[PLUG] Re: Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread Debajit Adhikary
Debajit Adhikary wrote:
> How could I safely remove a USB drive attached on the fly to my Linux system?

umount does work. In fact, there is no error message at all, but the
flash drive still keeps blinking -- and it doesnt seem safe to remove
the drive yet.

I'm running SuSE 9.1, which mounts it under /media

As root
umount /media/usb* 
works

/etc/mtab shows a ubsfs mounted filesystem in /proc/sys/usb

umount /proc/sys/usb
works as well

It's just that the Flash drive still keeps blinking. I would suppose
that that is the default behaviour of a usb drive -- it probably needs
to be "stopped" at a lower hardware level, rather than just
unmounting.

How do you guys handle usb drives in Linux?

(One way I see is to "remove" the usb hardware -- at the sw level --
haven't tried that though)
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[PLUG] usb devices on MDK 10.0

2004-11-03 Thread jayant ogale
HI,
I have my pc installed in a duel boot mode. win xp and
mandrake 10.0
i have following four USB devices.
1] USB printer - HP desk jet 3845
2] USB scanner - HP scan jet 2400
3] USB external modem - D-link DU 560M
4] USB laser printer - CAnnon LBP 3200.
while installing mdk 10.0 all these devices were
attached to the computer and were switched on.
unfortunately none of them configured/installed
automatically.
i tried to install them with MCC, but i could not do
so. System detects it but doesnot install.
please let me know what should be done.
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Re: [PLUG] Re: Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
Debajit Adhikary wrote:
As root
umount /media/usb* 
works
What do you mean works? As in it does not report errors?
/etc/mtab shows a ubsfs mounted filesystem in /proc/sys/usb
umount /proc/sys/usb
works as well
It's just that the Flash drive still keeps blinking. I would suppose
that that is the default behaviour of a usb drive -- it probably needs
to be "stopped" at a lower hardware level, rather than just
unmounting.
The light blinking indicates IO in progress. Unmount flushes all the data. It 
should not return till it is done. After unmount is completed, the light should 
not blink anymore.

How do you guys handle usb drives in Linux?
Unmount. It is lowest level as it could get.
 Shridhar
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Re: [PLUG] Re: Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread James Dominy
Debajit Adhikary wrote:
Debajit Adhikary wrote:
 

How could I safely remove a USB drive attached on the fly to my Linux system?
   

umount does work. In fact, there is no error message at all, but the
flash drive still keeps blinking -- and it doesnt seem safe to remove
the drive yet.
I'm running SuSE 9.1, which mounts it under /media
As root
umount /media/usb* 
works

/etc/mtab shows a ubsfs mounted filesystem in /proc/sys/usb
umount /proc/sys/usb
works as well
It's just that the Flash drive still keeps blinking. I would suppose
that that is the default behaviour of a usb drive -- it probably needs
to be "stopped" at a lower hardware level, rather than just
unmounting.
 

you don't want to unmount the usbfs system, as that is the pseudo-fs 
that controls the USB bus itself.. Theoretically, simply unmounting 
/media/usb* should work, but be aware, that syncing can take some time 
(up to 3 or minutes with a large [i.e. > 128Mb] USB 1.0 disk) and mount 
may not be acting in a synchronous manner. Try the following as root

sync
umount /media/usb*
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Re: [PLUG] usb devices on MDK 10.0

2004-11-03 Thread Devendra Laulkar
On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 2:17 pm, jayant ogale wrote:
> I have my pc installed in a duel boot mode. win xp and
> mandrake 10.0
> i have following four USB devices.
> 1] USB printer - HP desk jet 3845
> 2] USB scanner - HP scan jet 2400
> 3] USB external modem - D-link DU 560M
> 4] USB laser printer - CAnnon LBP 3200.
Hi,
   Please give your configuration esp. your Motherboard.

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[PLUG] Re: Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread Debajit Adhikary
This seems to be a "problem" with only SuSE 9.1:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/5/2004/08/2/179440
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Re: [PLUG] Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread Kaustubh Gadkari
On Tuesday 02 November 2004 03:26 pm, Debajit Adhikary wrote:
> How could I safely remove a USB drive attached on the fly to my Linux
> system?
>
> As of now, I cannot seem to unmount it because it is not listed in
> /etc/fstab (that's the error message I  get).
umount /dev/sda
eject /dev/sda

This is on my Slack 10 box. I also have entry in my /etc/fstab. This is it.
/dev/sda /mnt/pen vfatnoauto,owner 0   0

This can differ from distro to distro.

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Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper threading of messages in Kmail 1.6.2

2004-11-03 Thread Kaustubh Gadkari

>
> And now since I am at it, let me also mention that I
> also noticed people using words like windoze and
> windos
There is an extremely practical reason for doing so. Windoze ( replace ze with 
ws ) is a registered trademark of M$. Which means that everytime I want to 
use that word, I have to ask M$ for permission and pay royalty, which I don't 
really want to do ( and I guess neither does anyone else ). Hence windoze.

Kaustubh

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[PLUG] Re:Guidelines For Posting

2004-11-03 Thread Mukund N Rathi
Mukund
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:58:25 +0530
From: Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper
threading   of messages in Kmail 1.6.2
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Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

And now since I am at it, let me also mention that I
also noticed people using words like windoze and
windos
There is an extremely practical reason for doing so. Windoze ( replace 
ze with
ws ) is a registered trademark of M$. Which means that everytime I 
want to
use that word, I have to ask M$ for permission and pay royalty, which 
I don't
really want to do ( and I guess neither does anyone else ). Hence 
windoze.

Kaustubh
P.S : The same applies to M$
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[PLUG] Re: Guidelines For Po...

2004-11-03 Thread Mukund N Rathi
From: A G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper
threading   of messages in Kmail 1.6.2
To: kapil pendse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pune GNU/Linux Users Group
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Yesterday I tried to burn a movie and audio cd in
suse. But during the burning process, the cd ejects,
aborting the whole burning process.
Did any1 face similar problems? I tried to burn it on
700 MB moeser re-writable cd. The movie was 600 MB (so
no problem of space.)
That's a feature provided by SuSELinux. U try pirating and it will 
never allow u to do so.
That's why I love to use SusELin*x
;)
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Re: [PLUG] Re:Guidelines For Posting

2004-11-03 Thread Kaustubh Gadkari

>
> Oh then what about Mandra*e, Red Topi**, Su$E  ??
>
Fair point. I checked up madrake's license and trademark FAQ. Makes no mention 
about using trademarks, except for any 3rd party software and their 
commercial versions. Any inputs on this would be appreciated, especially 
about how this applies to the GPL. I have read the GPL but don't really 
understand it.

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Re: [PLUG] Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting

2004-11-03 Thread Vishal Rao
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:22:10 -0600, Mr. Dhanvi Kapila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> THINK TWICE BEFORE CALLING NE ONE RETARD.. U JUS MIGHT TURN OUT TO THE
> JOKE.  so sweetheart if u think ur the smart ass of the grp lemme see
> u build an OS that the world uses.. till that time stick to wat u
> know.. else learn from wat other tell u n learn some etiquette before
> u write the next mail.

Well it seems you got offended and are making a big noise about it
like I predicted... Does that make you a retard and offend you further
and create a stack overflow?

And please don't use short forms like 'u' and 'wat' and 'jus' etc. in
your writing its very annoying. (yes I used 'etc' but I think thats OK
isnt it?)

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Re: [PLUG] MDK10.1 official release

2004-11-03 Thread Vishal Rao
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:40:45 +0530, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have people on the list who are members of MandrakeClub. They do have
> immediate access to the CD images currently available only to the members.
> Most likely, I will be asking for booking in the  meeting confirmation mail.

Hey great! Earlier the better! Is the MandrakeClub member version the
same as the 3-CD free 'download' edition or does have anything extra?

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Trademarks - Re: [PLUG] Re:Guidelines For Posting

2004-11-03 Thread A G
 really want to do ( and I guess neither does
> anyone else ). Hence 
> > windoze.
> >
> > Kaustubh
> >
> > P.S : The same applies to M$
> > -- 
> > Besides, I think Slackware sounds better than
> 'Microsoft,' don't you?
> > -- Patrick Volkerding
> 
> 
> Oh then what about Mandra*e, Red Topi**, Su$E  ??

I think only when you try to make money by using the
term windows etc. would you be reqd to pay. I might be
wrong. Pl. correct me if so.





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Burn CD - Re: [PLUG] Re: Guidelines For Po...

2004-11-03 Thread A G
> That's a feature provided by SuSELinux. U try
> pirating and it will 
> never allow u to do so.
> That's why I love to use SusELin*x
> ;)
> Regards
> ~..::Mukund::..~

:)
Nways. my friend has bought a legal CD of hum tum. And
he wants a copy (for personal use) so that the
original one doesnt get scratches.





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Re: [PLUG] Re: Guidelines For Po...

2004-11-03 Thread Sumeet Madhukar Moghe
On Wednesday 03 November 2004 17:14, Mukund N Rathi wrote:
> That's a feature provided by SuSELinux. U try pirating and it will
> never allow u to do so.
> That's why I love to use SusELin*x

Huh!! Is that your idea of a joke, or a new series of bogus propaganda? I wish 
you would check the facts before posting! So help you God!

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[PLUG] Novell blasts Microsoft's campaign

2004-11-03 Thread Sumeet Madhukar Moghe
Novell takes Ballmer's latest "Get the Facts" email to the cleaners ==>
Read 
http://www.novell.com/linux/truth/index.html?sourceidint=homepage_announcement1
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[PLUG] Simple project ideas

2004-11-03 Thread Devendra Laulkar
Hi,
I am looking for simple "implementation" projects.

Basically I want to get ppl. in my college involved. The best way to spread 
the Linux is to make a group and ask them to implement something in Linux.

I have come up with a few ideas. 

 1. Customised Bootable CD. 
 2. Building a Cluster.
 3. Internal Chat Client. (with Jabber?)
 4. Streaming Audio over LAN. 
 5. Internal Mail System. 
 6. Remote access over Internet(of logins i.e. home dirs). 

These may seem damn simple, but the idea is to start small and then move up 
the value chain.  Keep in mind the cool factor. These are not meant to be BE 
projects or anything like that, the target is mostly se and te ppl.

Any more ideas/resources?  I also invite suggestions/criticism  .

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Re: [PLUG] Simple project ideas

2004-11-03 Thread Shantanoo
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:11:02 +0530, Devendra Laulkar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am looking for simple "implementation" projects.
> 
> Basically I want to get ppl. in my college involved. The best way to spread
> the Linux is to make a group and ask them to implement something in Linux.
> 
> I have come up with a few ideas.
> 
>  1. Customised Bootable CD.
>  2. Building a Cluster.

Cluster for what? Its a vast field.

>  3. Internal Chat Client. (with Jabber?)
>  4. Streaming Audio over LAN.
>  5. Internal Mail System.

writing MTA? Our just configuring? Hope its later :)

>  6. Remote access over Internet(of logins i.e. home dirs).

ssh?


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Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper threading of messages in Kmail 1.6.2

2004-11-03 Thread Shantanoo
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:58:25 +0530, Kaustubh Gadkari
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > And now since I am at it, let me also mention that I
> > also noticed people using words like windoze and
> > windos
> There is an extremely practical reason for doing so. Windoze ( replace ze with
> ws ) is a registered trademark of M$. Which means that everytime I want to
> use that word, I have to ask M$ for permission and pay royalty, which I don't
> really want to do ( and I guess neither does anyone else ). Hence windoze.

AFAIK, 'Microsoft Windows' is trademark. My house has 10 windows. I
don't think I need to ask Microsoft when I use it in this context. :D

Regards,
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Re: [PLUG] usb devices on MDK 10.0

2004-11-03 Thread Shantanoo
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:47:22 + (GMT), jayant ogale
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HI,
> I have my pc installed in a duel boot mode. win xp and
> mandrake 10.0
> i have following four USB devices.
> 1] USB printer - HP desk jet 3845
> 2] USB scanner - HP scan jet 2400
> 3] USB external modem - D-link DU 560M
> 4] USB laser printer - CAnnon LBP 3200.
> while installing mdk 10.0 all these devices were
> attached to the computer and were switched on.
> unfortunately none of them configured/installed
> automatically.
> i tried to install them with MCC, but i could not do
> so. System detects it but doesnot install.

Were you able to configure them when attached independently?

Regards,
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Re: [PLUG] Internal Modem detected but........

2004-11-03 Thread Shantanoo
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:40:13 +0530, Agtech Systems
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I think you are not going through my complete mail. I have already stated
> that I am using a internal modem. SO where does the question of switch arise
> ? And although if you have a tone/pulse switch on the phone what difference
> it is going to make to the modem ?

Hmm.

>  
>  Secondly kppp has a modem configuration util where in you can set the
> dialing mode. But I is applicable only if you have the modem installed or
> detected by kppp.  Third, this all is done b'use there is no tone dialing at
> the site and still there are some exchanges in Ahmedabad where pulse dialing
> is there.

I thought:
1. I already told that there is a way to change /dev/modem
2. I thought I was taking about exchanges in Pune.

Wondering:
1. Where does exchanges in Ahmedabad come into picture?
2. Never been to Ahmdabad so am I supposed to know about the status of
exchanges in Ahmedabad.

Or am I mis-interpreting something? Probably no.

<;)>
If it's true that we are here to help others,
then what exactly are the others here for?


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Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper threading of messages in Kmail 1.6.2

2004-11-03 Thread Aditya Godbole
On Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 04:58:25PM +0530 Kaustubh Gadkari wrote...
> 
> >
> > And now since I am at it, let me also mention that I
> > also noticed people using words like windoze and
> > windos
> There is an extremely practical reason for doing so. Windoze ( replace ze with 
> ws ) is a registered trademark of M$. Which means that everytime I want to 
> use that word, I have to ask M$ for permission and pay royalty, which I don't 
> really want to do ( and I guess neither does anyone else ). Hence windoze.

You dont need to pay royalty for using the name at all times. Its only
restricted for commercial use.

Regards,
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Re: Moderators: Guidelines For Posting. Re: [PLUG] Improper threading of messages in Kmail 1.6.2

2004-11-03 Thread Vishal Rao
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:54:56 +0530, Aditya Godbole
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You dont need to pay royalty for using the name at all times. Its only
> restricted for commercial use.

Yes, we can freely curse and make fun of it by using its name
correctly : Microsoft Windows sucks [TM]

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[PLUG] Re: Guidelines For Po...

2004-11-03 Thread Mukund N Rathi

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:34:04 +0530
From: Sumeet Madhukar Moghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Guidelines For Po...
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On Wednesday 03 November 2004 17:14, Mukund N Rathi wrote:
That's a feature provided by SuSELinux. U try pirating and it will
never allow u to do so.
That's why I love to use SusELin*x
Huh!! Is that your idea of a joke, or a new series of bogus 
propaganda? I wish
you would check the facts before posting! So help you God!

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Yes. That was my idea of A Bogus Propaganda!!! :) So What?
I think rather checking the facts I would go for a movie in theater 
avoiding piracy.
Oh 10x cuz I need that help badly.
Thanks a ton.

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Re: [PLUG] Simple project ideas

2004-11-03 Thread Devendra Laulkar
On Thursday 04 Nov 2004 12:54 am, Shantanoo wrote:
> > I have come up with a few ideas.
> >
> >  1. Customised Bootable CD.
> >  2. Building a Cluster.
>
> Cluster for what? Its a vast field.
Good Q. Currently I don't see any practical use for now. Maybe configuring 
some ClusterKnoppix CD's, or BCCD, or OSCAR.  Benchmarking POVRay etc.

> >  3. Internal Chat Client. (with Jabber?)
> >  4. Streaming Audio over LAN.
> >  5. Internal Mail System.
> writing MTA? Our just configuring? Hope its later :)

Configuring of course, as I have already stated "implementation".

> >  6. Remote access over Internet(of logins i.e. home dirs).

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Re: [PLUG] Unmounting and Removing a USB Flash Drive in Linux?

2004-11-03 Thread Debajit Adhikary
Kaustubh Gadkari wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 November 2004 03:26 pm, Debajit Adhikary wrote:
> > How could I safely remove a USB drive attached on the fly to my Linux
> > system?
> >
> > As of now, I cannot seem to unmount it because it is not listed in
> > /etc/fstab (that's the error message I  get).
> umount /dev/sda
> eject /dev/sda

Okie ... finally managed to solve it once and for all ;) (In SuSE 9.1
at least) You can use any of the following ways (as any normal user):
Type any of these in the Run dialog or the command line:

(1) eject sda1
(2) eject sda
(3) eject /media/usb* (replace "/media/usb*" with your mountpoint)

eject is guaranteed to automatically unmount, so an additional unmount
command is not needed.

I find it funny that KDE or even SuSE (which supposedly has the
largest r&d team for a linux distro) did not care enough to include en
"Eject" option for such removable "hard" disks in the right click
menu. (BTW, where do we post feature requests and "wish"es for KDE?
Anyone have the link?). It is in little areas like these that Windows
scores over Linux in usability -- especially for the average user.
Lets see how kde3.3 handles this ...
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Re: [PLUG] Simple project ideas

2004-11-03 Thread A G
> I have come up with a few ideas. 
> 
>  1. Customised Bootable CD. 
>  2. Building a Cluster.
>  3. Internal Chat Client. (with Jabber?)
>  4. Streaming Audio over LAN. 
>  5. Internal Mail System. 
>  6. Remote access over Internet(of logins i.e. home
> dirs). 

These are v. good ideas. I would also suggest that you
talk to the management and implement something of what
they want. e.g. if some office people are using ms
office and ms windows to keep data, then maybe 5%
computers can be converted into linux + OO. This is
cos, I would also like to see an interest building in
linux at the top mgmt level. When they start seeing
the cost savings, I think they would support
officially. Once they start using officially, then you
(the students) will get to know the real time problems
of end users. And I think that is imp. in the long run
for both college as well as the students.
In fact with the official college switch, you can
create a case study. You can approach small
industries/businesses and help them make switch.
Ofcourse these small businesses should pay you
(students) for the knowledge and the help for making
the switch. 'Cos I know a company of maybe 20 people
who use linux, since they cant afford ms windows. (i
mean they can. but why should they pay when they get
it free?)
The students can put these case studies (of college as
well and industry) on their resumes, which will be
helpful in the long run.





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[PLUG] Desktop Linux (Adobe, Red Hat) + Arch Linux Vs Slackware.

2004-11-03 Thread A G
Desktop linux links -->
http://news.com.com/Adobe+dipping+toes+into+desktop+Linux+waters/2100-7344_3-5435397.html
http://news.com.com/Red+Hat+aims+desktop+Linux+at+Microsoft/2100-7344_3-5205117.html?tag=nl

Arch Linux Vs Slackware
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8761





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[PLUG] meeting this sat??

2004-11-03 Thread G[N]Urpreet Singh
hello pluggers...
is there a meeting this saturday?

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[PLUG] The Truth about Linux

2004-11-03 Thread Debajit Adhikary
http://www.novell.com/linux/truth/
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