RE: Going back without using the Toolbar
Hi Chris. Command-left bracket Tony Hernandez http://DutyOfMan.net/ Para oir y bajar la Biblia Sagradas Escrituras Versión Antigua en MP3, visite http://dutyofman.net/biblia-audio/ -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Peppel Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Going back without using the Toolbar Hi Everybody, Is there a way I can go back to the previous page in Safari without going to the toolbar each time? Thanks for your help. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3731 - Release Date: 06/28/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
introduction
Hi all. I'm Tony Hernandez, and I just joined today. I see from the archives that this group has been around for quite some time. I just ordered a not so new MacBook and haven't even received it yet, but I hope to hit the ground running with Voice Over. I can already see this group is full of kind people. I hope to be able to help others soon as well. Now, of course, I do have a question. Proofreading is part of my job, and although I do have a, dare I say it, Windows PC to do it with, I might switch everything to the Mac at some point in the future. I am able to use the windows screen reader to tell when something is either in all caps or in proper case. Can this be done with Voice Over? I'll probably find out the answer to this in due course as I play with the Voice Over Utility, etc., but I've been itching to know this for a long time. I might need to know about it if Objective C has any case-sensitive keywords or variable syntax, etc. Of course if it doesn't give that feedback, it's far from a deal breaker. I have no need to use my Mac for my regular job. I'm very excited to get a Mac. I've been salivating over them since Mike Arrigo demonstrated voice Over. I already have an iPod Touch. the most challenging thing so far for me regarding Apple is resisting the temptation to be the ever-criticized fan boy. Lol. Hard not to be loyal to a mainstream company that would make its own screen reader, do a wonderful job on it, and include it with its $30 operating system at no extra charge. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: introduction
Hey there Ishe. Do I need to pay for the developer ID before I can download the SDK? Thanks a lot for the enthusiastic response. I'm absolutely nuts with anticipation of getting the Mac. I even had a dream about it last night. I just know it's going to be a very pleasant and positive experience. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: introduction Hi T, Sure, you will love it the day the Mac will hit your doorstep. VO has a way to show that the word is in all caps. You have many ways to know when a letter is in caps, either by the raising of the pitch or a tone. Even deleting words, it will tell you in a low pitch that is unmistakable. Well, about Objective C. Just like all the derivatives of C, it is case sensitive. I hope you won't have any problems here if you'd been used to C, Java, C++ or even the C# on Windows. XCode is the equivalent of Visual Studio on Mac, except that if you want to develop apps, you can also develop those for the iOS devices. It is free to download from the Apple site once you are registered as a developer. However, you only have to pay $100 to Apple so that you can get the developer ID and be able to put your apps in the App Store. Wish you all the best in your journey. Know what? You will find that you will convert full time to Mac before you're aware of it. You will use it for the job and yeah, about you not being a fan, you will be a zealous fanatic of Apple products before the end of four weeks: plus r minus! Cheers, Ishe On 17 Apr,2011, at 10:41 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: Hi all. I'm Tony Hernandez, and I just joined today. I see from the archives that this group has been around for quite some time. I just ordered a not so new MacBook and haven't even received it yet, but I hope to hit the ground running with Voice Over. I can already see this group is full of kind people. I hope to be able to help others soon as well. Now, of course, I do have a question. Proofreading is part of my job, and although I do have a, dare I say it, Windows PC to do it with, I might switch everything to the Mac at some point in the future. I am able to use the windows screen reader to tell when something is either in all caps or in proper case. Can this be done with Voice Over? I'll probably find out the answer to this in due course as I play with the Voice Over Utility, etc., but I've been itching to know this for a long time. I might need to know about it if Objective C has any case-sensitive keywords or variable syntax, etc. Of course if it doesn't give that feedback, it's far from a deal breaker. I have no need to use my Mac for my regular job. I'm very excited to get a Mac. I've been salivating over them since Mike Arrigo demonstrated voice Over. I already have an iPod Touch. the most challenging thing so far for me regarding Apple is resisting the temptation to be the ever-criticized fan boy. Lol. Hard not to be loyal to a mainstream company that would make its own screen reader, do a wonderful job on it, and include it with its $30 operating system at no extra charge. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Objective C was RE: introduction
Hi. Thanks again. I don't have much money; in fact I think I'm done spending much on anything but food and clothing and shelter after buying the Mac. Is there good documentation on Objective C for someone with some programming experience? I have done a little bit of PERL programming and a very small amount of C++, as well as plenty of JAWS scripting and some Java in school. I understand the concept of objects and know HTML pretty well. It will probably be a somewhat uphill slope learning Objective C, but I believe I can do it. I just need a boost. This Mac is a business investment, as I'm sure those of you who are reading this thread have already gathered. Again, Thank you. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:43 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: introduction Hi Tony, No you register for free as an Apple developer. The process is quite easy and smooth. However, you have to pay $100 if you want to post an app into the App Store. This virtually means that XCode is free. The only condition for downloading it is that you must be registered as an Apple developer. Cheers, Ishe On 18 Apr,2011, at 3:04 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: Hey there Ishe. Do I need to pay for the developer ID before I can download the SDK? Thanks a lot for the enthusiastic response. I'm absolutely nuts with anticipation of getting the Mac. I even had a dream about it last night. I just know it's going to be a very pleasant and positive experience. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: introduction Hi T, Sure, you will love it the day the Mac will hit your doorstep. VO has a way to show that the word is in all caps. You have many ways to know when a letter is in caps, either by the raising of the pitch or a tone. Even deleting words, it will tell you in a low pitch that is unmistakable. Well, about Objective C. Just like all the derivatives of C, it is case sensitive. I hope you won't have any problems here if you'd been used to C, Java, C++ or even the C# on Windows. XCode is the equivalent of Visual Studio on Mac, except that if you want to develop apps, you can also develop those for the iOS devices. It is free to download from the Apple site once you are registered as a developer. However, you only have to pay $100 to Apple so that you can get the developer ID and be able to put your apps in the App Store. Wish you all the best in your journey. Know what? You will find that you will convert full time to Mac before you're aware of it. You will use it for the job and yeah, about you not being a fan, you will be a zealous fanatic of Apple products before the end of four weeks: plus r minus! Cheers, Ishe On 17 Apr,2011, at 10:41 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: Hi all. I'm Tony Hernandez, and I just joined today. I see from the archives that this group has been around for quite some time. I just ordered a not so new MacBook and haven't even received it yet, but I hope to hit the ground running with Voice Over. I can already see this group is full of kind people. I hope to be able to help others soon as well. Now, of course, I do have a question. Proofreading is part of my job, and although I do have a, dare I say it, Windows PC to do it with, I might switch everything to the Mac at some point in the future. I am able to use the windows screen reader to tell when something is either in all caps or in proper case. Can this be done with Voice Over? I'll probably find out the answer to this in due course as I play with the Voice Over Utility, etc., but I've been itching to know this for a long time. I might need to know about it if Objective C has any case-sensitive keywords or variable syntax, etc. Of course if it doesn't give that feedback, it's far from a deal breaker. I have no need to use my Mac for my regular job. I'm very excited to get a Mac. I've been salivating over them since Mike Arrigo demonstrated voice Over. I already have an iPod Touch. the most challenging thing so far for me regarding Apple is resis
RE: Objective C was RE: introduction
Hi there Esther, Barry, Ishe, et al. I really appreciate how friendly and kind you've all been to this newby. These suggestions are wonderful, and I intend to make use of them all. Do the O'Reilly books assume much programming experience? Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Objective C was RE: introduction Hi Tony, You mentioned in your Intro post that you have an iPod Touch. Go to the iBooks Store and pick up some of the free Apple Developer Publications. There are 6 of them, with 3 covering iOS specific topics (Human Interface Guide, Application Programming, and Technology Overview), and 3 more on general programming topics (Objective C Programming, Object-Oriented Programming, and a Guide to Cocoa Fundamentals -- which is the basis of the OS X programming environment). Just put "Apple Developer" into the search field. The other thing you can consider doing longer term, is joining Bookshare, but that's $50/year. It includes access to all the computer books published by O'Reilly. Those books are also all available for international Bookshare memberships. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 18, 2011, at 04:10, Tony Hernandez wrote: Hi. Thanks again. I don't have much money; in fact I think I'm done spending much on anything but food and clothing and shelter after buying the Mac. Is there good documentation on Objective C for someone with some programming experience? I have done a little bit of PERL programming and a very small amount of C++, as well as plenty of JAWS scripting and some Java in school. I understand the concept of objects and know HTML pretty well. It will probably be a somewhat uphill slope learning Objective C, but I believe I can do it. I just need a boost. This Mac is a business investment, as I'm sure those of you who are reading this thread have already gathered. Again, Thank you. Tony Hernandez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: introduction
Hi Oriol, Chris, Shawn, Sarah, Matt, et al. Again, I want to thank you for being such a friendly bunch. I feel welcome here. Snow Leopard package arrives tomorrow. Not sure about the Mac yet, as it is being shipped via USPS, which never tracks anything correctly and sometimes sends things well out of the way before they get to their destination. It's gonna be a bit difficult having Mac OS without a Mac to install it on. Lol. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: introduction Actually, they totally killed Alex in lion. I liked how it sounded in snow leopard much, much better. On 4/19/11, Matt Dierckens wrote: > i tried out lion on a school machine, and alex sounds different. We have a > legit copy of the beta on a macbook air, and it looks really promising > On 2011-04-18, at 8:05 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > >> Hey Tony and others. When I read the part where you said that you had a >> dream of getting your Mac, it kinda reminded me of the dreams I've been >> having lately of Lion, the new Mac OS coming this summer. My favorite >> voice when I used A PC was Samantha and when I heard that she along with >> other Realspeak voices will be available for Lion, I was extatic. So >> lately I've been having these dreams of playing with Lion and when I used >> the voices roter, I drempt that I kept pressing VO+Command+Down arrow and >> sure enough, they were there. But the funny thing is, I also drempt while >> performing this sequence that they modified I think it was Vicky or >> Victoria so that she took breaths like Alex does. Not sure if Alex takes >> his signature breaths in Lion or not, but anyway, I wake up and I'm like, >> "Damn! It was just a dream!" It's too bad that Apple closed invitations to >> try out the beta but anyway, Tony, once you get your Mac, you'll never >> want to go back! >> >> Shawn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
a few questions about my new Mac
HI all. Well, it's here, and I'm having a blast, but I do have a couple of questions. Fis is regarding mail. How do I get rid of the preview pane? I don't want my emails to be marked as read just because I select them in the table. The other question is about Skype. How can I get the incoming chat messages to read automatically? I'm sure I will have plenty of other questions, but that' is all for now. I promise I'll try my best to find the answers myself first so I don't get a reputation as a man who wants to be spoon fed. Thanks in advance. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: a few questions about my new Mac
Hi Anne. Oh thank you! That was driving me bonkers. Voice Over is wonderful. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac Hello Tony, On 21 Apr 2011, at 15:20, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Fis is regarding mail. How do I get rid of the preview pane? I don't want my emails to be marked as read just because I select them in the table. To get rid of the preview pane, navigate to the horizontal splitter, make sure that the mouse is actually on it by pressing VO-F5 (bring the mouse to the VO cursor if it isn't there already with VO-Cmd-F5). Then double-click with the trackpad. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
hd not showing up on desktop
HI all. I have been looking around for a way to put the hd on the desktop, but I can't find it. Would someone please tell me how to do this? Thank you in advance. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: a few questions about my new Mac
Hey, Great. Thank you. Thanks to everyone who responds to my queries. This is the friendliest list I've ever been on. I've heard talk in the past about how tight-knit the apple community can be. It seems to be true at least on this forum. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac Hi TOny, As far as Skype is concerned, look into Growl, which you can download from www.growl.info. It supports Skype and many other Mac programs, and will let you configure its notifications in a preference pane. Hope this helps, Zack. On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hi Anne. Oh thank you! That was driving me bonkers. > > Voice Over is wonderful. > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:05 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac > > Hello Tony, > On 21 Apr 2011, at 15:20, Tony Hernandez wrote: >> Fis is regarding mail. How do I get rid of the preview pane? I don't want > my emails to be marked as read just because I select them in the table. > > To get rid of the preview pane, navigate to the horizontal splitter, make > sure that the mouse is actually on it by pressing VO-F5 (bring the mouse to > the VO cursor if it isn't there already with VO-Cmd-F5). Then double-click > with the trackpad. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: a few questions about my new Mac
Hi. I couldn't find anything that mentioned notifications in the version of skype I downloaded right from the official web site. Is it actually there and I'm just missing it? Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:36 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac Hi Tony! I think that growl comes along with Skype 5 now! If you do not like Skype 5point something or other! Some people have gone back to Skype 2.8 And if you go that route you'll have to download Growl as suggested! Colin! I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 22 Apr 2011, at 14:04, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hey, Great. Thank you. > > Thanks to everyone who responds to my queries. This is the friendliest list > I've ever been on. I've heard talk in the past about how tight-knit the > apple community can be. It seems to be true at least on this forum. > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:54 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac > > Hi TOny, > As far as Skype is concerned, look into Growl, which you can download from > www.growl.info. It supports Skype and many other Mac programs, and will let > you configure its notifications in a preference pane. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > >> Hi Anne. Oh thank you! That was driving me bonkers. >> >> Voice Over is wonderful. >> >> Tony Hernandez >> http://dutyofman.net/ >> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every >> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or > whether >> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:05 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac >> >> Hello Tony, >> On 21 Apr 2011, at 15:20, Tony Hernandez wrote: >>> Fis is regarding mail. How do I get rid of the preview pane? I don't want >> my emails to be marked as read just because I select them in the table. >> >> To get rid of the preview pane, navigate to the horizontal splitter, make >> sure that the mouse is actually on it by pressing VO-F5 (bring the mouse > to >> the VO cursor if it isn't there already with VO-Cmd-F5). Then double-click >> with the trackpad. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://group
Re: a few questions about my new Mac
Hi. There doesn't seem to be a way to get the actual messages to speak. Is this correct? On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Just press vopluscoma to open the prefs. Interact with the tool bar. You will > notice a number of tabs from left to right. Notifications is there. HTH > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:09 AM, "Tony Hernandez" wrote: > >> Hi. I couldn't find anything that mentioned notifications in the version of >> skype I downloaded right from the official web site. Is it actually there >> and I'm just missing it? >> >> Tony Hernandez >> http://dutyofman.net/ >> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every >> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether >> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:36 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac >> >> Hi Tony! >> I think that growl comes along with Skype 5 now! >> If you do not like Skype 5point something or other! >> Some people have gone back to Skype 2.8 And if you go that route you'll have >> to download Growl as suggested! >> Colin! >> >> I'm far too bad for Heaven! >> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! >> >> On 22 Apr 2011, at 14:04, Tony Hernandez wrote: >> >>> Hey, Great. Thank you. >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who responds to my queries. This is the friendliest >> list >>> I've ever been on. I've heard talk in the past about how tight-knit the >>> apple community can be. It seems to be true at least on this forum. >>> >>> Tony Hernandez >>> http://dutyofman.net/ >>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every >>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or >> whether >>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline >>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:54 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac >>> >>> Hi TOny, >>> As far as Skype is concerned, look into Growl, which you can download from >>> www.growl.info. It supports Skype and many other Mac programs, and will >> let >>> you configure its notifications in a preference pane. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Zack. >>> On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anne. Oh thank you! That was driving me bonkers. >>>> >>>> Voice Over is wonderful. >>>> >>>> Tony Hernandez >>>> http://dutyofman.net/ >>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring >> every >>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or >>> whether >>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:05 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: a few questions about my new Mac >>>> >>>> Hello Tony, >>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 15:20, Tony Hernandez wrote: >>>>> Fis is regarding mail. How do I get rid of the preview pane? I don't >> want >>>> my emails to be marked as read just because I select them in the table. >>>> >>>> To get rid of the preview pane, navigate to the horizontal splitter, make >>>> sure that the mouse is actually on it by pressing VO-F5 (bring the mouse >>> to >>>> the VO cursor if it isn't there already with VO-Cmd-F5). Then >> double-click >>>> with the trackpad. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> &g
Activating a bookmark in safari
HI everyone. I can't seem to get the bookmark to work. I added it, but when I click show all bookmarks in the bookmark menu and navigate to the table containing the bookmarks, then navigate to the bookmark itself, nothing I do activates it. VO-Space, up and down arrow together in quicknav mode, enter, or command O won't do anything at all. Would someone tell me the procedure for moving to and activating a bookmark? I'd be very grateful. Thank you in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Activating a bookmark in safari
Hi Kimberly. Thank you for this. perhaps they will fix it in future releases. Tony On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > I have no idea why, but you have to VO/shift/M and choose open to activate a > bookmark. > On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > >> HI everyone. >> >> I can't seem to get the bookmark to work. I added it, but when I click show >> all bookmarks in the bookmark menu and navigate to the table containing the >> bookmarks, then navigate to the bookmark itself, nothing I do activates it. >> VO-Space, up and down arrow together in quicknav mode, enter, or command O >> won't do anything at all. Would someone tell me the procedure for moving to >> and activating a bookmark? I'd be very grateful. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
opening a pdf in page or edit text won't work.
Hi all. I'm trying to open a pdf about Objective-C in pages, but it refuses to let me open it. The open button is dimmed in the open with dialog if I choose pages as the application to open the pdf with. I can open it in Edit Text, but all I get is garbage characters. This is the Objective-C book that Barry told me about a while back that I got from the Apple website. I don't like to use the Preview App. I find that I get lost far too easily there. It doesn't seem to keep track of the cursor in the text of the document very well. I'd b much obliged if someone would help me yet again. Tony Hernandez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
extremely frustrated re: reading pfd files
Hi all. I've ben trying all day to get various programs to work well reading PDFs on the Mac and have gotten no where fast. The programs I've tried are Adobe reader 10, Stanza, Skim, Preview, Safari, and Text Edit. These each have bugs that either make the document unreadable or difficult to read, or get hung up. Skim completely freezes when I reach the end of a page and forces me to close it out, which is unacceptable. Stanza does weird things with the spacing and makes the information incomprehensible. Safari doesn't let me interact with the text properly and insists on taking me to the very first page no matter what part of the file is visible when I try to interact with the text. Adobe is completely inaccessible. Text Edit just renders the file as garbage characters. Preview doesn't track my location properly when I read by line, so if I have to start reading by character, I'm completely lost there too. I don't wish to pay for a pdf to text converter because I don't have fond memories of such converters and I don't want to view the information as text. Is there a program out there for the Mac that reads PDF files, doesn't hang up or have quirky and distracting problems tracking the cursor, etc.? So far my experience with viewing pdf files on the Mac has been unhappy and worthy of 1 star. It's quite discouraging. I really, really don't want to have to read all my Objective C stuff on Windows machines. I'm at my wit's end with this and quite disappointed so far. Tony Hernandez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: extremely frustrated re: reading pfd files
Hi Carolyn and Esther. I have the Pages program. It won't open PDFs. After trying to get one open in Pages recently, I wrote to the list and asked about it. Ishe said Pages can only export to PDF. Thank you Esther for that reminder. I do interact with the text in preview. Reading by line works until I want to start examining a line one character at a time. Then It starts reading way at the top of the document, which Simon rightly dubbed a nuisance. I'll try again with PDFs that are not available on iBookas epub files, but I will go with the iPod for reading the epubs. It would be a lot better than having 2 laptops eradiating my mid section at the same time and far less unwieldy. Again, thank you all for your patience and willingness to help and for taking the time to post such detailed messages. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of carolyn Haas Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: extremely frustrated re: reading pfd files Hi Tony: People have done well with getting preview to do this. I haven't ever done well with pdf documents. However, the Pages program will also work with pdf. And you can buy just that app from the mac store, which you'll find in your Apple menu, (vo-shift-M and vo-arrow down to mac store. HTH Carolyn On Apr 23, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hi all. > > I've ben trying all day to get various programs to work well reading PDFs on the Mac and have gotten no where fast. The programs I've tried are Adobe reader 10, Stanza, Skim, Preview, Safari, and Text Edit. These each have bugs that either make the document unreadable or difficult to read, or get hung up. Skim completely freezes when I reach the end of a page and forces me to close it out, which is unacceptable. Stanza does weird things with the spacing and makes the information incomprehensible. Safari doesn't let me interact with the text properly and insists on taking me to the very first page no matter what part of the file is visible when I try to interact with the text. Adobe is completely inaccessible. Text Edit just renders the file as garbage characters. Preview doesn't track my location properly when I read by line, so if I have to start reading by character, I'm completely lost there too. I don't wish to pay for a pdf to text converter because I don't have fond memories of such converters and I don't want to view the information as text. Is there a program out there for the Mac that reads PDF files, doesn't hang up or have quirky and distracting problems tracking the cursor, etc.? So far my experience with viewing pdf files on the Mac has been unhappy and worthy of 1 star. It's quite discouraging. I really, really don't want to have to read all my Objective C stuff on Windows machines. I'm at my wit's end with this and quite disappointed so far. > > Tony Hernandez > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
trackpad commander
Hi everyone. IS the trackpad commander only functional in certain models of Macbook? I have a 2006 model, which I think is the MA699 or 669. Thanks for any help. Tony Hernandez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: extremely frustrated re: reading pfd files
t a copy of the User Guide for the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad > from iBooks. This is just the same version of the manual you can access > under the bookmarks in Safari, but in ePub format. You have to download > iBooks as a free app from the App Store, since it isn't loaded onto the > device by default. Once you have launched iBooks, just go to the Store of > iBooks and type "Apple Inc." into the search field. There are six user > guides -- two each for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. If you want the one > for the latest version of iOS, make sure the title is "iPhone User Guide for > iOS4.2 and 4.3" (or "iPod Touch User Guide for iOS 4.3" or "iPad User Guide > for iOS 4.3"), since there are also version of each guide for iOS 4.2 only. > These are free, and you can download them onto your device. When you have > opened the book, you can either use the search field or the table of contents > to navigate to the section you want. For example, the buttons on the top of > the screen are "Library", "Table of Contents", "Brightness", "Fonts", > "Search", and "Add Bookmark". So I could flick to the "Search" button, > double tap, then type in "VoiceOver gestures" into the search field. I'll > get a list of matches to my search, listed in order of appearance, along with > the page number and a bit of context. I can flick through the list of > results, and double tap when reach the result I want. The main discussion of > VoiceOver gestures actually starts with the third of the listed matches, > which only returns this as the name of the section. To go to the page I want > from the search, I double tap the entry I want. Then, I can use the two > finger flick down to start reading the section. If I decide that I want to > bookmark the page, I can stop reading (two finger tap), and double tap the > "Add Bookmark" button in the top right corner to create a bookmark. > > Now, let's say that at a later time I want to open the book and return to my > bookmark. iBooks will normally remember the last page you read, and open to > that location, but let's assume that I started reading another section and > now want to return to where I set the bookmark. I'll either touch the > "Library" button in the top left corner or use the gesture to go to the first > element of the screen (now a 4 finger tap in the top of the screen, used to > be a four finger flick up -- which I prefer), then flick right to the "Table > of Contents" button and double tap. This screen has two tabs: one for viewing > "Table of Contents" and one for viewing your "Bookmarks". Flick right to the > button for "Bookmarks, 2 of 2" and double tap. I'm now presented with a list > of bookmarks I have set listed in page number order. I flick right to the > bookmark I want, which is given with a chapter identification, page number, > and date I set the bookmark. To navigate to the bookmark I double tap the > entry. If I want to resume reading, I move back to the first element of the > screen (touch left corner or do your four finger tap on the top of the > screen), and flick right to where the "Table of Contents" button has turned > into a "Resume" button. Double tapping "Resume" takes me back to the page I > was last reading. > > > HTH. > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Apr 23, 2011, at 12:46, Tony Hernandez wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I've ben trying all day to get various programs to work well reading PDFs >> on the Mac and have gotten no where fast. The programs I've tried are Adobe >> reader 10, Stanza, Skim, Preview, Safari, and Text Edit. These each have >> bugs that either make the document unreadable or difficult to read, or get >> hung up. Skim completely freezes when I reach the end of a page and forces >> me to close it out, which is unacceptable. Stanza does weird things with the >> spacing and makes the information incomprehensible. Safari doesn't let me >> interact with the text properly and insists on taking me to the very first >> page no matter what part of the file is visible when I try to interact with >> the text. Adobe is completely inaccessible. Text Edit just renders the file >> as garbage characters. Preview doesn't track my location properly when I >> read by line, so if I have to start reading by character, I'm completely >> lost there too. I don't wish to pay for a pdf to text converter because I >> don't have fond memories of such convert
Re: trackpad commander
Hi Zack. No worries. I just wanted to make sure I was not doing something wrong. It's all good. Thanks for the reply. Tony On Apr 24, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Tony, > I don't know about your specific model of Macbook, but my instinct would be > that it is a bit too early for the multitouch trackpads to have been added. > My own MacBook Pro has one, but it's late 2010. I'm afraid you're probably > out of luck with the trackpad commander, which is a shame because that really > is a nice feature. > Sorry I'm not more encouraging. If you really wanted to, I suppose you could > get a magic trackpad and hook that up, though if you ask me it's more trouble > than its worth. > Best, > Zack. > On Apr 24, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > >> Hi everyone. >> >> IS the trackpad commander only functional in certain models of Macbook? I >> have a 2006 model, which I think is the MA699 or 669. Thanks for any help. >> >> Tony Hernandez >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
cannot find the .m file in Xcode
Hi everyone. In trying to make a hello world program based on a command line tool template, I was instructed to find the .m file to change the code. I could only find a file called "helloWorld", "helloWorld.1", and "main.c." The Objective-C book from Apple still states that the .m file is used, so I wonder what I'm doing wrong. These files are in a table, and they're the only 3 files I can find. I'm sure it's something simple that I'm doing if that .m file does indeed exist. Thanks in advance. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
[no subject]
Hi all. Are there any lists for Mac/iDevice programmers who are blind? I looked on the web, but I can't find anything definitive. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Programming on Mac
Thank you Ishe. I didn't think of the Blind Programming list for that very reason. I completely forgot about it because I was subconsciously assuming it wouldn't be a good resource for mac programming. I apologize for forgetting to put in a subject line. I was retyping this email very rushed after trying to send it from the wrong address initially. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Programming on Mac Okay, I had to put in this subject line to reflect the contents of the thread. Try the Blind Programming list where various languages, including Objective C which is the staple for Mac, are discussed. Although most of the stuff seems to be Windows-biased, but there are many gifted folks there who program on Linux and Macintosh. Their address is: http://www.freelists.org/list/blind-programming HTH, Ishe On 26 Apr,2011, at 5:53 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Tony: Don't know about lists. But, would you please try to remember to fill in the subject line of your posts? Thanks very much and I'm sure someone else will answer this one.:) Enjoy your Mac and your day. Carolyn On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: Hi all. Are there any lists for Mac/iDevice programmers who are blind? I looked on the web, but I can't find anything definitive. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Ishe Mobile number: +263 772 930 422 WEB URL: www.chinyoka-educational.com Skype ID: sunshinechinyoka -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Programming on Mac
Thank you Ben. You were the one who told me on another list that I'd have to code the interface by hand because it isn't accessible with VO. Do you or does anyone else know about any Xcode tutorials or other type of material for learning Xcode from a blindness perspective? I have plenty of material on Objective-C and Cocoa, but they all have some visual elements that make things more difficult. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Programming on Mac The mv-dev list would probably be better; its a partner of this one of sorts. http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev?hl=en&pli=1 Hth, Ben. On 26/04/2011, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Thank you Ishe. I didn't think of the Blind Programming list for that very > reason. I completely forgot about it because I was subconsciously assuming > it wouldn't be a good resource for mac programming. I apologize for > forgetting to put in a subject line. I was retyping this email very rushed > after trying to send it from the wrong address initially. > > > > Tony Hernandez > > http://dutyofman.net/ > > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:26 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Programming on Mac > > > > Okay, I had to put in this subject line to reflect the contents of the > thread. > > > > Try the Blind Programming list where various languages, including Objective > C which is the staple for Mac, are discussed. Although most of the stuff > seems to be Windows-biased, but there are many gifted folks there who > program on Linux and Macintosh. Their address is: > http://www.freelists.org/list/blind-programming > > > > HTH, > > > > Ishe > > > > On 26 Apr,2011, at 5:53 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tony: > > Don't know about lists. But, would you please try to remember to fill in > the subject line of your posts? Thanks very much and I'm sure someone else > will answer this one.:) > > Enjoy your Mac and your day. > > > > Carolyn > > > > On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > Are there any lists for Mac/iDevice programmers who are blind? I looked on > the web, but I can't find anything definitive. > > > > Tony Hernandez > > http://dutyofman.net/ > > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > Ishe > > Mobile number: +263 772 930 422 > WEB URL: www.chinyoka-educational.com > Skype ID: sunshinechinyoka > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://grou
indication of levels when navigating the finder and reading of lines in web pages
Hi all. I have been going through the custom verbosity options to try to get voiceover to say the level of an item when navigating directories in the finder before speaking the finder item. I want it to say something like, level 1, applications, expanded. I've tried several things without success. I'd appreciate any help with this. How do I get VO to say things that way? also, is there a way to get voiceover to read actual lines in safari? I'm going through web pages in which knowing where a line is is quite important. I've tried turning off quicknav and using the up and down arrow keys, but this doesn't do the trick. I looked for a lines setting in the web rotor like they have on Voiceover for iOS, but no go on that either. It would be great if the web pages would navigate like a word processing document. I realize it's a lot like the Windows screen readers, but I've always found that method of navigating web pages better for learning things like programming syntax. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.
But still too expensive. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc. Andy P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone. "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer." -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. Hello Listers. DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store. Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it. Hope this actually benefits someone. the Infuriated Matt Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.
Hi. I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is what keeps the prices high. It's accepted. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes available? On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: > Hi Kevin > I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked. > Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of > swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple solution > than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very > much work to get a document scanned. > Regards Tony > > > 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves : >> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One question >> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only work >> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan 25? >> Thanks so much. >> >> Kevin >> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >> >>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as >>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc. >>> Andy >>> >>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone. >>> >>> >>> >>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer." >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell >>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on >>> the >>> mac app store. >>> >>> Hello Listers. >>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store. >>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it. >>> Hope this actually benefits someone. >>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > --- > Tony Bernedal > tony.berne...@gmail.com > Blog och info om it och teknik för synskadade. > www.tbteknik.se > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe
RE: indication of levels when navigating the finder and reading of lines in web pages
Hi Ishe. I didn't know one could interact with text. I'll sure be trying that after work. Thank you. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chinyoka on Macbook Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:10 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: indication of levels when navigating the finder and reading of lines in web pages Hi Tony, It's good that you are getting the ropes of this OS. In my limited experience, that about levels I don't know how to set this up. I personally navigate using list view and do not know yet how to move through levels. However, as for reading text on web pages in flat view as in a document, you must first interact with the HTML content. After that, when you want to read text, interact with the text itself. You will see that whenever you use your arrow keys, you will be able to read text. This is how I often do when I want to highlight text for copying to the clipboard or reading the spellings. I guess that some have got their own way of doing it, but I just interact with the text object and navigate the paragraphs comfortably. HTH, Ishe On 29 Apr,2011, at 3:48 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hi all. > > I have been going through the custom verbosity options to try to get voiceover to say the level of an item when navigating directories in the finder before speaking the finder item. I want it to say something like, level 1, applications, expanded. I've tried several things without success. I'd appreciate any help with this. How do I get VO to say things that way? > > also, is there a way to get voiceover to read actual lines in safari? I'm going through web pages in which knowing where a line is is quite important. I've tried turning off quicknav and using the up and down arrow keys, but this doesn't do the trick. I looked for a lines setting in the web rotor like they have on Voiceover for iOS, but no go on that either. It would be great if the web pages would navigate like a word processing document. I realize it's a lot like the Windows screen readers, but I've always found that method of navigating web pages better for learning things like programming syntax. > > Tony > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Ishe Mobile number: +263 772 930 422 WEB URL: www.chinyoka-educational.com Skype ID: sunshinechinyoka -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.
I'd say $150 or so at the absolute highest. Anything much higher than that seems prohibitive to me. Most folks have to work a long time with significant effort to put away $300 after taxes and costs for food, clothing, and shelter. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features? On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hi. > > I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is > what keeps the prices high. It's accepted. > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on > the mac app store. > > Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather > with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the > Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on > the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now > I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the > web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes > available? > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: > >> Hi Kevin >> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked. >> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of >> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple solution >> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very >> much work to get a document scanned. >> Regards Tony >> >> >> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves : >>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One > question >>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only > work >>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan > 25? >>> Thanks so much. >>> >>> Kevin >>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >>> >>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as >>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc. >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer." >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on >>>> the >>>> mac app store. >>>> >>>> Hello Listers. >>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store. >>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it. >>>> Hope this actually benefits someone. >>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>&
RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.
This would be especially important in the legal or medical field or any other field where confidentiality is imperative and in some countries even enforced by the law of the land. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. Buddy, I was seriously considering this product, but honestly not having the ability to scan items locally would likely be a deal killer. Sure the Internet is always on, but I can see where this type of setup may not work in a corporate environment since scanned documents are actually leaving the organization or there may be a time where the internet is not available. On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Not currently, no. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:22 PM, David Tanner wrote: > >> So, is there no way to scan and recognize if you are not connected to the internet? >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Buddy Brannan" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:30 AM >> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store. >> >> >> Hey Jenny, >> >> Read the help file. We worked real hard on that. Seriously, the delay you're seeing is most likely due to the remote OCR. That is to say, the imgae being uploaded to "the cloud" (I really hate that term) for OCR. So you have to have an active Internet connection for it to work. >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Jenny Wood wrote: >> >>> Well, I just downloaded and installed the demo. So far, I like it. I did forget that I had not yet installed the drivers for my flatbed scanner on the mac portion of my macbook pro, so when I attempted to scan for the first time, DocuScan defaulted to using the built-in webcam. However, once I properly installed the scanner, it gave me the choice between the webcam and my scanner. The recognition process took slightly longer than my K1000 typically does, but the quality was actually slightly better. Guess it's a trade-off. In any case, I am loving it so far. I need to play around with it a bit to figure out how to edit and convert files, etc. I will be interested to hear what others think of this product. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jenny Wood >>> Phone: (972) 989-3894 >>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com >>> Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Ashley Cox wrote: >>> >>>> is there a scanner solution out there that can use the mac's webcam? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29/04/2011 12:02, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> Hey Chris, I was only kidding about the camera. I had not heard her demo, so is the demo for the Mac? THe camera from what I gather is $200 additional? I wonder if that camera could be connected to an iOS device, which would be very cool indeed. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't mean to make a big deal about this, but just what do people want? As has been point out, this is half the price and more of some of the other solutions out there and there is a demo which was very well done by Ricky Enger. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes available? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Berne
RE: progress indicator in safari
Hi Denise. Yay! Here's my first time helping a VO user for a change! I don't know about others, but the way I check on a download is: 1. Interact with the download list. 2. Navigate to your download and interact with it. 3. VO to the right to hear a few things including the progress. If you get the file icon, the button to show in finder, and the size of the file but nothing indicating that the download is still going or paused, then it's complete. Hope this helps. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Avant Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: progress indicator in safari Hello all, I am wondering how to see the status of a download in safari? sometimes i mistakenly download a file more than once because i do not know whether the file is being downloaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Porting a python app to mac.
Hi Ash. The Mac has the ability to run Python programs. The length of time would be determined by how long it takes to port the API calls to Voiceover and the skill of the programmer and his/her willingness to learn to do this. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ashley Cox Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Porting a python app to mac. Hey all, As many of you out there may know, there is a twitter client for windows called Qwitter, found at http://www.qwitter-client.net Now, as this application is written in python, i was wondering how long programmers on the list think it would take to port the application to mac? The app is open source, and I think that if enough people were interested and there are people willing to do it, it would be a great app to have on the mac; i know I will certainly miss it when I switch. ash -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
I was under the impression that Apple's philosophy is that the developers should be the ones to take care of accessibility by using the tools they provide for the purpose. I'd faint dead away if Microsoft were actually to take a thing like that seriously. They've certainly all but abandoned it in Windows and limit themselves to token efforts. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 2:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Good afternoon, Just as an FYI, MS Office for Windows isn't actually compatible with Windows screen-readers. There is a great deal of scripting required in order to make windows screen-readers work with MS Office products. I'm not saying that your campaign won't work. But, I just wanted to point out that MS Office isn't actually natively accessible on either platform. Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2011-05-03, at 2:28 PM, Chris Moore wrote: hi, Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. Money always gets their attention. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
I think that even if the scripting system worked the same, the developer should be the one to bear that responsibility. From what I hear, programming best practices generally turn out decent programs, but Windows programmers mostly seem to be more interested in slapping the UI together as fast as possible and just make sure it can be seen with the naked eye and manipulated with a mouse. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > That is because there is no built in screen reader for Windows, all the > screen readers rely on scripts to work. scripting to get programs to work on > OS X is not an option available to us, so therefore we have to apply pressure > on Microsoft to become more compliant with Apple's standards. Adobe are > making strides to improve accessibility on the Mac for Flash and Acrobat. ok > it is not here, yet but it will be here within the next 12 months. > > We have to bare in mind that Microsoft does not make any of the screen > readers on the Windows platform, so it is up to the vendors to get their > products to work with the OS and it's applications. > On 3 May 2011, at 19:40, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > >> Good afternoon, >> >> Just as an FYI, MS Office for Windows isn't actually compatible with Windows >> screen-readers. There is a great deal of scripting required in order to >> make windows screen-readers work with MS Office products. >> >> I'm not saying that your campaign won't work. But, I just wanted to point >> out that MS Office isn't actually natively accessible on either platform. >> >> >> Everett Zufelt >> http://zufelt.ca >> >> Follow me on Twitter >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >> >> View my LinkedIn Profile >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >> >> >> >> On 2011-05-03, at 2:28 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. >>> Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email >>> requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point >>> them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and >>> say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite >>> for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not >>> accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in >>> screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for >>> VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
but how much does Microsoft do to promote that? Apple makes their accessibility stuff pretty obvious and seems to be making quite an effort to be sure that folks know about it. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 3, 2011, at 3:46 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > You are actually incorrect. Windows has both the MSAA and UIA accessibility > APIs that allow developers to ensure that their applications are exposing > information that can be used by assistive technology. > > > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > On 2011-05-03, at 3:42 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> That is because there is no built in screen reader for Windows, all the >> screen readers rely on scripts to work. scripting to get programs to work on >> OS X is not an option available to us, so therefore we have to apply >> pressure on Microsoft to become more compliant with Apple's standards. >> Adobe are making strides to improve accessibility on the Mac for Flash and >> Acrobat. ok it is not here, yet but it will be here within the next 12 >> months. >> >> We have to bare in mind that Microsoft does not make any of the screen >> readers on the Windows platform, so it is up to the vendors to get their >> products to work with the OS and it's applications. >> On 3 May 2011, at 19:40, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >>> Good afternoon, >>> >>> Just as an FYI, MS Office for Windows isn't actually compatible with >>> Windows screen-readers. There is a great deal of scripting required in >>> order to make windows screen-readers work with MS Office products. >>> >>> I'm not saying that your campaign won't work. But, I just wanted to point >>> out that MS Office isn't actually natively accessible on either platform. >>> >>> >>> Everett Zufelt >>> http://zufelt.ca >>> >>> Follow me on Twitter >>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>> >>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2011-05-03, at 2:28 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. >>>> Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email >>>> requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point >>>> them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and >>>> say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite >>>> for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not >>>> accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in >>>> screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for >>>> VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> T
Re: Help! Can't insert disk into drive
Hi Christine. To be sure that you have no disk in the drive, the keystroke is option-eject. I don't know if this will help you, but when I first tried to do this, I was putting the disk in upside down. The Macbook took my disk in and then spit it back out after a few seconds. I turned the disk over to insert it mirror side down and that worked. I'm sorry for not being any more helpful than that. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 3, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > OK, so this is the first time I am attempting to put a CD into my MacBook. > My husband had no trouble with his MacBook, so it's not the CD. I hit Eject, > but nothing happened --just on the off chance there was a disk in there. I > tried Restarting. I tried to find any documentation about a lcking mechanism > on the drive, but nothing is coming up under Spotlight -- I checked Security > preferences, which is the only place where "unlock" came up. Is this a > defect, or is there some simple maneuver I must do? > Christine > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
It seems to me that this effort is aimed at trying to creaet the force of a number of people rather than just one. Also, another problem is that the office formats are industry standard, so as Carolyn says, "Microsoft knows they have the public around the neck." Gates meant serious business when he said, "A computer in every home, and Microsoft software on every computer." He's pretty much achieved this as much as anyone can, so the company is quite complacent. Our market share is chickenfeed compared to that which they already hold, not that I think Gates himself is to blame for the accessibility issues, but MS as a company has no reason at present to try to expand their customer base. That being said, I see no reason why the effort should not be made to bring this issue to the attention of Microsoft, especially since Apple is outdoing them by leaps and bounds on accessibility for the blind, the deaf, and those who have motor difficulties. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:03 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Isn't it interesting that blind people are willing to fight for access to ProTools, Facebook and Flash, but when someone mentions the word Microsoft, people act like they're the mouse who has to put the bell around the cat's neck? My suggestions are to raise awareness of the myriad issues that plague this particular situation. Speaking directly to Microsoft may be an outcome of this awareness, but for one person to go up against Microsoft and demand accessibility yields the typical response: "We're working on the problem, and we'll get back to you." Let us not speculate as to Microsoft's stance on accessibility until we hear a direct, emphatic and clear "NO!" from the mother corps. I'm all for encouraging Apple to develop its suite of productivity software titles to be fully accessible, however I believe the end user wants and needs choice, especially in the context of corporations that require MS Office. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
screen contrast was RE: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
Hi Larry. Have you tried these shortcut keys? Option-Control-Command-Comma Decrease screen contrast Option-Control-Command-Period Increase screen contrast Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LaMcAs Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac It is just a shame that Apple aren't willing to do anything with regard to "themes" for low vision users, the totally blind are covered quite nicely but anyone that needs to use high contrast is stuffed because everything is just inverted! Larry & Flax GD (Guide Dog) & Elliot RTG (Retired Guide Dog) London, UK -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: 04 May 2011 16:24 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Chris Thank you for taking the initiative to start this discussion and for posting the MS contact information. I will send them a note today. Last year I had taken a quick look around the web and found the following MSDN Accessibility Blog. It hadn't been updated in a few years and when I attempted to contact the author my email bounced. I just looked again and see that a new post was added by a new author last month so I'm going to try contacting them again. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/accessibility/ Cheers, Bryan On May 3, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback > > Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: statement about microsoft's accessibility on the mac
It might help to mention that Apple has developed an API dedicated to accessibility for all to take advantage of and that it's up to Microsoft to learn and implement it. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: statement about microsoft's accessibility on the mac Hello. The last part of you're statement is not entirely correct about Apple stepping up. Apple has provided the developer guidelines that include accessible programming designs and it is the responsibility of the developer [Microshaft] to step up and make they're products accessible. This, obviously, they have not done once again. Thanks. On 2011-05-04, at 6:09 PM, Priscilla Garces wrote: > > I did give some feedback on Microsoft's inaccessibility since I have tested the Microsoft products on the mac. I bought the mac and before i did they let me test the mac with Microsoft word and it was very inaccessible > I wrote the following statement: > > "To Who May concern, > "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for > The Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not > accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in > Screen reader for the blind for OS X. I tried to use word as a test at the apple store when I bought the mac and had to buy iworks2009 in order to substitute Microsoft, but although the apple version is enough for my needs, Microsoft Office suite is necessary for the work environment being that most employers are offering Microsoft's products as part of the equipment for employees. If you were to add support for > VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales and more profits will be gained. In addition, many people in the blind community who are already mac users will also have the choice of either operating system. It is imperative that Microsoft products become accessible on the mac platform. For this reason, apple should step up and get Microsoft to consider the large gain in profitability towards accessible features in the mac platform." > > What do all of you think? > Any opinions are appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > Priscilla Garces > priscillagarces1...@hotmail.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac
Aren't there bindings for C++ to work with Cocoa objects? IF so, isn't it possible to use the accessibility API? Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:46 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Hi all just want to give my 3 cents. This is a good idea and I think it is worth a shot you never no even with a multi bilion dollar company like microsoft. It is important however to consider the actual programming of the software. Microsoft office is written using the C++ language which is microsofts own language developed by them. Apples main programming language is Coco and the other older one is Carbon. The magic of voiceover lies in Coco, if any software is developed using Coco it's accessible using voiceover or mostly ment to be anyway and this is why some 3rd party developers can make applications accessible without even realising as long as they properly use the Coco code. Microsoft office as said, is written in C++. Ok so mac OS can read c++ applications modified a little and this is why office works on mac but office for mac is still a c++ application modified to work on mac. In order to make it accessible it has to be written from the ground up using Coco and this is why I don't think microsoft will consider making office accessible. It will cost them a lot of time and money and for what? For them it is firstly Apple which is the opposition and secondly disabled mac users is only a small drop of water in their ocian of office users. I think before developing office from scratch using Coco they would rather invest money in accessibility on windows in order to try draw more disabled users to their software. Basically they have got us by the short and curlies, we are mac users, we want to use office but can't, and they know it. But as I said it is still worth a try we'll never know before we try, maybe they surprise us so I say give it a go... On May 5, 1:39 am, Chris Moore wrote: > I totally agree, fancy dropping them a line? I have been in touch with the RNIB over here and a couple of other organisations on this side of the pond. Will keep you posted of any outcome. > On 4 May 2011, at 22:49, Laura McGlynn wrote: > > > > > I think I've said this before, but what I find annoying is the silence of blind-oriented organisations, like NFB. If it was a big deal for Apple not to have accessibility built into iTunes, I'm not sure why Microsoft gets a pass, especially when Office is so ubiquitous. The lack of Office support isn't the only reason agencies are reluctant to offer the Mac as a viable solution for blind users, but I bet it doesn't help. In that respect, Microsoft's failure is a much bigger deal than Apple's was with iTunes. > > > I know some people will say that's exactly why organisations like the NFB aren't making a big deal about it, but I'm not sure that's true. Either way, why they're not doing it at the moment isn't as important as letting them know that there's a problem, and that there's a sizeable number of blind users who want them to do something. Targeting them to take action might be as good an effort as targeting Microsoft directly. Because, as noted, our market share is tiny. It's going to take more than just us telling them they're losing money to bring change, and that's what organisations designed to advocate for the blind should be good at, IMO. > > >> "Tony Hernandez" May 04 10:20AM -0400 ^ > > >> It seems to me that this effort is aimed at trying to creaet the force of a > >> number of people rather than just one. Also, another problem is that the > >> office formats are industry standard, so as Carolyn says, "Microsoft knows > >> they have the public around the neck." Gates meant serious business when he > >> said, "A computer in every home, and Microsoft software on every computer." > >> He's pretty much achieved this as much as anyone can, so the company is > >> quite complacent. Our market share is chickenfeed compared to that which > >> they already hold, not that I think Gates himself is to blame for the > >> accessibility issues, but MS as a company has no reason at present to try to > >> expand their customer base. That being said, I see no reason why the effort > >> should not be made to bring this is
RE: ipod oops.
Hi Nadine. Try doing a google search for a program called Senuti for the mac. I just used it to transfer my stuff from the iPod to my mac. That, of course, was after I transferred purchases from the iPod to iTunes directly. You can set Senuti to add your files to the itunes library and to skip files that are already on the computer. It's accessible, and I highly recommend this program. It's shareware, which means you eventually have to pay for it if you want to keep using it, but the trial is quite generous, 1000 songs or 30 days, whichever comes first. Not bad in my opinion. I had less than that on my iPod, so I got all my stuff on the mac for free. It also transferred some iBooks purchases and sound files that I got from sources other than the iTunes Store. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nadine Carr Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: ipod oops. Hi, made a mistake when having to format a machine. I forgot to back up the itunes libraries... Is there any possibility o dumping from the ipod to itunes althought that particularl library is from the old machine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: mac question
Hi Sean. I'm pretty sure that by power Mac he meant one of the higher-end macs as opposed to a lowe end one such as the plain old MacBook. Personally, I think the MacBook is higher end than any PC I've ever had as far as performance and eas of use are concerned, and I have had some good ones. My advice would be to try to max out the ram and get a decent speed processor and plenty of harddrive space. Of course, if you want other goodies like an SD card slot, etc., a MacBook Pro would be the way to go. I have a Macbook, and I don't mis the SD card slot and stuff like that. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Fwd: mac question Hey all. I have a friend that's thinking about getting a Mac next year and he asked me an interesting question that I don't know the answer to. So I figured I'd forward it to this list. Shawn Begin forwarded message: Hi Sean: I had one of the state assistive tech guys here in my office and he showed me his mac and wow! I think I will aim toward getting one next year. Here's my question though and its a real stupid and simple question. What is a power mac or am I getting the name wrong and its called mac pro? He suggest to get a power mac and not one of the entry level macs. Take care. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Skype notifications podcast soon to be available
Jess, Do Skype's notifications let you read the actual messages themselves or just that there is a new one? Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Skype notifications podcast soon to be available Hi folks, I just finished making a recording of how to configure Skype's notifications preferences for the Mac. There is some editing which needs to happen before the podcast wil be aailable, but the podcast should be out next week. This should give people a good hands-on demonstration of how the Skype window is layed out, and how to configure Skype's notifications to meet their needs. Take care. Jes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac question
that was called a powerbook. it used the Power PC architecture. I bet he meant a notebook for a power user, meaning something more advanced, hence the phrase power Mac, Power with a small p. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 9, 2011, at 7:44 PM, David McLean wrote: > He is most likely talking about the macbook pro or one of the more powerful > macs. There used to be a power mac I believe before the Intel days. > On May 9, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > >> Hey all. I have a friend that's thinking about getting a Mac next year and >> he asked me an interesting question that I don't know the answer to. So I >> figured I'd forward it to this list. >> >> Shawn >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> Hi Sean: >>> I had one of the state assistive tech guys here in my office and he showed >>> me his mac and wow! I think I will aim toward getting one next year. Here's >>> my question though and its a real stupid and simple question. >>> What is a power mac or am I getting the name wrong and its called mac pro? >>> He suggest to get a power mac and not one of the entry level macs. >>> Take care. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
serial braille displays
Hi all. Has any one had any success using VO with a serial bralle display. I use abraille note classic with a serial-to-USB adaptor on my...cough cough...Windows machine for my job. I do have a Focus44, but it's broken and has no warranty. I'd appreciate any input anyone can give. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
return, new line, go away please
Hi all. I've noticed that when I have atext file open and punctuation set to all, VO says return new line at the end of each line that doesn't wrap but has a hard line break. This is driving me buggy, but I need the all punctuation setting to read through code in a book about C. Would someone please tell me how to make this stop if there is a way? I noticed it doesn't do this in this email message. This could have something to do with the fact that this text file was created from a pdf on a windows machine using Adobe reader. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: many of the conmands don't work on imac
Hi Stephanie. Is your iMac new? If not, the keyboard that came with it might not be the original that came with it when it was new. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 11, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Steph, > > I am fascinated by your issue. So, first have you tried connecting the > keyboard to your MacBook Pro? This would at least verify if there is a > problem with the keyboard itself. Has the keyboard worked at anytime or has > this problem existed since you setup the machine. Do all other keyboard > functions perform as expected? Do you know if during the setup you may have > inadvertently selected a different keyboard? I doubt this, but this goes > back to whether all other keys function as expected. You are not pressing any > other keys in conjunction with the command key? Sorry, I know this may be an > obvious question and not wanting to offend, but it helps to ask the most > obvious questions. I have found that sometimes the most obvious things are > overlooked in favor of something more exotic. :) > > On May 11, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote: > >> I have no idea what keyboard it is. I'm using the one that came with the >> imac. >> I can access the menu and do every thing through that. >> Steph >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Colin M > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:49:17 +0100 >> Subject: Re: many of the conmands don't work on imac >> >> Hi Stephanie! >> What kind of keyboard are you using? >> And can you use the command equivalents in the main menu [vo+m to file and >> then down to open message ] >> If that works then maybe it might be the keyboard! >> Those commands you listed are os commands and should work on any Mac! >> Even for sighted people! >> If you cannot open from the menu, then someone with more knowledge hopefully >> help! >> Qapla!Colin >> >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> On 11 May 2011, at 06:23, Stephanie Mitchell wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> I just got an imac, and many of the commands I used on my macbook aren't >> working on my imac. For example, command o, command comma for preferences. >> I also want to select a link to copy it and then paste it. How do I do this? >> Thanks from a new mac user, who would not go back to windows again. >> Steph >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Virtual viewer in Safari?
Hi Geoff. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but VO in Safari doesn't seem to support the functionality you're referring to. Vo doesn't navigate the document in the word-processor-like style you're used to in JFW. I'm a JFW user as well, and I lament this issue very much for the exact same reason you do, reading/copying code. I wrote to Apple about it and explained this style of web navigation and requested that they make it an option in VO in addition to the other methods already available. I sent the note 2 or 3 days ago, so we'll see what happens. I suggest you do the same. The address is accessibil...@apple.com Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:17 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Virtual viewer in Safari? Greetings, When I read code examples from URL: http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-ipho ne-development via JFW and FireFox/MSIE, the lines appear correctly in Jaws's virtual viewer. When I navigate via Safari in OSX 10.6.7, however there is no easy way to copy/paste lines of code or even to easily discern where a line ends. I tried both DOM and group modes and the reader (command-shift-r), but have not yet discovered a way to read lines of code as they are written. When I use the trackpad, only the part of the line under my finger is read. My VO utility setting to announce all punctuation is apparently ignored because characters such as the equal sign are not verbalized as I move over them, but are visible to voiceOver when I use the "move right" command (right flick or vo-arrow). When I interact, only part of the line is displayed. I attempted to select all and copy to a file in the textEdit application, but the result was also unreadable. I feel as though I must be missing something because many here are using OSX exclusively to navigate the web, yet I repeatedly see examples such as the one illustrated above where tasks are difficult or impossible to perform in Safari which can be done easily in JFW. TIA for any/all suggestions other than my current solution of reading the page in JFW and manually copying lines into xCode. Best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Virtual viewer in Safari?
HI Geoff. I know it's annoying the way VO reads some web stuff, but it seems that most folks do have their needs met concerning web navigation on the Mac. It isn't that they are out of touch with reality. IF it meets their needs, human nature sometimes causes anyone of us to be unaware of circumstances that might call for a different approach of doing something. I've found that I don't like the way that VO reads the column and row information in HTML tables, so I just turned that off in the web category in the VO utility. VO is still a relatively new screen reader and does need work in areas, but what they've done so far is amazing to me, even if I do agree that their web navigation approach needs work. That's why I wrote to them. I'm sure that with patience from the consumers VO will start to blow all screen readers out of the water in every aspect before we know it. I predict that in time other screen readers might even start to copy the VO approach of doing things. For instance, this concept of having to enter forms mode has always bugged me even if I got used to it. Even the auto forms mode in JAWS is buggy because it sometimes makes it hard to navigate with the arrow keys for certain auto-complete fields, not to mention that it has a crazy way of behaving in certain configurations when one tries to exit forms mode from edit boxes. I think all screen reader companies, though they compete, can and do learn from one another even if that means simply creating a feature similar to that in a competing product just to keep up or jump ahead of the competition. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari? Hi Tony, Thanks for the note. Frankly it's hard to understand why so many former JFW users claim on this list that they never look back because web navigation (which is becoming increasingly ubiquitous in application dialogs) is totally substandard by any objective analysis. It was challenging, but possible to update my JawBone Jambox in MSIE. Don't even think about attempting this task in Safari. The tables on braille.wunderground.com are so much easier to navigate in Windows. Yes it's possible to ascertain information such as current conditions and records, but the process is far to time consuming. I always book flights on Southwest or peruse my supermarket's weekly adds in Windows for the same reason. Up till now I suspected I was missing something obvious because the only alternative possibility is that this list is completely populated with coo laid drinking cheer leaders who are totally out of touch with reality! I will compose a note to the accessibility team, but suspect web navigation might have been implemented much better had the former switchers afforded themselves a modicum of objectivity rather than focusing on the price of the screen reader (which in the case of web navigation is worth every penny we pay for it). Best regards. Geoff On May 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Hi Geoff. > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but VO in Safari doesn't seem to > support the functionality you're referring to. Vo doesn't navigate the > document in the word-processor-like style you're used to in JFW. I'm a JFW > user as well, and I lament this issue very much for the exact same reason > you do, reading/copying code. I wrote to Apple about it and explained this > style of web navigation and requested that they make it an option in VO in > addition to the other methods already available. I sent the note 2 or 3 days > ago, so we'll see what happens. I suggest you do the same. The address is > accessibil...@apple.com > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Virtual viewer in Safari? > > Greetings, > > When I read code examples from URL: > http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-ipho > ne-develo
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Hi. I set up a pop account in mail and need to change the outgoing port to 26. When I go to edit the account and go to the port, it says 110, but the help says that this is supposed to be the SMTP port. The standard port is 25, but this shows the port for incoming mail. There is a possibility that this is happening because the smtp and the pop servers for this account both start with mail rather than starting with pop or smtp, i.e., mail.domain.tld for both incoming and outgoing. Anyone know whether I should just go ahead and put the number 26 here even if it shows 110? Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
outgoing smtp port in mail
Hi John. Thanks for the reply. . sorry again for failing to fill in the subject line. Tony Hernandez “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) http://dutyofman.net On May 13, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: > Lower down in your Account settings window, you will see a outgoing > mailserver item with a pop-up button. click the pop-up button and you will > find a edit SMTP serves line. Select this and you should be on your way... > > Jon > > On May 13, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I set up a pop account in mail and need to change the outgoing port to 26. >> When I go to edit the account and go to the port, it says 110, but the help >> says that this is supposed to be the SMTP port. The standard port is 25, but >> this shows the port for incoming mail. There is a possibility that this is >> happening because the smtp and the pop servers for this account both start >> with mail rather than starting with pop or smtp, i.e., mail.domain.tld for >> both incoming and outgoing. Anyone know whether I should just go ahead and >> put the number 26 here even if it shows 110? >> >> Tony Hernandez >> http://dutyofman.net/ >> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every >> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether >> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Virtual viewer in Safari
Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple were to add this ability to VO on the web. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just takes a little time I guess. Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing people for stealing their ideas. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Virtual viewer in Safari
Right, it's a matter of what you use the web for. That's one of the many wonderful things about Voiceover. You can use different methods of web navigation for different types of activities. The word processor style helps with some things, but it isn't necessary or might even be a bit cumbersome in other situations. The group way is good for some things but might not be so good for other things. The DOM method is fine for things that group and word processor type navigation might not handle as well. In JAWS, Window Eyes, etc., navigation methods are more limited. iOS has a way to navigate by line, which I sometimes use but not always. OS X users would benefit from that approach as well. Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:27 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari Hi Tony, I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on occasions, such as the one JEff mentions. However, I must disagree with the overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with JFW. It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing. I check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no less useful with VO than under Jaws. Maybe it's all a matter of what you use the web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites. Best, Zack. On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as > mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I > sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins > for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple > were to add this ability to VO on the web. > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari > > Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it > doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another > website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the > first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down > through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just > takes a little time I guess. > Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's > another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type > in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will > develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing > people for stealing their ideas. > > Shawn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: mac book
Hi Gerry. I'm a jaws user as well as a Mac user. I find that the ease of web navigation on the mac with Voiceover depends on your needs. its' different from the jaws method, but how good or easy it is is strictly a matter of opinion. there are certain times when I'm using a Mac that I wish Voiceover would navigate the web in the same way as jaws or window eyes, but that's rare and usually pertains to reading and handling programming code. I and others have written to Apple about this style of navigation and asked for it as one of the options/methods of getting around a web page. Apple' accessibility division seems to be pretty receptive to feedback, so I wouldn't be shocked to see this implemented in the future. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
