pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-02 Thread DaleKelly

I tried on the #mutt channel with no answer
I tried the suggestions on comp.mail.mutt group

I am trying to add secure pop and secure smtp in my 1.5.23 Muttrc file 
(I can't find my .muttrc file and I think I may have edited before)


here are the only lines I added to my Muttrc file that was there on 
installation:


set realname = "dale"
set from = "d...@dalekelly.org"
set use_from = no
set envelope_from ="yes"



smtps://[user[:password]@]smtpout.secureserver.net[:465]
pops://[user[:password]@]pop.secureserver.net[:995]

I read "man mutt"
I read the doc(s) in my mutt-1.5.23/doc folder

any assistance?

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-02 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/02/2014 06:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

*Should*  be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to
/etc/muttrc

My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc


can't gedit ~/.muttrc (nothing there)
no /muttrc folder in /etc

tried putting the "mailboxes" edit in from of my smtps and pops lines 
but still I get no email where I send it, no error message I can see


where are error messages?

I looked a little at configuring debug, but I don't know ...

trying to get a smaller memory footprint than my GUI email/news

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-02 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/02/2014 06:53 PM, John Niendorf wrote:

Dale,

For what it is worth I have this in my .muttrc file and I am able to
send and receive securly to my server.

set smtp_url="smtps://j...@jfniendorf.org@secure_server.com/465"


Thanks John, I have been working off my Muttrc file, I can't find my 
.muttrc file (might have edited it before, can't remember now)


tried your suggestion for smtp_url, didn't work

I install 1.5.23 with pop and IMAP enabled, I didn't see an enable for 
smtp in the README or INSTALL file


also reinstalled a couple times

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote:

You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
for config info.


made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, 
does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should 
be, put it where sample.muttrc was


I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user

make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl'
Making install in doc
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml
/bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found
make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored)
cat instdoc.sh > instdoc
/bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied
make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23'
make: *** [install] Error 2

as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/


thanks John, I had a little on the job Unix, and have been hacking at 
Linux for about 15 years, but my attention span isn't as good as it used 
to be


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying 
to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with 
desktop switcher)


get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


(mutt loads but emails sent are not received)

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 12:55 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying
to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with
desktop switcher)

get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


(mutt loads but emails sent are not received)



this page
http://superuser.com/questions/403694/setting-up-mutt-for-gmail

says check mutt's environment variables to see if SMTP is in my 
installation by executing mutt -v

I don't see SMTP anywhere
says POP was enabled in installation, and doesn't have an error from 
.muttrc when I run, like SMTP


I am running version 1.5.1.6 my repository (was 1.5.1.23 from mutt source)

anyone know how to set this variable, +USE_SMTP  ?

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???


I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23



I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
but I install a package built for my distro.


I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6

when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP,

no "USE" at all shows up just (+) or (-)

tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut 
same errors as before



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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 12:55:07PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird,
trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems
with desktop switcher)

get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


This is pointing to the problem. Look at line 136. Is line 136 the one
you give above:-


yes the line numbers match those listed in the errors



set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80

Do you have to replace "user" with your user name?

When you type "mutt -v" at the prompt, do you get "+USE_SMTP" in the
output, or do you get "-USE_SMTP"? If you get the latter you have not
compiled mutt with SMTP support so it will not recognise smtp_host.


no, doesn't look like SMTP support

and all it says is that "pop is enabled" no +USE_POP or +USE_POP or -USE_POP



You have the error message. You have the manual. Just search until you
debug this problem.

Brian.



(mutt loads but emails sent are not received)

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:

[cd to mutt source directory]

$ ./configure --enable-smtp
$ make
$ sudo make install


previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote:

If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions
mentioned here.


everything in 1.5.1.23 working except
SMTP authentication requires SASL

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 05:21 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* DaleKelly  [11-03-14 16:33]:

On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???


I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23



I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
but I install a package built for my distro.


I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6

when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP,

no "USE" at all shows up just (+) or (-)

tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut
same errors as before


http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Setup

especially: ./configure --help

For an explanation of all the features use ./configure --help of the mutt
source distribution. Most important are USE_POP, USE_IMAP & USE_SSL for
the respective support (recommended), USE_FCNTL & USE_FLOCK for the
file-locking type, HOMESPOOL when delivering new mail to home-dir instead
of system spool-dir, HAVE_COLOR for helpful highlighting of items, and the
"[using ncurses...]" for the library you want mutt to use to draw its
interface.

You need to look for *definition* of what you want to do.  You are
"stabbing" in the dark rather than taking a rational approach.  And you
explanations may be very descriptive to you but those trying to help are
trying to fill in blanks w/o knowing actually what you have done.  You
haven't even bothered to provide the step-by-step you use in compiling
mutt.  "mutt USE_SMTP" really means nothing to me and certainly isn't a
configure line parameter.

What distro are you running?
Do they provide packages?
Have you tried a provided package of mutt?

Above you say you are using "one from the distribution" but just before
you say you compiled "I did with POP and IMAP enabled".  Did you or did
you not?




apologies Patrick, I have a short attention span and tend to hack at 
some point


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 08:44 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote:

If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions
mentioned here.


everything in 1.5.1.23 working except
SMTP authentication requires SASL



sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libsasl2-2 is already the newest version.

already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/03/2014 09:43 PM, DaleKelly wrote:


sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libsasl2-2 is already the newest version.

already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc


tried --with-sasl[=PFX] on configure
tried PFX
tried various locations where sasl was listed
(might have to find where sasl is listed)

get the following error:
configure: error: could not find sasl lib

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do I need both SSL and SASL?

2014-11-03 Thread DaleKelly

for SMTPs and POPs?

SSL seems to go through the motions in mutt

but SASL
SASL authentication failed

have
set from = "d...@dalekelly.org"
set realname = "Dale"
set pop_pass="pass"
set pop_user="user"
set pop_host=pops://u...@pop.secureserver.net:995
set smtp_url=smtps://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:465
set smtp_user="user"
set smtp_pass="pass"



I get
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 348: smtp_user: unknown variable
when I set smtp user to
set smtp_user="user"
if I comment it out, I just get
SASL authentication failed

do I need to configure SASL?

no error on
set pop_user="user"

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 01:37 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Install from the repository and configure the .muttrc file (I would put
that file in ~/)  This should avoid any problems like mutt not being
configured for SMTP.


Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

the repository doesn't work either

I'm down to just:
smtp_user
SASL authentication error (if smtp_user is commented out)

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 06:56 AM, John Long wrote:

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 08:40:57PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:

[cd to mutt source directory]

$ ./configure --enable-smtp
$ make
$ sudo make install


previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL


You have to install the SASL package. It is used for authenticating your
password (and maybe your userid, I forget) so you password is transmitted
encrypted rather than as normal text.

/jl



sasl2 was already installed
I put it in some configure statement too

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

mutt -v | grep -i smtp


I get this

mutt -v | grep -i smtp
Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' '--with-ssl'
+USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 12:37 PM, Joshua Smith wrote:

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 12:31:26PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

>On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

> >mutt -v | grep -i smtp

>
>I get this
>
>mutt -v | grep -i smtp
>Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' '--with-ssl'
>+USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP

Is that from the mutt you built by hand or the mutt from apt?  At this
point its not exactly clear what you've done with regards to installing
from the repo or building from source.



the one from hand, I tried the repository but it didn't work and I 
removed it, and did my configure/make/make install of the source one over


I think I need to investigate authentication settings in my ~/.muttrc 
file, and might have to configure SASL since it has a configuration file too


SSL seems to work, but I get this error with SASL

SASL authentication failed

my be as easy as I don't have
smtp_user
smtp_pass
set to the wrong user/pass, or might be the wrong usage of the statements

haven't even got into POP yet, I want my messages left on the server

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 07:02 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:

The repository version has been found to be suitable by
many, many different users.  No one has been able to get
your hand built version to work.

Please consider the likelyhood that your previous problems
with the repository version were due to your unfamiliarity
with mutt configuration.

Using the repository version would eliminate one large
source of uncertainty.


Jon, thanks for your recommendation

I had the same configuration problems with the Ubuntu repository one, 
like the source I have to edit ~/.muttrc , kind of the same problems


SSL seems to work
SASL either isn't finding an authentication method, or I am not 
specifying my user/pass correctly in ~/.muttrc


I am getting this
digest-md5 authentication failed, trying next method
SASL authentication failed

I originally wanted to switch from Thunderbird since I was having 
freezes when I used my desktop switcher and mutt/slrn seemed to be some 
memory footprint I could gain


going to put this on the back burner, I slimmed down my Thunderbird, 
thanks EVERYONE for all the help, and any future recommendations


I find no freezes if I select an icon from the icon bar which takes me 
to the desktop it is on, rather than going to the desktop with the switcher


moving a window to a different desktop is the worst freezer, so all I 
can do is configure my desktops and avoid it, or shut down the window 
and open it on a new desktop


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-04 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/04/2014 09:16 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Your claims of many years of linux history are very suspect.


I said I was a hack ...

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SMTP one more time, with all the details

2014-11-07 Thread DaleKelly

(my ~/.muttrc is below)

I am compiling from source (1.5.1.23)
got the message on the dev list that SSLv3 had a security issue
don't know if a previous version has SMTP

I added --config-pop --config-smtp --with-ssl --with-sasl
to the ./comfigure command
then sudo make clean
then sudo make
then sudo make install

when I run

echo "Test" | mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org

I get

TLSv1 connection using TLSv1/SSLv3 (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA)
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.

I get no prompt for username and password

I added only one change to the sample.muttrc
and saved it to ~/.muttrc
set smtp_url=smtps://smtpout.secureserver.net:465

I don't get a prompt for username or password
when I add
set stmp_user=
set smtp_pass=
it doesn't do anything different

if I do mutt -v I get

Mutt 1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
Copyright (C) 1996-2009 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: Linux 3.13.0-39-generic (i686)
ncurses: ncurses 5.9.20140118 (compiled with 5.9)

Compiler:
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/i686-linux-gnu/4.8/lto-wrapper
Target: i686-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu 
4.8.2-19ubuntu1' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.8/README.Bugs 
--enable-languages=c,c++,java,go,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr 
--program-suffix=-4.8 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id 
--libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix 
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.8 --libdir=/usr/lib 
--enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu 
--enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes 
--enable-gnu-unique-object --disable-libmudflap --enable-plugin 
--with-system-zlib --disable-browser-plugin --enable-java-awt=gtk 
--enable-gtk-cairo 
--with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.8-i386/jre 
--enable-java-home 
--with-jvm-root-dir=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.8-i386 
--with-jvm-jar-dir=/usr/lib/jvm-exports/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.8-i386 
--with-arch-directory=i386 
--with-ecj-jar=/usr/share/java/eclipse-ecj.jar --enable-objc-gc 
--enable-targets=all --enable-multiarch --disable-werror 
--with-arch-32=i686 --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 
--with-tune=generic --enable-checking=release --build=i686-linux-gnu 
--host=i686-linux-gnu --target=i686-linux-gnu

Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1)

Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-ssl' '--with-sasl'

Compilation CFLAGS: -Wall -pedantic -Wno-long-long -g -O2

Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  +USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +DL_STANDALONE  +USE_FCNTL 
-USE_FLOCK

+USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
+USE_SSL_OPENSSL  -USE_SSL_GNUTLS  +USE_SASL  -USE_GSS  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM
+CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_PGP  +CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_SMIME 
-CRYPT_BACKEND_GPGME

-EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT
+ENABLE_NLS  -LOCALES_HACK  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET 
+HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR

+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  -HAVE_LIBIDN  +HAVE_GETSID  -USE_HCACHE
-ISPELL
SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/mail"
PKGDATADIR="/usr/local/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
-MIXMASTER
To contact the developers, please mail to .
To report a bug, please visit http://bugs.mutt.org/.

HERE IS MY ~/.muttrc

# $Id$

# - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
#
# ME's personal .muttrc (Mutt 0.92.5)
#
# The format of this file is one command per line.  Everything after a pound
# sign (#) is a comment, unless a backward slash (\) precedes it.  Note: In
# folder-hook and send-hook you need to account for two levels of dequoting
# (see manual).
#

# Note: $folder should be set _before_ any other path vars where `+' or `='
# is used because paths are expanded when parsed
#
#set folder=~/Mail  # where i keep my mailboxes

#set abort_unmodified=yes   # automatically abort replies if I don't
# change the message
set alias_file=~/.mail_aliases  # where I keep my aliases
#set allow_8bit # never do Q-P encoding on legal 8-bit chars
set arrow_cursor# use -> instead of hiliting the whole line
#set ascii_chars# use ASCII instead of ACS chars for threads
#set askbcc
#set askcc
#set attribution="On %d, %n wrote:"   # how to attribute replies
set autoedit# go to the editor right away when composing
#set auto_tag   # always operate on tagged messages
#set charset="iso-8859-1" # character set for your terminal
set noconfirmappend # don't ask me if i want to append to mailboxes
#set confirmcreate  # p

Re: SMTP one more time, with all the details

2014-11-07 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/07/2014 11:28 PM, David Champion wrote:

* On 07 Nov 2014, DaleKelly wrote:


I get no prompt for username and password


No, you wouldn't because nothing in your configuration indicates
definitively that you want AUTH-SMTP.


I added only one change to the sample.muttrc
and saved it to ~/.muttrc
set smtp_url=smtps://smtpout.secureserver.net:465

I don't get a prompt for username or password
when I add
set stmp_user=


You need EITHER:
   set smtp_url=smtps://usern...@smtpout.secureserver.net:465
OR:
   set smtp_user=username

I believe you'll be prompted for a password then.



I tried smtp_user
same error
same no prompt for password
I have tried with and without ""

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Re: SMTP one more time, with all the details

2014-11-07 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/08/2014 12:15 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* DaleKelly  [11-07-14 22:57]:

(my ~/.muttrc is below)

I am compiling from source (1.5.1.23)
got the message on the dev list that SSLv3 had a security issue
don't know if a previous version has SMTP

I added --config-pop --config-smtp --with-ssl --with-sasl
to the ./comfigure command
then sudo make clean
then sudo make
then sudo make install


guess maybe you should try:
   make clean
   make
   sudo make install


okay. that's next



still trying to figure why you find the need to compile rather than use
the binaries provided which usually have all the capabilites necessary.



I did try after I compiled, both had the same problems, I don't know how 
to remove a compiled version


for the binary in the Ubuntu repository, I just remove it with
sudo apt-get remove mutt

one thing to note is that my username is my email address, doesn't cause 
a problem in Thunderbird


but if I try it with smtp_user in my ~/.muttrc it gives my the same 
error as if no smtp_user

SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required

also tried putting my username in the smtp_url statement, same error


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Re: SMTP one more time, with all the details

2014-11-08 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/08/2014 01:12 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Dale,

What happens when you put this in your .muttrc file?

set smtp_url="smtps://your_email_addr...@email.server.com/465"
set smtp_pass="your_password"


same error, but thanks a lot

also tried adding
set smtp_authenticators="digest-md5:cram-md5"
then
set smtp_authenticators="cram-md5"
same error

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Re: SMTP one more time, with all the details

2014-11-08 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/08/2014 12:48 PM, John Niendorf wrote:

Dale,

I'm curious, what email provider are you using?


godaddy.com

same as my website

Thunderbird works with it

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trying repository mutt again

2014-11-08 Thread DaleKelly

I am using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 is the version in the repository

after not getting the 1.5.1.23 dev version off mutt.org to work, I am 
trying the one in the Ubuntu repository


there is a discrepancy for SMTP

the Ubuntu Spftware Center says it has EMSTP support
the ubuntu wiki says the MTA defaults to a Postfix installation, and 
gives instructions for sSMTP


mutt -v shows +USE_SMTP
(I removed postfix,ssmtp,mutt in that order)
then installed ssmtp and mutt in that order
I get the same error as with the dev package
echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.

it is looking at the default config file, /etc/Muttrc
included below
I configured the ssmtp.conf file
included below
and the output of mutt -v
included below

#
# System configuration file for Mutt
#

# Default list of header fields to weed when displaying.
# Ignore all lines by default...
ignore *

# ... then allow these through.
unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url user-agent

# Display the fields in this order
hdr_order date from to cc subject

# emacs-like bindings
bind editor"\e"kill-word
bind editor"\e" kill-word

# map delete-char to a sane value
bind editor   delete-char

# some people actually like these settings
#set pager_stop
#bind pager  previous-line
#bind pager  next-line

# Specifies how to sort messages in the index menu.
set sort=threads

# The behavior of this option on the Debian mutt package is
# not the original one because exim4, the default SMTP on Debian
# does not strip bcc headers so this can cause privacy problems;
# see man muttrc for more info
#unset write_bcc
# Postfix and qmail use Delivered-To for detecting loops
unset bounce_delivered

set mixmaster="mixmaster-filter"

# System-wide CA file managed by the ca-certificates package
set ssl_ca_certificates_file="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt"

# imitate the old search-body function
macro index \eb "~b " "search in message bodies"

# simulate the old url menu
macro index,pager,attach,compose \cb "\
 set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode pipe_decode\
 urlview\
 set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset 
my_pipe_decode" \

"call urlview to extract URLs out of a message"

# Show documentation when pressing F1
macro generic,pager  " zcat 
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | sensible-pager" "show Mutt 
documentation"


# show the incoming mailboxes list (just like "mutt -y") and back when 
pressing "y"
macro index,pager y "?" "show incoming 
mailboxes list"

bind browser y exit

# If Mutt is unable to determine your site's domain name correctly, you can
# set the default here. (better: fix /etc/mailname)
#
# set hostname=cs.hmc.edu

# If your sendmail supports the -B8BITMIME flag, enable the following
#
# set use_8bitmime

# Use mime.types to look up handlers for application/octet-stream. Can
# be undone with unmime_lookup.
mime_lookup application/octet-stream

# Upgrade the progress counter every 250ms, good for mutt over SSH
# see http://bugs.debian.org/537746
set time_inc=250

##
## *** DEFAULT SETTINGS FOR THE ATTACHMENTS PATCH ***
##

##
## Please see the manual (section "attachments")  for detailed
## documentation of the "attachments" command.
##
## Removing a pattern from a list removes that pattern literally. It
## does not remove any type matching the pattern.
##
##  attachments   +A */.*
##  attachments   +A image/jpeg
##  unattachments +A */.*
##
## This leaves "attached" image/jpeg files on the allowed attachments
## list. It does not remove all items, as you might expect, because the
## second */.* is not a matching expression at this time.
##
## Remember: "unattachments" only undoes what "attachments" has done!
## It does not trigger any matching on actual messages.

## Qualify any MIME part with an "attachment" disposition, EXCEPT for
## text/x-vcard and application/pgp parts. (PGP parts are already known
## to mutt, and can be searched for with ~g, ~G, and ~k.)
##
## I've added x-pkcs7 to this, since it functions (for S/MIME)
## analogously to PGP signature attachments. S/MIME isn't supported
## in a stock mutt build, but we can still treat it specially here.
##
attachments   +A */.*
attachments   -A text/x-vcard application/pgp.*
attachments   -A application/x-pkcs7-.*

## Discount all MIME parts with an "inline" disposition, unless they're
## text/plain. (Why inline a text/plain part unless it's external to the
## message flow?)
##
attachments   +I text/plain

## These two lines make Mutt qualify MIME containers.  (So, for example,
## a message/rfc822 forward will count as an attachment.)  The first
## line is unnecessary if you already have "attach-allow */.*", of
## course.  These are off by default!  The MIME elements contained
## within a message/* or multipart/* are still examined, even if the
## containers themselves don't qualify.
##
#attachments  +A message/.* multipart/.*
#attachments  +I message/.* multipart/.*

#

Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-08 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/08/2014 10:15 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* DaleKelly  [11-08-14 21:35]:

I am using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 is the version in the repository

  [...]  much removed

grep -v ^# ~/.muttrc

there is no need of including lines not being actually used!



mutt is not looking at my ~/.muttrc
it is using the global /etc/Muttrc
I don't yet know how to change this

here is my error
 echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /etc/Muttrc, line 145: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /etc/Muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.


anyways, here is the result of what you asked for my /etc/Muttrc

grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc

ignore *
unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url user-agent
hdr_order date from to cc subject
bind editor"\e"kill-word
bind editor"\e" kill-word
bind editor   delete-char
set sort=threads
unset bounce_delivered
set mixmaster="mixmaster-filter"
set ssl_ca_certificates_file="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt"
macro index \eb "~b " "search in message bodies"
macro index,pager,attach,compose \cb "\
 set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode pipe_decode\
 urlview\
 set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset 
my_pipe_decode" \

"call urlview to extract URLs out of a message"
macro generic,pager  " zcat 
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | sensible-pager" "show Mutt 
documentation"
macro index,pager y "?" "show incoming 
mailboxes list"

bind browser y exit
mime_lookup application/octet-stream
set time_inc=250
attachments   +A */.*
attachments   -A text/x-vcard application/pgp.*
attachments   -A application/x-pkcs7-.*
attachments   +I text/plain
attachments   -A message/external-body
attachments   -I message/external-body
source /usr/lib/mutt/source-muttrc.d|
set from = "d...@dalekelly.org"
set realname = "Dale"



set smtp_url=smtp://smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set smtp_user=d...@dalekelly.org


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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 12:44 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote:

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 11:59:47PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

>On 11/08/2014 10:15 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> >* DaleKelly  [11-08-14 21:35]:

> >>I am using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
> >>mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 is the version in the repository

> >  [...]  much removed
> >
> >grep -v ^# ~/.muttrc
> >
> >there is no need of including lines not being actually used!
> >

>
>mutt is not looking at my ~/.muttrc
>it is using the global /etc/Muttrc
>I don't yet know how to change this
>
>here is my error
>  echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s hellod...@dalekelly.org
>Error in /etc/Muttrc, line 145: smtp_user: unknown variable
>source: errors in /etc/Muttrc
>SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
>Could not send the message.
>
>

More likely mutt is using both.  First reading the system's
/etc/Muttrc and then your local ~/.muttrc for any personalization.
When it encounters an error it may abort and not go furthern.
Thus errors in /etc/Muttrc could mean it never gets to ~/.muttrc.



I got it to recognize my ~/.muttrc file by removing duplicate 
expressions, still get


 echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 353: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.


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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 03:29 AM, John Long wrote:

Stepping into the quicksand again for no good reason:

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 11:59:47PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:


  echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /etc/Muttrc, line 145: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /etc/Muttrc


Weird. Very weird.


set from = "d...@dalekelly.org"
set realname = "Dale"


This should not be in your /etc/muttrc! Your global muttrc in /etc or
/etc/mutt is supposed to set very few defaults. Everything else is commented
out. You are expected to copy that and make whatever customizations are
necessary for each mutt user. You don't save your credentials in /etc.



got it to recognize mu ~/.muttrc my removing duplicate expressions, 
still the same error


 echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 353: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.






set smtp_url=smtp://smtpout.secureserver.net:80


Why are you using port 80 for SMTP? If you are trying to get past an ISP
imposed firewall this won't work anyway. It will get you out from your ISP
but you will be trying to send email through secureservers webserver.


I don't know if it is a workaround but port 25 doesn't work in 
THunderbird, I have to use port 80 for no SSL/TLS





I don't know why you are trying so many versions of mutt. The version you
compiled looked fine. It is clearly a problem of authentication, if you
have shown us all the messages you are getting.


seems like it now, in the Ubuntu wiki it says I need a MTA (mail 
transport agent), it says it installs Postfix as default, then goes on 
to configuration of sSMTP MTA


the Ubuntu software center says it supports SMTP with ESMTP MTA



And I don't know why you are changing so many things at one time instead of
taking an orderly step by step approach.


I've gone through the variations step by step, I just didn't communicate 
it that well




And now that you have compiled mutt yourself and also installed from
packages it is likely you have multiple muttrc files in /etc too.


no, I removed the dev version with sudo make uninstall, first
I only have one Muttrc and one .muttrc



Why don't you make a backup copy of the muttrc in your /home directory and
modify the original to contain the bare minimum info needed to specify your
userid password and mail server? Get that working first and then start
worrying about customizing mutt later. There is a huge pile of crap here and
no sign of being able to wade through it.



that is what I am working off of


/jl




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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 03:40 AM, John Niendorf wrote:


The references I found were not mutt specific, but tend to point to a
problem with GoDaddy in general.


Thunderbird works fine, with SSL/TLS or without
(have to use port 80 instead of 25 for SMTP without SSL/TLS)

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 02:45 PM, John Niendorf wrote:

Is there a reason you do not want to use SSL?


SSL wasn't working with my tries at mutt dev, so I tried without it
(both work with THunderbird)

tried with and without SSL/TLS same error


echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 353: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.

will mutt/slrn/bitchx really save me any memory footprint over 
Thunderbird? my main issue is that sometimes the desktop switcher is 
slow or freezes when a lot of things are open, I don't even try moving 
apps across desktops any more


with thunderbird
I have forwarded my different emails to one
I have trimmed down my newsgroups
I have set the newsgroups to expire things quicker

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 04:36 PM, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 23:59:47 -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

* DaleKelly  [11-08-14 21:35]:

I am using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 is the version in the repository

[...]

here is my error
  echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /etc/Muttrc, line 145: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /etc/Muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.


The Ubuntu package includes the manual that goes with that particular
version of Mutt; you can read it with
   $ zless /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz
, or by hitting F1 from within Mutt.

I looked in that manual on a 14.04 LTS system and found that it does not
mention "smtp_user" anywhere.  However, a search of the document for
"smtp_url" and "URL Syntax" turn up a few sections of the manual that
explain how to specify the username as part of the SMTP URL string.

Nathan




thanks much, I will archive this post so I can get to the docs

I seemed to be getting a new error, see my response to Javi

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 05:28 PM, JaviMicro wrote:


Hi,


echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 353: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.


I have needed some days to understand your problem.

All we need read carefully the error:
  smtp_user: unknown variable

After reading manual pages of both stable and devel mutt releases:
   http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html
   http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual.html
we can see that both
imap_user
pop_user
are valid variables, BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT
smtp_user
is_not_a_valid_variable!.


Please use both email address and SMTP server combined in one line,
something like:
set smtp_url="smtps://myusern...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465"
set smtp_pass="MYPASSWORD"

Regards
--
Javi




new errors! thanks much

tried this with a fresh install of my ubuntu version mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2
(I uninstall the dev, and the old ubuntu one, first)

I get no errors with
echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
(and other emails tried)
but no emails received

if I use the mutt terminal interface I get
SMTP session failed: 550  Sender Rejected - MAIL FROM 
must be a valid domain


added
set realname="Dale"
set from="d...@dalekelly.org"

and get

SMTP session failed: 550  Sender 
Rejected - MAIL FROM must be a valid domain


when I install Mutt from the Ubuntu Software Center it says it has ESMTP 
support and not SMTP


the Ubuntu wiki for Mutt says mutt needs an MTA and is Postfix by 
default, then goes on with SSMTP instructions


isn't sendmail a MTA?
I know I can't use sendmail with my ISP
again, Thunderbird works in both SSL/TLS and no SSL/TLS

maybe I will have to try the dev version, 1.5.23
it has documentation of SMTP without mention of MTA





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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 06:36 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

set from="d...@dalekelly.org"


also tried
set from="www.dalekelly.org"

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 07:28 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* DaleKelly  [11-09-14 18:59]:

On 11/09/2014 06:36 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

set from="d...@dalekelly.org"


also tried
set from="www.dalekelly.org"


Why on earth?

You didn't try
   set from="Walt Kelly draws Pogo"

Perhaps you should.



got it to work without SSL/TLS in my smtp_url

THANKS EVERYONE

now I'm off to POP

want all my SMTP sends saved

want all my read POP saved, and left on the server

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 07:42 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

got it to work without SSL/TLS in my smtp_url


the caveats might have been
installing everyone related before ubuntu version
adding "" around the string for smtp_url
no SSL/TSL, and using port 80 instead of 25

I think I might have muddled around this except the url ""

THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE

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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 06:36 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/09/2014 05:28 PM, JaviMicro wrote:


Hi,


echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 353: smtp_user: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
SMTP session failed: 530 authentication required
Could not send the message.


I have needed some days to understand your problem.

All we need read carefully the error:
  smtp_user: unknown variable

After reading manual pages of both stable and devel mutt releases:
   http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html
   http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual.html
we can see that both
imap_user
pop_user
are valid variables, BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT
smtp_user
is_not_a_valid_variable!.


Please use both email address and SMTP server combined in one line,
something like:
set
smtp_url="smtps://myusern...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465"
set smtp_pass="MYPASSWORD"

Regards
--
Javi




new errors! thanks much

tried this with a fresh install of my ubuntu version mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2
(I uninstall the dev, and the old ubuntu one, first)

I get no errors with
echo "Test" | /usr/bin/mutt -s Hello d...@dalekelly.org
(and other emails tried)
but no emails received

if I use the mutt terminal interface I get
SMTP session failed: 550  Sender Rejected - MAIL FROM
must be a valid domain

added
set realname="Dale"
set from="d...@dalekelly.org"

and get

SMTP session failed: 550  Sender
Rejected - MAIL FROM must be a valid domain

when I install Mutt from the Ubuntu Software Center it says it has ESMTP
support and not SMTP

the Ubuntu wiki for Mutt says mutt needs an MTA and is Postfix by
default, then goes on with SSMTP instructions

isn't sendmail a MTA?
I know I can't use sendmail with my ISP
again, Thunderbird works in both SSL/TLS and no SSL/TLS

maybe I will have to try the dev version, 1.5.23
it has documentation of SMTP without mention of MTA





got it to work without SSL/TLS in my smtp_url
smtp, not smtps

the caveats might have been
installing everyone related before ubuntu version
adding "" around the string for smtp_url
no SSL/TSL, and using port 80 instead of 25

I think I might have muddled around this except the url ""

THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE



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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 09:37 PM, David Champion wrote:

Debug output
might help us figure it out.


how can I do this?

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now POP ...

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly
got my SMTP working as I want, except debugging why SSL/TLS doesn't 
work, I'm waiting for a reply as to how to debug


may as well ask about POP while I am reading docs
I am using mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 from the repository

before I read any mail I want configure to make sure copies are left on 
the server side


want to pull the mail

want to store/open old messages on the client side

nothing fancy

have the pop_host and pop_pass set in my Muttrc file, no errors when I 
launch mutt


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Re: trying repository mutt again

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/09/2014 10:53 PM, David Champion wrote:

* On 09 Nov 2014, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/09/2014 09:37 PM, David Champion wrote:

Debug output
might help us figure it out.


how can I do this?


You need +DEBUG enabled:
mutt -v | grep DEBUG


it shows +DEBUG



This command:
mutt -d4 

creates ~/.muttdebug0.  If you run again, .muttdebug0 is renamed to
.muttdebug1, etc.  So try against port 465, with your smtp_url set
to include your email address as a user name, and show us the contents
of .muttdebug0 (or put it on pastebin.org, etc).

Your password will be scratched out of the debug file but other personal
details may appear -- nothing you haven't shared already though, I
think.



I just tried it before debug, it works, don't know why it didn't before

I'm a hack ... at least I know how to debug it now

solution was probably adding the double quotes around the 
smtp_url=string, and putting my username in the smtp_url


THANKS AGAIN, apologies for being such a hack, my attention span isn't 
as good as it used to be



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Re: now POP ...

2014-11-09 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote:

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

>want to pull the mail
>want to store/open old messages on the client side
>nothing fancy

I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 configuration
for getmail just in case you are interested:


thanks, I'll archive this in case I cn't get the POP in mutt to work, 
especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server


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address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

how can I configure/maintain an address book?

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 08:55 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Check out abook in the repository.

John



On 10 Nov 2014, at 14:34, DaleKelly  wrote:

how can I configure/maintain an address book?

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already installed, how do I interface it with mutt?

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 09:23 AM, Russell Harris wrote:

Unless you have a high volume of incoming mail and you need to add the
addresses to you address book, the alias capability of Mutt may be
perfectly adequate.


I'll look at the alias compatibility

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 09:23 AM, Russell Harris wrote:

The first thing to do whenever you have a question such as that is to
submit to Google (or whatever search engine you prefer) the query
"mutt address book".  Then look over the list of links which the
search engine returns and click and click on the links which appear
most promising.  My own search with Google just now shows several
approaches, including the "aliases" capability of mutt and a package
called "abook".

The second thing to do is look at the Mutt documentation.  A search for
"mutt manual address book" turns up several links.

Once you have gained a bit of perspective from your own searching,
then you are ready to ask the list for advice concerning a particular
approach, or for advice as to which approach to take.


I try to do this, but I am kind of a hack, short attention span, I'm 
over 50, sometimes its just as easy to search and ask at the same time


I remember about 20 years ago on Unix there were some HOWTO formatted 
documentations coming around, whatever happened to this format in 
documentation?, man pages aren't that easy for me


I'll try harder, thanks, it might extend my attention span

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 09:24 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Honestly, from a*long*  time linux user...

man abook


I'll try, about 20 years ago on Unix they were doing some HOWTO format 
documentation on things you wanted to do, not much around any more


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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 10:18 AM, Gerard ROBIN wrote:

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:08:03AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:08:03 -0500
From: DaleKelly 
To: John Niendorf 
CC: "mutt-users@mutt.org" 
Subject: Re: address book?



already installed, how do I interface it with mutt?


in .muttrc:

macro index I "!abook\n"
macro pager I "!abook\n"



THANKS honorable guru

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 10:18 AM, Gerard ROBIN wrote:

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:08:03AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:08:03 -0500
From: DaleKelly 
To: John Niendorf 
CC: "mutt-users@mutt.org" 
Subject: Re: address book?



already installed, how do I interface it with mutt?


in .muttrc:

macro index I "!abook\n"
macro pager I "!abook\n"



when I press I in mutt, I get an empty abook, a put my addresses in abook

what can I do to get the populated one instead?

how do you select and send?

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Re: address book?

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 03:31 PM, DaleKelly wrote:


when I press I in mutt, I get an empty abook, a put my addresses in abook

what can I do to get the populated one instead?


got it, in mutt abook, I choose "l" to import the addressbook after I 
exported it using "w" from just abook, the commands are in "?" in abook


thanks everyone

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POP? (read some docs first)

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

read "?" on mutt
read POP in Mutt docs
searched Ubuntu wiki
searched google

I get
Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.
SSL/TLS seemes to make a connection before the error comes up
SMTP with SSL/TLS works fine
abook is working fine

"?" on my Ubuntu repository version, says "G" launches fetch-mail
Ubuntu version 14.04 LTS
repository Mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2

grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc is at the bottom

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here is what I added to my Muttrc

set realname="Dale"
set from="d...@dalekelly.org"

set smtp_url="smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465"
set smtp_pass="mypassword"

set pop_host="pops://d...@dalekelly.org@pop.secureserver.net:995"
set pop_pass="mypassword"

set signature="~/.signature"

macro index I "!abook\n"
macro pager I "!abook\n"



specifying pop_user gives me the same error, I currently have it separate
(pop_port gives an error, so I put in in the pop_host)

dale@dale-W3653:~$ grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc

ignore *

unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url user-agent

hdr_order date from to cc subject

bind editor"\e"kill-word
bind editor"\e" kill-word

bind editor   delete-char


set sort=threads

unset bounce_delivered

set mixmaster="mixmaster-filter"

set ssl_ca_certificates_file="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt"

macro index \eb "~b " "search in message bodies"

macro index,pager,attach,compose \cb "\
 set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode pipe_decode\
 urlview\
 set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset 
my_pipe_decode" \

"call urlview to extract URLs out of a message"

macro generic,pager  " zcat 
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | sensible-pager" "show Mutt 
documentation"


macro index,pager y "?" "show incoming 
mailboxes list"

bind browser y exit



mime_lookup application/octet-stream

set time_inc=250



attachments   +A */.*
attachments   -A text/x-vcard application/pgp.*
attachments   -A application/x-pkcs7-.*

attachments   +I text/plain


attachments   -A message/external-body
attachments   -I message/external-body

source /usr/lib/mutt/source-muttrc.d|

set realname="Dale"
set from="d...@dalekelly.org"

set smtp_url="smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465"
set smtp_pass="mypassword"

set pop_host="pops://pop.secureserver.net:995"
set pop_user="d...@dalekelly.org"
set pop_pass="mypassword"

set signature="~/.signature"

macro index I "!abook\n"
macro pager I "!abook\n"


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Re: POP? (read some docs first)

2014-11-10 Thread DaleKelly

On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.


APOP authentication failed.
proceeds the above error

although it works!!!

don't like errors, any help appreciated much

I'll write a full HOWTO on Ubuntu Mutt on my website below and post it 
to the mailing list and usenet group


thanks again, I'm off to bother the slrn folk now, already got a version 
of ircii running, when slrn is done I can shut Thunderbird down


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