[dead thread] Re: What is Install-Paths-To in WHEEL file?

[Ethan Furman via Python-list]

This thread is no longer being useful, and is now closed.

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CoC Warning [was: What is Install-Paths-To in WHEEL file?]

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On 12/29/23 05:02, Left Right via Python-list wrote:


Wow. That place turned out to be the toxic pit I didn't expect.

It's a shame that a public discussion of public goods was entrusted to
a bunch of gatekeepers with no sense of responsibility for the thing
they keep the keys to.


Personal attacks are not welcome nor tolerated.  Please be constructive when 
engaging with the community.

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Re: Can u help me?

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On 3/5/24 16:06, Chano Fucks via Python-list wrote:


[image: image.png]


The image is of MS-Windows with the python installation window of "Repair Successful".  Hopefully somebody better at 
explaining that problem can take it from here...


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Re: Can u help me?

[Ethan Furman via Python-list]

On 3/5/24 16:49, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-03-06 00:24, Ethan Furman via Python-list wrote:
>> On 3/5/24 16:06, Chano Fucks via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> The image is of MS-Windows with the python installation window of "Repair 
Successful".  Hopefully somebody better at
>> explaining that problem can take it from here...
>>
> If the repair was successful, what's the problem?

I imagine the issue is trying get Python to run (as I recall, the python icon on the MS-Windows desktop is the 
installer, not Python itself).

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Re: Variable scope inside and outside functions - global statement being overridden by assignation unless preceded by reference

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On 3/6/24 08:28, Jacob Kruger via Python-list wrote:

> C:\temp\py_try>python
> Python 3.11.7 (tags/v3.11.7:fa7a6f2, Dec  4 2023, 19:24:49) [MSC v.1937 64 
bit (AMD64)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>  >>> from scoping2 import *

And it becomes clear:  only do `from ... import *` when the module has been 
specifically designed to support that.

If you were to also do `import scoping2` and, after calling `do_it()`, `print(scoping2.dt_expiry)`, you would see that 
it had changed.


I know there are good explanations for how variables and names work in Python, but I couldn't find any at the moment. 
Sorry.


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Re: Already Subscribed and Confirmed, But ....

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On 4/3/24 07:15, WordWeaver Evangelist via Python-list wrote:

> Hello. I already subscribed to this list several days ago. In fact, I did it 
two times, and
> I received the email with the confirmation link in it, which I clicked on and 
was confirmed.
>
> Despite this fact, each time that I try to post a message to the list. I get 
a response from
> the python bot stating that I need to register before I can post to the list. 
As I said, I
> already did that, and I was  confirmed. I still have the email here.

Well, this post made it through fine.

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Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

[Ethan Furman via Python-list]

Hey, everyone!

I believe the original question has been answered, and tempers seem to be flaring in sub-threads, so let's call this 
thread done and move on to other interesting topics.


Thank you for your support!

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Re: bring back nntp library to python3

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On 8/14/24 13:14, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:

> The rationale for removing nntplib and other modules from the default
> installation is explained in PEP 0594 .
>
> """
> The nntplib tests have been the cause of additional work in the recent
> past. Python only contains the client side of NNTP, so the tests connect
> to external news servers. The servers are sometimes unavailable, too
> slow, or do not work correctly over IPv6. The situation causes flaky
> test runs on buildbots.
> """

Sounds like we need somebody to write an NNTP server for the stdlib!  :-)

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Re: troglodytes

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On 8/14/24 15:19, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
>On 8/14/24 13:26, geodandw via Python-list wrote:

>> Why do you have to belittle other people?

> Who says I have to? I like to! I like to see people driven by all
> sorts of low and reprehensible motives being punished for it. I don't
> know if I need to explain this motivation further. I think it's a very
> natural feeling. Human nature if you will. The primordial sense of
> justice, that was later developed into a bunch of different theories
> of how justice might work.

It is not necessary to belittle in order to enjoy justice.

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Re: bring back nntp library to python3

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On 8/14/24 15:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote:

> I think the right word for this is "delusional". But people get
> offended when other people use the right words. Instead they want a
> grotesque round-about way of saying the same thing...
>
> So, the grotesque round-about way of saying this, if you are still
> reading that is... Even if pip, setuptools and friends worked well
> (which they don't) there are big problems that these tools cannot
> solve:
>
> * Network partition
> * Version mismatch
> * Competition between different installer tools
> * Increased requirement for vetting and validation
> * Shortening shelf life of existing projects
>
> But hey, this is just letting off steam.

No need to hit  if you're just venting.


> Nobody cares.

Yeah, people do.

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Re: bring back nntp library to python3

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On 8/14/24 15:56, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:

> Lots of people care but the ability to influence these
> decisions seems to have been removed far from the
> general python user community. Python has moved from
> the BDFL/Bazaar to the Committee/Cathedral. Probably
> an inevitable consequence of its current "popularity".

The move came because of the vitriol directed at the BDFL (and others) with every major (and sometimes minor) change to 
Python.


Every action has consequences, and in this case the consequence was that we are 
now run by committee.

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Re: ListAdmin: Is list/archive working correctly?

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On 8/30/24 15:28, dn via Python-list wrote:

> The OP was @Gilmeh Serda (from an invalid email address). That appears in the 
email thread
>
> @Stefan Ram has had two contributions quoted, but no such original-message 
has appeared in the thread.

I can't speak about the archives, but I can say that Stefan's posts are discarded automatically since they are opposed 
to their words showing up on the list.


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Re: Help with Streaming and Chunk Processing for Large JSON Data (60 GB) from Kenna API

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This thread is derailing.

Please consider it closed.

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Re: FileNotFoundError thrown due to file name in file, rather than file itself

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On 11/13/24 23:03, Left Right via Python-list wrote:

>> On any Unix system this is untrue.  Rotating a log file is quite simple:
>
> I realized I posted this without cc'ing the list:
> http://jdebp.info/FGA/do-not-use-logrotate.html .
>
> The link above gives a more detailed description of why log rotation
> on the Unix system is not only not simple, but is, in fact,
> unreliable.

Having read the linked article, I see it is not relevant to Python, as Python's 
logging tool is
the writer/rotator program, thus no window for lost entries exists.

> NB. Also, it really rubs me the wrong way when the word "standard" is
> used to mean "common" (instead of "as described in a standard
> document").

Yes, that is irritating.

>  And when it comes to popular tools, oftentimes "common"
> is wrong because commonly the tool is used by amateurs rather than
> experts.  In other words, you only reinforced what I wrote initially:
> plenty of application developers don't know how to do logging well.
> It also appears that they would lecture infra / ops people on how to
> do something that they aren't experts on, while the latter are :)

Well, since this is a Python list, perhaps you could make sure your advice is also Python appropriate.  I appreciate 
diversions into general areas and learning new things, but your general claims were untrue when it comes to Python 
specifically, and that was unclear until I read your linked post.


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Re: backslash in triple quoted string

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Chris and Oleg (sp?), please control your tempers; your latter posts added 
nothing useful to the conversation.

(Apologies for the late reply, I was out of town.)

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