Re: [opensource-dev] IRC bridge for brown-bag, Tuesday 4/13 noon PDT
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Joe Linden wrote: > I will also try to provide a dial-in bridge (using the AvaLine access > numbers) for access to the voice channel for people who can't (or won't) > make it in-world. I'll post the dialing information for that as soon as > I've fully tested it in the proximal channel we're using tomorrow. > I've also got an IRC bridge ready to roll, and a shoutcast server set up to stream in world voice chat, hopefully it will be working correctly later and this combined with the other options gives a lot of possible ways to participate in the events and hear what is going on. My bridge is currently on EFNet channel #brownbag Robin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
Whether or not these tools are long term effective is irrelevant. The fact these tools exist is simply the point Dale was trying to make. The whole TPVP is a "Feel Good" Policy to delude residents into believing Linden Lab can prevent the criminal element from having the tools to grief or violate IP/CopyRight and keep them out. Despite the fact copybot and proxy hacks like God Mode have been around longer then the OS viewer, many residents blame the OS viewer for making such acts possible which all of us old timers who paid attention and all of us OS developers/contributors know isn't the case. As Real Life has proven over and over again, no Law or Policy will prevent criminals from obtaining the tools they need to commit crime and only hurt legitimate residents in the end. Ron Festa Virtual Worlds Admin Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY Phone: 732-474-8583 On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Rob Nelson wrote: > Certain griefer viewers already bypass this form of profiling. I won't > detail how. > > Fred Rookstown > > On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 16:03 -0700, Erik Anderson wrote: > > Yah, but it might start looking a bit suspicious if it looks like > > you're using computers as one-time pads, always using a different > > system for each connection for a certain account? Might not be as > > easily detectable for the short-term accounts that get banned within > > minutes, but anything with history would stick out fairly obviously. > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Dale Glass > > wrote: > > В сообщении от Вторник 13 апреля 2010 00:52:48 вы написали: > > > There's still other facets. For example, the approved > > viewers get some > > > publicity and reputation by being on the approved viewers > > page, and it > > > makes people think that much harder about using sketchy > > viewers to do > > > sketchy things. (And yeah, they have to do one extra > > sketchy thing, as > > > Thomas mentions.) > > > > I don't think it makes a big difference. > > > > I'm talking about a group with a "FOR THE LULZ!" motto. I > > don't think they > > care much about keeping any account of theirs for very long. > > > > > > > > (As an aside, connecting from the same account and/or same > > IP with random > > > MACs seems pretty obviously strange and detectable. There's > > a few more > > > hoops left to jump through there.) > > > > That will take some work though. At my house there are 5 > > computers that could > > run a SL client, that's 5 MACs, all behind the same NATed IP > > address. Schools, > > workplaces, cafes, etc could have hundreds of legitimate ones. > > > > > > ___ > > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated > > posting privileges > > > > ___ > > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] IRC bridge for brown-bag, Tuesday 4/13 noon PDT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 perhaps it would be better if you named the channel somthing more specific, even if that makes the name bigger On 13/4/2010 08:22, Robin Cornelius wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Joe Linden wrote: >> I will also try to provide a dial-in bridge (using the AvaLine access >> numbers) for access to the voice channel for people who can't (or won't) >> make it in-world. I'll post the dialing information for that as soon as >> I've fully tested it in the proximal channel we're using tomorrow. >> > > I've also got an IRC bridge ready to roll, and a shoutcast server set > up to stream in world voice chat, hopefully it will be working > correctly later and this combined with the other options gives a lot > of possible ways to participate in the events and hear what is going > on. > > My bridge is currently on EFNet channel #brownbag > > Robin > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvEqUsACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmUiTQCfTqEO1kUF8dhOGkdQfebSrozs 5e8An3uMvYN9FFGvuebZzPWi2dt6f5DM =vF/j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
I've heard Linden Labs make this exact same argument multiple times in the past in response to resident reaction over this, so I'm fairly sure that they are very fully aware of this fact. 2010/4/13 Ron Festa > Whether or not these tools are long term effective is irrelevant. The fact > these tools exist is simply the point Dale was trying to make. The whole > TPVP is a "Feel Good" Policy to delude residents into believing Linden Lab > can prevent the criminal element from having the tools to grief or violate > IP/CopyRight and keep them out. Despite the fact copybot and proxy hacks > like God Mode have been around longer then the OS viewer, many residents > blame the OS viewer for making such acts possible which all of us old timers > who paid attention and all of us OS developers/contributors know isn't the > case. As Real Life has proven over and over again, no Law or Policy will > prevent criminals from obtaining the tools they need to commit crime and > only hurt legitimate residents in the end. > > Ron Festa > Virtual Worlds Admin > Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University > PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY > Phone: 732-474-8583 > > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] IRC bridge for brown-bag, Tuesday 4/13 noon PDT
i must have lost the SLURL for the brownbag that starts at noon. i may be able to attend the meeting, if only to listen. Could someone pls let me know what the SLURL is? THX!! -AK ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
That is correct. Phillip Linden made the same arguments when he was still CEO/President of the Lab when people like Prokofy cried and demanded LL take action to proactively prevent criminal activity on the grid especially when it involves IP rights. Its a truth that Phillip recognized that authority figures like Linden Lab can only *react to criminal activity as it happens and its impossible to truly prevent it.* The TPVP is more or less an example of a clear cut distinction between M's and Phillip's management styles. Ron Festa Virtual Worlds Admin Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY Phone: 732-474-8583 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Anderson < eri...@odysseus.anderson.name> wrote: > I've heard Linden Labs make this exact same argument multiple times in the > past in response to resident reaction over this, so I'm fairly sure that > they are very fully aware of this fact. > > 2010/4/13 Ron Festa > > Whether or not these tools are long term effective is irrelevant. The fact >> these tools exist is simply the point Dale was trying to make. The whole >> TPVP is a "Feel Good" Policy to delude residents into believing Linden Lab >> can prevent the criminal element from having the tools to grief or violate >> IP/CopyRight and keep them out. Despite the fact copybot and proxy hacks >> like God Mode have been around longer then the OS viewer, many residents >> blame the OS viewer for making such acts possible which all of us old timers >> who paid attention and all of us OS developers/contributors know isn't the >> case. As Real Life has proven over and over again, no Law or Policy will >> prevent criminals from obtaining the tools they need to commit crime and >> only hurt legitimate residents in the end. >> >> Ron Festa >> Virtual Worlds Admin >> Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University >> PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY >> Phone: 732-474-8583 >> >> > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
Dusting off an old statement The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a listed viewer and then hack and recompile. Oh and They can't wait until you can create plugins for the base viewer. -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
On 2010-04-13, at 13:30, Robert Martin wrote: > The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm > and begin creating "signed builds". Oh no! That will mean the ripoff artists will have to port over the tools they already use to inject code into Warcraft and Everquest! ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
It'll be possible to copy content as long as there are viewers. If you can see it on your screen there is always a way to make a copy that is reusable. Now obviously, all client issues aside, it's perfectly possible to identify copies if they are loaded back into SL. As long as they're not significantly different it's possible to identify copied textures, objects ... automatically. It'll eat resources but that's the way we'll be heading anyway when it comes to content. Similar things are being done to identify copyrighted video material and audio. On 13 April 2010 21:26, Argent Stonecutter wrote: > On 2010-04-13, at 13:30, Robert Martin wrote: >> The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm >> and begin creating "signed builds". > > Oh no! That will mean the ripoff artists will have to port over the > tools they already use to inject code into Warcraft and Everquest! > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already
Robert Martin wrote: > Dusting off an old statement > The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm > and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other > cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a listed viewer > and then hack and recompile. > Oh and They can't wait until you can create plugins for the base viewer. Signed builds won't do any good unless you sign your entire computer over to the Trusted Computing Platform, at which point, be prepared for files to disappear whenever one of your software suppliers decides you shouldn't have that particular file. Say, for example, that competitor's software, that MP3 file you paid for 3 years ago, but a new company bought the rights to it, and decided your previously perpetual license is no longer valid, or that article you're typing up in their cloud/browser based word processing program that explains how they deleted files you had a perfect right to own. Meanwhile, those few allowed to create and distribute content will be bemoaning the pirates who have hacked around the TPM module in their computers, wanting a tax on everyone to cover monies lost to these alleged pirates. Anyone creating *FREE* content, and trying to distribute it to who-ever wants it, will find that they're charged by the byte they type, and someone else will be charging by the byte for their readers to read it. It's kind of amazing how people keep making the same suggestions for how to prevent piracy of some kind, despite said methods being previously discussed and found wanting in similar contexts for 20 or 30 years now. Anyone remember dark burgundy sheets of paper with odd codes on it to prevent copying of games? Just how well did *THOSE* work? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
[opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 trunk binaries available
Hi, Whohoo! Yes! We now have the parabuild automated build system running correctly on the 3 platforms and posting results to S3 successfully! The only thing that's missing to make ua perfectly happy is having the notification email working too... One last little snag to fix... The links to the binaries are here under though. I've been told that we have crashers on the Linux version. Keep in mind that those are *trunk* builds, not final polished ones. Expect more of those and more sync to viewer-2-0 as soon as we fix the notification email issue. Big thanks to Techwolf and Thickbrick for hepling fix the Linux build issue yesterday: you're my heroes guys! :) Downloads: Windows: http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/downloads/2010/trunk/3318/Snowglobe_2-0-0-3318_Setup.exe Darwin: http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/downloads/2010/trunk/3318/Snowglobe_2_0_0_3318_SNOWGLOBETESTBUILD.dmg Linux: http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/downloads/2010/trunk/3318/Snowglobe-i686-2.0.0.3318.tar.bz2 Cheers, - Merov ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] SG 1-4 artwork zip file corrupted. SNOW-604
Hi,
Yes, I'm aware of this and have been working with folks internally to create
a new set of bundles for 1.x. Having some problems wrangling the parabuild
monster but getting there, hopefully before the week ends.
Cheers,
- Merov
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Nicky Perian wrote:
> Thickbrick,
> Thanks
> Nicky
> Couldn't make the meeting yesterday.
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Thickbrick Sleaford
> *To:* opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
> *Cc:* Nicky Perian
> *Sent:* Fri, April 9, 2010 3:53:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [opensource-dev] SG 1-4 artwork zip file corrupted.
> SNOW-604
>
> On Friday 09 April 2010 20:45:41 Nicky Perian wrote:
> >
> http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-604?ticket=ST-1291-Du2hp64P1FjUKtaRa
> > 4G1hKGawJEXOEadOKW-20
> >
> > Could a Linden please take a look?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Nicky
>
> The S3 urls in doc/asset_urls.txt give a 403 error ("Access Denied"):
>
> http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/browser/projects/2009/snowglobe/trunk/doc/asset_urls.txt
>
> This looks like it's the same problem as with build log urls from
> sldev-commit
> messages, which we discussed yesterday at the open source meeting. Merov
> said
> he will be looking into it, IIRC.
>
> --
> Thickbrick
>
>
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