[python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Jonathan Hartley]

Can I suggest we move this discussion to python-uk, so it will be seen 
by those who will actually be affected? I have accordingly cross-posted, 
my apologies. Perhaps subsequent replies could remove 'pyconuk' from the 
distribution?


For those new to the fray, the topic is the creation of the new 
python-uk Google+ "community" page, and whether it is a good thing, or 
might fragment the python-uk mailing list community.


My actual comment is inline below.

Jonathan


On 10/12/2012 17:15, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:

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Hi,

On 10/12/12 15:10, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:

Hi Tim/All,

My intention is to have a point of presence for the uk python
community outside of organizing the UK PyCon. As you have pointed
out that outside of conference organization, there is not much of
UK python going on. By creating the community page I hope that we
can keep this list more pure towards UK PyCon's and move the
'noise' (as far as there was any) towards the community page. Of
course I will try to bridge anything interesting from the list
towards the community page, but the community page is just that and
the mailing list for the pycon uk is also just that :-) I find
using google+ communities rather easy and perhaps it for others
less of a hurdle too. I hope that  we can create a better
representation of the UK Python Developers via this.

As alwyas I am open for any suggestions.


The python-uk mailing list serves us well. The suggestion of a G+
locations feels like a bad idea since it's duplication of something
that already does a fine job and causes fragmentation.

While not the world's most active list, there are at least three user
groups (London Python Dojo, Campug and Reading Dojo) who post every
month with traffic from elsewhere (Sheffield???) and the odd job
announcement.

Obviously, *this* (pyconuk) list only ever gets active around, er,
PyconUK.

If you want something more immediate and real-time there's also the
python-uk channel on freenode IRC.

N.


While I understand the many objections due to fragmentation and 
accessibility (and it's just the sort of curmudgeonly viewpoint I might 
normally espouse myself) they ought to be balanced against the empirical 
observation that traffic to the python-uk list is very light, while 
Martin and other's posts to the new G+ 'community' in the last few days 
seem to substantially outweigh it.


This might just be because the G+ community is novel and is seeing 
sign-up traffic that will quickly ebb, or maybe it's because it's hip 
and accessible to a more thrilling and vibrant crowd. Regardless, I 
think it's showing promising signs of life, and while I might personally 
prefer the safe and familiar environment of the monospaced mailing list, 
I have to grant that the content is ultimately the point, not the 
medium. Martin might just have started something wonderful, and I think 
should be encouraged to nurture it, and see what transpires.


Cheers,

Jonathan


Cheers,

Martin



On 10 December 2012 14:50, Tim Golden mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:

On 10/12/2012 14:32, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:

Hi All,

I now that I have been absent for a number of years on this list,
but now after changing jobs (well I am in the middle of it
again),

changing

homes and being a daddy (still am) I have come to a point where I
can get more actively involved again.

Since google lately communities introduced , I have started the
Python-UK one, however I hope that I can involve some members on
this list too, especially in the event of conflicts of
moderation.

I know that some members do not think too highly about the
omnipresent of google, however I do think it is nicely
implemented and can

give good

reach out to the community.

I am... ambivalent on the subject of Google Plus. Could you,
perhaps, outline what you think it brings to the party? The
immediately obvious downside is that it becomes yet another place
to keep track of if you want to know what's going on. (Not that an
awful lot does go on the Python UK community :) ).

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[python-uk] Django pub meetup tomorrow

[Kevin Campbell]

In case anyone here's interested, the London Django meetup group is having
some Christmas drinks tomorrow. No talks or formal agenda, just a pub
meetup.

Location: The Shooting Star, 125-129 Middlesex Street. London. E1 7JF
Time: 6pm onwards

We have a few tables booked at the front, hopefully we'll be easy to find.

More details at: http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Django-Meetup-Group/
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Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Kevin Campbell]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jonathan Hartley wrote:

> Can I suggest we move this discussion to python-uk, so it will be seen by
> those who will actually be affected? I have accordingly cross-posted, my
> apologies. Perhaps subsequent replies could remove 'pyconuk' from the
> distribution?
>
> For those new to the fray, the topic is the creation of the new python-uk
> Google+ "community" page, and whether it is a good thing, or might fragment
> the python-uk mailing list community.
>
> My actual comment is inline below.
>

I'd assume there's room for both. This mailing list is very quiet, and it
seems the general view is it's more of an announcements list than a
discussion group. That might not be the intent, certainly. Maybe this gets
a way to have more discussion without filling python-uk with list noise.

K
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Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Tony Ibbs]

Hmm. Don't forget that some of us *can't* use google plus, because it won't let 
us use our normal online names (I've been TIbs online since before there was 
such a thing, but that's not good enough for google plus). I'm sure I'm not the 
only one. That shouldn't matter to anyone on this list, of course (my problem, 
etc.), but it needs to be considered if the aim is to *broaden* the community. 
And there are other concerns with all of the social networking sites (google 
plus, facebook, etc.).

Google groups, of course, just (at the moment) need a  valid email address to 
post to them - if you really want something from google, does that provide a 
half-way house? (I've no idea if you can gateway google groups and google plus 
in some transparent manner).

Tibs
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Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Jon Ribbens]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 05:49:10PM +, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
> Can I suggest we move this discussion to python-uk, so it will be seen  
> by those who will actually be affected? I have accordingly cross-posted,  
> my apologies. Perhaps subsequent replies could remove 'pyconuk' from the  
> distribution?
>
> For those new to the fray, the topic is the creation of the new  
> python-uk Google+ "community" page, and whether it is a good thing, or  
> might fragment the python-uk mailing list community.

Might've been a good idea to let us know where this community actually
is ;-) I think it's here:
https://plus.google.com/communities/109155400666012015869
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Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Jon Ribbens]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 08:02:30PM +, Tony Ibbs wrote:
> Hmm. Don't forget that some of us *can't* use google plus, because
> it won't let us use our normal online names (I've been TIbs online
> since before there was such a thing, but that's not good enough for
> google plus).

In theory that's allowed on Google Plus these days.
http://support.google.com/plus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1228271
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Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

[Duncan Booth]

Surely that's more of a "won't" than a "can't"? Your post to this list has
both names clearly displayed and Google+ would let you do the same albeit
by marking your usual name as a nickname and it would appear in parentheses
exactly as it does on your Facebook profile.

I do agree though that there are many people who simply don't want to give
all their personal data to such sites, and that has to be kept in mind when
suggesting we all decamp from a mailing list to a community: I use both
Facebook and Google, but I avoid giving FB more information than I have to
to get what I want from them. With Google I give them a lot more
information because they give me a lot of benefits in return (Google Now
for example). I also believe (perhaps wrongly) that Facebook makes money
from selling my information to third parties whereas Google makes money by
keeping my information to themselves. Other people I know refuse to use
Google+ or refuse to use Facebook (possibly some use neither but I probably
don't see them online much).

Duncan


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Tony Ibbs  wrote:

> Hmm. Don't forget that some of us *can't* use google plus, because it
> won't let us use our normal online names (I've been TIbs online since
> before there was such a thing, but that's not good enough for google plus).
> I'm sure I'm not the only one. That shouldn't matter to anyone on this
> list, of course (my problem, etc.), but it needs to be considered if the
> aim is to *broaden* the community. And there are other concerns with all of
> the social networking sites (google plus, facebook, etc.).
>
> Google groups, of course, just (at the moment) need a  valid email address
> to post to them - if you really want something from google, does that
> provide a half-way house? (I've no idea if you can gateway google groups
> and google plus in some transparent manner).
>
> Tibs
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