[MlMt] Mailmate hangs when editing rules
I’m trying to tame my fastmail account by creating a number of nested mailboxes with rules and conditions. (not really relevant, but I’m using my own take on the Johnny Decimal system)… There are about 14 000 messages in my fastmail account. Unfortunately, MailMate hangs very often (as in , three times in the last ten minutes) when editing the mailbox rules. I haven’t been able to nail down a specific action that makes it hang. In some cases, if I wait a minute it will finish whatever task is ongoing and un-hang, but most of the time I’ll have to restart mail mate. Is there a way: - to identifiy wich actions create the hang-up , so I can maybe mitigate them - alternatively to edit the rules “off-line” as it where and then apply them? Thanks!___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Automated filing by tags
I want to use tags as a way to track some of my mail and create nice smart folders, but using IMAP folder is a nice way to manage my mail "on the go" with my iPhone. I have a folder on my mail server called "file cabinet" with subfolders by topics, which map to tags (same names) I want to : * if I save a message to the folder, tag it with the name of the folder * if I tag a message, save it to the corresponding folder (instead of archiving it) So for now, I need to map carefully each tag to a folder and vice versa, and set up the corresponding rules ... it's a pain. Is there a way to specify a generic rule (if the tag is XXX, file in folder file cabinet/XXX) ? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
I’m trying to sort my mailing lists into something halfway manageable and
readable.
If I use the “out of the box” Mailing List mailbox, with the following settings:
Sort for unique values of List-id > description
And name mailboxes as:
${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}
I get a baffling array of names such as:
* 420a598457b46e0aa26a7a673mc list
* 15marches.substack.com
* 245.44880.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
* 245.44922.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
It seems some people use the list-id to name their lists, others an identifier,
others yet a url ….
And basically, whatever item I choose to sort by, or rename by, I’m never going
to get a proper list of names.
I’ve tried to rename some of the lists, which would work except … some list
managers seem to change list-id’s every few mails, so I have mailing lists
spread over many separate mailboxes …
I’ve started building rules to identify and tag each and every newsletter, but
this is brittle (the ux being what it is, it’s difficult to have rules with
more than 4 or 5 conditions, so I’ve spread out the newsletters over multiple
rules), any new newsletter needs to go through a process….
I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate, that there
aren’t some interesting solutions around …
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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
Yes of course, I'm referring to newsletters. I don't subscribe to many mailing lists apart from this one, and those I do ARE well organised .. On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:44, Jan Erik Moström wrote: On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:28, Paul Atlan wrote: I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate, that there aren’t some interesting solutions around … I'm unsure if you're referring to mailing lists like this one, and/or newsletters. The latter I have no experience with so I can say anything, but mailing lists usually have their mailing list name in the to field so something like "to contains mailinglistaddress" works for me. = jem ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
Thanks for the detailed answer. I guess it makes sense, given the
plurality of tools, and I just need to keep on refining my list of
rules.
Although I may try to see if i can't file them into a newsreader such as
NetNewsWire. It may be able to do the filing for me at minimal effort
...
On 28 Mar 2021, at 23:15, Bill Cole wrote:
On 26 Mar 2021, at 5:28, Paul Atlan wrote:
I’m trying to sort my mailing lists into something halfway
manageable and readable.
If I use the “out of the box” Mailing List mailbox, with the
following settings:
Sort for unique values of List-id > description
And name mailboxes as:
${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}
I get a baffling array of names such as:
* 420a598457b46e0aa26a7a673mc list
* 15marches.substack.com
* 245.44880.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
* 245.44922.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
It seems some people use the list-id to name their lists, others an
identifier, others yet a url ….
And basically, whatever item I choose to sort by, or rename by, I’m
never going to get a proper list of names.
I’ve tried to rename some of the lists, which would work except …
some list managers seem to change list-id’s every few mails, so I
have mailing lists spread over many separate mailboxes …
Yes, this is a problem. It's not so bad for discussion lists like this
one that use mature list managers designed for discussion lists and
generally following both standards and traditions. (e.g. GNU MailMan,
EzMLM, majordomo, etc.) but it is a mess for the the horde of bespoke
tools used by "email marketing" firms, a few score different WordPress
plugins, and random bits of desktop software. You cannot count on any
organizational strategy using solely generalized principles doing the
whole job for the whole universe of mail from sources that are called
"mailing lists."
You need at least some special casing...
I’ve started building rules to identify and tag each and every
newsletter, but this is brittle (the ux being what it is, it’s
difficult to have rules with more than 4 or 5 conditions, so I’ve
spread out the newsletters over multiple rules), any new newsletter
needs to go through a process….
That's the best one can do. Blame senders.
I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate,
that there aren’t some interesting solutions around …
"Interesting" is a complicated term...
I use an embarrassing mix of server-side and MailMate tactics,
including:
0. I run my own mail server and have been doing so for decades. This
has allowed for a sort of genetic/organic development over years.
1. Unique email addresses for every sort of sign-up I do. The only
time I use a simple address for anything is for friends and family.
2. My spam filtering on the server is good enough that I don't get
spam delivered anywhere most weeks, so most of the stuff which would
look like "mailing list" traffic that would be hard to sort out is
just not arriving.
3. I am ashamed to say that I still use procmail to deliver mail from
various mailing lists their own IMAP mailboxes, based on a mix of
target address (see (1) above) and other attributes, including
List-ID. I also have a general catchall mailbox for all of my "tagged"
addresses that lack their own unique mailboxes.
4. In some cases, without any particular pattern other than the age of
my subscription, I have MM rules that watch that catchall of tagged
addresses for particular list traffic and move those messages to their
own IMAP mailboxes.
If there is any pattern to all of that which is relevant to other MM
users, it is that I use the filing of mail into distinct IMAP
mailboxes rather than relying entirely on MM Smart Mailboxes. Maybe
I'm too much of a cynic, but I don't believe that email is or will
ever be as conformant to formal specs and/or informal norms as it
would need to be in order to rely on sweeping logical generalities to
sort how email is presented.
--
Bill Cole
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(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
Marc, this is very elegant.
I'm trying it ASAP.
Thanks
P.
On 4 Apr 2021, at 13:54, Marc ARC wrote:
Paul,
What I use to filter out (marketing)mailing lists from my inbox is the
following:
I defined a Marketing mailbox where I drop a (the first?) mail from
that source
I defined a condition based rule on my inbox:
- if source is in Marketing mailbox
- then move to Marketing mailbox ( or Auto_Marketing mailbox° )
By setting up submailboxes (on the sender) you can then easily see
what is related to which list/sender.
Or on the marketing mailbox you can setup a definition based rule to
move the mails to other mailboxes
Regards,
Marc
On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:28, Paul Atlan wrote:
I’m trying to sort my mailing lists into something halfway
manageable and readable.
If I use the “out of the box” Mailing List mailbox, with the
following settings:
Sort for unique values of List-id > description
And name mailboxes as:
${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}
I get a baffling array of names such as:
* 420a598457b46e0aa26a7a673mc list
* 15marches.substack.com
* 245.44880.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
* 245.44922.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
It seems some people use the list-id to name their lists, others an
identifier, others yet a url ….
And basically, whatever item I choose to sort by, or rename by, I’m
never going to get a proper list of names.
I’ve tried to rename some of the lists, which would work except …
some list managers seem to change list-id’s every few mails, so I
have mailing lists spread over many separate mailboxes …
I’ve started building rules to identify and tag each and every
newsletter, but this is brittle (the ux being what it is, it’s
difficult to have rules with more than 4 or 5 conditions, so I’ve
spread out the newsletters over multiple rules), any new newsletter
needs to go through a process….
I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate,
that there aren’t some interesting solutions around …
Paul.
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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
Sorry,
I must be an idiot.
I'm working on my IMAP Inbox.
I've set up an IMAP box called Newsletters next to it.
I've set up the following rule on the IMAP Inbox:
```
All of the following are true:
Source is in Newsletters Source
---
Move to Mailbox Newsletters
```
But for the life of me I can't get it to work. I've tried using various
variations on Source (Source / No specifier , Source / Mailto) and even
the From field (From / No specifier, From / User ) ... to no avail.
Would you have any idea about what I did wrong?
Thanks
Paul.
On 4 Apr 2021, at 13:54, Marc ARC wrote:
Paul,
What I use to filter out (marketing)mailing lists from my inbox is the
following:
I defined a Marketing mailbox where I drop a (the first?) mail from
that source
I defined a condition based rule on my inbox:
- if source is in Marketing mailbox
- then move to Marketing mailbox ( or Auto_Marketing mailbox° )
By setting up submailboxes (on the sender) you can then easily see
what is related to which list/sender.
Or on the marketing mailbox you can setup a definition based rule to
move the mails to other mailboxes
Regards,
Marc
On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:28, Paul Atlan wrote:
I’m trying to sort my mailing lists into something halfway
manageable and readable.
If I use the “out of the box” Mailing List mailbox, with the
following settings:
Sort for unique values of List-id > description
And name mailboxes as:
${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}
I get a baffling array of names such as:
* 420a598457b46e0aa26a7a673mc list
* 15marches.substack.com
* 245.44880.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
* 245.44922.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
It seems some people use the list-id to name their lists, others an
identifier, others yet a url ….
And basically, whatever item I choose to sort by, or rename by, I’m
never going to get a proper list of names.
I’ve tried to rename some of the lists, which would work except …
some list managers seem to change list-id’s every few mails, so I
have mailing lists spread over many separate mailboxes …
I’ve started building rules to identify and tag each and every
newsletter, but this is brittle (the ux being what it is, it’s
difficult to have rules with more than 4 or 5 conditions, so I’ve
spread out the newsletters over multiple rules), any new newsletter
needs to go through a process….
I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate,
that there aren’t some interesting solutions around …
Paul.
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Re: [MlMt] Utterly baffled by Mailing Lists
Ha!
It's the "new mail" thing that got me.
I thought I could use "Apply rules on selected messages" even on the
inbox.
Works like a charm.
I new there would be an elegant solution somewhere!
Thanks again for your time.
P.
On 8 Apr 2021, at 20:02, Marc ARC wrote:
Paul,
My Bad ( I meant by Source the source the mail comes from so the From
for the rest of us ;-) )
Defined on the Inbox
• If From ( here you can get finer with; address, . . ) is in
Marketing
• Move to whatever you want
Eventually you can check the condition you use with a smart mailbox.
So you see if it gets you the mail you want and also allows you to
clean out not moved mail
On the inbox the rule will only be triggered when new mail comes in.
You can simulate this by dragging a mail from another mailbox to the
inbox
Hope this works now for you
Regards,
Marc
On 8 Apr 2021, at 17:47, Paul Atlan wrote:
Sorry,
I must be an idiot.
I'm working on my IMAP Inbox.
I've set up an IMAP box called Newsletters next to it.
I've set up the following rule on the IMAP Inbox:
```
All of the following are true:
Source is in Newsletters Source
---
Move to Mailbox Newsletters
```
But for the life of me I can't get it to work. I've tried using
various variations on Source (Source / No specifier , Source /
Mailto) and even the From field (From / No specifier, From / User )
... to no avail.
Would you have any idea about what I did wrong?
Thanks
Paul.
On 4 Apr 2021, at 13:54, Marc ARC wrote:
Paul,
What I use to filter out (marketing)mailing lists from my inbox is
the following:
I defined a Marketing mailbox where I drop a (the first?) mail from
that source
I defined a condition based rule on my inbox:
- if source is in Marketing mailbox
- then move to Marketing mailbox ( or Auto_Marketing mailbox° )
By setting up submailboxes (on the sender) you can then easily see
what is related to which list/sender.
Or on the marketing mailbox you can setup a definition based rule to
move the mails to other mailboxes
Regards,
Marc
On 26 Mar 2021, at 10:28, Paul Atlan wrote:
I’m trying to sort my mailing lists into something halfway
manageable and readable.
If I use the “out of the box” Mailing List mailbox, with the
following settings:
Sort for unique values of List-id > description
And name mailboxes as:
${list-id.description:${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.identifier.final-level}}}
I get a baffling array of names such as:
* 420a598457b46e0aa26a7a673mc list
* 15marches.substack.com
* 245.44880.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
* 245.44922.info.alternatives-economiques.fr
It seems some people use the list-id to name their lists, others an
identifier, others yet a url ….
And basically, whatever item I choose to sort by, or rename by,
I’m never going to get a proper list of names.
I’ve tried to rename some of the lists, which would work except
… some list managers seem to change list-id’s every few mails,
so I have mailing lists spread over many separate mailboxes …
I’ve started building rules to identify and tag each and every
newsletter, but this is brittle (the ux being what it is, it’s
difficult to have rules with more than 4 or 5 conditions, so I’ve
spread out the newsletters over multiple rules), any new newsletter
needs to go through a process….
I can’t imagine, with the number of power users using MailMate,
that there aren’t some interesting solutions around …
Paul.
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