PGP/MIME
Are there any mail clients around other than Mutt that sign and encrypt messages the way Mutt does? Nobody I know is able to read my signed messages or verify my signatures, and the signatures seem to cause problems with some mailreaders. For instance, the message body shows up blank, and what I wrote only shows up in a text attachment (which, sadly enough, some people fail to notice and completely miss what I wrote). I read the rationale (or rather, what I believe to be the rationale) for this in PGP-Notes.txt, in the answer to the question, "I don't like that PGP/MIME stuff, but want to use the old way of PGP-signing my mails. Can't you include that with mutt?" I don't understand why "Application/pgp is not really suited to a world with MIME, non-textual body parts and similar things." What exactly was wrong with the old way of signing e-mails, with "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-" and such? What is the benefit to PGP/MIME? -- === ALL USERS PLEASE NOTE Compiler optimizations have been made to macro expand LET into a WITHOUT- INTERRUPTS special form so that it can PUSH things into a stack in the LET-OPTIMIZATION area, SETQ the variables and then POP them back when it's done. Don't worry about this unless you use multiprocessing. Note that LET *could* have been defined by: (LET ((LET '`(LET ((LET ',LET)) ,LET))) `(LET ((LET ',LET)) ,LET)) This is believed to speed up execution by as much as a factor of 1.01 or 3.50 depending on whether you believe our friendly marketing representatives. This code was written by a new programmer here (we snatched him away from Itty Bitti Machines where we was writting COUGHBOL code) so to give him confidence we trusted his vows of "it works pretty well" and installed it. PGP signature
Re: From: line shows recipients domain name
On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:40:31PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > You seem to be posting directly from your debian box on a uunet dialup - I > suggest you check out http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul for why this is A Bad Thing > (tm). Set Exim to relay all mails through uunet's mailserver instead. I have never understood how doing this is A Bad Thing. Were it not for the MAPS DUL, I could have faster mail delivery, ESMTP features that my ISP's mailserver doesn't support, and faster feedback on whether the mail went through. I fail to see how the measure prevents mail abuse in any way. Why can't a spammer simply relay mail through his ISP's mailserver? In fact, wouldn't it be faster this way? Rather than making a connection to yb.mx.aol.com and clmin7-ext.prodigy.com and mail.bigfoot.com and mail1.microsoft.com and mx1.mail.yahoo.com and mail.hotmail.com and every other service's mailserver separately, a spammer could just make ONE connection to his ISP's mailserver and relay all his mail through that one connection. Am I missing something here? -- Nouvelle cuisine, n.: French for "not enough food". Continental breakfast, n.: English for "not enough food". Tapas, n.: Spanish for "not enough food". Dim Sum, n.: Chinese for more food than you've ever seen in your entire life.
Re: spamfilter for procmail
On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 05:33:05PM -0700, Duncan Watson wrote: > I use the exact same procedure with the added benefit of automatically > accepting email from anyone in my company since so many of them bcc me or > use an alias that is not expanded. I simply use a rule that accepts all > mail from my domain. Try http://www.spambouncer.org/ . I haven't actually gotten around to installing it, but I've heard it works wonders. -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ Harry Browne, Libertarian \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign for President! X Against Outlook & HTML Mail http://www.harrybrowne.org/ / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ Pelorat sighed. "I will never understand people." "There's nothing to it. All you have to do is take a close look at yourself and you will understand everyone else. How would Seldon have worked out his Plan -- and I don't care how subtle his mathematics was -- if he didn't understand people; and how could he have done that if people weren't easy to understand? You show me someone who can't understand people and I'll show you someone who has built up a false image of himself -- no offense intended." -- Asimov, "Foundation's Edge"
Re: editing mails, then save it instead of sending
On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 04:25:32PM +0300, Mikko Hänninen wrote: > Yes, upgrade to 1.2.5, which has a nice "edit-message" function. > > Actually, the same functionality is in 1.0.1 too, when you select > a message for "edit and resend", you can use the w(rite) command > to write it back to the folder. After that you can then quit the > > message without sending it. > > But the edit-message function in 1.2.5 is much nicer. Hmm... the 1.0.1 functionality seems more useful to me. Is there any way to edit and resend a message in 1.2.5? -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ Harry Browne, Libertarian \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign for President! X Against Outlook & HTML Mail http://www.harrybrowne.org/ / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ Thompson, if he is to be believed, has sampled the entire rainbow of legal and illegal drugs in heroic efforts to feel better than he does. As for the truth about his health: I have asked around about it. I am told that he appears to be strong and rosy, and steadily sane. But we will be doing what he wants us to do, I think, if we consider his exterior a sort of Dorian Gray facade. Inwardly, he is being eaten alive by tinhorn politicians. The disease is fatal. There is no known cure. The most we can do for the poor devil, it seems to me, is to name his disease in his honor. >From this moment on, let all those who feel that Americans can be as easily led to beauty as to ugliness, to truth as to public relations, to joy as to bitterness, be said to be suffering from Hunter Thompson's disease. I don't have it this morning. It comes and goes. This morning I don't have Hunter Thompson's disease. -- Kurt Vonnegut Jr., on Dr. Hunter S. Thompson: Excerpt from "A Political Disease", Vonnegut's review of "Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72"
Re: my_hdr
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 10:47:16PM -0500, Ethan Pierce wrote: > Hi, following the suggestion of reading the manual a bit more :) I found out how to >set my header for a reply to a mailing list. I use the following command: > > send-hook '~t ^some@malinglist\.net$' 'my_hdr From: name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' > > after I reply to one of these mailing lists all my future emails have the latter >my_hdr From: information and not the default. If I dont reply to any mailing list >messages on a fresh launch of mutt my_hdr From: is correct. Any ideas how to reset >this back to default if I choose to reply to the mailing list?? How about adding: send-hook '! ~t ^some@malinglist\.net$' 'my_hdr From: bla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' to your .muttrc as well? -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ Harry Browne, Libertarian \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign for President! X Against Outlook & HTML Mail http://www.harrybrowne.org/ / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ I came home the other night and tried to open the door with my car keys...and the building started up. So I took it out for a drive. A cop pulled me over for speeding. He asked me where I live... "Right here". -- Steven Wright
(at least) a few questions...
Why doesn't mutt use summary files like Netscape to reduce mbox load time? Is there a command to advance to the next unread message in any mailbox specified by the 'mailboxes' setting? When I send mail fcc-ed to one of the mailboxes in 'mailboxes', mutt reports new mail in that mailbox. Is there any way to avoid this? When I type ":set pgp_verify_sig no", mutt 1.2.4i says, "unknown variable", though this variable is listed in my manual.txt. mutt -v reports > Mutt 1.2.4i (2000-07-07) > Copyright (C) 1996-2000 Michael R. Elkins and others. > Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. > Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. > > System: Linux 2.2.5-15 [using slang 10202] > Compile options: > -DOMAIN > -DEBUG > -HOMESPOOL +USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK > -USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_POP +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX > +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -ENABLE_NLS > SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail" > MAILPATH="/var/spool/mail" > SHAREDIR="/usr/local/share/mutt" > SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc" > ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell" With PGP/MIME, is there any easy solution that allows people with PGP/MIME-capable mail clients to receive PGP/MIME and everybody else to receive traditional PGP messages? I'm thinking a procmail recipe that looks at incoming email and puts the sender's email address in /home/dan/.pgpmime-capable or /home/dan/.pgpmime-notcapable. If the email is PGP/MIME, the sender goes in .pgpmime-capable. If the email is PGP traditional, the sender goes in .pgpmime-notcapable . If the User-Agent or X-Mailer or From is one of those that deal really really horribly with PGP/MIME (Outlook (Express?), Hotmail, et al.), the sender goes in pgpmime-notcapable . Then, in .muttrc... sendhook . 'unset pgp_create_traditional' # If we don't know, send them PGP/MIME to encourage them to # use PGP/MIME. source "sed -e \"s/^\\(.*\\)$/send-hook '~t \1' 'set pgp_create_traditional'/\" < /home/dan/.pgpmime-notcapable" source "sed -e \"s/^\\(.*\\)$/send-hook '~t \1' 'unset pgp_create_traditional'/\" < /home/dan/.pgpmime-capable" # (The escaping of shell commands in .muttrc is miserable, btw). Is there any better solution? Are there any other clients that deal horribly with PGP/MIME? BTW, how do you verify PGP/MIME signatures with PGP 6 for Windows? -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Who is John Galt?X Against Outlook & HTML Mail / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Two, one to hold the giraffe, and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. [Surrealist jokes just aren't my cup of fur. Ed.]
Send-hook not setting from properly
To test a problem, I made a .muttrc with only these two lines from my usual configuration: send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"' send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set realname="Razl"' This should, when I reply to mail form a mailing list at gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au , set the From: header to Razl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, right? When I reply to the attached message, though, Mutt sets the From: header to Razl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. The odd thing is, if I cancel that message and try it again, Mutt works as I want it to and sets the From: header to Razl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . Is this a bug? Or am I just missing something about send-hooks? -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Who is John Galt?X Against Outlook & HTML Mail / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ A-Z affectionately, 1 to 10 alphabetically, from here to eternity without in betweens, still looking for a custom fit in an off-the-rack world, sales talk from sales assistants when all i want to do is lower your resistance, no rhythm in cymbals no tempo in drums, love's on arrival, she comes when she comes, right on the target but wide of the mark... send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"' send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set realname="Razl"' > If this is truly the case, then I question whether this CFJ should not > be dismissed on the grounds that "[i]ts Statement does not relate to a > matter relevant to the Rules," Rule 1565. But it IS relevant, insomuch as this CFJ might define a particular limit to what Rules can do. Even if this would have no immediate effect (it's not much use to CFJ to control what cannot control) it could set a precedent that would help guide future proposals with respect to Player actions. -Goethe.
Re: Send-hook not setting from properly
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 06:01:37AM -0600, Aaron Schrab wrote: > At 21:04 -0500 13 Feb 2001, Daniel J Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"' > > send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set >realname="Razl"' > > > Is this a bug? Or am I just missing something about send-hooks? > > At the time that send-hooks are evaluated, Mutt has already generated > the From: header that it plans to use. Is this by design? This seems like extraordinarily counterintuitive behavior. Also, why should Mutt not set 'realname' and 'from' at the same time? > If you want to select a From: header from send-hooks you need to use > 'my_hdr From:'. Will envelope_from set the envelope if I do this? -- Daniel J. Peng /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Who is John Galt?X Against Outlook & HTML Mail / \ http://www.thebackrow.net/ Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the drug store, but that's just peanuts to space. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Quoting HTML mail in reply
Is there any way to have mutt automatically quote HTML mail when I reply to it? My mailcap has text/html; lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput and it only makes sense for mutt to quote copiousoutput MIME types in replies... -- W: You see, me and Willetta have been going on for a few weeks now. Phil: Only a few weeks, and she's living in your room? DJP: Will! What's that thing you said earlier about taking things slow! M&W rolling on the ground laughing.
from, realname, my_hdr "From:"
I just installed Debian woody with Mutt 1.3.28i, and I've discovered a puzzling behavior that wasn't in the Mutt that came with Mandrake 8.0 nor any other Mutt I've ever used. I made a simple muttrc with just > set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > set realname="Daniel J. Peng" Now I expected that when I started writing an email in Mutt, Mutt would construct a default From header consisting of my email and realname, but instead the From header is completely blank. If I type ":set from" or ":set realname", my email and realname do appear properly. Has anybody else seen this behavior? Is this a new "feature" of Mutt 1.3.28i? Or is this some pecularity of Debian's package? mutt -v reports: > Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13) > Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. > Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. > Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. > > System: Linux 2.4.18-686 (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] > Compile options: > -DOMAIN > -DEBUG > -HOMESPOOL +USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE > +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK > +USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL +USE_GNUTLS +USE_SASL > +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX > +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET > +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM > +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT > +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +COMPRESSED +HAVE_WC_FUNCS > +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR > +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO > ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell" > SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail" > MAILPATH="/var/mail" > PKGDATADIR="/usr/share/mutt" > SYSCONFDIR="/etc" > EXECSHELL="/bin/sh" > MIXMASTER="mixmaster" > To contact the developers, please mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. > > patch-1.5.tlr.mx_open_append.2 > patch-1.3.28.cvs.indexsegfault > patch-1.3.27.bse.xtitles.1 > patch-1.3.26.appoct.3 > patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 > patch-1.3.27.admcd.gnutls.19 > Md.use_editor > Md.paths_mutt.man > Md.muttbug_no_list > Md.use_etc_mailname > Md.muttbug_warning > Md.gpg_status_fd > patch-1.3.24.rr.compressed.1 > patch-1.3.25.cd.edit_threads.9.1 > patch-1.3.23.1.ametzler.pgp_good_sign -- There ain't nothin' in this world that's worth being a snot over. -- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux peng 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686 unknown 21:22:44 up 17:07, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.07
Re: from, realname, my_hdr "From:"
On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 10:08:47PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 09:37:03PM -0400, Daniel J Peng wrote: > | I just installed Debian woody with Mutt 1.3.28i, and I've discovered a > | puzzling behavior that wasn't in the Mutt that came with Mandrake 8.0 > | nor any other Mutt I've ever used. I made a simple muttrc with just > | > | > set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > | > set realname="Daniel J. Peng" > | > | Now I expected that when I started writing an email in Mutt, Mutt > | would construct a default From header consisting of my email and > | realname, but instead the From header is completely blank. > > What happens if you add > set use_from > to it? Hrm.. That works. Thanks!! When was this option added? I haven't seen it in the ChangeLog.. > | If I type ":set from" or ":set realname", my email and realname do > | appear properly. > > That's odd. Well, what I meant is that my email and realname appear in the status line as > from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and > realname="Daniel J. Peng" -- I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. -- Thomas Jefferson Linux peng 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686 unknown 08:17:58 up 1 day, 4:03, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.01
