Yea........the seat post sticks up about three inches from the clamp
but on a Riv you'd get maybe an inch and a half more due to the
absence of the clamp. The measurement is from the top of the clamp to
the bottom of the curve of a S83 post.  I left my steer tube uncut so
that gives me a noodle bar that is around 1.5 inches higher than the
saddle with my 105 degree stem. The Trucker has a similar extension of
the head tube like an Atlantis but not reinforced with a lug etc. I
like the look of a short seat post  that gives a bicycle that
"frenchy" look rather than the mile high seat post with bars so low
your spine is forced into a reverse S shape. I do however enjoy enough
room over the top tube to go off road on uneven ground and not  get a
bruised crotch. I realize this effect is often over exaggerated by
many but still, I like about an inch of clearance from  the actual
pelvic bone. I know what you mean about different frame sizes, head
tubes and rakes etc.  I have 57,58 and 58.5 cm frames and they are all
different. I'm even noticing the difference in how they handle. These
days I prefer the longer wheelbase slack angled touring frame with fat
tires. There is no more comfortable bike. In fact, my recumbent (on
rough roads) is not as comfortable.  You might in fact be suited to a
61 cm frame. It may be that you have long enough arms/torso to make up
for the longer top tube and you won't need too short of a stem to find
the sweet spot.

On Apr 16, 5:31 pm, jim g <yoj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:06 pm, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am 5'11' and I have a 86.4 cm PBH. I currently ride a Long Haul
> > Trucker which is similar to an Atlantis and I chose a 58cm.  I use
> > 175mm arms now and ride with Crank Bros. 50/50 pedals and Tevas
> > mostly, skate shoes or my Redwing boots.  I have a shorter reach than
> > most and I use a 90 mm stem length. I could probably ride a 60 or 61
> > Riv frame depending on the model and the tire size. I use Schwalbe
> > 700x47's on my Trucker so the 58 cm works nicely for me.
>
> With tires that large, I can see why a 58cm would work for you.  But I
> bet you have a decent amount of seat post sticking out?
>
> I agree that I am over-analyzing this and that it is, to a large
> degree, a question of (certain) aesthetics...but I am trying to
> understand the subtleties.  There are other factors at play too, such
> as head tube length, which can impact max handlebar height.  For
> example, I have 4 frames all nearly the same size (ranging from
> 57-58cm), yet they all have different head tube lengths.  Fork-blade
> length affects this, too.
>
> Ultimately, I currently have a 57.5cm RB-1 that I either need to use a
> long Technomic on to get the bars where I want 'em now, or I need to
> replace it -- and if the latter, I'm wondering if I should go with a
> 60cm or 62cm frame.
>
> -Jim G
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