Tarik said: "Making a frame work for you again is the best part about > owning a > steel bike." > > I wholeheartedly agree. And Jim's comment that my desired changes are > relatively few for having had the frame just over a decade are a > testament to both my self-knowledge as a bicycle rider and Grant's > ability to glean that from our pre-build discussions. I asked for a > frameset that would "see me out" -- literally. I planned to ride it > until I was too old to ride a bike, so I wanted a frame of what Grant > called "cockroach durability", weight be damned. He selected slightly > heavier tubing for me and designed a frame that offered tremendous > flexibility in set-up, including a custom, shorter top tube to account > for my typically female geometry. (The frameset is 55cm square, c-to- > c.) > > In the ten years I've had the bike it's been set up as a city bike > with three different kinds of upright bar, and for about a year and a > half as a tourer with drops, a front rack and handlebar bag. The BB IS > a little lower than on the Road Standard of the same era, and I'm > happy enough with 700c wheels that I'm not contemplating a change to > 650b. Grant's design gave me plenty of room to handle a wider tire, > and I'm fairly sure that I just need to get rid of the dual-pivot > brakes to accommodate that. > > The only quibble we had at the time was that Grant was not willing to > include a kickstand plate. Instead he suggested I use a rear-mount > kickstand. It was early in Rivendell's history and I'm sure that, like > me, Grant knows many more things now about what he likes in a bike. We > all make progressions and evolutions in our thinking about bicycles, > and just about everything else, over time. (That would explain why > kickstand plates are practically standard fare on most of Rivendell's > frames now.) > > I've talked with a couple of folks, including a dear friend who lives > back east and has done some framebuilding but is not fully set up in a > shop yet. It's possible that if none of my Portland connections are > available this winter, I might actually ship the frameset to my friend > back east if he's amenable, and have cantis and a kickstand plate put > on, along with possible bridge-raising if absolutely needed. > I hope to have all this done and the bike ready to rebuild by March 1 > at the absolute latest. > > Not sure about paint yet. It's simply not in the budget for me to have > the whole frame repainted, not even at a "cheap" place like Brooker's > here in town (who charge 100 bucks and whose results get customer > reviews that really run the gamut from poor to excellent). I could > just Do The Typical Beth Thing and paint over the primered places with > almost matching touch-up paint from a bottle and call it good. With > the rest of my frameset touched up similarly, and with the few dents > the frame now has, this thing will never be a showpiece ever again > anyway, and that is really, really okay with me. I'm a fan of > beausage. > > Thanks to all for your suggestions. They help to clarify my thinking a > lot. --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a "Tank". I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were very similar size wise. The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 pounds 12 ounces. The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. Is that a "Tank"? At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into consideration the length of the fork. The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm longer on the BLT. Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the LHT. Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise "quill" stem, call me "Old Fashioned", but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 inches of spacers. That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the bars higher if desired. Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their web page). The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter than the LHT with Surly racks. Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. The Groups I have coming are completely LX. The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com Any questions - feel free to give me a call. Regards, Bruce Gordon - www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves
Oh, OK! I was looking at those on the web site. Thanks for the report. Ray --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: From: EricP Subject: [RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:44 PM Ooops. You and Steve got me on that. These are the winter ST gloves on the Rivendell website. (Am trying to hold to the list charter and only talking about stuff sold by Riv.) Anyway, wanted to add that the gloves are puffy. Not thin "high tech" style gloves. So the hands are a bit more encumbered. Might be a factor with brifter equipped bikes. However, was still able to operate my winter camera with them on. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 13, 3:16�pm, Ray Shine wrote: > OK, I give. What are "ST gloves?" > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: > > From: EricP > Subject: [RBW] ST Glove review > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:32 PM > > Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review.� Just have done two > rides with these gloves so far.� Yesterday was in the mid 20's with > not a ton of bad wind.� Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty > warm.� In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at > the end. > > But how about colder?� Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens > and a wind chill right around zero (F not C).� Again, the gloves were > toasty warm.� Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through > the fabric and the hands would feel cold.� Nope.� Not at all. > > On to sizing.� Mine are large.� And yes, one is aware of the thumb. > But that's all.� To me, it's not tight.� Just doesn't have the quarter > inch or more to the end the fingers do.� With the hand wrapped around > a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right.� Comfortable. > > All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up.� My new non-extreme favorite > winter glove.� (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in > small.� A touch large, but not unreasonable.) > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
I love the fact that they are charging $1000 for the Bleriot frame. This alone would stop me from every buying anything from them. How do they justify it? Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves
I just ordered some of these Gore Bike Wear Radiator gloves from REI: http://www.rei.com/product/789290 Yes, not RBW related directly but it's getting cold here in Illadelphia! On Dec 13, 8:13 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Oh, OK! I was looking at those on the web site. Thanks for the report. > > Ray > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: > > From: EricP > Subject: [RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:44 PM > > Ooops. You and Steve got me on that. These are the winter ST gloves > on the Rivendell website. (Am trying to hold to the list charter and > only talking about stuff sold by Riv.) > > Anyway, wanted to add that the gloves are puffy. Not thin "high tech" > style gloves. So the hands are a bit more encumbered. Might be a > factor with brifter equipped bikes. However, was still able to > operate my winter camera with them on. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Dec 13, 3:16 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > > > OK, I give. What are "ST gloves?" > > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, EricP wrote: > > > From: EricP > > Subject: [RBW] ST Glove review > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:32 PM > > > Mind you, this is not a full on, long term review. Just have done two > > rides with these gloves so far. Yesterday was in the mid 20's with > > not a ton of bad wind. Rode 24 miles and the fingers stayed toasty > > warm. In fact, almost too warm as the hands were a touch sweaty at > > the end. > > > But how about colder? Today did 13 miles with temps in the low teens > > and a wind chill right around zero (F not C). Again, the gloves were > > toasty warm. Thought for sure the wind would eventually cut through > > the fabric and the hands would feel cold. Nope. Not at all. > > > On to sizing. Mine are large. And yes, one is aware of the thumb. > > But that's all. To me, it's not tight. Just doesn't have the quarter > > inch or more to the end the fingers do. With the hand wrapped around > > a flat bar, it felt, I dunno, right. Comfortable. > > > All in all, give it two toasty thumbs up. My new non-extreme favorite > > winter glove. (Oh yeah, and my wife actually likes her pair in > > small. A touch large, but not unreasonable.) > > > Eric Platt > > St. Paul, MN > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Bleriot sightings
Just go ahead and buy the bleriot elsewhere cheaper then. Oh wait... On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM, cm wrote: > I love the fact that they are charging $1000 for the Bleriot frame. > This alone would stop me from every buying anything from them. How do > they justify it? > > Cheers! > cm > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Today's RBW garage sale
So, who went to the garage sale today and what did you get? I want to get there next week but couldn't today. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
And the Rivendell content here is... On Dec 13, 7:57 pm, "Bruce Gordon" wrote: > I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several > groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. > So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. > First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a "Tank". > I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to > center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were > weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were > very similar size wise. > The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 > pounds 12 ounces. > > The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. > Is that a "Tank"? > At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed > for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. > > Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. > If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into > consideration the length of the fork. > The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That > is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm > longer on the BLT. > Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is > just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the > Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the > LHT. > Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise "quill" stem, call me "Old > Fashioned", but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 > inches of spacers. > That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what > the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the > bars higher if desired. > > Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly > Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their > web page). > The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces > for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. > That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter > than the LHT with Surly racks. > > Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This > is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. > > The Groups I have coming are completely LX. > The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of > much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. > > Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem > Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) > are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. > > Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com > > Any questions - feel free to give me a call. > Regards, > Bruce Gordon -www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Bike Twine Group
It's not a twelve step program, but here's a place to share images of twined (and shellacked) bicycle bits - http://www.flickr.com/groups/biketwine Yep, a group for twine lovers and those folks who think they may have lost it... ;^) - Jim (Inspired by Manny's uploads this evening) -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles." -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bike Twine Group
Jim, There used to be a couple of fully twined bikes in the marina (on the boards near the yachts) in sausalito. Cruisers. Fully wrapped and knotted. Great stuff, if they are still there, someone with some serious time and boat rope skills. Tarik On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > It's not a twelve step program, but here's a place to share images of twined > (and shellacked) bicycle bits - > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/biketwine > > Yep, a group for twine lovers and those folks who think they may have lost > it... ;^) > > - Jim (Inspired by Manny's uploads this evening) > > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > > "'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary > handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: > not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles." > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
In the recent thread about TIG-welded Rivendells, comments were made about the BLT's. Bruce didn't instigate the conversation. I think it's fair that he be allowed to address those comments before we wrap the discussion up. If folks have further comments or questions concerning the BLT's, they should feel free to discuss them on the touring or iBob lists, or perhaps by contacting Bruce directly. - J "Ya gotta Keep it Moderated..." on 12/13/09 8:03 PM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: > And the Rivendell content here is... > > On Dec 13, 7:57 pm, "Bruce Gordon" wrote: >> I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several >> groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. >> So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. >> First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a "Tank". >> I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to >> center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were >> weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were >> very similar size wise. >> The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 >> pounds 12 ounces. >> >> The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. >> Is that a "Tank"? >> At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed >> for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. >> >> Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. >> If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into >> consideration the length of the fork. >> The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That >> is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm >> longer on the BLT. >> Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is >> just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the >> Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the >> LHT. >> Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise "quill" stem, call me "Old >> Fashioned", but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 >> inches of spacers. >> That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what >> the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the >> bars higher if desired. >> >> Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly >> Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their >> web page). >> The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces >> for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. >> That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter >> than the LHT with Surly racks. >> >> Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This >> is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. >> >> The Groups I have coming are completely LX. >> The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of >> much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. >> >> Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem >> Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) >> are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. >> >> Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com >> >> Any questions - feel free to give me a call. >> Regards, >> Bruce Gordon -www.bgcycles.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sam Hillborne for a triathlon and a visit to RBWHQ (My first Riv!)
This is a follow up to the post "Visit to RBWHQ and Sam Hillborne purchase" (It's a little long but I wanted to include everything I wish I'd known when I started looking at the Hillborne) After much resistance my wife got me to take a Sam Hillborne for a test ride and the next thing I knew I'd handed over a credit card for a deposit. I'm new to cycling, in November I signed up with team-in-training to do a triathlon and raise money for cancer research. Up until this point I've been happy with any bike that rolls, but I've never really enjoyed riding. The tri that I'm doing is an Olympic, so the biking distance is only 25 miles. That said, I have a hard time being passed, so I didn't want to get a bike that would slow me down too much. The bike that I've been riding is an aluminum Giant with really compact geometry. As soon as I test rode the Hillborne I noticed that I could breath better (and I was smiling). My posture felt much more natural, chest more open. I think the combination of a longer top tube, a higher/less aggressive handlebar height, and wider handle bars made for much better breathing (and probably more belly room). The Hillborne rides beautifully, and the feel of the steel is much more humane than what I'm used to with my aluminum bike. The tires on the shop bike were chubby and plush. I was initially talked out of getting thinner tires and ended up calling back to meekly request the the Ruffy Tuffy tires (it felt like ordering a steak at a vegan restaurant). The Ruffys are a great ride and all the reviews say they are nearly impossible to puncture. They feel faster than the larger tires, and even though everyone at Rivendell said they looked strangely thin, they're 28mm and do a good job on the treacherous San Francico streets. Notes on the rest of the build: Wheels: I went for the budget wheel set. I met Rich Lesnik on my first visit and he couldn't have been nicer. If you don't know about Rich, he builds all the Riv custom wheel sets (here's his website: http://handsonwheels.com/). What I didn't know is that Rich also tunes all of the "budget" wheel sets. There's some cache with getting Rich to build your wheels from scratch, but the budget set is fantastic and they won't get out the door without Rich's approval. Shifters: I went with the bar end. The bar ends are made custom for Rivendell and they look beautiful. I chose friction instead of indexed, and they are smooth and easy to adjust. Cable housing: I asked if they could put blue cable housing on instead of the stock. It took a little extra time to arrive, but it looks sweet against the orange. If you haven't seen the orange paint it's a beautiful deep vibrant color with a gold shimmer. Cassette: Everyone suggested that an 8 speed cassette works best with the friction shifters. It's a triple so I have 24 gears (the granny gear seems like I could ride up a wall) Brakes: This will also be a commuter bike so I had interrupter brakes installed on the top bar. They have as much finesse as the levers on the drops and they were only $35. I got the IRD cantilever brakes. They have a great feel and a shiny finish that looks right on the Hillborne. Pedals: I put Shimano hybrid clipless pedals on and they work great with regular shoes and cleats. Visiting the shop If you haven't been there before, plan on driving past it at least once before you find it. Once you find it there's always a great feeling of being a kid in a candy shop, and you usually have to speak up to get some help. There's definitely no pressure sales pitches. Grant was there when I picked up my bike. He saw the saddle I brought in and quietly walked over and said something like "I'm gonna make this better for you". I introduced myself and he was just really nice. He grabbed some packing material, cut it up with a Swiss knife and started stuffing my saddle with it to give it better support. It looks clunky but as he said you can take a certain perverse satisfaction from having something like that on a brand new bike. In my head I have a custom built Grant Peterson saddle. It's beautifully janky and it's a lot more comfortable. I asked Grant about the name and he said that it's hard to find a name that's not cliche or taken. I said that Sam Hillborne sounds like a good English gentleman and he answered that it sounded like a good honest bike. If you haven't been to the shop before and are going to make a trip out I'd say plan on spending most of the day there. There's a ton of great riding in the area, and I'm surprised they even ask for names when you test ride a bike. My first test ride I was gone for about an hour and I think I could've been gone most of the day without a problem. Final thoughts Everyone who has seen the bike is incredibly impressed with the quality of the build. Jay built the bike and he did a beautiful job. You can tell that everyone at the shop loves the bike (it was great to see Grant with a big smile when he test rode mine). For pi
