[RBW] Re: Low Gap Road
thank you for those beautiful pictures. don c. On Apr 15, 10:53 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > Took my Riv Road for a little ride tonight on Low Gap Road out of > Ukiah, CA. The pavement ended, but my bike and I kept going. Saw at > least six deer. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157616840404994/ > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Found NOS Bleriot at Saturday Cycles Utah, built it, like it.
Congratulations on your new find. I found my Ram at Saturday Cycles 2 years ago and couldn't be happier with the bike and the service that they provided. On Apr 15, 6:48 pm, eflayer2 wrote: > I owned one of these when first available. I sold it due to other > competing bikes in the herd. Since sold old hardtail and was yearning > for something both gorgeous and comfy. Two times is the charmer. It > got built with my most favorite parts and the fit fits perfectly. > Nifty Swifty shod, B17 Special, barcons, etc. I am liking it. Fits > in perfect with Kogswell P58 and filleted custom Steve Rex. I don't > own much else, but quite fond of bike collection. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Found NOS Bleriot at Saturday Cycles Utah, built it, like it.
Great finds. OK, folks. If you see a NOS Bleriot or anything, and you don't want it - Post It Here First! On Apr 16, 5:59 am, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: > Congratulations on your new find. I found my Ram at Saturday Cycles 2 > years ago and couldn't be happier with the bike and the service that > they provided. > > On Apr 15, 6:48 pm, eflayer2 wrote: > > > I owned one of these when first available. I sold it due to other > > competing bikes in the herd. Since sold old hardtail and was yearning > > for something both gorgeous and comfy. Two times is the charmer. It > > got built with my most favorite parts and the fit fits perfectly. > > Nifty Swifty shod, B17 Special, barcons, etc. I am liking it. Fits > > in perfect with Kogswell P58 and filleted custom Steve Rex. I don't > > own much else, but quite fond of bike collection. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Found NOS Bleriot at Saturday Cycles Utah, built it, like it.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Esteban wrote: > > Great finds. > OK, folks. If you see a NOS Bleriot or anything, and you don't want it > - Post It Here First! > Doesn't the Country Bike Shop still have some Bleriots sitting around? When I was at Mountain Sports Ltd in Bristol, VA in January they had a Ram, some AHH and at least one bleriot. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Thank-you, Doug! All the best, John On Apr 15, 12:40 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: > John: > > Well, there is a Rivendell philosophy (as with most businesses), and I > happen to like it just fine. I'm putting my own spin on it but something > like "sensible bikes and related stuff that you're really going to use in > the real world". Love my Atlantis and various wooly bits but also have > allowed Lycra to touch my Brooks saddle. > > Doug "still waiting for my secret Riv de-coder ring" P > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John at Rivendell > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:14 AM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan > > The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a > lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on > orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret > handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. > > Cheers, > > John at RBW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Low Gap Road
Eric Very nice. How far did you go on Low Gap? Low Gap eventually join Comptche Ukiah Road and then it heads to the coast. How much of it was unpaved? I haven't been on that road in years! Franklyn On Apr 16, 3:44 am, dpco wrote: > thank you for those beautiful pictures. > don c. > > On Apr 15, 10:53 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > > Took my Riv Road for a little ride tonight on Low Gap Road out of > > Ukiah, CA. The pavement ended, but my bike and I kept going. Saw at > > least six deer. > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157616840404994/ > > > --Eric > > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New to me All Rounder
Version 1 of the TrekAR is up. The sun came out today and I was itching to open the pasture gate and let it out. Rides as good as it looks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/3447009893/in/set-72157615116858932/ On Apr 15, 6:19 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > Marty: > > That frame is in great shape! I can think of a many 29 year olds with > a lot more wear and tear. I would be real jealous except of course > the frame is just a little big for my 5 feet 11 inches. This is is > going to be a great build up. Keep those flickr updates coming. > > On Apr 15, 12:04 pm, Marty wrote: > > > FYI here's the Flickr set I'll be adding to. This shows the as-found > > condition of the bike. > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/sets/72157615116858932/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Low Gap Road
About five miles on the dirt part. I had to turn around because itbwad getting late. Looking at a map, I could have been there for hours. --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:14 AM, franklyn wrote: > > Eric > > Very nice. How far did you go on Low Gap? Low Gap eventually join > Comptche Ukiah Road and then it heads to the coast. How much of it was > unpaved? I haven't been on that road in years! > > Franklyn > > On Apr 16, 3:44 am, dpco wrote: >> thank you for those beautiful pictures. >> don c. >> >> On Apr 15, 10:53 pm, Eric Norris wrote: >> >>> Took my Riv Road for a little ride tonight on Low Gap Road out of >>> Ukiah, CA. The pavement ended, but my bike and I kept going. Saw >>> at >>> least six deer. >> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157616840404994/ >> >>> --Eric >>> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New to me All Rounder
Hey Marty- Just looked at the pictures of your Trek 850 you posted. It looks fantastic and the original paint is in remarkable shape. Great job! In the picture of my old Trek 950 I sent you, the tires were Ritchey Tom Slicks. I like the Avocet Cross tires, although they are hard to find. On my Atlantis, I've used the Avocet Cross, and Paselas in 1.25 and 1.75 inch widths. I hope Riv will be stocking more of the Pasela 26 x 1.75 tires. These are great and probably the closest thing I'll get to the mythical "650B experience". Yep, I started out with the moustache bars on the Atlantis and they are great for commuting and shorter rides but now I have 46 cm, cyclocross style drop bars which work better for longer road rides. On a couple of Adventure Cycling led trips on rail trails, I've missed the 'stache bars and the easier access to the brakes, but overall I like the drop bars better. Best, Doug Martin Gierke wrote: > Thanks Doug - and that's exactly what I'm thinking I'll end up with. > It's a great looking bike. What tires did you use on this one? Not a > big fan of blackwalls, and these look like Continentals maybe? Did you > stick with Mustachio bars on the Atlantis? > > Cheers, > > Marty > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, J. Douglas Way wrote: > >> Hi Marty- >> >> I read your post about turning a Trek 850 into an AR type bike with >> great interest. I did this with a newer, but lugged, early 90s Trek >> 950. A picture of that build is attached. I had a blast doing this. >> I later sold that bike and bought an Atlantis about 5 years ago. >> >> Good luck! >> Doug Way >> Boulder, CO >> >>> Came across this and thought it was cool. Sounds like the first ever >>> AR. May try to emulate this type of bike with my old (one of the first >>> ever) Trek 850. Planning three stem/bar set-ups until I figure out >>> which feels best to my aging frame. (Me,not the Trek) I have Albatross/ >>> Technomic/Thumb Shifters on it now, and Noodles/Dirt Drop/Bar Ends on >>> deck. Third option will be what you see in these photos when I can >>> accumulate the parts. The original option (Straight bars/Slingshot >>> stem) is not an option. Evolution photos will come along shortly. >>> >>> http://www.adventurecorps.com/chronicles/bikes/rivendell/index.html >>> >>> Marty >>> >> > -- *** J. Douglas Way, Professor Chemical Engineering Dept., Colorado School of Mines 1500 Illinois Street, Golden, CO 80401-7887 USA Phone: 303-273-3519 Fax: 303-273-3730 Email: d...@mines.edu http://www.mines.edu/Academic/chemeng/faculty/dway *** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines at http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size and am finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds too small! For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small somehow. In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size since its standover is 86.2, but clearance might be tight. The next smaller size is 59cm with 84.3cm standover. The Quickbeam frame is also fairly "normal" with a 73mm BB drop. The 62cm frame size has a standover of nearly 87cm (too big), but the 60cm size's SO is about 85cm. Now let's compare those data points with a fairly typical non-Riv steel frame: A Surly Pacer (level top tube, 72.5-degree seat tube angle, 72mm BB drop). The 62cm frame size has a standover measurement of just under 86cm, and the 60cm size's SO is 84cm (based on 700x25mm tires). Riv's Rambouillet frame has similar values at the same sizes. Overall, it sounds like I could ride a bigger Pacer frame than most Rivendell frames -- which seems utterly counter-intuitive to me, since most Riv frames have lower BBs! If anyone has a PBH of 86-87cm, I'd be very interested to hear what size frame(s) you've chosen (both Riv and non-Riv) and why. Thanks! -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
I'm about your size and couldn't decide between a 59 or 61 AHH and ended up getting the 61 after talking to Grant. In hindsight I probably could have ridden either one. On my frame with the bars about the same height with the seat, the Nitto Tech Deluxe handlebar stem is at max height and the Nitto seat stem is not at max height which sounds about like what you mention you want in your message. Standover height clearance is a bit more snug than I'm used to but is easily acceptable and now I am used to it, no problem. The bike is very laid out and comfortable and rides very smooth with Jack Brown Greens and performance wise moves around quicker than I thought it would. Hope this helps. Ron F. in MA --- On Thu, 4/16/09, jim g wrote: From: jim g Subject: [RBW] Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 2:49 PM I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines at http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size and am finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds too small! For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small somehow. In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size since its standover is 86.2, but clearance might be tight. The next smaller size is 59cm with 84.3cm standover. The Quickbeam frame is also fairly "normal" with a 73mm BB drop. The 62cm frame size has a standover of nearly 87cm (too big), but the 60cm size's SO is about 85cm. Now let's compare those data points with a fairly typical non-Riv steel frame: A Surly Pacer (level top tube, 72.5-degree seat tube angle, 72mm BB drop). The 62cm frame size has a standover measurement of just under 86cm, and the 60cm size's SO is 84cm (based on 700x25mm tires). Riv's Rambouillet frame has similar values at the same sizes. Overall, it sounds like I could ride a bigger Pacer frame than most Rivendell frames -- which seems utterly counter-intuitive to me, since most Riv frames have lower BBs! If anyone has a PBH of 86-87cm, I'd be very interested to hear what size
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM, jim g wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. I'm a little taller than you but I have close to the same pbh. I bought a 58cm atlantis. I'm pretty sure I could ride a 61cm atlantis however, I've noticed that the size of tires I have on it raise the standover a fair bit. I've have 42mm tires and I think if the size of the frame went up even as little as 3cm I'd be a little less comfortable when I had to stop and standover it. Not terrible, but a little dodgy. Maybe I just have short legs. Unfortunately, where I tested out the bike there was no 61cm available or I would have tested it specifically. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
I'm 5'10" in bare feet on a level, hard surface, but I have an Asian build so my legs are definitely shorter than yours, since my saddles are about 73 cm high from the center of the spindle.. I have been sized for a 60 but generally prefer 57s or 58s depending on the height of the head tube. But with a non-extended head tube and a non-sloping tt, and if i wanted my bars level, I'd probably opt for a 60. But my 57 and 58 Riv customs have sloping tts and extended heads, and I can get the bars plenty high using normal stems. A stock 60 would have a longer tt than I care for -- I like 56-57 effective and I would guess that a 60 would have about a 59 cm tt -- but then I like my bars low. If your arms are Anglo in length like your legs, and you want your bars level with saddle, a 59-60 cm tt might be fine. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:49 PM, jim g wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. > > I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines at > http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size and am > finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, > Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a > corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So > far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my > PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). > > Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. > In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - > 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm > frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in > standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not > dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd > need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, > and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. > > Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the > bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they > provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame > sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB > than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing > theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes > than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size > would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame > I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame > size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that > chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is > SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds > too small! > > For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just > under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, > since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual > size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the > larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has > 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT > clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always > been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small > somehow. > > In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit > me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the > same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their > geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same > seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. > > The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB > drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might > indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size since > its standover is 86.2, but clearance might be tight. The next smaller > size is 59cm with 84.3cm standover. > > The Quickbeam frame is also fairly "normal" with a 73mm BB drop. The > 62cm frame size has a standover of nearly 87cm (too big), but the 60cm > size's SO is about 85cm. > > Now let's compare those data points with a fairly typical non-Riv > steel frame: A Surly Pacer (level top tube, 72.5-degree seat tube > angle, 72mm BB drop). The 62cm frame size has a standover measurement > of just under 86cm, and the 60cm size's SO is 84cm (based on 700x25mm > tires). Riv's Rambouillet frame has similar values at the same sizes. > > Overall, it sounds like I could ride a bigger Pacer frame than most > Rivendell frames -- which seems utterly counter-intuitive to me, since > mos
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
Jim, I've got an 89cm pubic bone height and 79cm saddle height. I have three 64cm Rivendell's. I have no crotch to top tube clearance on any of them...it's not a problem. This is actually a bit bigger than RBW sizing suggests. I'd probably be OK on a 62 as well. Angus On Apr 16, 1:49 pm, jim g wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. > > I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines > athttp://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_sizeand am > finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, > Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a > corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So > far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my > PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). > > Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. > In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - > 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm > frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in > standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not > dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd > need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, > and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. > > Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the > bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they > provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame > sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB > than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing > theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes > than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size > would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame > I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame > size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that > chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is > SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds > too small! > > For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just > under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, > since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual > size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the > larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has > 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT > clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always > been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small > somehow. > > In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit > me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the > same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their > geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same > seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. > > The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB > drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might > indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size since > its standover is 86.2, but clearance might be tight. The next smaller > size is 59cm with 84.3cm standover. > > The Quickbeam frame is also fairly "normal" with a 73mm BB drop. The > 62cm frame size has a standover of nearly 87cm (too big), but the 60cm > size's SO is about 85cm. > > Now let's compare those data points with a fairly typical non-Riv > steel frame: A Surly Pacer (level top tube, 72.5-degree seat tube > angle, 72mm BB drop). The 62cm frame size has a standover measurement > of just under 86cm, and the 60cm size's SO is 84cm (based on 700x25mm > tires). Riv's Rambouillet frame has similar values at the same sizes. > > Overall, it sounds like I could ride a bigger Pacer frame than most > Rivendell frames -- which seems utterly counter-intuitive to me, since > most Riv frames have lower BBs! > > If anyone has a PBH of 86-87cm, I'd be very interested to hear what > size frame(s) you've chosen (both Riv and non-Riv) and why. > > Thanks! > -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups
[RBW] Re: Found NOS Bleriot at Saturday Cycles Utah, built it, like it.
When I found my Bleriot at Saturday, Mark Kennedy still had another in stock. Don't remember what size and don't know if he still has it. On Apr 15, 5:48 pm, eflayer2 wrote: > I owned one of these when first available. I sold it due to other > competing bikes in the herd. Since sold old hardtail and was yearning > for something both gorgeous and comfy. Two times is the charmer. It > got built with my most favorite parts and the fit fits perfectly. > Nifty Swifty shod, B17 Special, barcons, etc. I am liking it. Fits > in perfect with Kogswell P58 and filleted custom Steve Rex. I don't > own much else, but quite fond of bike collection. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Low Gap Road
Eric: What time of day did you shoot those photos? Lighting is beautiful. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Norris Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:53 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Low Gap Road Took my Riv Road for a little ride tonight on Low Gap Road out of Ukiah, CA. The pavement ended, but my bike and I kept going. Saw at least six deer. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157616840404994/ --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
Jim - You've documented some of the specifics - and perhaps contradictions - of Riv sizing. Some of it depends. I've seen folks ride an Atlantis a size smaller because they want a lower top tube to straddle on fully loaded tours. I'm an 88 pbh, and ride both my 62cm 650B Protovelo and 62cm Quickbeam comfortably. The Protovelo is perfect. The Quickbeam, with its 700c wheels, is at the upper limit of stand-over height for me - like *really* up there. Thing is, it rides like a dream - amazing comfort on the saddle for long periods of time. Pedal strokes feel big, in a good way. When looking for a Ram/Rom, I was aiming for a 60cm which would give me a little more breathing room and a compactness for harder riding. I found a well-cared for 59cm Romulus, was worried it was too small, but it fits great for how I ride it - with more than a fistfull of seatpost. I'd prefer a 60...but I wasn't choosing among new bikes. I'd do measurements without shoes. Pull all the way up with that ruler and, as they say, record the highest price. Then think about the frame - touring, road, off-road, etc. A centimeter bigger or smaller might be fine. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 16, 12:55 pm, Angus wrote: > Jim, > > I've got an 89cm pubic bone height and 79cm saddle height. I have > three 64cm Rivendell's. I have no crotch to top tube clearance on any > of them...it's not a problem. > > This is actually a bit bigger than RBW sizing suggests. > > I'd probably be OK on a 62 as well. > > Angus > > On Apr 16, 1:49 pm, jim g wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. > > > I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines > > athttp://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_sizeandam > > finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, > > Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a > > corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So > > far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my > > PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). > > > Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. > > In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - > > 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm > > frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in > > standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not > > dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd > > need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, > > and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. > > > Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the > > bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they > > provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame > > sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB > > than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing > > theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes > > than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size > > would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame > > I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame > > size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that > > chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is > > SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds > > too small! > > > For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just > > under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, > > since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual > > size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the > > larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has > > 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT > > clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always > > been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small > > somehow. > > > In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit > > me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the > > same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their > > geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same > > seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. > > > The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB > > drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might > > indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size sin
[RBW] 54cm Road standard for sale F/F
I am thinning out my bikes. Selling a Frame and fork plus stronglight headset 54cm 1996 road standard. Solid blue, 1st gen Sachs lugs, some tiny chips in the paint but that is to be expected (dropouts, etc.) no dents dings or rust. $900 +shipping / or best offer / trades. contact me off list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] noodle bars
i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure points. why did i wait so long? don --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
Jim: When I bought my Atlantis, Riv suggested I go with 61 and I was confident a 58 would fit. 6 years later, I'm perfectly happy with the 58, with 10 cm Nitto stem and 175 Sugino cranks. I've had various UJBs, Treks, etc. from 56 to 58 and been fine. I pulled my file and Riv had an Atlantis flyer with some sizing charts. There's some overlap in frame sizes. A 58 is listed for PBH 84 to 89 and saddle ht of 74 to 79. The 61 is for PBH of 87 to 93 and saddle at 77 to 82. On my build sheets I listed PBH at 86 and saddle at 76 (that was on a UJB) and I'm 5'11" tall. So I'm slightly taller with my saddle slightly lower than you. Since the largest frame I'd lived with was a 58, I was a bit surprised when Riv suggested 61. The sizing chart put me on a 58. The bike came with 35 mm Pasela tires and it's now on 35 mm Schwalbes which are a bit plumper but I still have adequate stand over clearance with both feet on the ground. The h'bars (Nitto drops) are up even with the saddle. Stem is the 10 cm that came stock. I would drop down to 170 cranks were I to do it again as the 175s limit clearance off road. 5 mm isn't much extra clearance so it's a minor issue. I didn't think thru the BB height issue, just order what I'd been using, my bad. Hope this helps. Assuming your comfortable with your current fit, the key is figuring out how to duplicate that fit on another bike. Fortunately, you're in middle of sizing bell curve so you've got plenty of room to work in. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim g Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:50 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines at http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size and am finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds too small! For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small somehow. In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might indicate more-than-usual SO clearance) I could ride a 62cm size s
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
what were you using before? From: dpco To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:40:00 PM Subject: [RBW] noodle bars i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure points. why did i wait so long? don --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
Don: No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've Noodled, you can't go back. I got Noodles on my Atlantis just because I needed something and Riv's discussion of them made sense. I'd always been pretty indifferent to h'bars before that. Now anything else feels goofy, uncomfortable, and plain weird. Now as long as the don't become obsolete somehow! dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dpco Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:40 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] noodle bars i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure points. why did i wait so long? don --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
Jim - it will also be easier to get a Riv fit if you just buy one ;) On Apr 16, 2:59 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: > Jim: > > When I bought my Atlantis, Riv suggested I go with 61 and I was confident a > 58 would fit. 6 years later, I'm perfectly happy with the 58, with 10 cm > Nitto stem and 175 Sugino cranks. I've had various UJBs, Treks, etc. from > 56 to 58 and been fine. > > I pulled my file and Riv had an Atlantis flyer with some sizing charts. > There's some overlap in frame sizes. A 58 is listed for PBH 84 to 89 and > saddle ht of 74 to 79. The 61 is for PBH of 87 to 93 and saddle at 77 to > 82. On my build sheets I listed PBH at 86 and saddle at 76 (that was on a > UJB) and I'm 5'11" tall. So I'm slightly taller with my saddle slightly > lower than you. > > Since the largest frame I'd lived with was a 58, I was a bit surprised when > Riv suggested 61. The sizing chart put me on a 58. The bike came with 35 > mm Pasela tires and it's now on 35 mm Schwalbes which are a bit plumper but > I still have adequate stand over clearance with both feet on the ground. > The h'bars (Nitto drops) are up even with the saddle. > > Stem is the 10 cm that came stock. I would drop down to 170 cranks were I > to do it again as the 175s limit clearance off road. 5 mm isn't much extra > clearance so it's a minor issue. I didn't think thru the BB height issue, > just order what I'd been using, my bad. > > Hope this helps. Assuming your comfortable with your current fit, the key > is figuring out how to duplicate that fit on another bike. Fortunately, > you're in middle of sizing bell curve so you've got plenty of room to work > in. > > dougP > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim g > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:50 AM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions > > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. > > I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines > athttp://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_sizeand am > finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, > Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a > corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So > far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my > PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). > > Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. > In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - > 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm > frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in > standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not > dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd > need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, > and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. > > Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the > bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they > provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame > sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB > than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing > theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes > than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size > would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame > I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame > size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that > chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is > SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds > too small! > > For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just > under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, > since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual > size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the > larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has > 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT > clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always > been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small > somehow. > > In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit > me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the > same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their > geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
i purchased my "ram" frameset about 4 years ago after a lengthy conversation, in person, with grant. like the noodle bars, i stayed from purchasing a brooks. well, concerning the b-17, i broke down about a month after riding my ram and haven't ridden another saddle since. all my bikes have b-17's. until today, all my bikes had ritchey "classic" bend bars. i have always suffered from numbness in my hands. today's ride with the noodles on my bike was quite a revelation. don p.s. anybody want to buys some bars? On Apr 16, 3:13 pm, Bruce wrote: > what were you using before? > > > From: dpco > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:40:00 PM > Subject: [RBW] noodle bars > > i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my > rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy > ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure > points. why did i wait so long? > don --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
I am 5'11' and I have a 86.4 cm PBH. I currently ride a Long Haul Trucker which is similar to an Atlantis and I chose a 58cm. I use 175mm arms now and ride with Crank Bros. 50/50 pedals and Tevas mostly, skate shoes or my Redwing boots. I have a shorter reach than most and I use a 90 mm stem length. I could probably ride a 60 or 61 Riv frame depending on the model and the tire size. I use Schwalbe 700x47's on my Trucker so the 58 cm works nicely for me. I think your saddle height indicates a 59-61 being right in the ballpark. I think you might be making it a little too complicated. Its only 2 cm difference or 20 mm which is less than 3/4 of an inch. In my mind if you can stand over a given frame size with your tire preference and you can get the bars where you want them then that is what you are looking for. You should be able to get your bars high enough with either size all the way from 58-61. You just might need to use a Dirt Drop stem with the smaller sizes but they are stronger anyway so...it sounds like you know what works. Other bikes with higher bottom brackets and skinnier tires aren't a good comparison and serve to cloud up the subject (unless you want one of them) I think you just need to look at the standover and the bar height and distance to the bars regardless of the frame style/brand and just use your measurements to get you wherever you want to be. More post, less post, long stem, short stem, these are just aesthetics when you get right down to it since there is easy adjustment built into quill stem bicycle frames. I think you just want to avoid the extremes. For instance riding a 55 cm or a 67 cm. On Apr 16, 11:49 am, jim g wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the right frame size for a possible next > bike-project. I want a "Rivendell fit" with bars about level with > saddle, and somewhere around "a fistful" of seatpost showing. I'm > about 5ft 10in tall; PBH is 86cm in bare feet, 87cm in my SPD bike > shoes; preferred crank length is 172.5 or 175mm. Saddle height on > current bike is comfortable at ~77cm. > > I'm reading Riv's fit guidelines > athttp://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_sizeand am > finding some confusing points. Starting from "How to Size any Bike, > Including Ours", they use an example PBH of 85cm, and suggest that a > corresponding saddle height is 75cm -- or 10cm less than the PBH. So > far, I'm OK with that: my saddle height is around 10cm less than my > PBH (especially accounting for my shoes). > > Next Riv suggests that a good bike size is saddle height minus 15cm. > In my case, that's 86cm - 15cm = 61cm, or accounting for shoes, 87cm - > 15cm = 62cm. Again, I'm in agreement with that: Most non-Riv 62cm > frames I've straddled have been a bit "snug" but not overly so in > standover height -- that is to say, the top tube touches but not > dangerously so. And I could definitely fit on a 60cm frame, but I'd > need a taller quill stem, or some extra spacers in a threadless setup, > and of course there'd be more seatpost showing. > > Now, on to the next section on Riv's page: "Sizing Rivendells (the > bikes we design)" If you look at the frame-size chart they > provide, for 86-87cm PBH measurements, they recommend 59-61cm frame > sizes! Here's where I'm confused -- most Riv frames have a lower BB > than a typical/average frame, up to 1cm lower. Most of Riv's sizing > theory says something like "you can straddle a bigger one-of-our-bikes > than one-of-theirs", so I've always thought that a correct Riv size > would be 1cm larger than a "typical" frame size (and by typical frame > I mean 1980's UJB steel frame or similar). Taking the previous frame > size result of 61-62cm, that'd put me on a 62-63cm Riv. HOWEVER that > chart points to a 59-61cm Riv frame for my body size -- which is > SMALLER than the first recommended "normal" size, and frankly sounds > too small! > > For example, the 61cm AHH has an 8cm BB drop and standover is just > under 87cm -- that'd maybe be slightly too big for me (no clearance, > since it's the same as my shod PBH). I guess the "Riv Size = usual > size + 1cm" formula doesn't directly apply to the AHH because the > larger tires cancel out the added BB drop? The 59cm AHH frame has > 85cm of standover, which seems about right (about an inch of PB/TT > clearance)...BUT a friend of mine rides this size, and he's always > been on shorter/smaller bikes than me...so a 59cm sounds too small > somehow. > > In contrast, the 61cm Atlantis has a standover of 85cm, so that'd fit > me with the right clearance. Why that frame would fit but the > same-size AHH wouldn't, isn't clear to me -- looking at their > geometries, both have the same BB drop, similar size tires, the same > seat-tube angle, and both have slightly-sloping top tubes. > > The Legolas frame is more typical since it has a standard 70mm BB > drop. (Ignoring the fact that it's intended as a CX bike, which might > indicate more-than-usual SO cl
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
On Apr 16, 5:06 pm, charlie wrote: > I am 5'11' and I have a 86.4 cm PBH. I currently ride a Long Haul > Trucker which is similar to an Atlantis and I chose a 58cm. I use > 175mm arms now and ride with Crank Bros. 50/50 pedals and Tevas > mostly, skate shoes or my Redwing boots. I have a shorter reach than > most and I use a 90 mm stem length. I could probably ride a 60 or 61 > Riv frame depending on the model and the tire size. I use Schwalbe > 700x47's on my Trucker so the 58 cm works nicely for me. With tires that large, I can see why a 58cm would work for you. But I bet you have a decent amount of seat post sticking out? I agree that I am over-analyzing this and that it is, to a large degree, a question of (certain) aesthetics...but I am trying to understand the subtleties. There are other factors at play too, such as head tube length, which can impact max handlebar height. For example, I have 4 frames all nearly the same size (ranging from 57-58cm), yet they all have different head tube lengths. Fork-blade length affects this, too. Ultimately, I currently have a 57.5cm RB-1 that I either need to use a long Technomic on to get the bars where I want 'em now, or I need to replace it -- and if the latter, I'm wondering if I should go with a 60cm or 62cm frame. -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Low Gap Road
It was just before sunset. Very nice time of day. --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Doug Peterson wrote: > Eric: > > > > What time of day did you shoot those photos? Lighting is beautiful. > > > > dougP > > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Eric Norris > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:53 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Low Gap Road > > > > Took my Riv Road for a little ride tonight on Low Gap Road out of > Ukiah, CA. The pavement ended, but my bike and I kept going. Saw > at least six deer. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157616840404994/ > > > --Eric > > campyonly...@me.com > > www.campyonly.com > > www.wheelsnorth.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 54cm Road standard for sale F/F
I've seen and ridden this bike first hand. It is a great frame for a great price. Anyone who would buy it won't be disappointed. I would buy it but it is to small for me. On Apr 16, 2:36 pm, JL wrote: > I am thinning out my bikes. Selling a Frame and fork plus stronglight > headset 54cm 1996 road standard. Solid blue, 1st gen Sachs lugs, some > tiny chips in the paint but that is to be expected (dropouts, etc.) no > dents dings or rust. $900 +shipping / or best offer / trades. > contact me off list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] How do I raise a pair of Snowcat SL rims?
Very strange. I emailed Simon at All Weather Sports in Anchorage last week about using Snowcats for sand, and he replied the next day saying that they would do very well. So I email him back saying, "Sell me a pair, please," and despite repeated calls and emails, and despite getting my LBS to fax them an order, deafening silence since. Does anyone (I am cross posting to ensure I cover all the possible cognoscenti) know how to peel a pair of 32 hole SC SLs in 622 (he said he had the SLs available) from them and get them to Albuquerque? Failing that, does anyone have recommendations for 700c rims, no heavier than they need to be, brake surface no matter (I use discs) beside the Snowcat (44 mm) and the Gordo (35 mm)? I will go with the Gordo, but would prefer something even wider. Thanks. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Doug Peterson wrote: > > Don: > > No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've Noodled, you can't go back. I tried Noodles and didn't like them; too deep and too long. I replaced them with similarly wide Salsa Bell Laps which I find much more to my liking. This is for my mountain bike. They are far too wide for my road bikes. As for the ramp, the Nitto 185s have a very short and -- since I obey Heaven and keep my hooks perfectly level -- very slanted ramp, but that doesn't bother me (and I don't wear gloves); I think, once again, that the principal key to hand comfort is saddle position. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
The Noodles are without question on of Grant's best designs. They're the most comfortable drop bars I've ever used. It's funny how just a few little tweaks can make such a big difference! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
patrick, i agree about saddle position, but my case is unique. i have rotated scoliosis, degenerate disc disease, and severe arthritis. if i sit too upright, i put too much pressure on my lower back, so, i try to balance my position on my bike between too low and too high. i do a lot of core work and upper body work in the gym to compensate for my situation. everybody is different. don --- On Thu, 4/16/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > From: PATRICK MOORE > Subject: [RBW] Re: noodle bars > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:20 PM > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Doug Peterson > wrote: > > > > > Don: > > > > No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've > Noodled, you can't go back. > > > I tried Noodles and didn't like them; too deep and too > long. I replaced them > with similarly wide Salsa Bell Laps which I find much more > to my liking. > This is for my mountain bike. They are far too wide for my > road bikes. > > As for the ramp, the Nitto 185s have a very short and -- > since I obey Heaven > and keep my hooks perfectly level -- very slanted ramp, but > that doesn't > bother me (and I don't wear gloves); I think, once > again, that the > principal key to hand comfort is saddle position. > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
Don: I wasn't pooh pooh-ing them, just expressing another opinion on my own behalf. I'm glad you find them comfortable! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Donald Compton wrote: > > > patrick, > i agree about saddle position, but my case is unique. i have rotated > scoliosis, degenerate disc disease, and severe arthritis. if i sit too > upright, i put too much pressure on my lower back, so, i try to balance my > position on my bike between too low and too high. i do a lot of core work > and upper body work in the gym to compensate for my situation. everybody is > different. > don > > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > From: PATRICK MOORE > > Subject: [RBW] Re: noodle bars > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:20 PM > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Doug Peterson > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Don: > > > > > > No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've > > Noodled, you can't go back. > > > > > > I tried Noodles and didn't like them; too deep and too > > long. I replaced them > > with similarly wide Salsa Bell Laps which I find much more > > to my liking. > > This is for my mountain bike. They are far too wide for my > > road bikes. > > > > As for the ramp, the Nitto 185s have a very short and -- > > since I obey Heaven > > and keep my hooks perfectly level -- very slanted ramp, but > > that doesn't > > bother me (and I don't wear gloves); I think, once > > again, that the > > principal key to hand comfort is saddle position. > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > > Albuquerque, NM > > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Found NOS Bleriot at Saturday Cycles Utah, built it, like it.
checked with Country Bikes today. They do have a few Bleriots in stock. On Apr 16, 1:27 pm, eflayer2 wrote: > When I found my Bleriot at Saturday, Mark Kennedy still had another in > stock. Don't remember what size and don't know if he still has it. > > On Apr 15, 5:48 pm, eflayer2 wrote: > > > > > I owned one of these when first available. I sold it due to other > > competing bikes in the herd. Since sold old hardtail and was yearning > > for something both gorgeous and comfy. Two times is the charmer. It > > got built with my most favorite parts and the fit fits perfectly. > > Nifty Swifty shod, B17 Special, barcons, etc. I am liking it. Fits > > in perfect with Kogswell P58 and filleted custom Steve Rex. I don't > > own much else, but quite fond of bike collection.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Have a relaxing hiatus, Yehuda Moon...
How about checking in on Frazz? Often biking content w/in along with some good insight. http://comics.com/frazz/ On Apr 15, 1:07 pm, Mike Irwin wrote: > Great idea. > > On Apr 15, 11:00 am, Esteban wrote: > > > (new link): > > > As an homage to Yehuda, I've created a Van Sweringen Owners bunch on > > Flickr: > > >http://www.flickr.com/groups/vsob/ > > > Feel free to join, add your Van Swer or Rapid to the group. Real life > > Yehudas welcome. > > > Silly things come to those who are procrastinating. > > > Esteban > > San Diego, Calif. > > > On Apr 15, 8:33 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > > > > Oh MAN! I just discoverd Yehuda about a month ago and have been > > > really enjoying it. I also discovered it via this group (Thanks) . > > > So many unanswered questions > > > > -Will we see Yehuda sans hat? > > > -Will joe do something about the unibrow? > > > -is there a future for Yehuda and thistle? > > > - And of course will the *...@! hit and run driver be caught? > > > > Hurry back Yehuda > > > > RoadieRyan > > > > On Apr 15, 7:44 am, Esteban wrote: > > > > > As an homage to Yehuda, I started a Van Sweringen Owners Bunch flickr > > > > group: > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/groups/1080...@n21/ > > > > > This is what happens when I'm going mad grading papers. > > > > > Esteban > > > > San Diego, Calif. > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:01 pm, Mike Irwin wrote: > > > > > > Here, here. Yehuda captured the spirit and essence of many things > > > > > discussed in this very forum. I shall miss it dearly in the interim. > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:54 pm, Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > I too will miss the Yehuda Moon series as I checked in daily. I will > > > > > > probably buy the books because I enjoyed the comics so much. > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 6:05 pm, Peter Merryman wrote: > > > > > > > > It looks like everyone's favorite Rivendellish web comic, "Yehuda > > > > > > > Moon and > > > > > > > the Kickstand Cyclery", is on an indefinite hiatus (which makes > > > > > > > it the > > > > > > > Rambouillet of web comics). > > > > > > > >http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2009-04-14 > > > > > > > > It's via this list that I first found Yehuda, and many topics > > > > > > > mulled over > > > > > > > here have had a day or two in Yehuda's universe. I've noticed > > > > > > > creator Rick > > > > > > > Smith post here from time to time, so I wanted to publicly say- > > > > > > > Thanks for > > > > > > > the great strip! I wish you great success in whatever is keeping > > > > > > > you busy! > > > > > > > > -Pete- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
Wide noodles are great for long days. I have them on 3 bikes and will never use any other drop bar. I also have some Albatross bars on my shopping bike and they are perfect for upright riding through traffic. Can't do the moustache bars though. On Apr 16, 5:40 pm, dpco wrote: > i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my > rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy > ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure > points. why did i wait so long? > don --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
Patrick makes an important point. Bars, saddles and pedals all work together. Your entire weight is supported on your butt, two feet and two hands, and distributed among those 5 points. Toss in medical constraints (back, knees, wrists, etc.) and it's a multi-variate challenge. Love my Noodles, Brooks, and Grip Kings (sounds like I been hitting the kool aid!) but as well as they satisfy my needs, that combo may be a torture rack for someone else. This is how we all wind up with a shop full of bike parts after a few years cycling. FS: Half dozen each h'bars, seats and stems. Large selection; make offer :-). dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: noodle bars Don: I wasn't pooh pooh-ing them, just expressing another opinion on my own behalf. I'm glad you find them comfortable! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Donald Compton wrote: patrick, i agree about saddle position, but my case is unique. i have rotated scoliosis, degenerate disc disease, and severe arthritis. if i sit too upright, i put too much pressure on my lower back, so, i try to balance my position on my bike between too low and too high. i do a lot of core work and upper body work in the gym to compensate for my situation. everybody is different. don --- On Thu, 4/16/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > From: PATRICK MOORE > Subject: [RBW] Re: noodle bars > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:20 PM > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Doug Peterson > wrote: > > > > > Don: > > > > No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've > Noodled, you can't go back. > > > I tried Noodles and didn't like them; too deep and too > long. I replaced them > with similarly wide Salsa Bell Laps which I find much more > to my liking. > This is for my mountain bike. They are far too wide for my > road bikes. > > As for the ramp, the Nitto 185s have a very short and -- > since I obey Heaven > and keep my hooks perfectly level -- very slanted ramp, but > that doesn't > bother me (and I don't wear gloves); I think, once > again, that the > principal key to hand comfort is saddle position. > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Have a relaxing hiatus, Yehuda Moon...
Love that guy! Recall one from several years back where Ms Plainwell shows up at school, late, problem with car or something, bad hair, just starting off horribly. In the 3rd panel Frazz says the fact his STI seems a bit off today doesn't seem so important now. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SpeedyChix Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Have a relaxing hiatus, Yehuda Moon... How about checking in on Frazz? Often biking content w/in along with some good insight. http://comics.com/frazz/ On Apr 15, 1:07 pm, Mike Irwin wrote: > Great idea. > > On Apr 15, 11:00 am, Esteban wrote: > > > (new link): > > > As an homage to Yehuda, I've created a Van Sweringen Owners bunch on > > Flickr: > > >http://www.flickr.com/groups/vsob/ > > > Feel free to join, add your Van Swer or Rapid to the group. Real life > > Yehudas welcome. > > > Silly things come to those who are procrastinating. > > > Esteban > > San Diego, Calif. > > > On Apr 15, 8:33 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > > > > Oh MAN! I just discoverd Yehuda about a month ago and have been > > > really enjoying it. I also discovered it via this group (Thanks) . > > > So many unanswered questions > > > > -Will we see Yehuda sans hat? > > > -Will joe do something about the unibrow? > > > -is there a future for Yehuda and thistle? > > > - And of course will the *...@! hit and run driver be caught? > > > > Hurry back Yehuda > > > > RoadieRyan > > > > On Apr 15, 7:44 am, Esteban wrote: > > > > > As an homage to Yehuda, I started a Van Sweringen Owners Bunch flickr > > > > group: > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/groups/1080...@n21/ > > > > > This is what happens when I'm going mad grading papers. > > > > > Esteban > > > > San Diego, Calif. > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:01 pm, Mike Irwin wrote: > > > > > > Here, here. Yehuda captured the spirit and essence of many things > > > > > discussed in this very forum. I shall miss it dearly in the interim. > > > > > > On Apr 14, 8:54 pm, Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > I too will miss the Yehuda Moon series as I checked in daily. I will > > > > > > probably buy the books because I enjoyed the comics so much. > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 6:05 pm, Peter Merryman wrote: > > > > > > > > It looks like everyone's favorite Rivendellish web comic, "Yehuda Moon and > > > > > > > the Kickstand Cyclery", is on an indefinite hiatus (which makes it the > > > > > > > Rambouillet of web comics). > > > > > > > >http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2009-04-14 > > > > > > > > It's via this list that I first found Yehuda, and many topics mulled over > > > > > > > here have had a day or two in Yehuda's universe. I've noticed creator Rick > > > > > > > Smith post here from time to time, so I wanted to publicly say- Thanks for > > > > > > > the great strip! I wish you great success in whatever is keeping you busy! > > > > > > > > -Pete- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Rise of the Brown Bomber
I was more excited today than the day I got my first car. Today was the day that I put the finishing touches on my Rivendell Protovelo 650b and took it for the first spin. I'm so jazzed. I had to eat an overstuffed burrito just to calm me down a bit. (Nothing like a belly full of rice, beans and peppers to put the brakes on the excitement.) Anyway, I took an easy 3 mile roll. When I got back, my wife was waiting with the camera. She knew I'd want to snap pics and post immediately. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36294...@n03/sets/72157616898042722/ A short backstory...my first experience with a Riv was a Quickbeam I picked up. Geared riding is more suited for my needs, so after a little business, I was able to set off on a new project. The frame put in its due time with Colorado Dave. (In its second life, the "Brown Bomber" as it was aptly named in this forum, will hope to see mostly rolling hills...at least for the next few months...) It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to build it up. In fact, it took me 7 months. I kept going back and forth between an upright and a traditional randonneur-style bike. My intent is to finally get out for some real nice long adventures. I've got the upright thing covered, so I decided to go full speed ahead with the randonneur design. I spent hours/days/weeks staring at the builds on Cyclofiend.com. (Thanks Jim for all your efforts...an invaluable asset during my build.) I needed a little help here and there and worked with my LBS to get through the finish line. I learned a lot in the process. My LBS owner was in awe and I showed him a few of the other models on the site. Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for everyone's patience and advice as I asked questions (often times complete newbie Q's) over the past few months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rise of the Brown Bomber
Beautiful! Randy Mike Irwin wrote: > I was more excited today than the day I got my first car. Today was > the day that I put the finishing touches on my Rivendell Protovelo > 650b and took it for the first spin. > > I'm so jazzed. I had to eat an overstuffed burrito just to calm me > down a bit. (Nothing like a belly full of rice, beans and peppers to > put the brakes on the excitement.) > > Anyway, I took an easy 3 mile roll. When I got back, my wife was > waiting with the camera. She knew I'd want to snap pics and post > immediately. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/36294...@n03/sets/72157616898042722/ > > A short backstory...my first experience with a Riv was a Quickbeam I > picked up. Geared riding is more suited for my needs, so after a > little business, I was able to set off on a new project. The frame put > in its due time with Colorado Dave. (In its second life, the "Brown > Bomber" as it was aptly named in this forum, will hope to see mostly > rolling hills...at least for the next few months...) > > It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to build it up. In fact, > it took me 7 months. I kept going back and forth between an upright > and a traditional randonneur-style bike. My intent is to finally get > out for some real nice long adventures. I've got the upright thing > covered, so I decided to go full speed ahead with the randonneur > design. > > I spent hours/days/weeks staring at the builds on Cyclofiend.com. > (Thanks Jim for all your efforts...an invaluable asset during my > build.) > > I needed a little help here and there and worked with my LBS to get > through the finish line. I learned a lot in the process. My LBS owner > was in awe and I showed him a few of the other models on the site. > > Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for everyone's patience and advice as > I asked questions (often times complete newbie Q's) over the past few > months. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
patrick, i didn't take it that way. i was just trying to explain my situation to the crowd. believe me, i see so many positions on bikes, some look totally wrong, but you can't judge a book by its' cover. thank god that we have rivendell and grant. don On Apr 16, 6:48 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Don: I wasn't pooh pooh-ing them, just expressing another opinion on my own > behalf. I'm glad you find them comfortable! > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Donald Compton > wrote: > > > > > > > patrick, > > i agree about saddle position, but my case is unique. i have rotated > > scoliosis, degenerate disc disease, and severe arthritis. if i sit too > > upright, i put too much pressure on my lower back, so, i try to balance my > > position on my bike between too low and too high. i do a lot of core work > > and upper body work in the gym to compensate for my situation. everybody is > > different. > > don > > > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > From: PATRICK MOORE > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: noodle bars > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:20 PM > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Doug Peterson > > > wrote: > > > > > Don: > > > > > No good discovery goes unpunished. Once you've > > > Noodled, you can't go back. > > > > I tried Noodles and didn't like them; too deep and too > > > long. I replaced them > > > with similarly wide Salsa Bell Laps which I find much more > > > to my liking. > > > This is for my mountain bike. They are far too wide for my > > > road bikes. > > > > As for the ramp, the Nitto 185s have a very short and -- > > > since I obey Heaven > > > and keep my hooks perfectly level -- very slanted ramp, but > > > that doesn't > > > bother me (and I don't wear gloves); I think, once > > > again, that the > > > principal key to hand comfort is saddle position. > > > > -- > > > Patrick Moore > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Quickbeam with Schwalbe Big Apples
I just put Big Apples (700x50) on my Quickbeam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986...@n04/3448531380/in/pool-quickbeam It's a tight fit, especially on the chain stays but it's working fine. I could probably get fenders on too but I'm not going to try that for a while. These tires are a really comfortable ride and they feel fast once I'm up to speed. Acceleration is noticeably slower but that's okay, I'm not racing anyone. Funny story: The Big Apples replaced a set of Speedblends. I took the Speedblends to a swap meet, not really expecting them to sell. A small bidding war broke out, though, and the winner was a fixie rider who was going to powdercoat his rims to match. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
Phase two of the "Noodle Discovery Train" is finding the right width. I ended up getting three pairs, 42-44-46, and swapped them back and forth until I came to the conclusion that I indeed liked the 42's best. The wider bars worked well, but my pinkys got numb on long tides. No amount of moving the bars up or down or rotating them forward of backward resovled the problem. But a set of 42's did. In any case, Noodle Bars and Jack Brown tires are must-haves on whatever bike I obtain the future. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam with Schwalbe Big Apples
That's awesome. I just saw the photo of the tire clearance before I saw this post. I didn't click into the description and was wondering about the tires. I bet that's a sweet ride. On Apr 16, 10:20 pm, fiddlr40 wrote: > I just put Big Apples (700x50) on my Quickbeam: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986...@n04/3448531380/in/pool-quickbeam > > It's a tight fit, especially on the chain stays but it's working fine. > I could probably get fenders on too but I'm not going to try that for > a while. These tires are a really comfortable ride and they feel fast > once I'm up to speed. Acceleration is noticeably slower but that's > okay, I'm not racing anyone. > > Funny story: The Big Apples replaced a set of Speedblends. I took the > Speedblends to a swap meet, not really expecting them to sell. A small > bidding war broke out, though, and the winner was a fixie rider who > was going to powdercoat his rims to match. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rise of the Brown Bomber
Agreed, looks like a perfect go anywhere all day bike! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Randy Graves wrote: > > Beautiful! > > Randy > > Mike Irwin wrote: > > I was more excited today than the day I got my first car. Today was > > the day that I put the finishing touches on my Rivendell Protovelo > > 650b and took it for the first spin. > > > > I'm so jazzed. I had to eat an overstuffed burrito just to calm me > > down a bit. (Nothing like a belly full of rice, beans and peppers to > > put the brakes on the excitement.) > > > > Anyway, I took an easy 3 mile roll. When I got back, my wife was > > waiting with the camera. She knew I'd want to snap pics and post > > immediately. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/36294...@n03/sets/72157616898042722/ > > > > A short backstory...my first experience with a Riv was a Quickbeam I > > picked up. Geared riding is more suited for my needs, so after a > > little business, I was able to set off on a new project. The frame put > > in its due time with Colorado Dave. (In its second life, the "Brown > > Bomber" as it was aptly named in this forum, will hope to see mostly > > rolling hills...at least for the next few months...) > > > > It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to build it up. In fact, > > it took me 7 months. I kept going back and forth between an upright > > and a traditional randonneur-style bike. My intent is to finally get > > out for some real nice long adventures. I've got the upright thing > > covered, so I decided to go full speed ahead with the randonneur > > design. > > > > I spent hours/days/weeks staring at the builds on Cyclofiend.com. > > (Thanks Jim for all your efforts...an invaluable asset during my > > build.) > > > > I needed a little help here and there and worked with my LBS to get > > through the finish line. I learned a lot in the process. My LBS owner > > was in awe and I showed him a few of the other models on the site. > > > > Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for everyone's patience and advice as > > I asked questions (often times complete newbie Q's) over the past few > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rise of the Brown Bomber
Having the perfect fit is no joke. As I took off from my driveway, it felt as comfortable as an old, broken in baseball glove. I noticed that about the QB too, but not to this extent. Mind you, it was only 3 miles, but it felt like I could ride all day...and I was in a flannel shirt, Carhartt jeans and Birkenstocks. Ha! On Apr 16, 10:35 pm, David Estes wrote: > Agreed, looks like a perfect go anywhere all day bike! > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Randy Graves wrote: > > > Beautiful! > > > Randy > > > Mike Irwin wrote: > > > I was more excited today than the day I got my first car. Today was > > > the day that I put the finishing touches on my Rivendell Protovelo > > > 650b and took it for the first spin. > > > > I'm so jazzed. I had to eat an overstuffed burrito just to calm me > > > down a bit. (Nothing like a belly full of rice, beans and peppers to > > > put the brakes on the excitement.) > > > > Anyway, I took an easy 3 mile roll. When I got back, my wife was > > > waiting with the camera. She knew I'd want to snap pics and post > > > immediately. > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/36294...@n03/sets/72157616898042722/ > > > > A short backstory...my first experience with a Riv was a Quickbeam I > > > picked up. Geared riding is more suited for my needs, so after a > > > little business, I was able to set off on a new project. The frame put > > > in its due time with Colorado Dave. (In its second life, the "Brown > > > Bomber" as it was aptly named in this forum, will hope to see mostly > > > rolling hills...at least for the next few months...) > > > > It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to build it up. In fact, > > > it took me 7 months. I kept going back and forth between an upright > > > and a traditional randonneur-style bike. My intent is to finally get > > > out for some real nice long adventures. I've got the upright thing > > > covered, so I decided to go full speed ahead with the randonneur > > > design. > > > > I spent hours/days/weeks staring at the builds on Cyclofiend.com. > > > (Thanks Jim for all your efforts...an invaluable asset during my > > > build.) > > > > I needed a little help here and there and worked with my LBS to get > > > through the finish line. I learned a lot in the process. My LBS owner > > > was in awe and I showed him a few of the other models on the site. > > > > Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for everyone's patience and advice as > > > I asked questions (often times complete newbie Q's) over the past few > > > months. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rise of the Brown Bomber
Sounds like you should have kept going! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Mike Irwin wrote: > > Having the perfect fit is no joke. As I took off from my driveway, it > felt as comfortable as an old, broken in baseball glove. I noticed > that about the QB too, but not to this extent. Mind you, it was only 3 > miles, but it felt like I could ride all day...and I was in a flannel > shirt, Carhartt jeans and Birkenstocks. Ha! > > > > On Apr 16, 10:35 pm, David Estes wrote: > > Agreed, looks like a perfect go anywhere all day bike! > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Randy Graves wrote: > > > > > Beautiful! > > > > > Randy > > > > > Mike Irwin wrote: > > > > I was more excited today than the day I got my first car. Today was > > > > the day that I put the finishing touches on my Rivendell Protovelo > > > > 650b and took it for the first spin. > > > > > > I'm so jazzed. I had to eat an overstuffed burrito just to calm me > > > > down a bit. (Nothing like a belly full of rice, beans and peppers to > > > > put the brakes on the excitement.) > > > > > > Anyway, I took an easy 3 mile roll. When I got back, my wife was > > > > waiting with the camera. She knew I'd want to snap pics and post > > > > immediately. > > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/36294...@n03/sets/72157616898042722/ > > > > > > A short backstory...my first experience with a Riv was a Quickbeam I > > > > picked up. Geared riding is more suited for my needs, so after a > > > > little business, I was able to set off on a new project. The frame > put > > > > in its due time with Colorado Dave. (In its second life, the "Brown > > > > Bomber" as it was aptly named in this forum, will hope to see mostly > > > > rolling hills...at least for the next few months...) > > > > > > It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to build it up. In > fact, > > > > it took me 7 months. I kept going back and forth between an upright > > > > and a traditional randonneur-style bike. My intent is to finally get > > > > out for some real nice long adventures. I've got the upright thing > > > > covered, so I decided to go full speed ahead with the randonneur > > > > design. > > > > > > I spent hours/days/weeks staring at the builds on Cyclofiend.com. > > > > (Thanks Jim for all your efforts...an invaluable asset during my > > > > build.) > > > > > > I needed a little help here and there and worked with my LBS to get > > > > through the finish line. I learned a lot in the process. My LBS owner > > > > was in awe and I showed him a few of the other models on the site. > > > > > > Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for everyone's patience and advice as > > > > I asked questions (often times complete newbie Q's) over the past few > > > > months. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > David > > Redlands, CA > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
while i was at the"headquarters" purchasing my noodle bars, i purchased a set of "jack browns". if i am going to used them on my ram, i will have to use riv's silver brakes. my rims are narrow and i will need the brakes to open a lot. don On Apr 16, 8:22 pm, Big Paulie wrote: > Phase two of the "Noodle Discovery Train" is finding the right width. > I ended up getting three pairs, 42-44-46, and swapped them back and > forth until I came to the conclusion that I indeed liked the 42's > best. > > The wider bars worked well, but my pinkys got numb on long tides. No > amount of moving the bars up or down or rotating them forward of > backward resovled the problem. But a set of 42's did. > > In any case, Noodle Bars and Jack Brown tires are must-haves on > whatever bike I obtain the future. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Bike-Fit/Sizing Method Questions
Yeathe seat post sticks up about three inches from the clamp but on a Riv you'd get maybe an inch and a half more due to the absence of the clamp. The measurement is from the top of the clamp to the bottom of the curve of a S83 post. I left my steer tube uncut so that gives me a noodle bar that is around 1.5 inches higher than the saddle with my 105 degree stem. The Trucker has a similar extension of the head tube like an Atlantis but not reinforced with a lug etc. I like the look of a short seat post that gives a bicycle that "frenchy" look rather than the mile high seat post with bars so low your spine is forced into a reverse S shape. I do however enjoy enough room over the top tube to go off road on uneven ground and not get a bruised crotch. I realize this effect is often over exaggerated by many but still, I like about an inch of clearance from the actual pelvic bone. I know what you mean about different frame sizes, head tubes and rakes etc. I have 57,58 and 58.5 cm frames and they are all different. I'm even noticing the difference in how they handle. These days I prefer the longer wheelbase slack angled touring frame with fat tires. There is no more comfortable bike. In fact, my recumbent (on rough roads) is not as comfortable. You might in fact be suited to a 61 cm frame. It may be that you have long enough arms/torso to make up for the longer top tube and you won't need too short of a stem to find the sweet spot. On Apr 16, 5:31 pm, jim g wrote: > On Apr 16, 5:06 pm, charlie wrote: > > > I am 5'11' and I have a 86.4 cm PBH. I currently ride a Long Haul > > Trucker which is similar to an Atlantis and I chose a 58cm. I use > > 175mm arms now and ride with Crank Bros. 50/50 pedals and Tevas > > mostly, skate shoes or my Redwing boots. I have a shorter reach than > > most and I use a 90 mm stem length. I could probably ride a 60 or 61 > > Riv frame depending on the model and the tire size. I use Schwalbe > > 700x47's on my Trucker so the 58 cm works nicely for me. > > With tires that large, I can see why a 58cm would work for you. But I > bet you have a decent amount of seat post sticking out? > > I agree that I am over-analyzing this and that it is, to a large > degree, a question of (certain) aesthetics...but I am trying to > understand the subtleties. There are other factors at play too, such > as head tube length, which can impact max handlebar height. For > example, I have 4 frames all nearly the same size (ranging from > 57-58cm), yet they all have different head tube lengths. Fork-blade > length affects this, too. > > Ultimately, I currently have a 57.5cm RB-1 that I either need to use a > long Technomic on to get the bars where I want 'em now, or I need to > replace it -- and if the latter, I'm wondering if I should go with a > 60cm or 62cm frame. > > -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] NOS Bleriots... yes.
Someone was recently asking about a source for NOS Bleriots. I can tell you where there are three... Dream Cycle on Commercial Drive in Vancouver. http://www.dream-cycle.com Two 57s and a 59. I know this because that's where my Saluki was conceived and built very recently. The owner, Darren McKay, is passionate about building up unusual and custom bikes and I'm sure he won't mind me passing this info along. -Darren. (different Darren) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: noodle bars
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM, dpco wrote: > > patrick, > i didn't take it that way. i was just trying to explain my situation > to the crowd. believe me, i see so many positions on bikes, some look > totally wrong, but you can't judge a book by its' cover. thank god > that we have rivendell and grant. And I have as much reason to be grateful as anyone. Back in the summer of 1994 I called the brand new Rivendell to inquire about a custom. I complained that I felt as if i were "losing power" over the top of the stroke. Grant asked a few questions, and ended up giving me advice -- shove the saddle back! Raise the bars and bring them back! -- that gave me a position radically different from the very wrong position I'd developed for myself: I went from a saddle all the way forward and 135 or 140 mm mm stem six (6) inches below saddle, to saddle all the way back and 80 mm stem 2 inches below saddle. It took my back a few months to adapt (I didn't do this all at once, of course) but now my back is fine on the bike even when (as today) it is sore from, say, too much bending over my workbench. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam with Schwalbe Big Apples
If the QB took 60s with fenders and air between them, I'd buy a QB in a minute. Too bad it's not made for truly fat tires. (I need the 60s for our sand.) On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM, fiddlr40 wrote: > > I just put Big Apples (700x50) on my Quickbeam: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986...@n04/3448531380/in/pool-quickbeam > > It's a tight fit, especially on the chain stays but it's working fine. > I could probably get fenders on too but I'm not going to try that for > a while. These tires are a really comfortable ride and they feel fast > once I'm up to speed. Acceleration is noticeably slower but that's > okay, I'm not racing anyone. > > Funny story: The Big Apples replaced a set of Speedblends. I took the > Speedblends to a swap meet, not really expecting them to sell. A small > bidding war broke out, though, and the winner was a fixie rider who > was going to powdercoat his rims to match. > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam with Schwalbe Big Apples
Careful, tires stretch. If these photos were taken soon after install, I wouldn't be surprised if they hit the frame/fork in a few days. On Apr 16, 10:20 pm, fiddlr40 wrote: > I just put Big Apples (700x50) on my Quickbeam: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986...@n04/3448531380/in/pool-quickbeam > > It's a tight fit, especially on the chain stays but it's working fine. > I could probably get fenders on too but I'm not going to try that for > a while. These tires are a really comfortable ride and they feel fast > once I'm up to speed. Acceleration is noticeably slower but that's > okay, I'm not racing anyone. > > Funny story: The Big Apples replaced a set of Speedblends. I took the > Speedblends to a swap meet, not really expecting them to sell. A small > bidding war broke out, though, and the winner was a fixie rider who > was going to powdercoat his rims to match. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
