Re: Deprecated elements [was Re: spurious newlines
In message <502f57db9easg...@inspire.net.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <502f456d69...@timil.com>, >Tim Hill wrote: >> In article , Richard Porter >> wrote: >>> On 17 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: The element which should be used is the 'em' element and, instead of the 'b' element, use 'strong'. The reason for the others being deprecated >> they're not > May I refer you to > http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/a/bltags_deprctag.htm > Keith But look here: http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/p/bltags_b.htm Hans --
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , >Richard Porter wrote: > > [snip] > > > I'm trying to imagine just how you would intonate 'emphasised' and > > 'strong' so as to differentiate them. In fact I don't really know what > > 'strong' means in this context. > > Neither do I, in general; however, some combination of pauses, > rising/falling tones, increased/reduced volume, changing what is known as > attack etc are available to the style sheet designer and will be quite as > effective as visual forms of styling. The audible effects used, however, > are very often also tied to a particular language which in normal use is > intoned differently from other languages. The sort of modern natural voice synthesisers we are using in screen readers for the visiually impared, have all sorts of parameters which you can use to change the emphaisis. They actually read passages of text superbly well with, and honestly, sometimes it is extremely difficult to tell it appart from an actual recording. Cheers ---Dave -- Email: dr...@druck.org.uk Phone: +44- (0)7974 108301
Re: Deprecated elements [was Re: spurious newlines
On 18 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <502f456d69...@timil.com>, >Tim Hill wrote: >> In article , Richard Porter >> wrote: >>> On 17 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: The element which should be used is the 'em' element and, instead of the 'b' element, use 'strong'. The reason for the others being deprecated >> they're not > May I refer you to > http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/a/bltags_deprctag.htm But that page is headed "Deprecated XHTML Elements", NOT "Deprecated HTML Elements". Anyway about.com isn't W3C. Richard -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
Re: Deprecated elements [was Re: spurious newlines
On 18 Feb 2009 JJ van Poll wrote: > In message <502f57db9easg...@inspire.net.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: >> In article <502f456d69...@timil.com>, >>Tim Hill wrote: >>> In article , Richard Porter >>> wrote: On 17 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: > The element which should be used is the 'em' element and, instead of > the 'b' element, use 'strong'. The reason for the others being > deprecated >>> they're not >> May I refer you to >> http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/a/bltags_deprctag.htm > But look here: > http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/p/bltags_b.htm In the tag list at http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/l/blhtmlreference.htm and are not shown as deprecated, although and are, which is a shame because it's a lot quicker to type xxx than xxx and then go to your stylesheet and type in the class definition. The trouble with CSS is that it can be like using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut. It seems like a good idea but it's taken on a life of its own and has gone far beyond the limit of its usefulness. It should be "horses for courses". What's right for a large corporate web site isn't necessarily right for a small personal one. -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:21:08 + "David J. Ruck" wrote: > The sort of modern natural voice synthesisers we are using in screen > readers for the visiually impared, have all sorts of parameters which > you can use to change the emphaisis. They actually read passages of > text superbly well with, and honestly, sometimes it is extremely > difficult to tell it appart from an actual recording. A friend of mine makes use of the Dolphin stuff; the synthesiser that shipped with it was pretty dreadful. Fortunately, it supports SAPI, so buying him a copy of a sexy woman's voice from AT&T's Natural Voices product line for his birthday one year went down extremely well :) I've never heard bank statements sound so *filthy*. B.
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
On 18 Feb 2009 David J. Ruck wrote: > The sort of modern natural voice synthesisers we are using in screen > readers for the visiually impared, have all sorts of parameters which you > can use to change the emphaisis. They actually read passages of text > superbly well with, and honestly, sometimes it is extremely difficult to > tell it appart from an actual recording. Unlike some sat-nav systems I could mention. I was with a friend in Germany when the sat-nav said in a harsh female American voice, "turn left into maynzer strass" which should of course have been Mainzer Straße. Very embarrassing if you have natives in the car! -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
In article <6553812f50.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 18 Feb 2009 David J. Ruck wrote: > > The sort of modern natural voice synthesisers we are using in screen > > readers for the visiually impared, have all sorts of parameters which > > you can use to change the emphaisis. They actually read passages of > > text superbly well with, and honestly, sometimes it is extremely > > difficult to tell it appart from an actual recording. > Unlike some sat-nav systems I could mention. I was with a friend in > Germany when the sat-nav said in a harsh female American voice, "turn > left into maynzer strass" which should of course have been Mainzer > Straße. Very embarrassing if you have natives in the car! Let's stay on topic (NetSurf), please. Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
Rob Kendrick wrote: > A friend of mine makes use of the Dolphin stuff; the synthesiser that > shipped with it was pretty dreadful. We don't like to talk about that, it's utter sh*te, but we managed to ease out the director responsible last year, and are rapidly elimating all trace of it. > Fortunately, it supports SAPI, so buying him a copy of a sexy woman's > voice from AT&T's Natural Voices product line for his birthday one year > went down extremely well :) The direct drivers for Acapela and Nuance RealSpeak voices are our best ones. > I've never heard bank statements sound so *filthy*. If you think that is good, you should hear some of the foriegn girls voices, by god to they enhance some reading material ;-) Anyhow, I suspect this is a bit off topic and not child friendly for NetSurf list. Cheers ---Dave -- Email: dr...@druck.org.uk Phone: +44- (0)7974 108301
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
On 18 Feb 2009 Michael Drake wrote: > Let's stay on topic (NetSurf), please. OK, what about Google maps? -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
Re: Content, styling and media [was: spurious newlines
Richard Porter wrote: OK, what about Google maps? You mean some of the most complex javascript ever written and specifically tailored for each major browers it runs on? Would you like to guess which side of hell freezing over it will work on Netsurf? Cheers ---Dave -- Email: dr...@druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301
