Re: [python-uk] Lift back to Northampton after PyCon UK on Sunday

[John]

I'm driving back to London down the M1, and would be happy to make a short
diversion to Northampton.

Cheers,

John Hoyland


On 18 September 2013 11:17, Michael Foord  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> Any of you wonderful people who are going to PyCon UK and returning on the
> Sunday, driving somewhere in the vicinity of Northampton - if so would you
> be willing and able to take me back with you? Replies off-list would be
> most welcome...
>
> All of the best,
>
> Michael Foord
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Re: [python-uk] Python training courses

[John]

Hi Tony,

If your colleague needs a public course, then SkillsMatter run one:

https://www.skillsmatter.com/courses/433-russel-winders-python-workshop

Taught by the aforementioned Russel Winder.


Best regards,

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On 14 July 2014 20:19, Tony Ibbs  wrote:

> A colleague at work has asked me if I know of any good Python training
> courses.
>
> He's got some C++ and Python experience (he knows about classes and
> inheritance, seems to be competent with dictionaries, I'd say he's beyond
> beginner in Python, although I'm not sure if he'd agree), and has potential
> approval from his boss to go on a training course if he can find one.
>
> We're based in Cambridge, so London is also a sensible option.
>
> We had a quick look at the python.org wiki page on training (it has
> Russell Winder and Michael Foord listed - I thought Michael was doing
> something else now?). Enthought clearly have a local office, but their
> offerings are all scientific Python oriented, which isn't really
> appropriate. I don't know anything about any of the other companies listed
> there as offering training.
>
> I *think* an existing course would be more useful than something done
> in-house specifically for us, since I don't know if there'd be more than
> one person interested (mind, I haven't asked yet).
>
> So, any suggestions/recommendations would be gratefully received, on or
> off list.
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Re: [python-uk] Python webinar 30 April

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[python-uk] PyData London: Meetup (May 31st) + Conference (June 17th-19th)

[John Sandall]

Hello everyone,

We are restarting the PyDataLondon monthly meetup later this month on 31st
May 2022: https://www.meetup.com/PyData-London-Meetup/events/285864816/

The PyData community is:

   1. *Python-centric* – but not exclusive, we love talks highlighting how
   other languages are great tools for working with data.
   2. *Data-centric* – but not exclusive, whether it's GDPR-for-developers
   or software engineering best practices, it's not all about machine learning
   & analytics.
   3. *Inclusive & safe environment* – PyData is an educational project
   supported by NumFOCUS, all PyData events follow the NumFOCUS Code of
   Conduct, we take this seriously.

We still have one 5-minute lightning slot going and are currently accepting
talk submissions for future events also. If you would like to speak, please
complete this short form: https://london.pydata.org/submit-a-talk


*PyData London Conference 2022*
The 7th annual PyData London Conference is happening June 17-19 at the
Tower Hotel in London. The schedule is now public, to find out more
information and get tickets please visit https://pydata.org/london2022/ .
Here's what you can expect:

   - 12 tutorial workshops on Fri 17th June at beginner and intermediate
   levels.
   - 36 talks + 4 keynotes on Sat 18th and Sun 19th June covering machine
   learning and Pythonic software engineering applied to time series / audio /
   images / video / text data / graph data and much more!
   - Childcare facilities, Unconference track, Conference Slack, and
   networking & social events.


I look forward to meeting many more of you this year!


*John Sandall*


*CEO & Principal Data Scientist*
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Re: [python-uk] HELP ME PLEASE

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Re: [python-uk] PyCamp UK !

[John Pinner]

Hello,

My first post to this list: I'd wondered why I never got mails from 
python uk except for the monthly list reminder, but thanks to Andy 
Robinson have discovered that I was on a long-defunct starship UK list. 
Now put right, thanks Andy.

Michael Sparks wrote:
> On Monday 05 February 2007 20:21, Richard Smedley wrote:
> ..
> 
>>I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable
>>handle on September ;-)
>>
>>I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I
>>favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007.
> 
> 
> I have no idea what LBW is BTW. Leg Before Wicket 2007 doesn't make much
> sense to me :-) 

Especially when listening to the news from Australia.

> :googles
> 
> Oh. That's a bit far for me (Never felt the inclination to go to that).
> 
> 
>>However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something
>>similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting
>>out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we
>>will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two
>>regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-)
> 
> 
> I chatted to John briefly at lunchtime today, and will be chatting with
> him tomorrow about figuring out how to make this work. I think the plan 
> initially is to find out what the aims of the two things are.
> 
> I have a feeling the two are complementary since it sounds like John's 
> organising a conference and I'm organising an unconference. I'll hold on 
> dates though until chatting with John.

Yes, there's no clash other than possibly with dates, as the ideas are 
indeed complementary :-) Michael and I are meeting in Brum today and no 
doubt will make some proposals afterwards.

> At the end of the day, we'll clash with *something* that much is guaranteed,
> however avoiding some of the more python & scripting language related things
> is my primary aim.

This is always a problem. At the beginning of September, we should aim 
to avoid clashing with the Kernel Summit, which is being held in 
Cambridge 4-6th September, and the UKUUG Linux Conference, which is 
being tied to the Kernel Summit and will probably be held before the KS, 
1st-4th September, as we're trying to get big name kernel hackers to 
speak, maybe even Linus, I think Ted Tso has said he'll be there at least.

UKUUG too is a community conference, with a very high signal to noise 
ratio, and usually some good Python stuff. Last year, for example, Luke 
Casson gave an interesting talk on Python web technologies, and I gave a 
rather more light-hearted talk on how I control my central heating 
system with Python. Past conferences have included Python tutorials.

> Whilst Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>>I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, 
>>but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing 
>>what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be?
> 
> 
> This is something I'll be pulling together in the invite. (Given the low
> level of upfront structure, the invite takes on much greater importance)
> I know it sounds like it doesn't work, but it works surprisingly well.
> 
> 
>>* Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find 
>>it useful ?
> 
> 
> If the venue I suggested is large enough, it has presentation equipment.
> 
> 
>>* Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? 
>>(bring your own laptop...)
> 
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> 
> Michael.

Regards,

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Re: [python-uk] Python Training in London

[John Pinner]

Michael Foord wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training 
> at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will 
> be done ?

We do training:

http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training

and have a 'no-frills' Python course:

http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/introducing_python

at a low enough price to compensate for it not being in London.

If there's sufficient demand, we'll hold courses in London, but it won't 
be at those prices. (We're currently arranging dedicated courses in 
London for a well-known merchant bank, and could probably run something 
off the back of that.)

If you're interested, please let me know.

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Re: [python-uk] Python Training in London

[John Pinner]

Michael Foord wrote:
> Interesting to know John, thanks. If I get further enquiries I'll push 
> them in your direction.
> 
> Are you allowed to say which bank you do training for?

Probably not! I'll ask.

John
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> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml
> 
> John Pinner wrote:
> 
>>Michael Foord wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>>Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training 
>>>at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will 
>>>be done ?
>>>
>>
>>We do training:
>>
>>  http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training
>>
>>and have a 'no-frills' Python course:
>>
>>http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/introducing_python
>>
>>at a low enough price to compensate for it not being in London.
>>
>>If there's sufficient demand, we'll hold courses in London, but it won't 
>>be at those prices. (We're currently arranging dedicated courses in 
>>London for a well-known merchant bank, and could probably run something 
>>off the back of that.)
>>
>>If you're interested, please let me know.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>
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[python-uk] UK Python Conferences/Unconferences

[John Pinner]

Hello All,

With the PyUK element of ACCU coming to the end of its run, people who 
attended PyUK may remember that I floated the idea of a more 
community-oriented (ie less formal and much less expensive) conference. 
This seemed to be well-received, and we're now in a position to actually 
do something in the West Midlands, let's call it PyCon UK.

(Thanks Andy for setting up PyUK and running it for so long - I think 
it's done a lot to promote Python in the ACCU-type world, they're a lot 
more open-minded now than before.)

At the same time Michael Sparkes has proposed an unconference, PyCamp 
UK, based in Manchester. I think that we all had some concerns about a 
possible clash.

I met with Michael last week and we agreed that there was no conflict, 
provided that dates don't clash. The proposed events are quite different 
and complementary.

Michael is looking at holding the Manchester event towards the end of 
July, while WmPy is aiming for September. We thought it would be a good 
idea for each group to help the other with the two events.

The UKUUG Linux conference date has been set for 2nd-4th September (in 
Cambridge), running into the Kernel summit 4th-6th September.

So it seems a good time to go for the weekend of 15th-16th September for 
the proposed PyCon UK.

The West Midlands Python Group is having a Technical Meeting this 
Saturday, 24th February and the plan is to hold the first conference 
planning meeting at the end, ie late afternoon.

Details of the meeting are at the WmPy website, http://www.wmpy.eu

The day starts off with a Python tutorial for newish Python people and 
evryone is welcome (but please let us know if you're coming beforehand). 
We're a friendly bunch and don't bite :-)

Regards,

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[python-uk] UK Python Conferences/Unconferences

[John Pinner]

Hello,

The sharp-eyed will have noticed that I mis-typed the URL of the West 
Midlands Python group, it should have been

http://www.pywm.eu

Sorry,

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[python-uk] PyCon UK Call for Papers

[John Pinner]

I'm reposting this, as following a change of isp, the list server
bounced my original mail, but took a week to do it...

Hello All,

Last week we issued the official call for papers here:

http://www.pyconuk.org/submit.html

PyCon UK is the first UK Python community conference and takes place in
Birmingham on the weekend of 8th-9th September 2007.

PyCon UK has generated lots of interest and already we have some
fantastic talks and tutorials planned, so please book your place now at
the extra early bird rate of £50 (includes conference dinner). This
extra low rate only applies until 19th May, so get it while you can!

Please help make this conference by submitting your talks as soon as you
can: the closing date is July 14th, but the sooner you do it the easier
it is for us to plan.

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[python-uk] PyCon UK : Extra Early Bird Rate

[John Pinner]

Just a reminder: the extra early bird rate for PyConUK finishes on
Monday 19th May.

Grab a bargain while you can at http://www.pyconuk.org  !

Best wishes,

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[python-uk] PyCon UK Conference - 8th/9th September

[John Pinner]

Hello,

PyCon UK is less than 10 days away.

We're keeping registration open as long as we can, but we'll stop taking
hotel bookings this weekend : that's when we release anything outstanding
from our block booking.

Bookings are going really well:

* We've had to increase the number of streams from one to four.
* We've had to increase our hotel block booking: so far 75 rooms are booked.
* We have some cracking talks arranged.

So if you haven't booked yet, you'd better do it now at

http://www.pyconuk.org/booking.html

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[python-uk] PyCon UK - It's Here!

[John Pinner]

Hello,

PyCon UK - http://www.pyconuk.org - kicks off this evening with a social
evening, followed by a weekend of talks and tutorials.

It's the first UK conference dedicated to Python, and is centrally located
in Birmingham close to the main rail and coach stations.

There's still time to come, and we're accepting inline bookings right up to
this evening. After that you'll have to register on the door.

Don't miss PyCon UK!

Best wishes,

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[python-uk] Conference

[John Pinner]

As well as PyCon UK (12th-14th September) we have another UK
conference which may be of interest, the UKUUG Spring Conference.

It's not a pure Python conference, but has a significant Python
content (possibly because I'm involved in the organisation ;)

The url is http://spring2008.ukuug.org

The official UKUUG announcement is below

Best wishes,

John
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UKUUG is pleased to announce full details about the forthcoming Spring
Conference & Tutorials.

The event will take place on 31st March, 1st & 2nd April in Birmingham.

3 parallel tutorials will be held on Monday 31st March and a two day
conference (with parallel streams) will take place on Monday 1st & Tuesday
2nd April.

In addition the UKUUG is hosting the UK's first PostgreSQL User
Conference on Tuesday 2nd April at the same venue.

All the information, including abstracts, bios, and an online booking
form can be found at:

http://spring2008.ukuug.org/

Take a look now


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Re: [python-uk] Python training in London

[John Pinner]

Hello,

2008/4/29 Giles Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi there,
>
>  Some of our clients have been asking us about Python training in London, in
> particular for financial markets.

Our three day course is now available in London at a venue on Russell
Square at a cost of £900 plus VAT per person per three days, includes
course, course notes, Thinkpad for three days and food. We just
haven't told anyone about it yet, enquiries to
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> Does anyone on this list have experience
> training quants

I was wondering: why would a Norfolk Broads duck-shooting boat need
its pole training? ;)

> and similar non-developer but still tech-savvy people in
> Python programming?

We've certainly trained people like this, ie intelligent
non-developers, and it's never been a problem. Much easier to train
than non-intelligent developers.

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Re: [python-uk] Python training in London

[John Pinner]

On 29/04/2008, Andy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/4/29 John Pinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >  We've certainly trained people like this, ie intelligent
>  >  non-developers, and it's never been a problem. Much easier to train
>  >  than non-intelligent developers.
>
>
>
> Get that off to comp.lang.python quick, it must be a QOTW ;-)

Feel free to do so!

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Re: [python-uk] Cambridge & East Anglia Pub Meeting, Tue 3rd June

[John Pinner]

Hello Tony,

You will be able to tell your group that registration for PyCon UK is
open. There's an extra early bird rate for a limited period only.

Best wishes,

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2008/6/1 Tony Ibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Same time, same place...
>
> The next meeting of the Cambridge & East Anglia Python group
> will be at 8pm on Tuesday 3rd June 2008, at the Carlton Arms
> (http://www.thecarltonarms.co.uk/).
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[python-uk] PyCon UK 2008

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Hello All,

Registration is now open for PyCon UK 2008 at

http://www.pyconuk.org/booking.html

There's a special extra early bird rate available until 9th June.

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Re: [python-uk] Python training in London

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At last we have arranged a scheduled training course in London.

The first one takes place from 18th to 20th August and is centrally
located on Russell Square, near Russell Square tube station.

Details at 
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/python_for_programmers



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>
> Some of our clients have been asking us about Python training in London, in
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Re: [python-uk] Link to sign up sheet for the tutorials?

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Hello Wesley,

2008/9/11 Wesley Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Afternoon,
>
> I hadn't realised that I needed to sign up for the Tutorials that I wanted
> to attend. Can someone please post the link to the sign up page?

http://www.pyconuk.org/tutorial_check_in/

you need the trailing slash, I believe.

You'd be better off posting to the conference list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meetings: Tue 6 Jan, and thereafter

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Hello Tony,

2008/12/19 Tony Ibbs :
> The next three meetings are:
>
> * Tue 6th January, Lightning Talks, 7.30 - 9.30
>  Room 013, Anglia Ruskin Library
> * Tue 3rd February, Pub Meeting, 8pm at the Carlton Arms
> * Tue 3rd March, Talks or some other event

Please don't forget to plug EuroPython, 28th June to 4th July, www.europython.eu

Happy Christmas,

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Re: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meeting: Tue 3rd March 2009

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Hello Tony,

2009/2/22 Tony Ibbs :
> The next meeting will be Tuesday 3rd March, at RealVNC
> (see below).

You'll be able to tell them about the fantastic Extra Early Bird offer
for EuroPython registration, only applies until 8th March
http://www.europython.eu

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>
> * David Guaraglia: The Twisted framework
> * Gareth Rushgrove: Django and testing
> * Tibs: "from __future__ import" and doctest
>
> Plus anyone is welcome to give a lightning talk on the day.
>
> Directions from Tom Lynn:
>
> RealVNC's offices offices are in Betjeman House on
> Hills Road, A map of the location can be found at
> http://tinyurl.com/realvnc-offices, but the directions
> are basically "the end of Station Road that isn't the
> railway station" or "behind the Flying Pig pub".
>
> As you can see from this Google Map, it's pretty
> easy to find from the old talks location, if about
> a fifteen minute walk away:
> http://tinyurl.com/directions-from-old-location
>
> The next two meeting after that will be:
>
> * Tue 7th April, Pub Meeting, 8pm at the Carlton Arms
> * Tue 5th May, Talks and suchlike again
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Re: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meeting: Tue 3rd March 2009

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Hello!

2009/2/25 Tony Ibbs :
>
> On 25 Feb 2009, at 10:07, John Pinner wrote:
>
>> Hello Tony,
>>
>> 2009/2/22 Tony Ibbs :
>>>
>>> The next meeting will be Tuesday 3rd March, at RealVNC
>>> (see below).
>>
>> You'll be able to tell them about the fantastic Extra Early Bird offer
>> for EuroPython registration, only applies until 8th March
>> http://www.europython.eu
>
> Most definitely - I've been waiting for that myself...
>
> ,,,and am now a registered attendee. Yeah. And I've mentioned it on the
> CamPug google group. Thanks.

See you there, then.

Actually we haven't started publicising yet (due the weekend) as the
early registrants are in fact testers ;-)

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Re: [python-uk]

[John Pinner]

Hello Malte,

2009/3/3 Malte Beckmann :
> Hello!
>
> Just wrote my first 30 odd python scripts and loving this language.

Welcome!

You need to go here then: http://www.europython.eu

> But do, however, have a burning question on my mind.
>
> Why can I not just do  in my webpages like I can do with PHP?

Because you don't want the sort of mess you get with PHP ?

Look at Django, TurboGears and PyLons for better ways of doing what
you do with PHP. They all make a pretty good job of separating code
and presentation.

There will be experts in all of these, and tutorials, at EuroPython.

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[python-uk] EuroPython in England. DON'T MISS OUT

[John Pinner]

Hello,

Just a reminder that Extra Early Bird rate runs out next Tuesday.

See http://www.europython.eu

EuroPython runs from 30th June to 3rd July in Birmingham, with
Tutorials and Sprints before/after.

Act now!

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Re: [python-uk] EuroPython in England. DON'T MISS OUT

[John Pinner]

Hi,

2009/3/6 duncan smith :
> John Pinner wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just a reminder that Extra Early Bird rate runs out next Tuesday.
>>
>
> On the 14th according to the site.  I hope the site's not wrong (or I
> might have to pay the full whack).

No, I'm wrong.

At least I proved someone was there!

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Re: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meetings: Tue 7th April 2009

[John Pinner]

Thanks Tony!

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2009/3/25 Tony Ibbs :
> As sent to the CamPUG Google Group:
>
> The next meeting will be Tuesday 7th April 2009, 8pm at the Carlton Arms
>
> The meetings thereafter will be:
>
> * Tuesday 5th May, talks and suchlike
> * Tuesday 2nd June, pub meeting
>
> Any volunteers for talks in June would be very welcome - as normal, please
> contact the CamPUG list or myself.
>
> Remember that EuroPython 2009 will be in Birmingham, with the main event
> being Tuesday 30th June through Thursday 2nd July. See
> http://www.europython.eu/ for more details.
>
> The CamPUG meeting after that, Tuesday 7th July, will thus also be a pub
> meeting (since I'm assuming we'll all still be recovering - you are
> intending to go, aren't you?).
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Re: [python-uk] London Python

[John Pinner]

Hello Robert,

No sign of londonpython on Twitter!

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2009/4/12 Robert [Siu Design] :
> Hi all,
>
> If you would like to get updates on twitter about what's happening in the
> Python/Django world in London follow @londonpython. I will make
> announcements about DJUGL and LP (London Python) user groups on there, as
> I'm organising both.
>
> Regards
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Re: [python-uk] London Python

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2009/4/13 Michael Foord :
> John Pinner wrote:
>>
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>> No sign of londonpython on Twitter!
>>
>
> Perhaps this?
>
> http://twitter.com/londonpython/

How odd! Not there when I tried and searched this morning: maybe there
was an embargo on Midlands subscribers ;-)

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>
>> regards,
>>
>> John
>> --
>>
>>
>> 2009/4/12 Robert [Siu Design] :
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> If you would like to get updates on twitter about what's happening in the
>>> Python/Django world in London follow @londonpython. I will make
>>> announcements about DJUGL and LP (London Python) user groups on there, as
>>> I'm organising both.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 1

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gt;
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've just noticed that amazon.co.uk are now charging just 15.94 GBP for
>> > _Programming in Python 3_. I have no idea why or how long it will last,
>> > but if you're interested maybe this would be a good time to get it:-)
>> >
>> > See my website for the table of contents and for a PDF of one of the
>> > chapters, and links to independent reviews. Both amazon.co.uk and have
>> > "look inside", although amazon.com has more reviews.
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark Summerfield, Qtrac Ltd, www.qtrac.eu
>> >    C++, Python, Qt, PyQt - training and consultancy
>> >        "Programming in Python 3" - ISBN 0137129297
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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 1

[John Pinner]

Hello,

2009/5/7 john maclean :



> Are many people actually using python 3?

Probably not - yet.

But if you are developing new software you should be using Python 3,
ready for when it becomes the default in Linux distributions (already
it is, in Ubuntu 9.04).

Python 3 offers several advantages over Python 2, notably consistent
string handling (always Unicode), as well as removal of cruft built up
since 1991, and most significantly that's where future language and
library development will take place.

At Clockwork we've started porting our codebase, which involves quite
a lot of work as we have masses of Python 2 stuff. and having finished
porting our C extensions I can report that Python 3 is indeed a big
improvement, but it's nothing to be frightened of, it's like meeting
an old friend who's had a makeover.

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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 1

[John Pinner]

Hello,

2009/5/7 Andy Robinson :
> 2009/5/7 John Pinner :
>> But if you are developing new software you should be using Python 3,
>> ready for when it becomes the default in Linux distributions (already
>> it is, in Ubuntu 9.04).
>
> I just did a clean install of Ubuntu desktop 9.04 2 days ago, and
> typing 'python' brings up 2.6.2.    I have to type 'python3' to get
> Python 3.0.   So I'm not sure what "the default" means.

Sorry, my mistake. 2.6 is the default, Python 3 is installed, but is
not the default. Put this down to Dr Alzheimer...

>
> Otherwise I fully agree (but still dread upgrading ten years worth of code...)

Quite. We've decided to keep the old stuff as is, develop new stuff in
Python 3, and redevelop (rather than convert) old Python 2 systems
into Python 3, only we think they have a long term future.

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[python-uk] EuroPython 2009 - in the UK

[John Pinner]

Hello,

As you all know (if not our publicity has gone awry!) EuroPython 2009
is being held in the UK, in Birmingham, in week beginning 29th June.

We are still reviewing talk submissions, but those already approved
have now been published on the website and the timetable will follow
soon.

see http://europython.eu

We have had a fantastic number of talk submissions, in both quantity
and quality - thanks to all the speakers for their proposals! - and we
have brilliant keynote speakers as well.

The Early Bird booking rate is available for another week - don't delay!

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[python-uk] EuroPython Publicity Materials

[John Pinner]

Hello European Pythonistas,

Now we have some more great publicity materials at
wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/ including banners and wallpaper.

* If you are a delegate, use 'I'm going to EuroPython'
* If you are a speaker, use 'I'm speaking at EuroPython'
* If you can't come this year :-( use 'I wish I was going to EuroPython'

put them on your website, blog or whatever, linked to http://europython.eu !

Intrigue your colleagues : use the EuroPython wallpaper on your Desktop !

Publicise EuroPython, come to EuroPython, enjoy yourself at EuroPython 2009 !

Thank you, Steve Hawkes, for these graphics, Thank you, Zachary Voase,
for the EuroPython logo !

See you there, 28th June to 4th July, Birmingham UK

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[python-uk] EuroPython 2009 Talks Schedule

[John Pinner]

The Talks Schedule has been published at http://europython.eu/talks/timetable/

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[python-uk] EuroPython Starts Next Week

[John Pinner]

Hello,

EuroPython 2009 starts next week, on Tuesday 30th June in Birmingham, and is
preceded by two days of Python tutorials.

If you have not already booked your place there is still time to get in if
you register at http://europython.eu/registration/ although hotel rooms are
disappearing fast.

With over 400 delegates registered already and more than 100 talks and other
events this is the biggest European Python event ever and is not to be
missed by anyone interested in Python.

There are keynotes by Professor Sir Tony Hoare, Cory Doctorow and Bruce
Eckel, and a talk on Bletchley Park from Dr Sue Black, not to  mention
prizes including an Xbox and a Dell Studio laptop.

The social side has not been forgotten, with a Conference Dinner on
Wednesday 1st and other evening socials, and...

a Partners' Programme http://wiki.europython.eu/Conference%20Widows/ so you
can bring your nearest and dearest and be sure that s(he) will be happy
while you are immersed in things Pythonic.

Win Brownie points for a change: bring your partner!

Early Bird registration is over, although there is a concessionary rate for
students, pensioners and the unwaged.

Don't miss out, book your place at http://europython.eu/registration/

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[python-uk] UKUUG Summer Conference

[John Pinner]

I thought you might like to know about UKUUG's Summer Conference, which 
is over the weekend of 8th/9th Auguat in Birmingham (same venue as for 
EuroPython). There is a day of tutorials on Friday 7th, including a very 
useful one on using the GIMP.


Details are at http://summer2009.ukuug.org

UKUUG's Summer Conference has traditionally been very Linux-centric 
(past speakers include Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox) but this year it has 
been opened up to items of more general interest.


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[python-uk] PyCon UK 2009 UnConference

[John Pinner]

Hello Everybody,

Last year we said that there would be no PyCon UK in 2009, because we were
going to run EuroPython 2009 instead.

However, talking to people it seems that there's room for a smaller more
informal event so we're pleased to announce that PyCon UK 2009 lives, in the
shape of a one day UnConference to be held on 5th September.

More details can be seen on the PyCon UK website, http://pyconuk.org.

As it's an unconference, all that the committee is doing is arranging the
venue, facilities and insurance. The rest is up to you, and to help you
there is a wiki at http://wiki.pyconuk.org.

Hoping to see you all in September!

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[python-uk] Proposed PyCon UK UnConference, 5th September

[John Pinner]

Hi,

We confirmed the Unconference - http:///pyconuk.org - a couple of weeks ago
and announced it on the pyconuk and python-uk lists.

Regrettably there has been a very poor response (2 delegates, and one of
those is me!) so faced with venue and insurance costs of approx £2k to cover
it looks like we will have to cancel. Very disappointing given the high
level of interest expressed at EuroPython.

Unless of course there is a sudden rush...

We'll give it until the middle of next week before making a final decision.

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Proposed PyCon UK UnConference, 5th September

[John Chandler]

As £2k is steep given the number of delegates (or lack thereof) how 
about a different venue for smaller numbers?


Perhaps a venue that would attract geeks anyway, would be sympathetic to 
our needs and "we" (the Python community) already know of it?


Bletchley Park..?


I'm not going to be able to make the Unconference either :-( I'm afraid 
my attempts to keep the 5th clear haven't been successful.


I would certainly be keen on a similar event at Bletchley Park as it's 
not far from me.



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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 10

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Hey chap,

I'm py-curious. Where is the George? post code or map appreciated.

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> Just to remind all the Londoners about the meetup tomorrow. Here are the
> details again:
>
> Time: Wednesday 19th August, from 7pm
> Venue: The George[1] (opposite and along from last month's venue).
>
> If you have any Python-curious friends or colleagues, bring them along too.
> Get there whenever you like, me and Stephen will battle London traffic and
> try and get there as close to 7pm as possible.  We'll display the usual
> can-o-spam in case the gaggle of geeks in the corner isn't enough of a
> giveaway.
>
> Look forward to seeing you there.
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> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Stephen Emslie 
> wrote:
>
>> Just to remind all the Londoners about the meetup tomorrow. Here are the
>> details again:
>>
>> Time: Wednesday 19th August, from 7pm
>> Venue: The George[1] (opposite and along from last month's venue).
>>
>> If you have any Python-curious friends or colleagues, bring them along
>> too.  Get there whenever you like, me and Stephen will battle London traffic
>> and try and get there as close to 7pm as possible.  We'll display the usual
>> can-o-spam in case the gaggle of geeks in the corner isn't enough of a
>> giveaway.
>>
>> Look forward to seeing you there.
>>
>> Stephen
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Re: [python-uk] Reminder: London Meetup tomorrow

[John Pinner]

Hi,

2009/8/18 Stephen Emslie 

> Just to remind all the Londoners about the meetup tomorrow. Here are the
> details again:
>
> Time: Wednesday 19th August, from 7pm
> Venue: The George[1] (opposite and along from last month's venue).
>

Just a small point: that doesn't tell me where the meeting is unless I went
to the last one!

>
> If you have any Python-curious friends or colleagues, bring them along
> too.  Get there whenever you like, me and Stephen will battle London traffic
> and try and get there as close to 7pm as possible.  We'll display the usual
> can-o-spam in case the gaggle of geeks in the corner isn't enough of a
> giveaway.
>
> Look forward to seeing you there.
>

Having just gained a customer in London, I'll make sure that the next time I
visit them it will be on a London Python meetup day.

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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Proposed PyCon UK UnConference, 5th September

[John Pinner]

Hi,

2009/8/12 Russel Winder 

> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:25 +0100, Sarah Mount wrote:
> > 2009/8/6 John Pinner :
>
> > > Unless of course there is a sudden rush...
>
> Hopefully there are now enough people signed up for this to be a good
> event.
>

We have enough signed up to ensure that the event goes ahead, although
rather fewer than indicated their interest at EuroPython.


> > Just signed up, I would guess a lot of people will need to be
> > reminded. BTW I know it sounds silly but the "booking" link on the
> > PyConUK site was actually quite hard to see, maybe worth flagging it
> > up at the top of the page?
>

Yes, done.

>
>
> True, but the link to "import antigravity" is a lot more
> entertaining :-)
>
> I have signed up for the (un)conference as well, now I just have to get
> there . . .
>
> See you all there,

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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16

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A code-dojo is like a code sprint, right?

Master, teach me the way of the Crouching Tiger, hidden import.



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> Apologies for the late notice, but just a quick heads up to let you
> know that some of us are meeting tomorrow evening (Thursday 27th
> August) to organise a Python "Code Dojo". Anyone who is interested is
> welcome to turn up on-spec.
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Re: [python-uk] DJUGL on 24 September 2009?

[John Chandler]

On 29 Aug 2009, at 14:10, Bruce Durling wrote:


Does anyone know if this Django User group meeting is for real?



A colleague and I went to one a few months ago. They are indeed real,  
though there hasn't been one in a while - good to see it back again.



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Re: [python-uk] pyconuk

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Hello!

2009/9/1 Carles Pina i Estany 

>
> Hello,
>
> This Saturday is the Python Unconference:
> http://pyconuk.org/
>
> I'm not sure yet if I will go there. The only thing that I can see is:
> http://wiki.pyconuk.org/
>
> So I don't see any confirmed talk, schedule, etc. like I see from 2008:
> http://pyuk2008.pyconuk.org/timetable.html
>
> Anything behind the scenes has been happening?
>
>
The point is that this is an unconference and there is no schedule set in
advance - please read the home page.

The people attending decide what happens on the day!

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Re: [python-uk] PyCon UK, UnConference, 5th September 2009 - yes tomorrow!

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Hi,

2009/9/6 Carles Pina i Estany 

>
> Hello,
>
> On Sep/04/2009, Zeth wrote:
>
> > A new event, our first ever "UnConference" is tomorrow, doesn't time
> > fly! Doors are open from 9.30 am tomorrow. Entry is a tenner to help
> > cover costs.
>
> How it went?
>
> It went well. As I recall 31 people turned up, plus there were 7 people who
registered but didn't show.


> Any blog entries?
>
> I don't know, but we kept the wiki (more-or-less) up-to-date.

Finally I didn't assist.
>
> Thanks for the explanation of the "UnConference" topic. I thought that
> was a conference organised using Wiki/mailing list, not same day :-)
>
> See you next time/soon,
>

At the end we agreed to repeat the event, maybe twice a year.

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[python-uk] Interview with Alex Martelli on Python

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Hello All,

I thought that you might be interested in this interview with Alex Martelli:

http://www.oreillygmt.co.uk/alex_martelli_future_of_python.html

(I helped Josette with some of the questions).

How about seeing if we can get him to EuroPython next year?

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Re: [python-uk] Google Wave

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Hi,

2009/10/19 Pablo Brasero Moreno :
>     This is pabl...@googlewave.com. May I join the discussion? I have found
> Wave not so useful so far for the same reason.

Being a cynical old man I suspect that it's yet another piece of
technology looking for a problem to solve, when the stuff that really
needs doing is neglected because it's boring.

Have you guys read Greg Conti's book Googling Security? You should.

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> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Nicholas Tollervey  wrote:
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>> Done... ;-)
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2009, at 21:00, Toby Watson wrote:
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>>> Can you add me into the discussion please?
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Re: [python-uk] Prize-winning mushroom

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Hi,

2009/10/29 Graham Stratton :
> gSculpt?

That's right, by Geoffrey French

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> On 29 Oct 2009, at 20:39, Paul Ollis wrote:
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>> Please could someone remind me of the name of the design program that
>> was demonstrated so well in the prize-winning lightning talk at the
>> first Pycon UK in 2007?
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Re: [python-uk] Python based package installation, how to?

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Hello Jia,

What version of Linux are you running?

If it's Debian-based, in their wisdom they've changed the search
paths, so that a Python standard install may install to a path that
Debian doesn't search. Youd' need to set your pythonpath to include,
most likely, /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages.

2009/12/15 JIA Pei :
>
>
> Hi, all:
>
> Just start using python and want to install some python based packages.
>
> However, after installation, only some of the python packages can be
> imported, while other won't.
>
>
> For example
> pyml at http://pyml.sourceforge.net/
>
> what I've done are:
>
> $ sudo python setup.py  install
> $ easy_install pyml

easy_install is redundant after the previous statement.

> $ python
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75706, Nov  2 2009, 14:38:03)
> [GCC 4.4.1] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> import pyml
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "", line 1, in 
> ImportError: No module named pyml
>>>>
>
> Can anybody please give me a hand?

I'm in meetings for the rest of day: I'm sure soemone else can help though.

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Re: [python-uk] Small Project Help

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On 23 February 2010 09:49, Adrian Rice  wrote:
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> that's integral to our company's workflow and it doesn't seem to be working
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> difficult to locate a company in London that offers Python development?
> Can you suggest a company that we could contact that could possibly help to
> resolve our issue and do some further development?

There are many Python programmers in the UK outside London, especially
North of Watford.

My own company (http://www.clocksoft.com, and
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk) is a Python shop and we support
customers, for example, in Wales, London, Durham and Bristol, so
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Re: [python-uk] emacs and python and emacs-starter-kit

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Hi Bruce,

Does anyone have any configurations or cool emacs python tips that they 
want to share? I'd like to look into improving the python support in 
emacs-starter-kit and I'd be interested in getting some suggestions.



I use Aquamacs on the Mac, hence my clumsy fingers at the Dojo, with the 
default Python mode which isn't great. Will check out the 
emacs-starter-kit and see how it works out. Would love to improve the 
Python support for EMACS, as I've been spoilt with WingIDE at work.



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[python-uk] Gaming at EuroPython

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Hi All Python Gamers!

Seeing the activity on gaming - dojo, pygame week, etc, I thought that i
should say that:

Richard Jones, http://www.mechanicalcat.net, will be giving a tutorial
Introduction to Python Gaming at EuroPython. As well as being a gamer,
Richard is a core Python developer, and we're hoping that his contribution
will be the start of a good Gaming Track at EP  this year,

So please submit your Gaming talks at http://www.europython.eu/submission/

Thanks!

Oh and Extra Early Bird Rate is still available, as no one has got around to
taking it off yet, it will be changed this week though!

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Re: [python-uk] easy_install pip won't work, am concerned Ministry of Packaging may chase after me.

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HI,

At the risk of repeating other (lengthy) discussions on this subject from 18
months ago...

On 1 April 2010 02:39, Jon Ribbens

> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:14:50PM +0100, Ed Stafford wrote:
> >Mike,
> >
> >Glad it worked for you. Although the Ubuntu team does a fine job of
> >package management I'm still a bit hesitant to use their python
> packages.
>

The problem is that they're usually out-of-date. The same goes for debian
whence Ubuntu obtain their packages.

The advantage of using Ubuntu/Debian packages, where up-to-date ones exist,
is that your system is under consistent control of the system's package
manager.

>It's easy enough using vanilla python to get everything you need going.
>

The issue with using the Python utils is that they do not play with the
distibution's package management. For example, they do not cooperate over
dependencies, nor provide a clean uninstall. No self-respecting sysadmin
would dream of using them, simply because they are independent of the
system's package management ( eg apt or yum).

In
> >the future you can do the following just as easily.
> >
> >`wget 
> > [1]http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py`<http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py%60>
> >`sudo python ez_setup.py`
> >`sudo easy_install pip virtualenv virtualenvwrapper`
>
> I strongly advise not using easy_install, it's awful.
>

Yes, because it's trying to solve the problems of package management on
systems without a'proper'  package manager, it compromises those systems
with one.

I think that the solution here is for the Python package maintainers to make
sure that *they* provide the Debian/Ubuntu/Red Hat/SUSE/whatever packages,
and not rely on the hard-pressed distribution maintainers.

A kludge that I use is to download the Python package, eg xlwt, then do a
setup.py build, and run alien on the resulting tar.gz to produce a .deb or
.rpm. At least I get a package which can be installed/uninstalled by the
system package manager, although Python dependencies will not be managed
without a bit of tweaking.

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Re: [python-uk] London Python Code Dojo Tomorrow

[John Chandler]

Cheers everyone for another great night.

Cells rocks! I think I've found another project to eat into my minimal 
spare time :-)



Cheers,

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Re: [python-uk] Code Dojo

[John Chandler]

It appears that on this week we will have a Dojo.

Is the calendar correct?


Nope, not correct - was probably set like that at the beginning of the  
year and not changed.


The next dojo will be September as we opted for a break this month.


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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

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On 2 August 2010 14:07, Rob Cowie  wrote:
>
> On 2 Aug 2010, at 14:02, Zeth wrote:
>
>> On 2 August 2010 13:43, Rob Cowie  wrote:
>>> Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and 
>>> although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there 
>>> isn't a python users group.
>>
>> Oh yes there is:
>> http://ypy.org.uk/
>
> Whhh? 6 months I've been here, at least 6 geekups, 1 ruby users group and 
> 2 open coffee mornings at OBH and I'd never heard of this. Don't know if I 
> should laugh or cry ;) Thanks for the heads up. I'll be there.

Rule 1 for the Python world - look at python.org first.

ypy is listed there quite clearly. (via community, Local User Groups).

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[John Pinner]

Hi,

On 2 August 2010 15:58, Zeth  wrote:
> On 2 August 2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey  wrote:
>> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python 
>> (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to 
>> understand).

The whole point of this type of system is that the user shouldn't have
to know about the internals, otherwise it has failed. So pinax is
Python/Django, we should be using a Python-based system, and we can
improve anything we don't like as well, and improve a Python product
for the rest of the world.

Although as an old codger I'm a dedicated fan of static HTML sites,
I'd rather use the pinax than anything to do with the No 2 'evil
empire'.

> We have done the Django-fu, that is not a problem. For people who want
> to be involved, let me know and I will add you to the doodle list.

What is this doodle? Nicholas' link just goes to doodle.com, not a
specific doodle. Please send the details.

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Re: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination

[John Pinner]

HI,

On 2 August 2010 17:42, Michael Foord  wrote:
> On 02/08/2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol'
>> Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to
>> understand).
>>
>> GitHub / BitBucket is a great idea too.
>>
>> Seriously, all we need to start with right now is:
>>
>> 1) A shared Google Calendar that is readable by *everyone* and writable by
>> PUG organisers (that identify themselves here on this mailing list)
>> 2) A Twitter list of Python-UK people
>> 3) A web-page with both these embedded on them.
>>
>>
>
> This sounds great.
>
>> I *would* volunteer to create these right now but I'm up to my eyes in
>> code and it's my wedding anniversary today so this evening is out. Also,
>> perhaps we could decide on the date of an IRC meeting / open up the doodle
>> so people on this list can say when they're available..? Coordination and
>> community collaboration is the way to go before actually doing anything
>> (IMHO) ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Some kind of organisation - like deciding who will maintain the calendar and
> twitter lists.
>
> To be honest a Pinax site seems like overkill, but if people with spare
> energy are *volunteering* to do the work then that is great.

Although I am inclined to agree, and fancied a wiki for PyWm, the fact
is that work has been done already, by Zeth and Steve Hawkes, so let's
use it.

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[python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active)

[John Chandler]

On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote:

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy Kilner  wrote:

heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the
porter house in a while, how about there?


I'll give that a +1. :-D


Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-)

Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden?


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Re: [python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active)

[John Chandler]

No worries - see you all next week :-)


John

On 18/08/2010 14:53, Stephen Emslie wrote:

Hi Folks

Unfortunately, due to work commitments we're going to postpone the
Pyssup till next week Wednesday. Same place, same time:

Thats Wednesday 25th, 6:30pm onwards
Porterhouse in Covent Garden

Sorry to everyone who was looking forward to a pint and a good geek out
tonight, but we'll be sure to make it a good one next week.


Stephen


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jon Ribbens
mailto:jon%2bpython...@unequivocal.co.uk>> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:50:13PM +0100, John Chandler wrote:
 > On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote:
 >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy Kilnermailto:gnubl...@gmail.com>>  wrote:
 >>> heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the
 >>> porter house in a while, how about there?
 >>
 >> I'll give that a +1. :-D
 >
 > Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-)
 >
 > Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden?

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Re: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meeting: Tue 5th October

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Hello Tony,

Don't forget the FLOSSUK unconfernec, Saturday 16th October,
incorporating the PyCon UK 2010 Unconf

Best wishes,

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>
> The next meeting should be a dojo meeting, Tuesday 5th October, 7.30pm at 
> RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices).
>
> Meetings after that should be:
>
> * Tuesday 2nd November, a talks meeting
> * Tuesday 7th Decembet, another dojo meeting
> * notionally Tuesday 4th January (2011), but I'd propose actually having the 
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Re: [python-uk] processing input from multiple files

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Hi,

On 14 October 2010 10:43, Tim Golden  wrote:
> On 14/10/2010 10:34, Christopher Steele wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to decode a series of observations from multiple files
>> (each file is a different time) and put each type of observation into
>> their
>> own separate file. The script runs successfully for one file but whenever
>> I
>> try it for more they just overwrite each other. I'm new to python and I'm
>> not sure how to go about efficiently running through the process once and
>> then appending to the output file for all other input files. Has anyone
>> done
>> something similar to this before?
>
> Hi, Chris, welcome to Python. A couple of things. This is a relatively
> low-traffic list, and gets used mostly for local events and jobs. You're
> welcome to post Python questions here but you'll get a broader readership
> (and more chance of an answer) from the main Python list:
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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>  or, since you're new to the language, the tutor list:
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or even comp.lang.python

*or* come to the FLOSSUK unconf on Saturday (it's free) -
http://flossuk.org - where you will find  a number of UK Python people
and you could get some help. Bring your code and we could have a
critique session!

> Secondly, it's best to post up some code you've already written so people
> can get a better idea of the direction you're taking. Your description
> above is a little ambiguous, and code can speak louder than words..
>
> It doesn't sound hard to do what you seem to be describing, but let's
> see what you've got so far :)

Yes, the scope for helping is limited without the code!

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Re: [python-uk] PyCon UK

[John Pinner]

Hello,

On 14 October 2010 11:07, Kev Dwyer  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I've noticed that PyCon UK is being held as part  of the FLOSS UK conference
> this year.  I'm just curious, how is PyCon UK advertised?  I've only seen it
> mentioned in passing on this list.

pyconuk.org
lanyrd.com
on the lists and Twitter, by you and I
by word-of-mouth
(all of those depend upon UK Python people doing things)
and,
at EuroPython, to the assembled masses. (200+ UK delegates)

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Re: [python-uk] London Python Roles

[John Pinner]

On 13 December 2010 16:31, Alec Battles  wrote:

> Am I the only one who considers this a bit spammy?
>

No ;-)

On some other lists to which I subscribe, agencies are regarded as the
lowest of the low and are banned.

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> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Richard Catley <
> rcat...@fuelrecruitment.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>   Dear all
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m looking for two permanent Python/Django developers to join a high
>> profile incubated startup in London. You will have strong development skills
>> and be happy to work with a very dedicated technical team. You will need to
>> be London based. Salary is negotiable depending on experience but this is a
>> great opportunity to work at the leading edge of social media. I’m more than
>> happy to send you the full details once contact has been made. We have
>> interview slots available so please get in touch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Richard Catley
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>>
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>>
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Re: [python-uk] London Python Roles

[John Pinner]

HI,

On 13 December 2010 19:36, Tim Golden  wrote:
> On 13/12/2010 7:27 PM, John Pinner wrote:
>>
>> On 13 December 2010 16:31, Alec Battles  wrote:
>>
>>> Am I the only one who considers this a bit spammy?
>>>
>>
>> No ;-)
>>
>> On some other lists to which I subscribe, agencies are regarded as the
>> lowest of the low and are banned.
>
> I'm genuinely surprised by this reaction which comes up
> even more forcefully on the main Python lists. It seems
> like a reasonable use of a (technically and geographically)
> focused mailing list. You might not like job agencies, but
> there doesn't seem to be anything intrinsically wrong with
> them.
>
> Am I missing something? Is some kind of Linux-culture thing
> which doesn't spill over...?

You're probably missing the employer's view, from which perspective
they provide a very low level of service, often bordering on the
incompetent, and at a very high price.

I don't think it's anything to do with Linux culture, except that they
all seem incapable of recognising that the requirements of a Linux
shop differ from an MS shop, and persist in proposing people with MSCE
and Access 'database' experience...

And there are Python and Linux job boards...

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Re: [python-uk] Tell us what you did with Python this year....

[John Chandler]

On 20/12/2010 12:18, Andy Robinson wrote:

Why don't a few people here tell us what they got up to this year?
Neat projects at work, things you learned about Python in 2010, things
you've been playing with
It's been an interesting year in Python for me. The London dojos have 
been fantastic - met some great people and learnt a lot of new skills. I 
also submitted some test coverage code to Python 3.2 while at 
EuroPython, which was cool.


Until recently, I was maintaining Python-based data feed systems and 
using a liberal application of Python to fix things that weren't easy to 
fix using other tech. I'm now involved with a new company and doing 
prototyping work for redeveloping a huge system written in PHP and Perl, 
replacing particular core components with Python, Django and Celery. Hurray!


Two personal projects have occupied me this year. The first is a wargame 
written using PyGame - the code is a mess and has been neglected the 
last few months. I plan to rewrite most of it based on lessons learnt 
and release the source code properly (it's in a private BitBucket repo 
at the moment).


The second project is FluidInYourEar, which uses FluidDB as the backend 
database. It's a music band/genre browser which ultimately wants to 
become a communal music recommender (mostly heavy metal but could be 
anything). I'm midway porting it to Flask and Google's AppEngine, but 
don't have time to progress it at the moment. I gave a talk in October 
on FIYE which was the first time I've given a tech talk - hope to do 
more such talks next year, including one at PyCon AU 2011 if I can pluck 
up enough courage.



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Re: [python-uk] Tell us what you did with Python this year....

[John Chandler]

On 21/12/2010 15:33, Jonathan Hartley wrote:

> a wargame

Hey. What sort of game? 2d? Turn-based? Hex tiles? Or what? And are 
you using Pygame or pyglet or something else?
It's using PyGame. 2D, solitaire, turn-based, irregular area maps (sort 
of like Hearts of Iron II), with a bit of politics and management thrown 
in as well as combat.


I was learning to use PyGame and ran before I could walk. Now I know 
better, hence the need to revise the code :-)



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[python-uk] Python Ireland

[John Pinner]

I have a message from Vicky Lee:

"I am happy to say that we will be hosting PyCon Ireland 2011 in
Dublin, it will be on Sat 8th Oct and Sun 9th Oct"

http://www.python.ie

Best wishes,

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo at PyconUK

[John Pinner]

On 9 September 2011 13:02, Tim Golden  wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 12:04, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
>>
>> Here's one from me to kick things off:
>>
>> Roman Numeral Calculator - e.g. XI - III = IIX (Apparently, it's not
>> as easy as you'd think. Parsing / converting between Roman numerals /
>> numeric values apparently has some interesting "weird" rules to take
>> into account). :-)
>
> For those who haven't been involved, Nicholas has been trying to
> get us to vote for this Roman Numeral Converter pretty much every
> London Python Dojo for the last two years :)

Maybe we should humour him, then.
What I'd like to know, is what about zero?

> Maybe Coventry will be his lucky place?

So we have to send him to Coventry so he can get it?

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Re: [python-uk] Dojo at PyconUK

[John Pinner]

Hi,

On 9 September 2011 15:10, Stestagg  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Nicholas Tollervey  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 13:23 +0100, John Pinner wrote:
>>> On 9 September 2011 13:02, Tim Golden  wrote:
>>> > On 09/09/2011 12:04, Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Here's one from me to kick things off:
>>> >>
>>> >> Roman Numeral Calculator - e.g. XI - III = IIX (Apparently, it's not
>>> >> as easy as you'd think. Parsing / converting between Roman numerals /
>>> >> numeric values apparently has some interesting "weird" rules to take
>>> >> into account). :-)
>>> >
>>> > For those who haven't been involved, Nicholas has been trying to
>>> > get us to vote for this Roman Numeral Converter pretty much every
>>> > London Python Dojo for the last two years :)
>>>
>>
>> Sh, don't tell them that! It'll never get chosen. :-/
>>
>>> Maybe we should humour him, then.
>>> What I'd like to know, is what about zero?
>>>
>>
>> Or floats...?
>>
>>> > Maybe Coventry will be his lucky place?
>>>
>>> So we have to send him to Coventry so he can get it?
>>>
>>
>> B'dum tish.
>>
>> Here's another favourite of mine:
>>
>> Create a simple text adventure game world. Navigate with commands like
>> n,s,e and w and look at your surroundings with the, er, "look" command.
>> Great fun if you want to understand directed graphs. :-)
>>
>> A variation on this theme is a "Hunt the Wumpus" clone. But then Tim
>> would have to admit to *his* dojo "testing" secret.
>>
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> Fwiw, the more interesting challenge is to write an efficient Roman
> Numeral calculator that doesn't convert between numerals and numeric
> values.  How do you multiply IX and V in a non-decimal world? It's not
> *that* hard, but good for stimulating debate.

I don't know, but I guess that I'd start by finding out how the Romans did it.

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[python-uk] Workshop: Test Driven Django Development with Selenium

[John Pinner]

For us provincials, Harry Percival is repeating his workshop held last
year in London, but in Coventry.

This is being held at the monthly PyWM Tech Meeting in Coventry on
28th January, it's a Workshop on Test Driven Django Development with
Selenium, led
by Harry, whom you will remember from PyCon UK 2011.

There has been a lot of interest in this, and we are limiting numbers.
You need to book, and book NOW if you're interested.

Booking is at pywmt...@eventbrite.com, and there is a wiki page at

http://2012.pyconuk.net/TDDS
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Re: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tuesday 10 Jan (tomorrow)

[John Lenton]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 08:00, Tony Ibbs  wrote:
> The next meeting should be a talks meeting, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://
>  tinyurl.com/realvncoffices).

when?

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Re: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tuesday 10 Jan (tomorrow)

[John Pinner]

Hello,
On 9 January 2012 11:11, John Lenton  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 08:00, Tony Ibbs  wrote:
>> The next meeting should be a talks meeting, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://
>>  tinyurl.com/realvncoffices).
>
> when?

Tomorrow, Tuesday 10th (It's in the Subject).

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Re: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tuesday 10 Jan (tomorrow)

[John Pinner]

On 9 January 2012 19:57, Tony Ibbs  wrote:
>
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 12:31, John Pinner wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> On 9 January 2012 11:11, John Lenton  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 08:00, Tony Ibbs  wrote:
>>>> The next meeting should be a talks meeting, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://
>>>>  tinyurl.com/realvncoffices).
>>>
>>> when?
>>
>> Tomorrow, Tuesday 10th (It's in the Subject).
>
> I just emailed him back with the same. But it's not the first time I've been 
> asked, so maybe I should put it in the body text as well! (people handle 
> emails in such different ways).

Also, some clients (notably gmail) do not show you teh subject when
you look at the body.

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[python-uk] One day course : Google App Engine with Python

[John Pinner]

O’Reilly UK and FLOSS UK are offering a new course

Hello!

I thought that you'd like to know about a one day course being offered
by FLOSS UK and o'Reilly. It's one of a regular series of courses
organised by FLOSS UK throughout the year see http://flossuk.org. This
is an organisation well worth joining and its events have a very high
signal to noise ratio. Disclaimer: I am a member!

Here are the details:

Explore what Google App Engine has to offer web developers, with Paul Barry

Intensive Introduction to Google App Engine with Python

This course is aimed at web developers looking to learn what Google
App Engine brings to the web development table.  In addition to
exploring Python’s Google App Engine API, course attendees will build,
upload and deploy a complete working webapp to Google’s cloud service
during this one-day, hands-on session.  Course
attendees should note that prior knowledge of Python is useful, but
not essential.


Further information including course content and booking form can be
found on: http://www.flossuk.org/Events/Googleapp

Venue: Imperial Hotel, Russell Square, London
Date: 12th April 2012.

Note: The Imperial is very convenient: a brisk 10 minute walk from
Euston station.

Tutor:

Your tutor, Paul Barry, is a lecturer at The Institute of Technology,
Carlow in Ireland, where he has taught advanced undergraduate
computing courses for the last 15 years.  Paul is also a Contributing
Editor at Linux Journal, and is a regular speaker at the PyCon Ireland
conferences. Paul has a number of technical books to his credit,
including his most recent “Head First Python” (2011), which is part of
the hugely popular brain-friendly series of books from O’Reilly Media.

Best wishes,

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Re: [python-uk] Pyserial on Raspberry Pi returning just "\x00" ie NULL characters

[John Pinner]

Hello Michael,

On 2 July 2012 13:45, Michael  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Probably a little off topic, but posting here in the hope that someone
> else has tried connecting a Rasp Pi to an arduino using the arduino's
> built in usbserial device. (ie like you would with a "normal" linux
> box).
>
> Ignoring all the app details, if I have a piece of code that's like this:
>
> import serial
> ser = serial.Serial("/dev/ttyUSB0", 9600)
> while True:
>print repr(ser.read())
>
> Then on a normal linux box, I'm getting back values I'd expect. On the
> raspberrypi, I'm simply getting back "\x00" characters.
>
> In my actual code, I'm both sending and receiving data. The curious
> oddity here is that I appear to be receiving the correct *number* of
> characters, and appear to also be sending the right number (based on
> the flashing of the RX light on the arduino).
>
> However, whilst they're the right number of characters, the actual
> characters, being NULLs, are clearly wrong.
>
> I'm guessing that this is actually nothing to do with python and more
> a driver issue on the Pi, but on the off chance it is a python issue
> or something someone else here has seen before I thought it worth
> posting and asking.

> If anyone's interested, the context of this is using and RFID tag
> reader (plugged into the Pi - which I have working to cause motors to
> spin on another device. The reason for the arduino here rather than
> faffing with the Pi's pins is a) it'd be faff with the Pi's pins b) I
> have an arduino with built in servo control circuits - essentially an
> Arduino duemilanove clone with a motor shield combined c) I had all
> the bits and really didn't expect serial connection to/from the Pi to
> be where I'd get issues!
>
> Any suggestions (good or bad :), comments or sympathy welcome :-)

There are known problems with the Pi USB :

* Some possible driver issues (to do with mixed high- and low-speed
devices on the same hub.
* Power capacity.

For example, I have a rather nice IBM USB keyboard, if I use that at
the same time as a USB wifi dongle, the wifi stops working. A cheapo
Kensington keyboard works fine.

Try:

* Checking for a healthy 4.75 - 5.25 volts between TP1 and TP2 on the Pi.
* Installing an updated Pi kernel. Dom has just done a beta Wheezy
image, which he thinks may have fixed the USB driver problem, but he
wants feedback:

http://files.velocix.com/c1410/images/debian/7/2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.zip

* Using a decent quality *powered* USB hub (>=2.0 amps)

> baffled-of-the-north,

I know how you feel.

Best wishes,

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[python-uk] PyCon UK 2012

[John Pinner]

Hello All,

We're pleased to announce that the PyCon UK 2012 conference is open for
bookings at http://pyconuk.org. The Early Bird rate is available until 12
August, and there is a Concession rate available for Students, Nurses, and
Unwaged right up to the conference date.

PyCon UK runs from 28th September to 1st October, with the core conference
being 29th-30th September, and the venue is, as last year, the Coventry
TechnoCentre, easily reached from any part of the country.

This year we're running sprints as an integral part of the conference,
instead of being tacked on afterwards. Each sprint will have an
Introductory talk on Friday 28th, then have sessions throughout the
weekend, which you will be able to drop in to between any talks you can'r
miss. For the sprint diehards, sessions will continue into Monday to wrap
up any loose ends.

Hoping to see you there!

The PyCon UK team.
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[python-uk] [PyWM] July Tech Meeting : Saturday

[John Pinner]

It was suggested that we post details of our PyWM (Python West Midlands) 
meetings to the python-uk list, se here goes:


Hello All,

After last month's cockup (sorry about the confusion as to when was the 
4th Saturday), we have a July meeting:


When : Saturday 28th July
Time : 10;30am ish
Location : Coventry TechnoCentre, Room CC1-4

What we're going to do ;

* Evidence for Development
  - update
  - prepare for PyCon UK EfD sprint

* PyWm website
  - get it up-to-date
  - get 'someone' looking after it

* PyCon UK
  - progress
  - publicity
  - Partners' Programme

Anything else ?

As usual, please indicate below if you're coming and re-post.

Thanks!

Best wishes,

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Re: [python-uk] FlogTheDogs.com : computer and programming related gear (plus site)

[John Pinner]

Hi,

On 28 August 2012 13:20, Michael Foord  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm trying to slim down my unneeded possessions, much of which is computer
> and programming related gear (including some Python books). Ebay is useless
> for "locally collected" stuff, so I've developed my own site for selling
> and giving away stuff for local collection. I'm hoping that as well as
> helping me get rid of my excess gear it will also be a useful resource for
> other people to sell their stuff.
>
> The site is: http://www.flogthedogs.com/
> Computer gear (hardware, gadgets and tech books):
> http://www.flogthedogs.com/category/1/
> Some XBox accessories (etc): http://www.flogthedogs.com/category/10/
>
> Built with Python, Django, openstreetmap and a few other open source
> tools. The site itself isn't *yet* open source because (*ahem*) the tests
> are in a terrible state. It's also a young site, so I'm still adding
> features to it - although all the basic functionality (including new user
> registration) works fine. Probably the next step is building a json api so
> that I can add in page sorting and filtering via ajax.
>
> There are some interesting features, like search by distance from a
> postcode, which I hope to write up in some blog posts. Not *terribly*
> useful until there are more items that aren't just in *my* postcode
> (although I do now have six users on the site!).
>
> Anyway, I hope this is of interest and even potentially useful...
>

Nice one, Michael, I can see this being useful!

Best wishes,

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Re: [python-uk] PyCon UK - projector resoultion

[John Pinner]

see http://pyconuk.net/FAQ

Looking forward to your talk!

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On 26 September 2012 13:13, Ross Lawley  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anybody know what the resolution will be for the projector will be?  I
> want to make sure my slides are sized correctly and its good to know early
> if its 800 x 600 :)
>
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[python-uk] All Your Base Conference

[John Wards]

Hello Python people.

I'm the organiser of All Your Base Conf, http://allyourbaseconf.com, a
database conference aimed at developers. It's happening in Oxford on the
23rd of November.

We have the creator of MySQL giving the keynote and have talks from Craig
Kerstiens (Heroku), Brandon Keepers (Github), Lisa Phillips (Twitter),
Brian LeRoux (Phonegap/Adobe) and more. The talks will be covering tech
like MySQL, Postgres, Redis, Cassandra, MongoDB and techniques for dealing
with data etc.

I've created the discount code 'python' which gives £35 off the ticket
making the tickets £90 + VAT.

Feel free to share this discount code around!

Cheers
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Re: [python-uk] Salt Stack meetup drink in London

[John Lee]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Rachid Belaid wrote:


Hello,

I have been in touch with the people behind Salt Stack :
http://saltstack.org/

One of the developers is coming next week to do some training on Salt.

[...]

The usual suspect in this field is puppet.  Puppet has a lot of users, so 
presumably a lot of canned, working configuration components.  So, a 
question for those more clued-in than me about puppet: What problems does 
it leave us with -- through omission or commission -- that Salt Stack 
solves, or might solve?  Problems *other than* not being written in 
Python!


(Like perhaps lots of people, I've worked with in house home-grown 
puppet-like systems, but not puppet itself.)


The github readme focuses more on features than the problems that it 
solves over the status quo, and does not mention puppet, but hints at 
problems in other systems with:


 * covering the whole range from small to large numbers of hosts

 * working with multiple geographical sites

and in the Randall Schwartz interview video, I think these were mentioned:

 * execution time for operations on large numbers of hosts, and where
   the command to run depends on information gathered from those hosts
   rather than from a central database

 * lack of polymorphism across systems (example mentioned was a
   generic "install this package" command in Salt)

 * verbosity of puppet configurations


If you consider being written in Python significant (and I guess I do, to 
some extent) the same question goes for bcfg2, and any other similar tools 
written in Python.  And also for !



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Re: [python-uk] hexagonal Django

[John Lee]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, Jonathan Hartley wrote:

The last few weeks I've been thinking about the architectural pattern known 
as Clean, Onion, Hexagonal, or Ports'n'Adaptors 
<http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/08/13/the-clean-architecture.html> 
(http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/08/13/the-clean-architecture.html). 
I'm curious if many people are applying it in the Django world?


I haven't, yet, but I'm thinking of refactoring a vertical slice of our 
monster Django app into this style, and I'd love to hear if you think it's 
crazy / brilliant / obvious / old-hat, etc.


I have to confess I've only very lightly skimmed the article (which looks 
like it says some sensible things), but that's not going to stop me 
pontificating in over-general terms and posting a video that I liked:


The best programmers I've worked with have a knack to ruthlessly pick the 
simplest possible abstractions to fit the job in hand.  They never stop 
thinking to settle on any one-size-fits-all programming style.  The 
problem with those two statements I just made is that everybody can read 
them and think that they agree with them.  What *I* mean by simple is 
close to what Rich Hickey means in the first part of this talk (though I 
don't know enough to decide what I think about how he goes on to defend 
Clojure and its design principles in those terms):


http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy


(BTW, it's a shame to hear him give security as an example of a separable 
concern, because it isn't one)


The best code, you look at the functionality, then the code, and think 
"where is all the code?" and "how did such simplistic code happen to 
implement exactly what was needed?".  That's different from the "OMG, what 
is all this stuff for" feeling you get from over-engineered or just 
badly-factored code.  The best code is easy to change in the sense that 
changes in functionality require commensurate coding effort, and it's 
clear what code would have to change.  But it is also hard to change, in 
the sense that any change that leaves the behaviour the same would clearly 
make it worse -- including adding or removing abstraction.


I'd agree with Andy that not fighting too many battles with your framework 
has a lot to be said for it (and that it's maybe more important to nail 
basic coding practices of the kind you'd find in Code Complete than to 
take even a single step away from what the django tutorial tells you to 
do).  But even short programs can gain simplicity from ignoring the 
framework or abstracting it a little, where it suits the problem, as it 
often does.



John
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Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

[John Lee]

I won't argue with your logic, but if a group of people use "energetic" to 
mean "young", then that's what it means to them (in some context).  I 
think "energetic" has been a known as a standard job-ad euphemism for some 
time.  Whether it has actually been used widely in that way, I don't know 
-- but there are certainly plenty of people who know that euphemism.


It'd be interesting to see some empirical data on what the effect of this 
kind of thing has been.



John

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Rod Hyde wrote:


Surely it is ageism to imply that energetic implies ageism? In other words,
if a person thinks that energetic implies ageism, then that person has a
preconceived idea of a relationship between energy levels and age,
otherwise they would not have considered such a rule in the first place.

--- Rod




On 11 December 2012 11:48, Andy Robinson  wrote:


On 11 December 2012 11:45, Matt Hamilton  wrote:

We just submitted a job ad to a University placement scheme site and

there was a whole load of info there about what you can and can't say. e.g.
you couldn't ask for someone 'energetic' as it implied ageism. *facepalm* I
remember a while back someone from aUniversity IT dept looking at me in
horror at our job advert. They said they had to ask *exactly* the same
questions of each candidate regardless of how the candidate answered or
whether relevant or not. Seemed to me impossible to actually assess
someone's ability or suitability if they were that strict.




Brilliant.  I wonder if the same rules apply to students and academics
they interview?
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Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[John Lee]

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
[...]

Nobody has proposed replacing the mailing list, or changing it in any way.


I don't object (I don't approve either), but: It doesn't change the 
mailing list in the same sense that Tescos opening opposite your local 
corner shop doesn't change the corner shop.  No, not in any way ;-P


(I like Tescos, by the way :-)


Somebody just started a G+ community as well, and thought you all might like 
to know.


I appreciate the info, thanks.


John
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Re: [python-uk] The perils of reply-to

[John Pinner]

On 3 January 2013 11:40, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> As a list admin I supposed I ought to ask this again.
>
> Currently the emails are set to 'reply to the list' by default.   It
> used to be 'reply to sender' but too many people found they were doing
> just that and cutting off conversations, so a few years ago there was
> a general vote to change it.
>
> In the light of this morning's, er, entertainment, are the Python
> developers on this list (well, all but one of them...) happy with the
> way it currently works?
>

Yes.

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[python-uk] [OT] about ubuntu and secure boot

[John Lenton]

Hi!

Somebody in team 2 in the dojo had a notebook that was booting windows 8
and running ubuntu in a vm because they didn't want to be guinea pigs for
secure boot on ubuntu. Sorry that I'm so terrible with names I can't
remember who it was. Anyway, I thought you could use this that recently
came up in an internal list here at Canonical:

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Steve Langasek <
steve.langa...@canonical.com> wrote:
> Quite a bit of work went into ensuring that 12.10 would boot out of the
box
> with Secure Boot enabled with no problems; and 12.04 before that should
> already support booting and installing under UEFI.  The Secure Boot work
is
> also being backported for inclusion in the 12.04.2 point release, so if
> you're running into issues with it, we definitely would like to know.
> Please file a bug report against the shim package about any issues booting
> 12.10 on secureboot-enabled systems.
>
> Note that Secure Boot - and UEFI generally - is only enabled on the amd64
> images, *not* on the i386 images; so if you were using the i386 image,
that
> would also explain why you weren't able to use it.

(quoted with permission :-) )

So, 12.10 should have you safely outside of guinea pig territory already.
If you need the LTS, wait for 12.04.2 (2013-01-31).

HTH,

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Re: [python-uk] [OT] about ubuntu and secure boot

[John Lenton]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:36 PM, John Lenton  wrote:

> So, 12.10 should have you safely outside of guinea pig territory already.
> If you need the LTS, wait for 12.04.2 (2013-01-31).
>
>
um, that just got bumped to 2013-02-14 :-|

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Re: [python-uk] Packaging advice for ujson / rpm / RHEL5

[John Pinner]

Hi,

On 28 January 2013 09:01, Nicholas H.Tollervey  wrote:

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> I need to build an RPM of ujson for RHEL5 targeting Python2.6. This
> will be deployed on "front end" boxes that do not have a compiler
> installed (hence I can't just pip install the damn thing).
>
> All the RHEL5 machines have Python 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 installed with the
> default being 2.4 (what you get from /usr/bin/python).
>
> If I run setup in the root of the ujson project like this:
>
> $ python2.6 setup.py bdist_rpm
>
> I notice from the output from GCC that the script has the -fPIC flag
> reference /usr/include/python2.4
>
> :-(
>
> Obviously, compilation is being done against the wrong version of Python.
>
> Anyone know how to pass in or force the version to Python 2.6?
>

Two possibilities occur to me:

1. You can build your rpm on some other version of Linux running python 2.6
(I build our payroll rpms on Debian, they run OK on RHEL and SUSE).

2. On most systems, 'python' lives in /usr/bin and is a symbolic link to
the actual version of python, eg python2.6. So in usr/bin you may find
'python2.4', 'python2.5', 'python 2.6' and even 'python3.3', with 'python'
being linked to the default.

So by changing the link, you change the version. You could for example

ln -s /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/local/bin/python

which, provided that /usr/.local/bin is in the search path before /usr/bin,
cause invocations of 'python' to run python2.6. However, python
programs/modules which have a hashbang line #!/usr/bin/env python will run
with 2.6 OK whereas those which have #!/usr/bin/python will continue to use
the old default, which is possibly the cause of your problem anyway.

So, running as root:

cd /usr/bin
rm python
ln -s python2.6 python

should enable you to build your rpm for python 2.6

BUT could affect other users adversely, so you would need to do your work
while the system is quiescent and reverse the change afterwards.

Using these old 'enterprise' systems is like working with your hands tied
behind your back : in the Red Hat world, you may be better off developing
on Fedora while targetting RHEL, but not as well off as changing (and
getting your customer to change) to Debian, although I guess that that is a
lost cause for any customer who has chosen an 'enterprise' system in the
first place.

Best wishes,

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Re: [python-uk] Packaging advice for ujson / rpm / RHEL5

[John Pinner]

Hi,

On 28 January 2013 10:39,  wrote:

> Opensuse provides a nice build service for open source projects:
> https://build.opensuse.org/
>
> They provide a CI (continuous integration) support for all the
> "enterprise" stuff
> distro.
>

It's worth mentioning that this is *not* confined to SUSE projects.

John
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>
> I maintain an /opt based python of latest mercurial code and it is
> particularly
> effective.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
> > Using these old enterprise systems is like working with your hands
> > tied behind your back : in the Red Hat world, you may be better off
> > developing on Fedora while targetting RHEL, but not as well off as
> > changing (and getting your customer to change) to Debian, although I
> > guess that that is a lost cause for any customer who has chosen an
> > enterprise system in the first place.
>
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Re: [python-uk] Python Trademark at Risk in Europe

[John Lee]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Tim Golden wrote:


For those who don't follow other channels.

http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html

tl;dr - the PSF, to defend the use of "Python" in Europe, needs testimony and 
documentation to demonstrate that, for as long as possible, "Python" has 
meant the Python language in order to contest a commercial trademark 
application.


...particularly short letters from businesses, including businesses 
outside of the UK (the latter according to this HN comment from someone 
who claims to be a lawyer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5221407).


Why is there no "throw it out as absurd within 10 minutes" process to save 
everybody the expense and hassle?  Including the company making the 
application.  Are trademark as messed up as patents?



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Re: [python-uk] Python Trademark at Risk in Europe

[John Lee]

I imagine Andy may have some, because his company produced those 
conference programmes, IIRC :-)



John

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Duncan Booth wrote:


I've posted about this on the ACCU mailing list asking if anyone has old
conference programmes etc. they can send to the PSF. I need to see if I can
find the appropriate person at work to write a letter.
Duncan


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Andy Robinson  wrote:


G!!

I'll attempt to muster all my righteous indignation and write a letter
this weekend - also happy to contribute some money for lawyers.  If
anyone needs a 'Mr. Angry' to go and testify anywhere I would be happy
to.

Just a thought - surely the long track record of EuroPython
conferences must count for a lot within the EU?

I can probably work in the following...
- first person organising Python community technical meetings in
London, back to 1996
- (co) author of a book with Python in the title in 2000 - OK, it was
published by O'Reilly but it was promoted and on sale here
- first company based entirely on Python software, 2000 onwards,
evangelising the use of the language in UK etc etc
- 'chaired' UK Python Conference (albeit as a track somewhat under the
radar within the ACCU, but I can downplay) for about 5 years from 2002
onwards

Andy Robinson
ReportLab
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[python-uk] CI and deployment (was Re: Suggestions / best practices for deployment)

[John Lee]

Speaking of CI and deployment -- Does anybody know of an open source 
implementation of the idea described in this blog post?  Maybe somebody 
has one and could open-source it?


http://googletesting.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/testing-at-speed-and-scale-of-google.html


We're not all google, but overkill nicely implemented is sometimes just 
convenient and powerful.


In fact, contrary to what you might expect, I think some environments 
where development is smaller scale need this more than some "big product" 
development does: for example, companies that might do web app development 
for multiple clients, where you have a fair amount of code you reuse and 
multiple pieces of work going on at the same time.  In that situation -- 
unlike a big monolithic product -- you might want to keep some flexibility 
about which versions of code projects work together so that old apps can 
easily take advantage of new code when needed.  This seems like a good way 
to test that your dependency declarations correspond to reality, and of 
course to detect that a change to code project A has broken code project B 
earlier rather than later (even though production is pinned to old 
releases, you probably want to find out about the breakage early because 
it might get picked up later on in production).


VMs and deployment remind me of this because I think I recall a certain 
ex-colleague, as part of a scheme like this, wanting to build VMs to check 
whether system build inputs have changed.  Something like that...


Also, one "overkill" use I have in mind involves testing against fakes, 
when your application depends on some "heavy" systems that are slow and 
flaky to build and run -- probably built as a VM or a set of VMS.  The 
tests for the heavy system would depend on both the real system and the 
fake, and tests of applications would depend on the fake.  When the real 
system changes, the VMs get rebuilt and both the fake and the real thing 
automatically get retested.  If any of those tests fail and somebody fixes 
the fake to match reality, the application tests get automatically re-run 
against the fixed fake.



John

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Stestagg wrote:


To add a slightly different angle to this, whatever deployment solution you
use, make sure it is fully automated, and then hook it into you CI system.

Deployment, disaster recovery etc. are made so much simpler if you're
thinking about it from the start rather than just before release.  One way
to enforce this is to start running the process regularly.

My personal preference for this is to use snapshotted virtualbox VMs to
deploy the service/app to a clean OS install, and the run the tests, after
every commit (or on a schedule).  This way, you always know what
dependencies you need, and you're forced to make things as seamless as
possible.

The same goes for testing upgrades.  Set up a VM with version X and set up
a job to:  Upgrade > Test > Check > Rollback regularly.

Thanks

Steve




On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Muhammad Rahman <
muhammad.rah...@tangentlabs.co.uk> wrote:


 Hi Harry,

I would use salt(http://docs.saltstack.com/index.html) for provisioning
and keep the python specific package to fabric to deploy using pip.

Even though salt is able to deploy pip requirements but I think this
separation is important.

Mustafiz.


On 15/05/2013 11:34, George Hickman wrote:

 Hi Harry,

 I use two methods for deployment - Heroku and Ubuntu VPSs.

 Heroku is really simple to get going but gets expensive if you want to
run a serious production app. However it's probably what I'd recommend for
beginners since so much is done for you and they have first class python
support.

 For VPS deploys I use Nginx, Daemontools (for the envdir package),
Supervisor, Gunicorn and Postgres (with Django). I usually deploy this
setup with a mixture of Salt to build the VPS and Fabric to deploy the code.

 George


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Harry Percival 
wrote:



 Dear UK Python chums,

 some of you probably know I'm writing a book about TDD for O'Reilly.
I'm looking for some help with the (first) chapter on deployment.

http://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/what-to-say-about-deployment.html

 What do you use for deployment?  Do you have any kind of automated
scripts? How do you manage virtualenvs, the database, apache/uwsgi
config... What do you think might work as a sort of "best practice lite"
for a simple site for beginners?  (django, sqlite database, static files)

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[John Lee]

On Sat, 18 May 2013, Antonio Cavallo wrote:

I don't know any scenario like that: usually dependencies are frozen 
(and tested) separately in a "release". It makes the whole process 
simpler.


I guess you missed this part?

[john wrote:]

(even though production is pinned to old releases, you probably
want to find out about the breakage early because it might get picked up 
later on in production)



Possibly they wanted to test how far they can push TDD, to be able to do 
testing on the entire code (apps + libraries) using the development 
branch (all commits done on it), api changes in the clients breaking the 
servers…


This is for integration testing, yes.  I don't think TDD is relevant, 
because their system is useful regardless of whether you do TDD.  The 
claimed innovation is not that they invented automated integration testing 
(!), but that they only rebuild modules where needed, so that faults are 
picked up sooner.  I haven't seen open source code that makes it easy to 
do that, and I would likely use an open source project that did, because I 
have specific uses for it (which I briefly described in my post).



I hope you won't find *any* CI doing that: that'd be very "code 
specific" nothing that a CI should be aware of :D


Sorry, I probably don't understand this.  Do you mean that CI should not 
be used for integration testing (and perhaps also that it shouldn't be 
used for testing deployment processes)?  Why is that?  I've found it 
useful for both of those things.  Deployment is something that can go 
wrong, so it is useful to test it -- especially when it gets complicated. 
I have even seen CI used for testing upgrade of specific databases and 
associated configuration code, and that was also useful.



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Re: [python-uk] Suggestions / best practices for deployment

[John Lee]

On Mon, 20 May 2013, MikedePlume wrote:


I must say, I'd love to see something about testing bash scripts, and,


Something like this:

child = subprocess.Popen(["find", deploy_root, "-name", "*.sh"])
out, err = child.communicate()
bad = out.splitlines()
self.assertEqual(len(bad), 0)


;-)


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[John Lee]

On Mon, 20 May 2013, Andy Robinson wrote:


be run in a live web app.  For example, for an online purchase
process, you might have a selenium test which steps right through a
purchase using a known "only for tests" account or credit card number.

[...]

I don't know what this kind of testing is called though ;-)


Expensive?-)


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Re: [python-uk] PyConUK tickets?

[John Pinner]

On 4 July 2013 15:00, Nicholas H.Tollervey  wrote:

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> > there appear to be early bird tickets for sale already, but I don't
> > remember seeing any announcements. Can I go in and book? Or is it
> > just a placeholder for now?
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> It's a test. Should probably have a "coming soon" image somewhere, but
> (shh) you can book your tickets... ;-)
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No, it's live.

Although the website still needs some js work...

When that and the video are done, we'll announce.

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