Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread lists
In article ,
   Steve Fryatt  wrote:

> What you're asking for isn't hugely difficult, and would be a nice
> introductory project for someone wanting to get involved with the RISC OS
> front-end.  The offers of guidance that I made to Glen a couple of months
> back still stand for anyone interested in picking it up.

I just wish I was able to work on NetSurf because I think it is the one
piece of software that everybody in RO land uses and is the most
beneficial to the community as a whole. It is also the achilles-heel that
deters new adopters and causes people to move to other OSs.

Unfortunately, a little 8085 assembler for an OU course in microprocessors
and a few simple programs in Basic, back in the early days of the model B,
form the limits of my programming skills.

-- 
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Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread John Rickman Iyonix
someone? wrote:

> It takes less than an hour to install the OS and get a NetSurf build
> going.

Is it feasible to do this using an RasPi? (Pi 2 Raspian)

john



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Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:27:06AM +0100, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> someone? wrote:
> 
> > It takes less than an hour to install the OS and get a NetSurf build
> > going.
> 
> Is it feasible to do this using an RasPi? (Pi 2 Raspian)

Yes.  However you will not be able to use our pre-built cross-compiling
toolchain, which is built for AMD64 Linux.  Which means you'll have to
build your own.  And on an ARM that's going to take a while.

Sadly our build process is optimised to use the fastest cheapest
hardware available; we've never considered that anybody would be
developing from anything else.

B.



Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread Dave Higton
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:02:42 +0100 Stuart Winsor wrote:

> I just wish I was able to work on NetSurf because I think it is the one
> piece of software that everybody in RO land uses and is the most
> beneficial to the community as a whole. It is also the achilles-heel that
> deters new adopters and causes people to move to other OSs.
> 
> Unfortunately, a little 8085 assembler for an OU course in
> microprocessors
> and a few simple programs in Basic, back in the early days of the model
> B,
> form the limits of my programming skills.

My uncle trained many years ago in Adult Education.  One thing he said
has always stuck with me: that adults possess no less ability to learn
than do children.

I've become aware over the years since then that the big difference
between children and adults is their attitude.  No-one tells children
that they can't learn, and so they go through all their childhood
years learning at an astonishing rate.  Then something happens, and
they persuade themselves (or each other) that learning is no longer
possible.

Perhaps one force is the fear of the embarrassment of failure.  In my
career, I'm used to trial and error: usually almost as much error as
trial, bearing in mind the number of trials that have to be gone
through on the way to a single success!  Don't be embarrassed, just
learn what to do next time.

I'm in my mid sixties, and learning new things is something I enjoy.

To anyone who thinks they can't learn something new, I would commend
a change of attitude.  Be positive.  Think in terms of what you might
be able to do - if only you try.

Try, and you might succeed.  Don't try, and you certainly won't
succeed.

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Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread John Rickman Iyonix
Dave Higton  wrote

> My uncle trained many years ago in Adult Education.  One thing he said
> has always stuck with me: that adults possess no less ability to learn
> than do children.

Your uncle was right, but he forgot to mention how quickly adults can 
forget what they have learnt.

I have been trying to learn Spanish for years but forget words at the 
same rate as I learn them. :-(


-- 
John Rickman -  http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.



Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread David Pitt
John Rickman Iyonix, on 30 Apr, wrote:

> Dave Higton  wrote
> 
> > My uncle trained many years ago in Adult Education.  One thing he said
> > has always stuck with me: that adults possess no less ability to learn
> > than do children.
> 
> Your uncle was right, but he forgot to mention how quickly adults can
> forget what they have learnt.
> 
> I have been trying to learn Spanish for years but forget words at the same
> rate as I learn them. :-(

¿Qué es lo bueno de eso, NetSurf no está escrito en español.

I have a similar issue with C, but this thread has been enough to get me to
restart my C learning curve, and very enjoyable it has been too. 


-- 
David Pitt



Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread Brian
In article <54b9784cbfli...@torrens.org.uk>, Richard Torrens (lists)
 wrote:
> Could you change the saving of the hot list?

> At present it only saves when NS is quit - a pain if you have just made
> changes and NS quits1

> It either needs a Menu Item: Save Hot List or it should save
> automatically when changed.

Reading this thread with some dismay. However, would it be practicable to
sponsor support of the the RISC OS side of NetSurf under the ROOL
sponsorship scheme? I should be glad to contribute if such a scheme were
to be implemented.




Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 04:33:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> In article <54b9784cbfli...@torrens.org.uk>, Richard Torrens (lists)
>  wrote:
> > Could you change the saving of the hot list?
> 
> > At present it only saves when NS is quit - a pain if you have just made
> > changes and NS quits1
> 
> > It either needs a Menu Item: Save Hot List or it should save
> > automatically when changed.
> 
> Reading this thread with some dismay. However, would it be practicable to
> sponsor support of the the RISC OS side of NetSurf under the ROOL
> sponsorship scheme? I should be glad to contribute if such a scheme were
> to be implemented.

I don't think offering a small amount of cash is going to make much
difference if there is no interested, skilled, or bored enough developer
to do the work.

B.



Re: Hot List

2015-04-30 Thread Dave Higton
In message <54bc7ed240bbai...@argonet.co.uk>
  Brian  wrote:

> would it be practicable to sponsor support of the the RISC OS side of
> NetSurf under the ROOL sponsorship scheme? I should be glad to contribute
> if such a scheme were to be implemented.

Financial incentives don't appear to have made any difference so far.

Dave


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