window resize bug?

1999-12-14 Thread shawn a.

Hello Everybody,
I think I found a bug in mutt, I was wondering if someone else could
try to reproduce it, so I can figure out if it is just a bug in my 
setup. here's how:

startup mutt, type a !vim (it also works when I hit a m), when
vim starts up resize the XTerm's window for a bit,  this Is where the 
bug happens for me -- mutt's interface overtakes vim but vim is still 
running. its like vim and mutt are both trying to be the head app, it
is pretty weird.

let me know if it's just me,
thanks.
sa



Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Green

On Mon, Dec 13, 1999 at 02:10:13PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else wanting additional features should use IMAP.
> >
> > But there lies the rub - 99% of users of MUAs DON'T HAVE THAT
> > CHOICE!!!  We can't just "use IMAP", the choice isn't there!
> 
> Then MAKE it happen!  You are here, trying to push Mutt into conforming
> to an ill-fitting standard, simply because that's all your ISP offers
> you.  Why aren't you, instead, putting this same pressure on your ISP,
> telling them that IMAP is what you need?  Why does Mutt have to bend
> over backward for you?  You presumably pay money to your ISP; you should
> get some decent service from them.
> 
1 - Most UK users *don't* pay money to their ISP, not directly at
least.  The users have very little say in what software is
provided.  The ISP service is paid for indirectly via telephone
revenue and/or advertising.  It's a very different world from the 
USA I believe.

2 - I have asked a couple of business oriented services I use if they
might add IMAP4 services, both said "maybe, some time in the
future" and both said that they're not keen to provide IMAP4 
service because of security worries (real or imagined?).

3 - If you search the list of UK ISPs (and there are hundreds) there 
are virtually none that offer IMAP4.  It's just not going to 
happen I'm afraid, at least not for quite a while, in the meantime
we are stuck with POP3 and have to make the best of a less than 
ideal compromise.

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Mutt on MacOS X?

1999-12-14 Thread Grant Beattie

Has anyone successfully built it on Rhapsody 5.3?

the autoconf script knows nothing about it, and there's quite a few
conflicting types ...



Re: OT: 'sendmail -f' vs userdb et al.

1999-12-14 Thread Thomas Roessler

On 1999-12-13 21:10:21 +0100, Christoph Hertel wrote:

> So here's the question: Would there be a difference if I stop
> using the '-f'-flag and start using the 'userdb'-file to change
> the 'envelope-from' line in the mail-header?

First of all, there is no such thing as an envelope-from line in the
header.  It's transported out-of-band - in the envelope, not in the
message.

Second, using sendmail -f will help with all applications which
explicitly using.  If there is an (N+1)st application which doesn't
use it, you risk sending out messages with a bad envelope sender
address.  Thus, when your system doesn't have a domain name of its
own, you should actually switch to userdb.  Note that you may have
to use some sendmail feature like MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE, but I'm not
really sure about this - I've stopped using sendmail some time ago.

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Asterisk in index tree?

1999-12-14 Thread Subba Rao


This has been bothering me. What does the "asterisk" character, in the index,
for a thread indicate? Does that indicate priority? If yes, how do I set priority
on my mail?

TIA.

Subba Rao
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Re: Mutt on MacOS X?

1999-12-14 Thread Thomas Roessler

You may wish to take the CVS version and run the prepare script
first.  Perhaps that works.

On 1999-12-14 13:49:34 +1100, Grant Beattie wrote:
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:49:34 +1100
> From: Grant Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Mutt on MacOS X?
> 
> Has anyone successfully built it on Rhapsody 5.3?
> 
> the autoconf script knows nothing about it, and there's quite a few
> conflicting types ...
> 
> 

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Re: Asterisk in index tree?

1999-12-14 Thread brd

I believe mutt puts the asterisk when it is attempting to sort by
threads and finds matching subjects, but not in-reply-to fields, so
the asterisk is saying that it is "guessing" that this message goes
with this thread.

Brian

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:22:30AM -0500, Subba Rao wrote:
> 
> This has been bothering me. What does the "asterisk" character, in the index,
> for a thread indicate? Does that indicate priority? If yes, how do I set priority
> on my mail?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> Subba Rao
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/
> 
>  => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <=
> http://www.smcinnovations.com

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Re: Asterisk in index tree?

1999-12-14 Thread John P . Looney

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:22:30AM -0500, Subba Rao mentioned:
> 
> This has been bothering me. What does the "asterisk" character, in the index,
> for a thread indicate? Does that indicate priority? If yes, how do I set priority
> on my mail?

 It means that someone replyed to a thread with a crap mailer that didn't
set the "In-Reply-to:" field properly, and mutt's stuck it into the thread
as it thinks it's part of a thread (matching on subject/date) but isn't
sure.

Kate

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Re: Asterisk in index tree?

1999-12-14 Thread John P . Looney

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:22:30AM -0500, Subba Rao mentioned:
> 
> This has been bothering me. What does the "asterisk" character, in the index,
> for a thread indicate? Does that indicate priority? If yes, how do I set priority
> on my mail?

 It also occured to me that it's shown when a mail is all part of the same
thread, but the immediately preceding mail has been deleted, so there is no
direct link between it and the thread.

Kate

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Re: Asterisk in index tree?

1999-12-14 Thread Sebastian Helms

Hi,

On Die, 14 Dez 1999, Subba Rao wrote:

>
>This has been bothering me. What does the "asterisk" character, in the index,
>for a thread indicate? Does that indicate priority? If yes, how do I set priority
>on my mail?

You do not have strict_threads set. This means, that not only _real_
threads are diplayed, but also pseudo-threads.

Real threads are identified by the message-id's and the In-Replay-To
headers. These are displayed with a "real" arrow without asterisk.

Pseudo-threads are more than one message, which do not have matching
message-id's and In-Reply-To headers, but only have the same subject.
These are marked with an asterisk.

If you do not want to display these as threads, turn off strict_threads.

I do not know, though, how to change the asterisk itself. Maybe patching
the source ?

Regards,

Sebastian
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Re: window resize bug?

1999-12-14 Thread J Horacio MG

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 01:14:18AM -0700, shawn a. said:
> 
> startup mutt, type a !vim (it also works when I hit a m), when
> vim starts up resize the XTerm's window for a bit,  this Is where the 
> bug happens for me -- mutt's interface overtakes vim but vim is still 
> running. its like vim and mutt are both trying to be the head app, it
> is pretty weird.
> 
> let me know if it's just me,

It doesn't happen to me (vim 5.5).  But when I quit vim, mutt screen is
slightly weird until I press a key, just like if it hanged.


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Re: window resize bug?

1999-12-14 Thread Telsa Gwynne

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 01:14:18AM -0700 or thereabouts, shawn a. wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
> I think I found a bug in mutt, I was wondering if someone else could
> try to reproduce it, so I can figure out if it is just a bug in my 
> setup. here's how:

I tried this and can't make it happen. RH Linux 6.1, XFree86 (3.3.5),
October Gnome, mutt-1.0pre3i (with slang) and either gnome-terminals 
or xterms. Sorry. However, I can imagine the effects as I once managed 
to get both lynx and mutt apparently attempting to run in the same 
gnome-terminal. I think I may still have a screenshot of the resulting 
madness knocking around somewhere. It was most peculiar. Alas, I have no 
idea how I achieved it, and attempts to reproduce it failed.

I thought it was Lynx's fault at the time, but perhaps it wasn't 
after all. Poor old unjustly-blamed thing. Maybe I should feed it 
a cookie as a treat to make up :) What, me, anthropomorphic? Naah.

Telsa



collapsed threads and newly-arrived mail

1999-12-14 Thread David T-G

Hi, folks --

When reading a large mail folder, such as my mutt folder, I often collapse
all threads with an esc-V command.  While new messages in an existing
thread drop into the collapsed thread as expected, I have found, however,
that new mail in new threads arrives and the threads are uncollapsed.
At this point, esc-V becomes tricky, since some are collapsed and
some aren't.

Am I going to have to go to a folder-hook of some sort, or a macro
(probably better, since I don't *always* want my mutt folder collapsed)
to set a "show threads collapsed by default" variable (which I didn't
find in the manual, BTW -- is there one?) so that new threads get
collapsed for me?  Or do I really have to sync ($) and exit (x) and
restart (mutt -f ...) and recollapse (esc-V) to make 'em all the same?


TIA & Happy Holidays

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Re: window resize bug?

1999-12-14 Thread John P . Looney

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 11:37:07AM +, Telsa Gwynne mentioned:
> I tried this and can't make it happen. RH Linux 6.1, XFree86 (3.3.5),
> October Gnome, mutt-1.0pre3i (with slang) and either gnome-terminals 
> or xterms. Sorry. However, I can imagine the effects as I once managed 
> to get both lynx and mutt apparently attempting to run in the same 
> gnome-terminal. I think I may still have a screenshot of the resulting 
> madness knocking around somewhere. It was most peculiar. Alas, I have no 
> idea how I achieved it, and attempts to reproduce it failed.
> 
> I thought it was Lynx's fault at the time, but perhaps it wasn't 
> after all. Poor old unjustly-blamed thing. Maybe I should feed it 
> a cookie as a treat to make up :) What, me, anthropomorphic? Naah.

 I've done this loads of times. It's really wierd. I think I tryed to quit
out of lynx, but hit the wrong key, and then, depending on how many times I
pressed Ctrl-L, it looked like lynx or mutt. Must try track down what's
happening the next time I get a HTML mail..

Kate

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Mutt and Lynx squabbling in a window.

1999-12-14 Thread Telsa Gwynne

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 12:56:31PM + or thereabouts, John P . Looney wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 11:37:07AM +, Telsa Gwynne mentioned:
> > or xterms. Sorry. However, I can imagine the effects as I once managed 
> > to get both lynx and mutt apparently attempting to run in the same 
> > gnome-terminal. I think I may still have a screenshot of the resulting 
> 
>  I've done this loads of times. It's really wierd. I think I tryed to quit
> out of lynx, but hit the wrong key, and then, depending on how many times I
> pressed Ctrl-L, it looked like lynx or mutt. Must try track down what's
> happening the next time I get a HTML mail..

I don't think HTML mail causeed it in my case as I don't read them :)
Or at least, I don't have it show up all formatted by default, and
there's only one person whose HTML stuff I'll read even from the 
view index.

I think I either:
messed up with urlview
shelled out of lynx into mutt
shelled out of mutt into lynx

I found my screenshot. Because of the (ahem) funky backgrounds (which
looked good on that monitor, I wasn't to know the gamma was broken!),
it's 60k for a smallish picture, but if anyone wants to see the
results and guess what caused it, they're more than welcome.

Pressing ^L and getting redraws that didn't fix it does seem to ring
a bell, too.

Telsa



Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread David T-G

Sean --

If I understand you correctly, you want replies to email sent to your
yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
your from address as yifan when it sees that the email was sent there.

If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
address.


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Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread Sean Rima

Hi David!

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:

> Sean --
> 
> If I understand you correctly, you want replies to email sent to your
> yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
> your from address as yifan when it sees that the email was sent there.
> 
> If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
> might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
> address.
> 
> 

No the other way around. If a mail comes in addressed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], I want Mutt to set the reply as coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently it sets all mail to From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Blinking

In a gloomy night of Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 10:26:42AM -, these thoughts were sent 
throught the matrix...

-> Then MAKE it happen!  You are here, trying to push Mutt into conforming
-> to an ill-fitting standard, simply because that's all your ISP offers
-> you.  Why aren't you, instead, putting this same pressure on your ISP,
-> telling them that IMAP is what you need?  Why does Mutt have to bend
-> over backward for you?  You presumably pay money to your ISP; you should
-> get some decent service from them.

By the way you can get an IMAP account at http://www.myrealbox.com
It works fine...and it's free :)
In certain cases i think that could be better than your provider.
Bye!

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Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Green

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 01:47:34PM +, Blinking wrote:
> In a gloomy night of Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 10:26:42AM -, these thoughts were sent 
>throught the matrix...
> 
> -> Then MAKE it happen!  You are here, trying to push Mutt into conforming
> -> to an ill-fitting standard, simply because that's all your ISP offers
> -> you.  Why aren't you, instead, putting this same pressure on your ISP,
> -> telling them that IMAP is what you need?  Why does Mutt have to bend
> -> over backward for you?  You presumably pay money to your ISP; you should
> -> get some decent service from them.
> 
> By the way you can get an IMAP account at http://www.myrealbox.com
> It works fine...and it's free :)
> In certain cases i think that could be better than your provider.
> Bye!
> 
I have already done something similar, I have an IMAP4 account at
mailandnews.com, however there are times when having your mail kept at
the place where you have a proper subscribed-to ISP is better.

I have been using (and reporting back on) mutt's IMAP4 facilities as
well as advocating the maintenance of POP3 supoort in mutt you know.

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Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread John P . Looney

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 02:39:23PM +, Sean Rima mentioned:
> Hi David!
> 
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:
> 
> > Sean --
> > 
> > If I understand you correctly, you want replies to email sent to your
> > yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
> > your from address as yifan when it sees that the email was sent there.
> > 
> > If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
> > might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
> > address.
> > 
> > 
> 
> No the other way around. If a mail comes in addressed to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], I want Mutt to set the reply as coming from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently it sets all mail to From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I've in my .muttrc:

send-hook . my_hdr reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-hook . my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
send-hook ilug my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-hook ilug my_hdr Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-hook compapp.dcu.ie my_hdr reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-hook compapp.dcu.ie my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
send-hook online.ie my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
send-hook online.ie my_hdr Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I've loads more, but you get the idea...

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Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Eugene Lee

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 08:48:17AM +, Chris Green wrote:
:
:3 - If you search the list of UK ISPs (and there are hundreds) there 
:are virtually none that offer IMAP4.  It's just not going to 
:happen I'm afraid, at least not for quite a while, in the meantime
:we are stuck with POP3 and have to make the best of a less than 
:ideal compromise.

If you need IMAP-like features in a POP3 environment, the best solution
is Fetchmail.  Hacking IMAP-like features with POP3 is a pain.  Doing so
within Mutt is insane.  POP3 sucks.


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Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Green

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 07:56:33AM -0800, Eugene Lee wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 08:48:17AM +, Chris Green wrote:
> :
> :3 - If you search the list of UK ISPs (and there are hundreds) there 
> :are virtually none that offer IMAP4.  It's just not going to 
> :happen I'm afraid, at least not for quite a while, in the meantime
> :we are stuck with POP3 and have to make the best of a less than 
> :ideal compromise.
> 
> If you need IMAP-like features in a POP3 environment, the best solution
> is Fetchmail.  Hacking IMAP-like features with POP3 is a pain.  Doing so
> within Mutt is insane.  POP3 sucks.
> 
This is where we came in!  :-)   I agree that POP3 is not the ideal
protocol to work with but it's the one that 99% of users are stuck
with for much of their mail.  Fetchmail is a good solution *until* you
want to do things interactively with your POP3 mail box.

The one thing that I would like (and I think some other people would
like) is a means to interactively decide what to do with mail in a
POP3 mailbox.  Fetchmail can't do this, the interactive requirement
puts the facility squarely into the MUA I'm afraid.

As I said previously, I'm already using mutt on IMAP4 mailboxes and
like it (and report back to the developers) but I still have POP3
mailboxes to deal with as well.

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Re: Mutt and Lynx squabbling in a window.

1999-12-14 Thread Marius Gedminas

On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 01:42:00PM +, Telsa Gwynne wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 12:56:31PM + or thereabouts, John P . Looney wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 11:37:07AM +, Telsa Gwynne mentioned:
> > > or xterms. Sorry. However, I can imagine the effects as I once managed 
> > > to get both lynx and mutt apparently attempting to run in the same 
> > > gnome-terminal. I think I may still have a screenshot of the resulting 
> > 
> >  I've done this loads of times. It's really wierd. I think I tryed to quit
> > out of lynx, but hit the wrong key, and then, depending on how many times I
> > pressed Ctrl-L, it looked like lynx or mutt. Must try track down what's
> > happening the next time I get a HTML mail..
> 
[...]
> I think I either:
>   messed up with urlview
>   shelled out of lynx into mutt
>   shelled out of mutt into lynx

When I try to run lynx from inside Midnight Commander (the tty version,
not gmc) from inside Gnome Terminal, I often get this weird behavior.
If I just type lynx foobar from the command line it works nicely,
however if I hit Enter on a .html file (and thus run... hey, why does it
say `(lynx %f &)' in the mc.ext file?), both programs try to update the
screen simultaneously and both struggle for keystrokes.

The ampersand sure looks suspicious.  (Note, that both lynx and mc are
compiled with slang.  But vim uses ncurses, so perhaps that's not
relevant.)  I also tried the same trick in plain console, and lynx was
then properly `stopped (tty input)'.

Mutt seems to be innocent.  Its more likely a problem in xterm (not
suspending background tasks).

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Re: window resize bug?

1999-12-14 Thread David DeSimone

shawn a. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> startup mutt, type a !vim (it also works when I hit a m), when
> vim starts up resize the XTerm's window for a bit, this Is where the
> bug happens for me -- mutt's interface overtakes vim but vim is still
> running.  its like vim and mutt are both trying to be the head app, it
> is pretty weird.

This is a signal-handling bug in your shell.  When Mutt launches the
editor, it is very careful to set up the signal handlers for all signals
that could come in.  However, the process tree goes something like this:

mutt
sh -c 'vim'
vim

So, the direct child of Mutt is sh, and the editor runs as a child of sh.

What happens is that the intermediate 'sh' messes up the signal
handlers.  It shouldn't do that, and most shells don't, but there are
apparently some buggy versions that do.

When you resize your xterm, a SIGWINCH signal is sent to all the
processes running in that window.  That means Mutt, sh, and Vim all get
the signal.  Mutt and Vim handle it properly.  Sh should ignore it, but
it fails, and instead, sh exits completely, leaving vim still running as
an orphaned process, where Mutt can't see it anymore.  Mutt thinks that
the editor has finished, so it resumes processing, but the editor is
still running, and they fight over the terminal.


So... What to do?  Well, use a different shell.  Upgrade your /bin/sh to
a more recent version.  Or, if you have another shell to use, that is
/bin/sh compatible, use that, by re-configuring Mutt with the
--with-exec-shell option.  Try /bin/ksh or /bin/bash instead.

As a last resort, you might try

set editor="exec vim"

This will cause the sh process to replace itself with the editor.  That
gets the buggy shell out of the way, but since the shell is going to be
used to launch other commands from Mutt, too, you would be better off
with a non-buggy shell instead.

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Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread David T-G

Sean --

...and then Sean Rima said...
% Hi David!

Hi there!


% 
% On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:
% 
% > yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
% > 
% > If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
% > might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
% > address.
% 
% No the other way around. If a mail comes in addressed to
% [EMAIL PROTECTED], I want Mutt to set the reply as coming from
% [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently it sets all mail to From:
% [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ah.  Well, then, you probably want to set "use_from" and "alternates"
in your .muttrc so that mutt will send the reply out as the person to
whom it was addressed.  Give it a shot.


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Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread Sean Rima

Hi David!

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:

> Sean --
> 
> ...and then Sean Rima said...
> % Hi David!
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> 
> % 
> % On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:
> % 
> % > yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
> % > 
> % > If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
> % > might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
> % > address.
> % 
> % No the other way around. If a mail comes in addressed to
> % [EMAIL PROTECTED], I want Mutt to set the reply as coming from
> % [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently it sets all mail to From:
> % [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Ah.  Well, then, you probably want to set "use_from" and "alternates"
> in your .muttrc so that mutt will send the reply out as the person to
> whom it was addressed.  Give it a shot.
> 
> 


Both set and still no joy. I tried unsetting (commenting out) my defaults
send-hook my_hdr but to no avail. I think I will just for the moment have to
have several commented out my_hdr From lines to suit.

Sean

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Re: Send-Hooks

1999-12-14 Thread Sean Rima

Hi John!

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, John P . Looney wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 02:39:23PM +, Sean Rima mentioned:
> > Hi David!
> > 
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, David T-G wrote:
> > 
> > > Sean --
> > > 
> > > If I understand you correctly, you want replies to email sent to your
> > > yifan account to come from your softhome account, but mutt currently sets
> > > your from address as yifan when it sees that the email was sent there.
> > > 
> > > If that's correct, then I believe you want to unset "use_from", and you
> > > might also want to specify a "my_hdr From" command to force a particular
> > > address.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > No the other way around. If a mail comes in addressed to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], I want Mutt to set the reply as coming from
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently it sets all mail to From:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  I've in my .muttrc:
> 
> send-hook . my_hdr reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send-hook . my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> send-hook ilug my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send-hook ilug my_hdr Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send-hook compapp.dcu.ie my_hdr reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> send-hook compapp.dcu.ie my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> send-hook online.ie my_hdr From: John P. Looney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> send-hook online.ie my_hdr Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  I've loads more, but you get the idea...
> 

I have these set for mailing lists etc, but if someone writes me direct, my
default email address may not be the one he/she wrote to and I don't want to
confuse anyone :)

Sean

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Re: collapsed threads and newly-arrived mail

1999-12-14 Thread Jeremy Blosser

David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> When reading a large mail folder, such as my mutt folder, I often collapse
> all threads with an esc-V command.  While new messages in an existing
> thread drop into the collapsed thread as expected, I have found, however,
> that new mail in new threads arrives and the threads are uncollapsed.
> At this point, esc-V becomes tricky, since some are collapsed and
> some aren't.
> 
> Am I going to have to go to a folder-hook of some sort, or a macro
> (probably better, since I don't *always* want my mutt folder collapsed)
> to set a "show threads collapsed by default" variable (which I didn't
> find in the manual, BTW -- is there one?) so that new threads get
> collapsed for me?  Or do I really have to sync ($) and exit (x) and
> restart (mutt -f ...) and recollapse (esc-V) to make 'em all the same?

Well, you can always just esc-V twice.  Mutt seems to hold the value of the
all-collapsed toggle, so if you get a half-and-half display like that and
hit esc-V, it switches to all uncollapsed.  Then a second esc-V will
recollapse them all.  I use the following:

macro index \cv "VV"

as well as

folder-hook . "push V"

to start out with everything collapsed.

On a somewhat related, somewhat offtopic note... I've had trouble getting
esc-v or esc-V or any other esc key combo to work since I started running
Mutt in screen.  Anyone know anything about this?  I don't seem to get this
problem with other apps in screen.

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Re: Multiple POP accounts and personalities...

1999-12-14 Thread Jeremy Blosser

Chris Green [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> The one thing that I would like (and I think some other people would
> like) is a means to interactively decide what to do with mail in a
> POP3 mailbox.  Fetchmail can't do this, the interactive requirement
> puts the facility squarely into the MUA I'm afraid.

Chris, have you tried out Poppy?

   http://home.sprynet.com/~cbagwell/projects.html

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