Re: [PLUG][was RPM files dont ... ]rant
> > I must point out a difference here. It is not RTFM > > and get lost here. When one > > is told to RTFM, it is with a pointer. > > WHAT IS RTFM aAnyways ? STFW try http://adotout.net/abhijit/wiki -- BAIN http://abhijit.adotout.net -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] RPM files dont get installed
> > Isnt microsoft one of the primary reasons why Linux > > is so popular? > > Ya, it the hatrate towards, why ? because no one like > to be dictated of what to use and not, not even Linux > has the right to dictate, Its all about what majority demands. WEll of course not I don't hate microsoft, at it certainly isn't the reason why i use linux. I use linux because it gives me a chance to do something with my hardware that other offering don't. e.g. forwarding my mails to my cell phone by embedding them into sender address or notifying me when my laptop battery is low and then automagically sending all mails, sync all the disks, park the harddisk head, send an sms on my mobile and cleanly hibernate just before breakdown if i don't take any action. (this is way different than how its handled in windows) or should i tell you about how i am modifying my kernel right now to take a snapshot of the system just after startup and use it to boot later on should bring down boot times to mere single digit seconds... I understand you are quite incapable of using linux the way i am using it right now. but with that attitude of yours you will never learn.. and you will miss on all the functionality your hardware worth 2 is capable of providing you. -- BAIN http://abhijit.adotout.net -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] % cpu usage calculations ?
On Tuesday 05 Jul 2005 12:19 pm, Yogesh1 Talekar wrote: hi, Hope this may help. Have a look at /proc/stat Find user(Tu),nice(Tn),sys(Ts) and ideal(Ti) usage in jiffies for some small time duration(T in jiffies). %usage Total = (Tu+Tn+Ts+Ti)*100 / T Same should be true for each process /proc/PID/stat which ps uses. Warm Regards > Hello all, > > Is there anyway to calculate %CPU usage from /proc/stat file's contents? > Somehow, 'top' on my machine is broken (and I want to avoid using it as > well !). > > I googled a bit but couldn't get definitive answer. > > Plz advice / help > > Thanks in advance > > --yogesh > > -- > __ > Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) > List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail > Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [OT] Take it offline - Was [PLUG] RPM files dont get installed
> > To the Linux zealots : Having "experienced" Windows > > 3.1 > > does not give you the right to comment about all > > Windows. > > The truth is OUT THERE. > > > To the Windows zealots : Having one bad experience > > on one > > ditro doesnt mean that all other Linuxes are the > > same. > > ONE ? I am appalled... YOu have tons and tons and tons of complaints and even more suggestions, but i don't see any statement being made about what you did about it if you are so frustrated it wasn't difficult to compile a list of solutions from the plug archives. I mean the way you are presenting it, i guess you are facing same kind of thing over and over and over and you still haven't done anything about it except wait and see if somebody just will invent a magic stick for your specific needs. This attitude is not going to get you newhere in linux community. Go get yourself gentoo install it completely and get a usable firefox + desktop on it and mail us back. Then when you complete this task you will know what i and many otehres are talking about all this long... We will have some hope left for you then BAIN -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] ubuntu 5.04 hoary intel 915G graphics support..help pls
> Hi, > i installed ubuntu with a custom kernel for alsa sound support.but my > problem is i did not find graphics support in Ubuntu even with Xorg.so > what should i do to get graphics support.help pleaaase! try http://adotout.net/abhijit/wiki -- BAIN http://abhijit.adotout.net -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] modem installation problem
> Hi. > I have Internal conexant softK56, i cant install it and i dont have > driver for it, please some one help me, thnx STFW try http://adotout.net/abhijit/wiki -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] modem installation problem
> I have Internal conexant softK56, i cant install it and i dont have > driver for it, please some one help me, thnx You can get the softmodem driver from www.linuxant.com/drivers/ page and install the driver Sujeevan S2S2 -- Get latest CDs from S2S2: Fedora Core 4, Debian Sarge, Gentoo, Mandriva -- -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] modem installation problem
Saeid Hasan wrote: Hi. I have Internal conexant softK56, i cant install it and i dont have driver for it, please some one help me, thnx a simple search on google will give u details on this common topic - i think linmodems.com should help best of luck -- __ Madhur Kumar Tanwani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph.: 0253-5614792. __ + A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station + is where train stops. On my desk, I have a work station... + What more can I say ! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Suggestion: Linux Kernel & Driver Development
> > HI !! > > > > I am a TE computer engineering student and very much interested in > > driver development under linux. I would like to have some info abt the > Linux device drivers by Jonathan Corbet, Alessandro Rubini is > considered to be the bible for device driver development. The online > http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ I will second that, "UNDERSTANDING linux kernel" is a bit too much to start with, its like reading the part specifications manual for ferrari 2003G in order to learn about internal combustion engines :-D LDD is quite nice and easy to start with, and will teach you lot of usefull things besides programming inside linux kernel Good luck on your venture -- BAIN http://abhijit.adotout.net -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] How to run "dat" files and "mpeg" files
Hi, --- Vicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have RedHat 9.0 installed on my system, > I am not able to play ".dat" and ".mpeg" movies, I use "mplayer" to play .dat and .mpeg files. Install it. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html SK -- proudly anti-micro$oft Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Specsoft (Hexaware Technologies) [E]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [M]: (91) 98407-87007 [W]: http://www.shakthimaan.com [L]: Chennai, India __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] R there any alternatives to RPM
> > > > (first of all, I would say that gentoo portage is the best) > > <_*flame*_> FreeBSD ports are even better. <_*/flame*_> thats like saying that the father is better than a child. By laws of evolution, something will, generally speaking, improve over generations. Thus portage is better. :P sagar -- Sagar Gokhale -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Suggestion: Linux Kernel & Driver Development
Hi, --- Rohan Dighe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am a TE computer engineering student and very much > interested in > driver development under linux. Check these: http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdrive3/ Check my simple device driver examples from: http://www.shakthimaan.com -> Downloads SK -- proudly anti-micro$oft Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Specsoft (Hexaware Technologies) [E]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [M]: (91) 98407-87007 [W]: http://www.shakthimaan.com [L]: Chennai, India __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] wanna use inernet.
Hi, --- sughosh ganu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, >i'm using a P4.i have an internal modem.i want to > use internet on > linux(ver2.4).how do i do it.what r the specific > settings that r required to > b done. Is it a winmodem? Post the output of: /sbin/lspci /sbin/lsmod SK -- proudly anti-micro$oft Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Specsoft (Hexaware Technologies) [E]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [M]: (91) 98407-87007 [W]: http://www.shakthimaan.com [L]: Chennai, India __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] R there any alternatives to RPM
Hi, --- Gurudatta Raut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used it. TO my shock it gave message that it > required 4 more packages. You are to use the package installers for your distro which will take care of dependencies. > I was installing FireFox, Its a shame that now I am > using Firefox on WindowsXP, which got installed in a > breeze. If you are not aware of package installers, why blame the system? > Now my question is , what are the alternatives to > RPM. This is called ... "running away from the problem". Use yum or any other package installer provided by your distro. > I am a VB developer, When we package software we > take > care that all the required files are with the > setup.exe. When you do a GNU/Linux install, you should install al the development tools and kernel sources. If a person doesn't install it, why blame the software? GNU/Linux gives the freedom to compile packages from sources or install from .rpms or using installers from distros. Enjoy the freedom. SK -- proudly anti-micro$oft Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Specsoft (Hexaware Technologies) [E]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [M]: (91) 98407-87007 [W]: http://www.shakthimaan.com [L]: Chennai, India Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] DataOne gets slightly cheaper
FYI BSNL has revised the rates for DataOne: Please see: http://www.bsnl.in/bsnlnews.asp?intnewsid=50603 regards Satish __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] EU Software patent update
Got this on IRC (#bxl-ffii on freenode) - EU Parliament rejects software patents 648 to 14 votes (18 abstentions). Video/audio/transcriptons of voting on wiki.vrijschrift.org/EP050706 -aditya -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] EU Software patent update
> Got this on IRC (#bxl-ffii on freenode) - > > EU Parliament rejects software patents 648 to 14 votes (18 abstentions). > Video/audio/transcriptons of voting on wiki.vrijschrift.org/EP050706 Whoooho -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Beginning Linux Programming
Hi ! This is rohan.. I saw the book Beginning Linux Programming, Wrox. Can anyone tell me what actually this book aim's at ?? Found the review quite confusing. And also could you just suggest a complete book for UNIX ?? I have read unix before a no of times but still not got the perfect book intended for the same. currently i am reading THE UNIX PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT bye BRIAN W. KERNIGHAN & ROB PIKE ! Thank You. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] System call interface
If a function is written in a kernel module (and not hooked to any syscall) and that kernel module is loaded in memory, can user-land programs call that function? Also, does making an entry in the syscall table mean writing an interrupt handler? Thanks in advance -Shri -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] R there any alternatives to RPM
Hi Gurudutta, I would suggest you lookup yum for redhat , and also apt-get from redhat. Even when you have got all the packages in place to install you can use a good tool such as ezrpm. Look it up. Regards, Chaitanya V. Hazarey -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] [Commercial] Fwd: Python developer Requirement to be posted on LUG
Hi Guys, This is an excellect opening for anyone working in Python. The client for which the company is recruiting is 'Elemental Securities', the place where Guido works ! Regards Steve --- Rajesh nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:43:20 +0530 > From: "Rajesh nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: Vinaya Shaju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Python developer Requirement to be posted on LUG > > Steve, > > As discussed with you, here is the brief profile of the requirement we > have.Can you please post it to PLUG and NashLUG? > > Thanks, > -Rajesh Nair > > > > > > Developer Senior/Junior: > > These people will be writing the PYTHON code. They should have strong > > scripting and operating system expertise. Security domain knowledge a > > plus. The senior developer should have experience delivering product on > > a schedule and mentoring junior staff. > > > 5+/3+ years scripting in Python or PERL > > > > Experience administering Windows and Unix/Linux > > 2+ Years experience working in software product delivery > > > > BE/BTech in Computer Science, focused on operating systems, networking or > > security. ME/MTech preferred for senior role. > Please apply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with /*"Python/Perl Developer"*/ as > subject. > > > > > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] RPM files dont get installed
Dude, Guru, you have quite a thread going. Don't normally respond to these rants, but I couldn't stop myself... Why don't you state your specific problem and lets see if we can solve it. I don't think we can fix your attitude and we should not try. If you don't like Linux, that is fine. This is not a religious war. We are all for freedom of choice :) What is the problem that Linux is solving for you? If Windows is solving all your problems and you have a licensed copy to use, no need to switch to Linux. If you have to use Linux for solving a particular problem, stop complaining. You can look at the problem and say this is s**t or you can say, cool there is an opportunity for me to do something different. Your choice. Pluggies are here to help, and I must say they are all doing an excellent job. Keep it up guys! DISCLAIMER: I use both windows and Linux. they both solve different problems for me and I like both. Windoze provides me with bread and butter, working on getting that from Linux so I can make the final switch ;-) :-)abhi >> > To the Linux zealots : Having "experienced" Windows >> > 3.1 >> > does not give you the right to comment about all >> > Windows. >> >> The truth is OUT THERE. >> >> > To the Windows zealots : Having one bad experience >> > on one >> > ditro doesnt mean that all other Linuxes are the >> > same. >> >> ONE ? > > -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Beginning Linux Programming
> And also could you just suggest a complete book for UNIX ?? I have > read unix before a no of times but still not got the perfect book > intended for the same. > I am not sure such a book exists. Try the book by Maurice Bach. It's one of my personal favourites. But I guess that depends on where your interests lie. > currently i am reading THE UNIX PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT bye BRIAN W. > KERNIGHAN & ROB PIKE ! That's a very good book. > Kaustubh -- The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on X interfaces -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] EU Software patent update
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2005 5:09 pm, Aditya Godbole wrote: > Got this on IRC (#bxl-ffii on freenode) - > > EU Parliament rejects software patents 648 to 14 votes (18 abstentions). > Video/audio/transcriptons of voting on wiki.vrijschrift.org/EP050706 > I am impressed. Politicians finally got something right for a change. Kudos! Kaustubh -- Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. -- Mark A. Horton KA4YBR, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] DataOne gets slightly cheaper
On 7/6/05, Sonawane Satish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FYI > BSNL has revised the rates for DataOne: > Please see: > http://www.bsnl.in/bsnlnews.asp?intnewsid=50603 That link's not working for me, got a working one (on the BSNL site)? -- "Thou shalt not follow the null pointer for at it's end madness and chaos lie." -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: rant
| The main problem with | > linux is that it tries to dictate how things should be | > done instead of asking how things are wanted to be | > done. There should be a Linux version completely based | > on majority voting about user interface by the USERS | > instead of Linux OS developers. | > | > - Gurudatta Raut | > Don't you think that you are able to say something over here and maybe in near future someone may try to improve this. Well if you try other propritory OSes, they charge you if you want the things the way you want. And then you are not allowed to modify it even if you are smart enogh to do so. OS Developers use the computers more extensively and they know the issues/problems better than USERS. This doesn't mean that developers should not listen to USERS. Please note, vice-versa also shouldn't be the case. | > | | Thats an interesting statement. How many user interfaces ( I mean | desktop GUI) you know? Compare it to other OS available.. How many GUI | you get there? - Aqua (Mac) - CDE - Gnome - *KDE* ;) Q. Ever wondered the cross(close window button) should be at top-left or top-right? I think UI includes that also. | Linux is all about freedom of choice , freedom of expression. You can | choose whatever you want. | | I suppose you are not aware of Mandrake cooker and how Mandrake | packages are selected. Please go through their website and find out. | Your queries will be answered automatically. http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-rpm/ http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/ Regards, Shantanoo PS: One can serve you food upto your mouth. But from swallowing onwards, you must put your efforts. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: rant
+++ Gurudatta Raut [PLUG] [05-07-05 11:37 -0700]: | | | --- Shridhar Daithankar | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | > I must point out a difference here. It is not RTFM | > and get lost here. When one | > is told to RTFM, it is with a pointer. | | WHAT IS RTFM aAnyways ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM | > Why? Because probably they run into somebody who | > advises them to run Linux. It | > is a soft target. They can't make it work and | > suddenly it is fault of person who | > has advised. Kinda like engineer manager scenario.. | | I still advise to use Mandrake 10.1, ask me about | installations if required. Windows days are numbered. Great. Is it possible to write a guide which can be used by non-technical people for installation of Mandrake 10.1 in different scenarion? Writing skills effectively used :) Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: How to run "dat" files and "mpeg" files
+++ Aditya Godbole [PLUG] [05-07-05 21:26 +0530]: | On 6/30/05, Vicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Hi friends, | > | > I have RedHat 9.0 installed on my system, | > I am not able to play ".dat" and ".mpeg" movies, | > Pls let me know if there are any applications to play these file types, | > and in which CD can i get these packages (I have 7 Cds of Redhat 9.0) | | MPlayer or totem can play these files. '.dat' files can be played if | renamed as '.mpeg' usually. | Check whether rpms are available for RH 9. Else, compile from source. | 'man file'. Tells you the type of the file. | | That is not directly possible. | | > I think one way is to first make Bootable Floppy of Linux, | > | > | | ... and then boot from the floppy and reinstall the bootloader. Or you can use the same installed CD in rescue mode instead of bootable floppy creation. Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: rant
+++ ZYX Rationalist [PLUG] [01-07-05 22:56 -0700]: | | | --- Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | And, although I | > agree that part of | > the purpose of the existence of the list is to help | > newbies ( I refuse | > to use the word n00b), it does get boring sometimes | > to keep on answering | > the same questions again and again. | | Then direct them to that online help, simple ! http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list-rules.php Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: How to run "dat" files and "mpeg" files
+++ Shakthi Kannan [PLUG] [06-07-05 00:31 -0700]: | Hi, | | --- Vicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I have RedHat 9.0 installed on my system, | > I am not able to play ".dat" and ".mpeg" movies, | | I use "mplayer" to play .dat and .mpeg files. Install | it. | | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html xine!!! I like few features of xine which are not yet available for mplayer. Or maybe I can't find them till now. Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: R there any alternatives to RPM
+++ Gurudatta Raut [PLUG] [03-07-05 05:30 -0700]: | Hi, | | Sorry but some good person from PLUG told me to use | | - rpm - ivh Filename.rpm 'rpm -ivh Filename.rpm' | | I used it. TO my shock it gave message that it | required 4 more packages. Packages are generally dynamically linked. If they are compiled staticaly, there wouldn't be such problems, but then space becomes the issue. | | I was installing FireFox, Its a shame that now I am | using Firefox on WindowsXP, which got installed in a | breeze. Same reason. | | Now my question is , what are the alternatives to RPM. | | I am a VB developer, When we package software we take | care that all the required files are with the | setup.exe. Do you know what exactly is 'setup.exe'? Maybe JRE installer for Linux can be considered on similar topology(?). Well do you know about MSI? IIRC, even nullsoft has come up with their own installer. | | So, what is the setup.exe equivalent in LINUX ? | Can you please elaborate more on what do you mean by 'what is the setup.exe equivalent in linux'? - script can be written which will download the source file, compile it locally, do the installation - Just copy the statically linked binaries and start working - use package manager. rpm, urpmi, apt-get, yum, dpkg, emerge, ports(*BSD) Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: rant
+++ Devendra Laulkar [PLUG] [01-07-05 23:17 +0530]: | On Friday 01 Jul 2005 1:46 am, sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: | > | > Somehow, people who just come in and go are not bothered to interact | > more and are not so interested to get into somebody elses problems. | | Or maybe they are interested but find it difficult to interact? Or people are | ticked of because many things are assumed on the list. No coherent set of | rules have still been set up. http://plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/2004-July/012554.html http://plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/2005-May/015254.html How many bothered to check the posted links? | | A very simple thing. Supposedly I write a small reply, and it gets rejected | due to top posting. How is a person new to the list to understand this? By | rejecting his/her messages 2-3 times curtly? I am sure that people will stop | bothering to reply to messages after this. | 50% of time mails send by me get blocked and may or maynot get cleared by moderator. But still I reply whenever possible. Using Internet mail: http://www.lemis.com/email.html | Is this encouraging transitional ( ie those are now stepping out of newbie | state and become somewhat of an expert) or discouraging them? On joining the | list, is a message being sent stating that welcome to the group, these are | the rules and this is how you can post to the group. | | Please do not ask me to google for this(list rules). For googling for it gives | http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list-rules.php | Nice to see that people know that such page exists. The person who wrote the thing would be feeling happy/accomplished. /me hides. | | > I am sorry if this reply sounds rude/harsh. | me too. I am with you :) Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: Plug on IRC
+++ Guntupalli Karunakar [PLUG] [06-07-05 09:52 +0530]: | On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:10:05 +0530 (IST) | "Devendra Laulkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | > Hi all, | > Do Plug members still gather on irc.freenode.net in | > #pluggies ? Besides the once a month meeting and the mailing list, | > #I think this would | > be a good was interact. | > | I am the lonely chap hanging around there during the day!!. | occasionally see sudhanwa or shantanoo . Try the following commands after logging to freenode. 1. /whois shantanoo 2. /msg seensern seen shantanoo Regards, Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: R there any alternatives to RPM
+++ Sagar Gokhale [PLUG] [06-07-05 00:58 -0700]: | > > | > > (first of all, I would say that gentoo portage is the best) | > | > <_*flame*_> FreeBSD ports are even better. <_*/flame*_> | | thats like saying that the father is better | than a child. By laws of evolution, something will, generally | speaking, improve over generations. Thus portage is better. | :P roflol roflol roflol roflol roflol roflol roflol roflol roflol Shantanoo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] System call interface
warning: following content may be highly unreliable. On 7/6/05, Shrinand Javadekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If a function is written in a kernel module (and not hooked to any > syscall) and that kernel module is loaded in memory, can user-land > programs call that function? no. There are only 2 paths into the kernel: either system calls, or interrupts (people may argue that they are infact, the same, but atleast logically, these are the 2 paths). Of this of course, the syscall interface is the only one available to userland. > Also, does making an entry in the syscall table mean writing an > interrupt handler? As far as i know (which ain't a lot), No, it does not... atleast not literally... Adding a system call is a rather drastic measure (or rather, extremely drastic measure). Have you explored other alternatives? (daemons running in kernel mode, and userland processes communicating with them using pipes/sockets, as an example) Sagar -- Sagar Gokhale -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Re: R there any alternatives to RPM
Stop this junk! --- Shantanoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +++ Sagar Gokhale [PLUG] [06-07-05 00:58 -0700]: > | > > > | > > (first of all, I would say that gentoo > portage is the best) > | > > | > <_*flame*_> FreeBSD ports are even better. > <_*/flame*_> > | > | thats like saying that > the father is better > | than a child. By laws of evolution, something > will, generally > | speaking, improve over generations. Thus portage > is better. > | :P > > roflol > roflol roflol > roflol roflol roflol > roflol roflol > roflol > > > Shantanoo > -- > __ > Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: > (plug-mail@plug.org.in) > List Information: > http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail > Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > mailing instructions. > ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] R there any alternatives to RPM
> When you do a GNU/Linux install, you should install > al > the development tools and kernel sources. If a > person > doesn't install it, why blame the software? > > GNU/Linux gives the freedom to compile packages from > sources or install from .rpms or using installers > from > distros. > > Enjoy the freedom. > > SK AAAGG!! STOPS THIS NONSENSE! When I **BUY** a distro from the red hat office located somewhere near rahul theater or from the shop in aundh, dont expected me to compile things!! Tomorrow I find some ***BETTER_THAN_FIREFOX_AND_ALSO_FREE*** browser, I will go to its site and try to install it. In windows its easy, while in *rpm based** linsucks its a dependency hel! ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] DataOne gets slightly cheaper
> On 7/6/05, Sonawane Satish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FYI > > BSNL has revised the rates for DataOne: > > Please see: > > http://www.bsnl.in/bsnlnews.asp?intnewsid=50603 The subject is a _little_ misieading. Only the installation costs have come down by Rs. 100 to Rs. 200, not the prices for the bandwidth. Adi -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] reading kernel source
Hello all, I would like to learn the aspects of kernel by reading the kernel source. But I am confused where to start from. Could you'll let me know where to start off/ which file has the main function? ciao -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] System call interface
> On 7/6/05, Shrinand Javadekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If a function is written in a kernel module (and not hooked to any > > syscall) and that kernel module is loaded in memory, can user-land > > programs call that function? > no. There are only 2 paths into the kernel: either system calls, or > interrupts (people may argue that they are infact, the same, but > atleast logically, these are the 2 paths). Of this of course, the > syscall interface is the only one available to userland. Well technically thats true, but in general kernel exports general purpose syscalls by providing char/bulk/network/socket interfaces (and now a days proc fs interface) which are standard ways to interact with kernel codes. And any kernel coder should be thinking in those terms unless you are adding something like a whole new subsystem that is so wiered that everything is a file approach is not catering to your needs ( i doubt you will ever run into one) Also interrupts can't be of much use to userspace code, as far as direct access to the kernel functions is required. > > Also, does making an entry in the syscall table mean writing an > > interrupt handler? > As far as i know (which ain't a lot), No, it does not... atleast not > literally... No!! Syscall handler is one big interrupt handler which on intel arch handles int80. Based on the stack arguments and regs it determines the sycall number that userspace requested and then selects a function to execute from the syscall table. adding a syscall means adding to this table.. and then exporting right definitions (eg syscall number and its arguments ) to userspace through syscall header files. then ofcourse you will have to write or extend glibc part of the syscall in order to cleanly provide the new functionality to user applications. > > Adding a system call is a rather drastic measure (or rather, extremely > drastic measure). Have you explored other alternatives? (daemons > running in kernel mode, and userland processes communicating with them > using pipes/sockets, as an example) correct syscall is a done deal atleast for now in linux, any new syscall will mean a huge debate and a decade or so of testing in wild before its even considered for inclusion. (well not really, but lkml people make it sound like this to a newbee, so you should get the point) hth BAIN -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] R there any alternatives to RPM
On 7/6/05, Gurudatta Raut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ever tried giving links on apte ? > Ever tried reading the mailing list ettiquettes? Is it that you have only email access and no web access whatsoever? -aditya -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
