[opensource-dev] Viewer-development and viewer-beta
Can someone briefly summarize how these two repositories are being used. It looks sort of like they are being kept very much in lock-step, with merges, pushes, and pulls. thanks, ponzu ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer-development and viewer-beta
Hi, On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Ponzu wrote: > Can someone briefly summarize how these two repositories are being used. > It looks sort of like they are being kept very much in lock-step, with > merges, pushes, and pulls. > It's all explained here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Integration_and_Release_Processes#Beta_Repository Right now, things that are committed in viewer-beta are systematically pulled shortly after in viewer-development so that the dev repo contains all fixes + all current (but not QA-ed yet) development. Cheers, - Merov ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
[opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
Files deleted by the SL uninstaller don't appear in the Recycle Bin on my Windows XP system. It seems to me it would be better if they did. Some files deleted by some other programs do appear in the Recycle Bin. In the case that brought this to my attention, it was the uninstaller for the SL Development Viewer and what it deleted was all my chat history, which could have been 7 years of chat history. The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL program files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not only files in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application Data and Local Settings folder, including files that were created by TPVs. Obviously the uninstaller shouldn't irreplacable user data without asking, as it does, or data in folders created by other programs, as it does, nor should the deletion process be without an easily activated STOP DELETING control, but despite those problems, the damage would be mitigated if one could restore the file from their Recycle Bin or appropriate equivalent. So, is there some reason why these deleted files don't go to the recycle bin? -- v i r t u a l w o r l d e n t h u s i a s t -- http://www.google.com/profiles/s u e z a n n e -- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer-development and viewer-beta
Briefly: viewer-development is the repository for daily work, the 'trunk'. Things checked in there go into the development viewer; the expectation is that those things are ready for release -- but it doesn't always work out that way. When we want to start the release process, we pull to viewer-beta. That goes through our integration QA process; every change in beta should be approved in advance, and also pulled over to viewer-development. Sometimes it goes the other way but we're trying to minimize that. We release betas approximately weekly. When we believe we have reached release stability, we pull beta to viewer-release and ship that as an "official" viewer. That will happen about monthly. The full explanation is here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Repository_Strategy Q On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Ponzu wrote: > Can someone briefly summarize how these two repositories are being used. It > looks sort of like they are being kept very much in lock-step, with merges, > pushes, and pulls. > > thanks, > ponzu > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote: > The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL program > files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not only files > in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application Data and > Local Settings folder, including files that were created by TPVs. the problem is in two parts 1 the uninstaller is being unclear and "helpful" 2 best practices for a TPV would be to use its own folder by default (with maybe doing a copy of the avatar log files and such) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
Those two parts are not the sum of the problem. Deleted files can appear in the Recycle Bin, which would allow the user to restore them without the use of any special file undelete utitilities. The files SL deletes don't. Someone should check to make sure I'm wrong. TPVs aren't always going to follow best practices any more than LL is going to always follow best practice. Best practice would be that if you ask about deleting files in C:\Program Files\SecondLifeDevelopment, you confine your deletions to files in those folders. Regardless of the flaws in the uninstaller's logic, the question I'm asking here is "Can the deleted files be made to do to the Recycle Bin instead of bypassing the Recycle Bin and thus being, at least in the mind of most users, permanently and irreversably gone?" On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Robert Martin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville > wrote: > > The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL program > > files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not only > files > > in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application Data > and > > Local Settings folder, including files that were created by TPVs. > > the problem is in two parts > 1 the uninstaller is being unclear and "helpful" > 2 best practices for a TPV would be to use its own folder by default > (with maybe doing a copy of the avatar log files and such) > > -- > Robert L Martin > -- v i r t u a l w o r l d e n t h u s i a s t -- http://www.google.com/profiles/s u e z a n n e -- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
i've seen several products that have an uninstall option to "delete user data?" Like, the uninstall won't delete anything except its executables and program data that it installed unless you give it permission to do more at uninstall time. At least one program i've seen asked two uninstall questions like that, the one for user data and another for config files. That program asked about config files because the company had several different versions of its product and sometimes people would switch between them. i know, that's not the best way to do things. i'm just sayin what i've seen. - AK -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those two parts are not the sum of the problem. Deleted files can appear in the Recycle Bin, which would allow the user to restore them without the use of any special file undelete utitilities. The files SL deletes don't. Someone should check to make sure I'm wrong. TPVs aren't always going to follow best practices any more than LL is going to always follow best practice. Best practice would be that if you ask about deleting files in C:\Program Files\SecondLifeDevelopment, you confine your deletions to files in those folders. Regardless of the flaws in the uninstaller's logic, the question I'm asking here is "Can the deleted files be made to do to the Recycle Bin instead of bypassing the Recycle Bin and thus being, at least in the mind of most users, permanently and irreversably gone?" On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Robert Martin wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote: > The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL program > files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not only files > in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application Data and > Local Settings folder, including files that were created by TPVs. the problem is in two parts 1 the uninstaller is being unclear and "helpful" 2 best practices for a TPV would be to use its own folder by default (with maybe doing a copy of the avatar log files and such) -- Robert L Martin -- v i r t u a l w o r l d e n t h u s i a s t -- http://www.google.com/profiles/s u e z a n n e -- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
In games unistallers it is pretty common for them to ask separately if you want to delete your save games as well. -Frans On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:28 PM, wrote: > i've seen several products that have an uninstall option to "delete user > data?" Like, the uninstall won't delete anything except its executables > and program data that it installed unless you give it permission to do > more at uninstall time. At least one program i've seen asked two > uninstall questions like that, the one for user data and another for > config files. That program asked about config files because the company > had several different versions of its product and sometimes people would > switch between them. i know, that's not the best way to do things. i'm > just sayin what i've seen. > > - AK > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Those two parts are not the sum of the problem. > > Deleted files can appear in the Recycle Bin, which would allow the user > to restore them without the use of any special file undelete utitilities. > > The files SL deletes don't. Someone should check to make sure I'm wrong. > > TPVs aren't always going to follow best practices any more than LL is > going to always follow best practice. Best practice would be that if you > ask about deleting files in C:\Program Files\SecondLifeDevelopment, you > confine your deletions to files in those folders. > > Regardless of the flaws in the uninstaller's logic, the question I'm > asking here is "Can the deleted files be made to do to the Recycle Bin > instead of bypassing the Recycle Bin and thus being, at least in the mind > of most users, permanently and irreversably gone?" > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Robert Martin > wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville > wrote: >> The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL > program >> files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not > only files >> in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application > Data and >> Local Settings folder, including files that were created by TPVs. > >the problem is in two parts >1 the uninstaller is being unclear and "helpful" >2 best practices for a TPV would be to use its own folder by default >(with maybe doing a copy of the avatar log files and such) > >-- >Robert L Martin > > > > > -- > v i r t u a l w o r l d e n t h u s i a s t > -- http://www.google.com/profiles/s u e z a n n e -- > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin
SuezanneC Baskerville schrieb: > Files deleted by the SL uninstaller don't appear in the Recycle Bin > on my Windows XP system. > > It seems to me it would be better if they did. > > Some files deleted by some other programs do appear in the Recycle Bin. > > In the case that brought this to my attention, it was the uninstaller > for the SL Development Viewer and what it deleted was all my chat > history, which could have been 7 years of chat history. > That is a problem with SL installer. Installers should never touch any of the user specific folders anyways. Same for uninstallers. That is for the windows platform. The uninstaller deleting chatlogs is a bug. To get most of your logs back, try some undeletion software. Maybe system restore saved the logs as well, but I wouldn't just use system restore, as it's an intrusive task and may cause more problems than it's worth. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
