Re: dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available
On 12/02/16 18:56, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2016-02-12, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: Hi, I have a carped firewall which is using dhcrelay to forward dhcp requests to another carped dhcp server. After upgrade to Feb 4 snapshot I'm seeing these in my logs: What version were you running before? To establish whether it's a dhcrelay problem or something to do with carp can you try dhcrelay from slightly older source e.g. 'cvs up -D 2016/02/01'? I went back to 2016/02/01 and 2016/01/12 (packet.c) and I have the same problem so it doesn't seem like a dhcrelay problem. I changed it to print the interfaces Feb 17 18:04:28 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp63 Feb 18 09:16:35 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 Feb 18 09:27:45 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 but there is no network/routing problem. Setup is trunk (lacp) - vlans - carps - dhcrelay for internal trunk (lacp) / nat for external ospf in (passive on carps) / out on ext trunk. Any way to debug this further? thanks, Giannis
Re: current status of octeon support
> Holger Glaess [gla...@glaessixs.de] wrote: >> hi >> >> can some tell me what the status is for 5.9 octeon port ? >> >> is the usb port stable enough to handle an harddisk ? > > Yes although there may be more speed optimization possible > > hi what about the hardware acceleration functions of an Edgerouter Lite/POE ? Holger
Re: dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available
On 2016 Feb 18 (Thu) at 12:25:07 +0200 (+0200), Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :On 12/02/16 18:56, Stuart Henderson wrote: :>On 2016-02-12, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :>>Hi, :>> :>>I have a carped firewall which is using dhcrelay to forward dhcp :>>requests to another carped dhcp server. :>>After upgrade to Feb 4 snapshot I'm seeing these in my logs: :>What version were you running before? :> :>To establish whether it's a dhcrelay problem or something to do with carp :>can you try dhcrelay from slightly older source e.g. 'cvs up -D 2016/02/01'? :> : :I went back to 2016/02/01 and 2016/01/12 (packet.c) and I have the same :problem :so it doesn't seem like a dhcrelay problem. : :I changed it to print the interfaces :Feb 17 18:04:28 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp63 :Feb 18 09:16:35 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 :Feb 18 09:27:45 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 :but there is no network/routing problem. : :Setup is trunk (lacp) - vlans - carps - dhcrelay for internal :trunk (lacp) / nat for external : :ospf in (passive on carps) / out on ext trunk. : :Any way to debug this further? : :thanks, : :Giannis : How many bpf devices do you have? You may need to create more. -- I'm a creationist; I refuse to believe that I could have evolved from man.
Re: How to tune network on Qemu-system-i386
On 2016-02-18, Steve Litt wrote: > Does hardware accelerated Qemu work on OpenBSD now? It didn't at the > end of 2014. Not at present, no.
Re: dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available
On 18/02/16 13:22, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2016 Feb 18 (Thu) at 12:25:07 +0200 (+0200), Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :On 12/02/16 18:56, Stuart Henderson wrote: :>On 2016-02-12, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :>>Hi, :>> :>>I have a carped firewall which is using dhcrelay to forward dhcp :>>requests to another carped dhcp server. :>>After upgrade to Feb 4 snapshot I'm seeing these in my logs: :>What version were you running before? :> :>To establish whether it's a dhcrelay problem or something to do with carp :>can you try dhcrelay from slightly older source e.g. 'cvs up -D 2016/02/01'? :> : :I went back to 2016/02/01 and 2016/01/12 (packet.c) and I have the same :problem :so it doesn't seem like a dhcrelay problem. : :I changed it to print the interfaces :Feb 17 18:04:28 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp63 :Feb 18 09:16:35 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 :Feb 18 09:27:45 dhcrelay: send_packet: No buffer space available on carp32 :but there is no network/routing problem. : :Setup is trunk (lacp) - vlans - carps - dhcrelay for internal :trunk (lacp) / nat for external : :ospf in (passive on carps) / out on ext trunk. : :Any way to debug this further? : :thanks, : :Giannis : How many bpf devices do you have? You may need to create more. I have 20 bpf devices, 27 vlan interfaces, 27 carp interfaces, 17 dhcrelay processes. wasn't there a message when bpf devides were short? Anyway I pushed it to 30 bpf devices and see how it goes. G
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
Am 02/18/16 um 06:28 schrieb Andy Bradford: > > Anyway, just some musings. Is there anyone else out there using > lpr/lpd/lprm from base? Maybe I'm the only one? > > Thanks, > > Andy > I've connected a Kyocera FS-920 to my router and all hosts (*bsd, mac, win) do their printing on it (just b&w needed). Done the configuration years ago with the help of apsfilter: lp|PS;r=600x600;q=medium;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ :lp=/dev/ulpt0:\ :if=/etc/apsfilter/basedir/bin/apsfilter:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: lpd is not very chatty when it comes to errors, though. Marc
Re: How to tune network on Qemu-system-i386
Not as far as I can tell. It'd be via vmm if you can, so your options would be openbsd or netbsd, neither quickly from what I've heard. On Thu Feb 18 01:39:13 2016 GMT-0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Does hardware accelerated Qemu work on OpenBSD now? It didn't at the > end of 2014. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:38:48 +0500 > "dmitry.sensei" wrote: > > > It works :) If i added ifconfig tap0 > > However I have not yet understand how :) > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:45 PM, John Long wrote: > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:06:34AM +0500, dmitry.sensei wrote: > > > > > >> Can you give generic guide to setting up a network in Qemu > > >> (OpenBSD)? I have one physical re0 interface, which looks to the > > >> Internet. > > > > > > #!/bin/ksh > > > ifconfig tun0 create > > > ifconfig tun0 link0 > > > ifconfig tun0 up > > > ifconfig bridge0 create > > > #ifconfig bridge0 fwddelay 4 > > > ifconfig bridge0 add re0 add tun0 > > > ifconfig bridge0 up > > > > > > I can't remember where I found the above but I have been using it > > > with SIMH. It may have been in the example where somebody shows how > > > to run OpenBSD VAX under SIMH. In the SIMH .conf you use > > > > > > at xq tap:tap0 > > > > > > I ASSume you would use a similar syntax in QEMU's config. That is, > > > use tap:tap0 as your network interface name instead of re0. I > > > commented out the fwddelay to see if it affected anything and it > > > doesn't seem to in this application. > > > > > > /jl > > > > > > -- > > > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong > > > against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD > > >and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org > > > attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! > > > Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > SteveT > > Steve Litt > February 2016 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/key > > -- Sent from my Jolla
general xdg-open configuration
Hello, I appear to need to modify the default application used by xdg-open to open a file directory. The man page of xdg-open is not very helpful. Can anybody tell me what is the right and general (I run fvwm) system-wide file on openbsd to edit? Thanks Ruda
Re: general xdg-open configuration
On 2016-02-18 17.11.03 +0100, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > I appear to need to modify the default application used > by xdg-open to open a file directory. The man page of xdg-open > is not very helpful. Can anybody tell me what is the right > and general (I run fvwm) system-wide file on openbsd to edit? Sadly not entirely straightforward, but the ArchWiki has the details that the man page should have had: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open
Re: current status of octeon support
Holger Glaess [gla...@glaessixs.de] wrote: > > Holger Glaess [gla...@glaessixs.de] wrote: > >> hi > >> > >> can some tell me what the status is for 5.9 octeon port ? > >> > >> is the usb port stable enough to handle an harddisk ? > > > > Yes although there may be more speed optimization possible > > > > > hi > > what about the hardware acceleration functions of > an Edgerouter Lite/POE ? > Nobody is working on that at the moment.
Re: general xdg-open configuration
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 04:15:50PM +, Mike Burns wrote: > On 2016-02-18 17.11.03 +0100, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > > I appear to need to modify the default application used > > by xdg-open to open a file directory. The man page of xdg-open > > is not very helpful. Can anybody tell me what is the right > > and general (I run fvwm) system-wide file on openbsd to edit? > > Sadly not entirely straightforward, but the ArchWiki has the details that the > man page should have had: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open You were too fast, +1 for above wiki page. j.
Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?
Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:12:58 -0500 Eric Furman > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 09:10 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:36:35 -0500 Eric Furman > > > Now I'm off to the GNU & Linux lists to spread the gospel of OpenBSD! > ^ > > Whoa whoa whoa, that is not what I wrote. > I wrote OS400 and it was a joke. So appears to be the outrageous topic, well covering up the shocking facts that new-ware bugs are becoming more and excruciatingly deadlier fatal ever since last leap leap year. What an example NOT to get inspired from: rewriting Unix poorly. > I'm not going to anybody's list and preaching anything. > Just to get that clear. Leave that to me, as previously agreed, !not joking again. Exactly like when asked if being approached by a three letter agency for special code agreements, known to have at least one happening on commercialised kernels. One of them examples again, any patterns? Must be a political thing that comes with infectious spread, gladly affecting only operating systems like tools with legal departments. > > Better, influence highly skilled programmers, friends, colleagues, > > partners, clients, the wide public, classmates, coeds, teachers, book > > authors and everyone important of the truly free good licenses: > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html > > > > Most projects out of misinformation pick what some other project did > > before them and get stuffed with the dysfunctional limiting newer and > > older versions of the non-Unix recurring acronym advocates of > > incompatible with freedom politics. Quality software projects first! > > > > Then educate the worthy developers of useful programs to benefit from > > and improve their own software products by using correct and free > > standard compliant coding practices and innovation from the OpenBSD > > project: > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/innovations.html > > > > Also, popularise to the wide global public that software running > > successfully on OpenBSD and designed to benefit from the modern best > > current practices in OpenBSD is inherently multiple orders of magnitude > > better offset from the start compared to portable incapable slow > > adoption single kernel only platforms targeting mass consumption only. > > > > And for the business users, let them know that OpenBSD is chosen by > > many more industry leading companies from all over the world for the > > first class quality of example setting software, that is actually in > > active live maintenance for more than 20 years and brought tools and > > solution all of them use without even realising it most of the time. > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/ > > > > OpenBSD provides the best development platform possible and much much > > more, goals of the project are continuously being met with successful > > continuation with each release and more over in between: > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html > > > > But before all this, why not just help test the upcoming release by > > running latest snapshots and not care for any incoming distractions? > > > > The example OpenBSD sets is quality, ease of use, best developers, and > > widest adopted true solutions.
Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?
Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:36:35 -0500 Eric Furman > Now I'm off to the GNU & Linux lists to spread the gospel of OpenBSD! Better, influence highly skilled programmers, friends, colleagues, partners, clients, the wide public, classmates, coeds, teachers, book authors and everyone important of the truly free good licenses: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html Most projects out of misinformation pick what some other project did before them and get stuffed with the dysfunctional limiting newer and older versions of the non-Unix recurring acronym advocates of incompatible with freedom politics. Quality software projects first! Then educate the worthy developers of useful programs to benefit from and improve their own software products by using correct and free standard compliant coding practices and innovation from the OpenBSD project: http://www.openbsd.org/innovations.html Also, popularise to the wide global public that software running successfully on OpenBSD and designed to benefit from the modern best current practices in OpenBSD is inherently multiple orders of magnitude better offset from the start compared to portable incapable slow adoption single kernel only platforms targeting mass consumption only. And for the business users, let them know that OpenBSD is chosen by many more industry leading companies from all over the world for the first class quality of example setting software, that is actually in active live maintenance for more than 20 years and brought tools and solution all of them use without even realising it most of the time. http://www.openbsd.org/ OpenBSD provides the best development platform possible and much much more, goals of the project are continuously being met with successful continuation with each release and more over in between: http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html But before all this, why not just help test the upcoming release by running latest snapshots and not care for any incoming distractions? The example OpenBSD sets is quality, ease of use, best developers, and widest adopted true solutions.
Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?
Please take this offline. On 2016 Feb 18 (Thu) at 06:26:21 +0200 (+0200), li...@wrant.com wrote: :Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:12:58 -0500 Eric Furman :> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 09:10 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: :> > Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:36:35 -0500 Eric Furman :> > > Now I'm off to the GNU & Linux lists to spread the gospel of OpenBSD! :> ^ :> :> Whoa whoa whoa, that is not what I wrote. :> I wrote OS400 and it was a joke. : :So appears to be the outrageous topic, well covering up the shocking :facts that new-ware bugs are becoming more and excruciatingly deadlier :fatal ever since last leap leap year. What an example NOT to get :inspired from: rewriting Unix poorly. : :> I'm not going to anybody's list and preaching anything. :> Just to get that clear. : :Leave that to me, as previously agreed, !not joking again. Exactly :like when asked if being approached by a three letter agency for :special code agreements, known to have at least one happening on :commercialised kernels. One of them examples again, any patterns? : :Must be a political thing that comes with infectious spread, gladly :affecting only operating systems like tools with legal departments. : :> > Better, influence highly skilled programmers, friends, colleagues, :> > partners, clients, the wide public, classmates, coeds, teachers, book :> > authors and everyone important of the truly free good licenses: :> > :> > http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html :> > :> > Most projects out of misinformation pick what some other project did :> > before them and get stuffed with the dysfunctional limiting newer and :> > older versions of the non-Unix recurring acronym advocates of :> > incompatible with freedom politics. Quality software projects first! :> > :> > Then educate the worthy developers of useful programs to benefit from :> > and improve their own software products by using correct and free :> > standard compliant coding practices and innovation from the OpenBSD :> > project: :> > :> > http://www.openbsd.org/innovations.html :> > :> > Also, popularise to the wide global public that software running :> > successfully on OpenBSD and designed to benefit from the modern best :> > current practices in OpenBSD is inherently multiple orders of magnitude :> > better offset from the start compared to portable incapable slow :> > adoption single kernel only platforms targeting mass consumption only. :> > :> > And for the business users, let them know that OpenBSD is chosen by :> > many more industry leading companies from all over the world for the :> > first class quality of example setting software, that is actually in :> > active live maintenance for more than 20 years and brought tools and :> > solution all of them use without even realising it most of the time. :> > :> > http://www.openbsd.org/ :> > :> > OpenBSD provides the best development platform possible and much much :> > more, goals of the project are continuously being met with successful :> > continuation with each release and more over in between: :> > :> > http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html :> > :> > But before all this, why not just help test the upcoming release by :> > running latest snapshots and not care for any incoming distractions? :> > :> > The example OpenBSD sets is quality, ease of use, best developers, and :> > widest adopted true solutions. : -- I often quote myself; it adds spice to my conversation. -- G. B. Shaw
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On 2/17/16, Andy Bradford wrote: > Anyway, just some musings. Is there anyone else out there using > lpr/lpd/lprm from base? Maybe I'm the only one? yep. been using it for many years with many different HP and Brother network printers. --patrick
IPsec config with dynamic IP.
I have an IPSec VPN endpoint running on OpenBSD on a cable modem. Technically it has a dynamic IP but in practice the IP only changes about once every 3 ~ 5 years. I run ddclient on the OpenBSD box to maintain the dns name of the box so I can find it and that's working well. My ipsec configuration is base on certificates. Thus, my single point of failure is DNS resolution. And my failure modality is that things won't configure if DNS is unavailable. Specifically, my problem is with startup of the ipsec infrastructure. I get this error at startup: starting early daemons: syslogd pflogd ntpd isakmpd. no IP address found for ike-v1.example.com /etc/ipsec.conf: 15: could not parse host specification no IP address found for ike-v1.example.com /etc/ipsec.conf: 26: could not parse host specification no IP address found for ike-v1.example.com /etc/ipsec.conf: 35: could not parse host specification ipsecctl: Syntax error in config file: ipsec rules not loaded starting RPC daemons:. savecore: no core dump checking quotas: done. clearing /tmp kern.securelevel: 0 -> 1 creating runtime link editor directory cache. preserving editor files. starting network daemons: sshd snmpd rtadvd smtpd. starting package daemons: squid isc_named netsnmpd. starting local daemons: cron. Logging into the box and doing: # rcctl restart isakmpd ... # ipsecctl -F -f /etc/ipsec.conf ... Makes everything good again. This leads to a few questions: My box cannot resolve the name "ike-v1.example.com" until after isc_named is started which happens way late in the bootup process. I've noticed that the rcctl manpage mentions changing the startup order. * Can I affect this change at all since isakmpd is a base system service and isc_named is in pkg_scripts? Just restarting isakmpd doesn't load /etc/ipsec.conf. Without a configuration, I'm not sure how useful isakmpd is. * Would it be wise to just add cron job that fires at reboot and uses rcctl to reload isakmpd and then reloads the ipsec configuration? As always, it's possible that I'm completely missing something here. I'm always interested in better solutions. Thank you very much, -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*).___o..___..o...ooO..._ Christopher Sean Hilton[chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com]
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2016, Andy Bradford wrote: Anyway, just some musings. Is there anyone else out there using lpr/lpd/lprm from base? Maybe I'm the only one? I never used something else. And if I install a package that bloats my system with cups as dependency, I delete immediatly the package and its dependencies. Perhaps needs lpd some little, well thought improvements, as also many other tools, but I think, in many cases the best to do is to do nothing. Thank you very much for asking. Rodrigo.
Re: startx vs xdm
On Feb 16 19:50:57, h...@stare.cz wrote: > On Feb 16 11:49:58, erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:32:05AM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:15:58AM +0100, Jan Stary wrote: > > > > There seems to be a difference between an X session > > > > initialized by startx(1) and one launched by xdm(1). > > > > > > > > When I start an X session via startx, the settings > > > > specified in ~/.Xresources seem to be honoured. > > > > A session started via xdm(1) does _not_ honour > > > > > > > > XTerm*utf8: true > > > > XTerm*locale: UTF-8 > > > > > > > > and every xterm I start in the running cwm(1) > > > > with ctrl+alt+del has XTERM_LOCALE=C > > > > > > > > On the other hand, an xterm I start with `xterm` > > > > from an already running xterm has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8 > > > > For an xdm(1) session, this is exactly the difference in env(1) > > > > between a ctrl-alt-del started xterm and an `xterm`. > > > > > > > > In a startx(1) session, the xterm started as ctrl-alt-del > > > > already has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8 as per ~/.Xresources > > > > > > > > Is this expected? Is it due to a difference between > > > > an xdm(1) session and a startx(1) session? > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > $ cat ~/.xinit: > > > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > > > xset -b -c dpms 300 600 900 m 2 0 r rate 400 30 s blank s 120 60 > > > > xsetroot -solid black > > > > xrdb ~/.Xresources > > > > > > The above line calling xrdb makes your .Xresources file work. > > > startx reads ~/.xinit while xdm reads ~/.xsession. > > > > I believe that should read ~/.xinitrc according to startx(1)? > > Yes. > > > > Create a .xsession file which matches your .xinit (or use a symlink) > > > and xdm should pick .Xresources up, too. > > Thanks for the hint. However, having a ~/.xsession identical to ~/.xinitrc > still leads to the same behaviour. > > Note that even in a xdm(1) session I do get an UTF8 xterm > IF I launch it from the command line. So the ~/.Xresources > must be consulted at some point. It is just that the xterm > started with cwm's ctrl-alt-del does have XTERM_LOCALE=C On Feb 16 16:22:36, ji...@devio.us wrote: > XDM fires up /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession, easy to read. One can even > customize XDM and all other things in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config. > > It should be `xrdb -load $file'. -load is the default (To be sure, adding it makes no difference.) On Feb 18 02:28:35, mark.hellew...@gmail.com wrote: > If you call the file .Xdefaults it will be used in both scenarios My .Xdefaults is a symlink to .Xresources and .xsession is a symlink to .xinitrc. But that's not it - my .xsession (-> .xinitrc) _is_ processed, because cwm is launched, as opposed to the default fvwm. And my .Xresources (= .Xdefaults) _is_ loaded, because the xterms I start from the cmdline with `xterm` do have the UTF8 locale set. Also, $ env [...] XENVIRONMENT=/home/hans/.Xresources > with no need for the `xrdb` command. Thanks. Yes, even if I do not xrdb explicitly, the .Xdefauls (= .Xresources) gets loaded. But the original problem remains: any xterm started with cwm's ctrl-alt-del reports XTERM_LOCALE=C in env(1), while an xterm started as `xterm` has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8, as discated by "XTerm*locale: UTF-8" in .Xresources. Is it a cwm thing after all? Jan
Re: startx vs xdm
> My .Xdefaults is a symlink to .Xresources > and .xsession is a symlink to .xinitrc. > > But that's not it - my .xsession (-> .xinitrc) _is_ processed, > because cwm is launched, as opposed to the default fvwm. > And my .Xresources (= .Xdefaults) _is_ loaded, because > the xterms I start from the cmdline with `xterm` > do have the UTF8 locale set. Also, > > $ env > [...] > XENVIRONMENT=/home/hans/.Xresources > > > with no need for the `xrdb` command. > > Thanks. Yes, even if I do not xrdb explicitly, > the .Xdefauls (= .Xresources) gets loaded. > > But the original problem remains: any xterm started with > cwm's ctrl-alt-del reports XTERM_LOCALE=C in env(1), > while an xterm started as `xterm` has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8, > as discated by "XTerm*locale: UTF-8" in .Xresources. > > Is it a cwm thing after all? Probably not, because if I remove all my .x* files and keep just the .Xdefaults -> .Xresources which specifies the UTF8 locale for xterm, the same thing happens in (the default) fvwm. Namely, the xterm started by default has XTERM_LOCALE=C, and every xterm started from fvwm's menu has XTERM_LOCALE=C, but every xterm I start as `xterm` (from another xterm) has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8, as specified in.Xdefaults. Why is that? Am I missing something obvious? Jan
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016, Tobias Ulmer wrote: No really, it is outdated beyond rescue. If you want to write a new print job queueing system, sure, have fun. Maybe you can come up with a 'cups' that doesn't suck? Well, let me say my opinion. I think BSD and Unix is also "outdated beyond rescue", but we are really not better than Windoze Users and still use it. Inertia. Custom. The inventors of Unix recognized that Unix is obsolete and developed Plan9. Also the developers of Linux distributions recognize that they dont need unix, because in Linux distributions, as in MacOS, you dont recognize Unix in the surface, not only "lpr", but also "cd", "ls", "mv", "cp", etc are not necessary for normal Linux and MacOS users. Maybe he can come up with a new operating system that doesn't suck? Rodrigo.
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On 02/17/2016 12:49, Chris Bennett wrote: After reading up on printers in use, I discovered that there is significant use of line printers due to their very low cost of consumables, production of a very long lasting output, unlike laser/thermal/inkjet printers and high reliability. Is anyone using these in a high volume output setting (not like a restaurant or other low volume)? If not using, but would like to, what is broken, missing or otherwise wrong with our lpd/lpr system? I do see that lpc, lpq, lprm are dinosaurs and have to be made extinct and replaced with something more functional with more information output and better capabilities. Thanks, Chris Bennett CUPS installs AVAHI. That is a security risk - it attempts to change DNS lookups, etc. Any package which pulls in something as disastrous as avahi isn't welcome here. lpr et al are primitive. They work fine for me and have worked fine at all the places I worked except one which was Linux-centric. I just created and will submit to ports a version of ghostscript which doesn't pull in cups - it turns out the configuration has a switch for that case. Geoff Steckel
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On 02/17/2016 12:49, Chris Bennett wrote: After reading up on printers in use, I discovered that there is significant use of line printers due to their very low cost of consumables, production of a very long lasting output, unlike laser/thermal/inkjet printers and high reliability. Is anyone using these in a high volume output setting (not like a restaurant or other low volume)? If not using, but would like to, what is broken, missing or otherwise wrong with our lpd/lpr system? I do see that lpc, lpq, lprm are dinosaurs and have to be made extinct and replaced with something more functional with more information output and better capabilities. Thanks, Chris Bennett I'm not sure what measure of "better" you're trying to apply. lpr et al. don't have a GUI. One could be wrapped around them. They don't do dynamic autoconfiguration. In an industrial environment autoconfiguration can be very bad. (examples like directing confidential output somewhere unexpected) I worked for a company that ran as many IBM 1403 printers as they could buy. Line printers are very simple to run. They don't need elaborate output filters. The only function I can think of that lpr doesn't have is the capability to request a forms change and wait until it has been done. That could be an entirely separate subsystem invoked by lpr. A laptop floating in many places could use something complex like autoconfigure. Again, that could be wrapped around lpr et al. Geoff Steckel
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 04:10:06PM -0500, gwes wrote: > I'm not sure what measure of "better" you're trying to apply. > > lpr et al. don't have a GUI. One could be wrapped around them. > I personally wouldn't want that. Others have said that cups provides nice information for printers in other applications. > They don't do dynamic autoconfiguration. > In an industrial environment autoconfiguration can be very bad. > (examples like directing confidential output somewhere unexpected) > I haven't looked at the code from LPRng, but it provides options to use a pool of printers for certain jobs to be sent to. > I worked for a company that ran as many IBM 1403 printers as > they could buy. Line printers are very simple to run. > They don't need elaborate output filters. > > The only function I can think of that lpr doesn't have is > the capability to request a forms change and wait until > it has been done. That could be an entirely separate subsystem > invoked by lpr. When you say forms change, are you talking about paper size/type changing or something else? > > A laptop floating in many places could use something > complex like autoconfigure. Again, that could be wrapped > around lpr et al. I've been in many places where many wifi printers were wide open and in several adjacent businesses. > > Geoff Steckel
Re: startx vs xdm
Thu, 18 Feb 2016 21:44:08 +0100 Jan Stary > > My .Xdefaults is a symlink to .Xresources > > and .xsession is a symlink to .xinitrc. > > Why is that? Am I missing something obvious? $ grep xrdb .xinitrc [[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources [[ -f ~/.Xdefaults ]] && xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults $ man xrdb -merge This option indicates that the input should be merged and lexicographically sorted with, instead of replacing, the current contents of the specified properties.
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On 02/18/2016 16:33, Chris Bennett wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 04:10:06PM -0500, gwes wrote: . They don't do dynamic autoconfiguration. In an industrial environment autoconfiguration can be very bad. (examples like directing confidential output somewhere unexpected) I haven't looked at the code from LPRng, but it provides options to use a pool of printers for certain jobs to be sent to. I think that case is rare but should be considered. The only function I can think of that lpr doesn't have is the capability to request a forms change and wait until it has been done. That could be an entirely separate subsystem invoked by lpr. When you say forms change, are you talking about paper size/type changing or something else? Forms change can mean size, material, preprinted forms, ribbon, type chain, etc.. pretty much anything beyond "change input tray". One more function that I can think of is scheduled access dept. A from 4:00am to 11:00am, dept. B from 11:01 to 14:00, etc. I've been in many places where many wifi printers were wide open and in several adjacent businesses. Ouch! The case for retiring lpr et al really depends on your use model. One size fits all could be difficult. How much access and use control? How much initial setup? How much per-user setup? How many printers and per-printer setup? As you mention, wifi printers are common. Without access control, they short-circuit any administration. Then anyone with the password can do anything. A piece of javascript and a browser would give users as much control as is possible. So... wired printers - again, if they are open on the net, access control is difficult or impossible. A very few I've heard of have per-IP access control. Either of these two cases really are "submit" and "monitor for done". The only central administration that's possible is to recommend which printer someone is to use. IMnotsoHO, lpr works fine for these cases. The user selects which printer to use and then queues the job. Automatic printer discovery could be a boon or a disaster. Better reporting of printer errors and daemons not running and easy restart would be good. Wired printers on a host have two cases. The simple subcase: printer is a general resource that happens to be connected to a machine that's really someone's workstation, etc. Here, the biggest problem is setting up a server daemon. I think the previous cover 90% of use. What improvements do these categories need? Once you have multiple printers, things get complex. It's probably one for businesses. Is there any IT staff? The VAX/VMS print spooler probably has a lot of the controls for this case. It assumes an operator. My take: the interface to lpr, lpd, etc could be cleaned up. For most uses, the functionality is adequate. Adding a "find a printer" program would help. The complex case, well, how much work do you want to put in defining requirements? None of this, of course, covers running out of paper when all the stores are closed. Geoff Steckel
Re: startx vs xdm
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 at 07:49 Jan Stary wrote: > Why is that? Am I missing something obvious? > What happens if you launch terminals using the `uxterm` shell script? Mark Jan
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
gwes [g...@oat.com] wrote: > > I just created and will submit to ports a version > of ghostscript which doesn't pull in cups - it > turns out the configuration has a switch for that case. > aren't there plenty of simple pre-processor scripts that people are using with lp to turn whatever into some output for simple dumb printers? CUPS is so annoying and stupid, it's not even funny christopher
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
Thus said Chris Cappuccio on Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:09:38 -0800: > aren't there plenty of simple pre-processor scripts that people are > using with lp to turn whatever into some output for simple dumb > printers? CUPS is so annoying and stupid, it's not even funny Perhaps apsfilter? Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 400056c676d2
Get detailed keyboard input on OpenBSD, without depending on X
Hi misc, I am writing some code. My program will need detailed keyboard input, like key press and key release. I know I can get this setup with X (SDL too, which depends on X), but since I don't necessarily need a GUI, it wouldn't be cool opening a window just to get the keyboard. I read on the internet that ncurses also don't detect key release, so it is also out of the list. So, since the only alternative I found was X. I started to look about getting raw keyboard input, dismembering input from the graphics stack (maybe create a lib), and search if there is any other program that already did this. I read wskbd(4), but It basically talks only about devices. Playing with "/dev/wskbd*" I didn't saw a light on it, since for example once the X is using the keyboard, this file stay "idle"; The only piece of example was the propper X code, on xf86-input-keyboard, but it is a hard code, wih lots of #ifdefs. Hard to get into without much information, and not being not that good on C programming. So I decided before getting into it, ask here on the ml, if anyone already faced this problem, knows any fix, workaround, or else can point me better documentation about the OpenBSD keyboard driver. I think that having a _default_ way of getting input (if there isn't one yet) enough detailed, would be great, and then turn into the way that all applications get input on OpenBSD, from ncurses to X, would improve a lot the system. Or even turn that into a independent lib, which one could use in any type of application, dismembering it from graphics libs, or any other dependency. Do you guys think there is a way of doing that? Thanks for the attention, correct me any mistake; -- Regards, Henrique N. Lengler
Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 06:58:07PM -0700, Andy Bradford wrote: > Thus said Chris Cappuccio on Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:09:38 -0800: > > > aren't there plenty of simple pre-processor scripts that people are > > using with lp to turn whatever into some output for simple dumb > > printers? CUPS is so annoying and stupid, it's not even funny > > Perhaps apsfilter? > > Andy I have found that apsfilter has a brutally slow filter. Works, but go get coffee for a simple printjob. Chris
Re: startx vs xdm
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 09:44:08PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote: > Probably not, because if I remove all my .x* files > and keep just the .Xdefaults -> .Xresources which > specifies the UTF8 locale for xterm, the same thing > happens in (the default) fvwm. Namely, > the xterm started by default has XTERM_LOCALE=C, > and every xterm started from fvwm's menu has XTERM_LOCALE=C, > but every xterm I start as `xterm` (from another xterm) > has XTERM_LOCALE=cs_CZ.UTF-8, as specified in.Xdefaults. > > Why is that? Am I missing something obvious? > > Jan > Why don't you just set LC_CTYPE in your environment as described here? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#locales Do you really want to set a separate UTF-8 flag for every application you use? I think per-application locale knobs are silly. They are legacy cruft added before somewhat standardized locale support was built into unix systems. I'm not surprised it doesn't work the way you expect. xterm needs LC_CTYPE set the environment when it calls setlocale(3) and/or whatever other things it does to set up its locale. I haven't looked at xterm code to track down why xrdb locale settings don't apply as you expect, and I'm not going to because you should really just be exporting LC_CTYPE in your xsession and be done with this.
