[MlMt] Search for messages send to one of my addresses, but where the final address is not in TO or CC

[leo]

Hi all,

When messages send to one of my addresses say 
`mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net` in BCC mode (e.g. when send from a 
mailing list), how can search for them?


Typing in the search field

t mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net

doesn’t find them, because it only looks in the `TO` and `CC` headers. 
I found a way how to list theses messages in a *Smart Mailbox* (via the 
X-Delivered-To message header from the *other* dropdown in the mailbox 
conditions), but I would like to find them in *ad-hoc searches* via the 
search field as well.


An way to do this?

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[MlMt] Search for messages send to one of my addresses, but where the final address is not in TO or CC

[leo]

Hi MailMatelers

For the work with mailing lists I have a (Smart) Folder with some 
interesting first messages which began a thread (like *this* message).


How can I create another Smart Folder which contains all replies to 
these first messages?


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[MlMt] How to a Smart Folder which contains all replies to some messages?

[leo]

*I sent the same message under the wrong subject, please disregard it. 
My apologies for this. Here comes the topic again with the correct 
subject:*


Hi MailMatelers

For the work with mailing lists I have a (Smart) Folder with some 
interesting first messages which began a thread (like *this* message).


How can I create another Smart Folder which contains all replies to 
these first messages?


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Re: [MlMt] Search for messages send to one of my addresses, but where the final address is not in TO or CC

[Michael Nietzold]

Same problem: I have submarines depending on `to->address` then the mails only 
visible in `other`

Von meinem iDingens gesendet...

> Am 08.05.2019 um 11:28 schrieb leo :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> When messages send to one of my addresses say mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net 
> in BCC mode (e.g. when send from a mailing list), how can search for them?
> 
> Typing in the search field
> 
> t mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net
> doesn’t find them, because it only looks in the TO and CC headers. I found a 
> way how to list theses messages in a Smart Mailbox (via the X-Delivered-To 
> message header from the other dropdown in the mailbox conditions), but I 
> would like to find them in ad-hoc searches via the search field as well.
> 
> An way to do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Leo
> 
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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 8 May 2019, at 0:49, Bill Cole wrote:

Tip: don't let other programs do data violence in the MailMate message 
cache.


That’s not always possible. Antivirus software may remove messages 
that contain malware.

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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Michael Dunston]

On 8 May 2019, at 9:37, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 8 May 2019, at 0:49, Bill Cole wrote:

Tip: don't let other programs do data violence in the MailMate 
message cache.


That’s not always possible. Antivirus software may remove messages 
that contain malware.


Basically what I am try to do is use AV software to identify messages in 
my local mail store (about 350k messages), quarantine them, and then use 
MM to delete those messages from the IMAP side so they aren’t 
dowloaded again at some point in the fututre.  Being able to identify 
the messages in MM via a search would make this significantly easier 
than visually scanning the Msg ID column looking for the ones which have 
been quarantined.  Thanks for the responses though.


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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

[Michael Dunston]

On 30 Apr 2019, at 12:43, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

It's worse than that—many organizations have outsourced their email 
to Google. My

university does, though I still run my own mail server…


It is the same situation here.  Although I likely used a @vt.edu account 
when registering Mailmate, our university also unfortunately outsources 
its email to Google.  Our university IT actually stopped support the use 
of desktop email clients a while ago, with the only “official” way 
to access email being the Gmail in a browser.


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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

[Dave C]

“Unofficially” (c; you can have your Gmail mail forwarded to any other account 
which you can then access with any mail client.

Dave


>> It's worse than that—many organizations have outsourced their email to 
>> Google. My
>> university does, though I still run my own mail server…


> It is the same situation here.  Although I likely used a @vt.edu account when 
> registering Mailmate, our university also unfortunately outsources its email 
> to Google.  Our university IT actually stopped support the use of desktop 
> email clients a while ago, with the only “official” way to access email being 
> the Gmail in a browser.
> 
> Michael Dunston
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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Bill Cole]

On 8 May 2019, at 9:37, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 8 May 2019, at 0:49, Bill Cole wrote:

Tip: don't let other programs do data violence in the MailMate 
message cache.


That’s not always possible. Antivirus software may remove messages 
that contain malware.


I understand that: it's broken by design.



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Re: [MlMt] How to a Smart Folder which contains all replies to some messages?

[Bill Cole]

On 8 May 2019, at 7:37, leo wrote:

*I sent the same message under the wrong subject, please disregard it. 
My apologies for this. Here comes the topic again with the correct 
subject:*


Hi MailMatelers

For the work with mailing lists I have a (Smart) Folder with some 
interesting first messages which began a thread (like *this* message).


How can I create another Smart Folder which contains all replies to 
these first messages?


Mailboxes: All Messages

Condition: Thread-id is in (SmartFolder w/interesting 
messages)->Thread-id



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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Bill Cole]

On 8 May 2019, at 12:57, Sam Hathaway wrote:

On May 8, 2019 12:02:05 PM "Bill Cole" 
 wrote:



On 8 May 2019, at 9:37, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 8 May 2019, at 0:49, Bill Cole wrote:


Tip: don't let other programs do data violence in the MailMate
message cache.


That’s not always possible. Antivirus software may remove messages
that contain malware.


I understand that: it's broken by design.


Yes, true, but these are the facts on the ground and it's not 
particularly helpful to tell people "you shouldn't want that" in place 
of answering the question. Sorry, this is a pet peeves of mine.


I did also answer the question. In short: it can't be done.

MM does not actively monitor the existence of message files.

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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Michael Dunston]

On 8 May 2019, at 13:56, Bill Cole wrote:


I did also answer the question. In short: it can't be done.

MM does not actively monitor the existence of message files.


But MM does appear to be internally storing a Msg ID value for each 
message which matches the *.eml file on disk, as these can be enabled as 
a column in View -> Columns and they appear to match the file name of 
the message (in the local file store) as identified by the AV scan.  I 
have tried enabling “Message-Id”, “Message-data-Id”, 
“#Filepath”, “Filename”, “Filename#LC” as searchable fields 
in the Edit -> Find -> Mailbox Search “other” options, but none of 
these seem to be able to find messages by the Msg ID displayed by 
Mailmate or the the *.eml files on disk.  Thanks though.


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Re: [MlMt] Search for messages send to one of my addresses, but where the final address is not in TO or CC

[Randall Gellens]

On 8 May 2019, at 2:28, leo wrote:


Hi all,

When messages send to one of my addresses say 
`mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net` in BCC mode (e.g. when send from a 
mailing list), how can search for them?


Typing in the search field

t mailm...@halloleo.hailmail.net

doesn’t find them, because it only looks in the `TO` and `CC` 
headers. I found a way how to list theses messages in a *Smart 
Mailbox* (via the X-Delivered-To message header from the *other* 
dropdown in the mailbox conditions), but I would like to find them in 
*ad-hoc searches* via the search field as well.


An way to do this?

Thanks,
Leo


Instead of using the search bar, use the command Edit -> Find -> Mailbox 
Search.  This lets you specify any header field for the search.  I 
suggest searching on the "Received" header field for the address in 
question.


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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

[Randall Gellens]

Our university IT actually stopped support the use of desktop email 
clients a while ago, with the only “official” way to access email 
being the Gmail in a browser.


That's shockingly bad for any organization, but especially a university, 
in my view.


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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Randall Gellens]

I don't know anything about the anti-virus software you're using, so I 
ask: is it possible to have it do something besides deleting/moving the 
message files?  Sometimes, anti-malware software can be integrated into 
mail delivery so that messages are marked (or rejected by the server).  
If you're running the software locally, is it possible to have it 
generate a report that lists something in the message that could be then 
used in a script to have MM delete the messages?


--Randall

On 8 May 2019, at 13:08, Michael Dunston wrote:


On 8 May 2019, at 13:56, Bill Cole wrote:


I did also answer the question. In short: it can't be done.

MM does not actively monitor the existence of message files.


But MM does appear to be internally storing a Msg ID value for each 
message which matches the *.eml file on disk, as these can be enabled 
as a column in View -> Columns and they appear to match the file name 
of the message (in the local file store) as identified by the AV scan. 
 I have tried enabling “Message-Id”, “Message-data-Id”, 
“#Filepath”, “Filename”, “Filename#LC” as searchable 
fields in the Edit -> Find -> Mailbox Search “other” options, but 
none of these seem to be able to find messages by the Msg ID displayed 
by Mailmate or the the *.eml files on disk.  Thanks though.


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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

Our university IT actually stopped support the use of desktop email 
clients a while ago, with the only “official” way to access email 
being the Gmail in a browser.


That's shockingly bad for any organization, but especially a 
university, in my view.




Sadly not uncommon.
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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Michael Dunston]

On 8 May 2019, at 17:33, Randall Gellens wrote:

If you're running the software locally, is it possible to have it 
generate a report that lists something in the message that could be 
then used in a script to have MM delete the messages?


Our IT area now requires Avast, which apparently does have the ability 
to mark headers for incoming mail when the “mail shield” component 
is enabled, but the only option when scans are run manually is to 
quarantine the necessary *.elm files directly by moving them into a 
“chest”.  It does show the full path for files (messages) with 
problems though, which is where I was getting the message ID from.  But 
unfortunately the report with this information appears to be just for 
display of the information, without any ability to export the list of 
files as text or even copy for pasting into something else.  The file 
path data can be copied via a contextual menu, but only for each one 
individually.


In the end I just enabled the Msg Id column, sorted by that, and went 
through the list by visually scanning the Msg Ids to locate the items 
quarantined in the report.   It took longer to do it this way, but 
having the ability to view and sort by Msg Id at least made it possible. 
 Thanks again!



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