Possible Switch To VarioUltra Braille Display

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi, I’m thinking to switch from my Actilino to the VarioUltra 20 Braille 
display. That display has come up on this list before, but of course I didn’t 
follow the threads. I’d love to hear from folks who have an Ultra with thoughts 
about how it works with both Mac and iOS devices. I’ve read some good things 
about it, but I’m also having trouble figuring out if the display is even still 
available.

I apologize as this may be a bit off topic, but I’m not sure where else to go 
for info at this point.

Thanks in advance,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Possible Switch To VarioUltra Braille Display

[Pete De Vasto]

Thanks to both Donna and Brianna for your replies! Donna, the idea of being 
able to read .docx and .pdf files is the biggest reason I want to make the 
switch. User manuals for a couple of devices I have are in PDF format, and it 
would be great to (no pun intended) have them right at my fingertips 
immediately, rather than needing to convert them to text files for the 
Actilino. The active Tactile control (ATC) function is, indeed, a cool concept, 
and I have used it on occasion, but not as much as I thought I would. There are 
lots of other functions that I don’t use hardly at all, either, so if I can, in 
fact, get my hands on a V.U. I will probably be interested in selling my 
Actilino to someone who might benefit from it. I will e-mail Mr. Feinberg today 
and we’ll see what happens.

Thanks again for the useful info,
Pete
> On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:16 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Pete and Brianna,
> 
> Actually, according to info I've received recently, it is back in production, 
> and there is a U.S. distributor.
> 
> I absolutely love my VU. It works great with Mac and IOS. Its design is 
> small, light, and portable. I don't have need for this often, but I love that 
> it can read docx files and PDFs. As far as I'm concerned, it's the best 
> braille display currently available. I know there are some who like the 
> Handytech displays, the ActiveBraille and Actilino, but since I don't have 
> $6700, I haven't tried them out.
> 
> Here's my most recent info on the Vario, from Igore Finberg:
> "Sales wise, you can purchase any former Baum blind or low vision products 
> from Insidevision Inc. All products have a two year warranty. I will update 
> you all on the progress in setting up service centers, but if you have an 
> immediate need for repair or sales, please send me an email. I will do my 
> best to reply within 24 hours. 
> 
> Best regards,
> Igor Feinberg
> CEO, Insidevision Inc.
> igor.feinb...@insidevision-us.com <mailto:igor.feinb...@insidevision-us.com>
> 781-799-2971"
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Brianna Snyder > <mailto:briannasnyde...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pete, 
>> 
>> Firstly, the display isn't available at this time, though there are rumors 
>> that a company will start producing them soon. 
>> If they ever do go back into production, though, I highly recommend the 
>> VarioUltra. It's very versatile, as you can have up to 4 Bluetooth devices 
>> and 1 USB device connected all at once. I use mine mostly to read Bookshare 
>> books, as you can store files on the display itself. 
>> 
>> I hope you find a display that best suits your needs,
>> Brianna 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Pete De Vasto >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I’m thinking to switch from my Actilino to the VarioUltra 20 Braille 
>>> display. That display has come up on this list before, but of course I 
>>> didn’t follow the threads. I’d love to hear from folks who have an Ultra 
>>> with thoughts about how it works with both Mac and iOS devices. I’ve read 
>>> some good things about it, but I’m also having trouble figuring out if the 
>>> display is even still available.
>>> 
>>> I apologize as this may be a bit off topic, but I’m not sure where else to 
>>> go for info at this point.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Mac equivalent of JAWS Find Next?

[Pete De Vasto]

Donna,

Slight modification to the find instructions: To do the initial find, you do VO 
+ F, then subsequent next and previous finds are done using VO + G and VO + 
Shift plus g. The one thing about this that gets me is that sometimes I forget 
about the find next and previous, and, unlike the JAWS find, VO + F does not 
retain the item you last tried to find. But it still does work and I use it all 
the time.

Pete

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 6:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Oh, that's great! Thank you!
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Yes there is. The command is VoiceOver plus G for find next and VoiceOver 
>> plus shift plus g to find previous.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 9:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> One thing I like about JAWS is the ability to initiate a JAWS find, and 
>>> then search for all subsequent occurrences of that text using F3. Is there 
>>> some equivalent of that for Mac/Voiceover?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Abbreviations In iOS Messages

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed a 
message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life of 
me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If you 
know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks so much,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Abbreviations In iOS Messages

[Pete De Vasto]

Thank you so very much, Tim! I had forgotten that it was in the Keyboard 
settings. Very helpful, and I’ve added the phrases I wanted already!

Pete

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> These are called Text Replacements and are found in Settings, General, 
> Keyboard.  You can add new ones within the Text Replacements panel.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 15:55, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed 
> a message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
> replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
> create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life 
> of me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If 
> you know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Wi-Fi Extenders

[Pete De Vasto]

My router is from Xfinity, has nothing to do with NetGear at all. I wouldn’t 
think it matters.

Pete

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:45 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Thanks for this, good price. Does the extender need to match the router? I 
> browsed some on Amazon and one was AC1900 which is my router but it was $100.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/17/2020 8:27 AM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm a little late to the thread, sorry. However, I wanted to share that I 
>> got a Netgear Wi-Fi extender just about two years ago now, and it's 
>> performed flawlessly  in my single-level 2,150 square foot home, even 
>> outside in my back yard. It sells for around $20 US currently. It's very 
>> easy to set up: You first plug it in to an outlet close to your router so 
>> you can pair it, then you can move it to somewhere else where you currently 
>> have connectivity issues. It uses your router's network name and adds ext to 
>> it, but you can call it anything you like. Here's the info:
>> NETGEAR WiFi Range Extender EX2700 - Coverage up to 600 sq.ft. and 10 
>> devices with N300 Wireless Signal Booster & Repeater
>> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L0YLRUW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> I assume this is available outside the US, if anyone would want it. Hope 
>> this helps.
>> Pete De Vasto
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:03 AM
>> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Wi-Fi Extenders
>> Thanks, that should be interesting reading.
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 3/17/2020 4:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Try reading this article:
>>> https://www.howtogeek.com/290418/what-are-mesh-wi-fi-systems-and-how-do-they-work/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/16/20, 17:59, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  A friend asked about that but the layout of my apartment would make
>>>  running a cable difficult. He will see if he can get his hands on an
>>>  extender so we can test that.
>>> 
>>>  Could you briefly define what a mesh system is? Thanks.
>>> 
>>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>  Many believe that we have been visited
>>>  in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>  On 3/16/2020 2:46 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>  > I suppose you could install a mesh system. A Web search would 
>>> provide reviews.
>>>  >
>>>  > Alternatively, could you run a cable between the two floors?
>>>  >
>>>  > On 3/16/20, 11:40, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >  My Apple TV is downstairs. The Mac and router are upstairs. 
>>> I cannot
>>>  >  relocate any of it. Sometimes when watching content on the ATV, 
>>> the
>>>  >  video will pause.
>>>  >
>>>  >  So am looking into extenders. What should I look for when 
>>> shopping?
>>>  >
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Shuffling Songs With iOS 13 Music App

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I feel a bit sheepish asking this, but up to now I have primarily been playing 
music using my 6th generation iPod touch, which is running iOS 12.4. Now, 
however, I wanted to start listening to music on my iPhone 7, which is running 
the latest version of iOS 13. As most of you probably already know, the Music 
app has a very different look and feel under 13, and when I went to try and 
find a way to shuffle songs, I came up empty. Apple’s documentation was not 
helpful. I can get to the Now Playing section of my screen, but I can’t find 
the icon they are talking about to get to where I can select shuttle. Can 
anyone tell me how I can shuffle songs with the new and improved Music app?

Thanks so very much in advance,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Shuffling Songs With iOS 13 Music App

[Pete De Vasto]

It worked, Tim, thanks a ton! Only thing is that I would never have guessed it 
was one click to the right of the Play button, because VO sometimes ID’s that 
thing as the mini player, and at other times it says Skip dimmed. Oh well, 
least I do know how to do it now. Thanks again.

Pete

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> Hi,
> 
> It's usually one flick to the right of the Play button.  At least in 
> Playlists, Artists, and Songs.  I didn't check everywhere.  The Play button 
> is usually near the upper portion of the screen.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 15:36, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I feel a bit sheepish asking this, but up to now I have primarily been 
> playing music using my 6th generation iPod touch, which is running iOS 12.4. 
> Now, however, I wanted to start listening to music on my iPhone 7, which is 
> running the latest version of iOS 13. As most of you probably already know, 
> the Music app has a very different look and feel under 13, and when I went to 
> try and find a way to shuffle songs, I came up empty. Apple’s documentation 
> was not helpful. I can get to the Now Playing section of my screen, but I 
> can’t find the icon they are talking about to get to where I can select 
> shuttle. Can anyone tell me how I can shuffle songs with the new and improved 
> Music app?
> 
> Thanks so very much in advance,
> Pete De Vasto
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Editing Contact Info On iOS 13.4.1

[Pete De Vasto]

Hello all,

I’ve not had to update my contacts in quite a while, but this morning I needed 
to update som info. Apologies if this has been asked before, but is it possible 
at all to edit a contact using VO on iOS 13.4.1? 

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Editing Contact Info On iOS 13.4.1

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Mike,

Well, at least I know now I’m not the only one experiencing this issue. 
Fortunately, I do also have a Mac that’s not yet been upgraded to Catalina, and 
since I have my contacts stored in iCloud, I was able to edit what I wanted 
using the Mac, and hopefully I can get to the new info from my iPhone. I don’t 
want to start a bashing war, but I do have to say this is not a good regression.

Pete

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello Pete,
> 
> Unfortunately, I cannot answer your question, because like you, I have been 
> unable to edit existing contacts since 13.4.1.  All I can do is assure you 
> that you probably weren’t doing anything wrong.  Like you, I would like to 
> know how editing existing contacts is accomplished.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16.04.2020, at 20:00, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I’ve not had to update my contacts in quite a while, but this morning I 
>> needed to update som info. Apologies if this has been asked before, but is 
>> it possible at all to edit a contact using VO on iOS 13.4.1? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Editing Contact Info On iOS 13.4.1

[Pete De Vasto]

After seeing Brad’s message, I decided to try restarting my iPhone 7. Guess 
what? That did the trick! Now all is working fine, and I do get the Edit button 
now and can make whatever changes I need. There definitely is some truth in 
what they say about rebooting your phone once in a while being a good thing!

Thanks for the help,
Pete

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I am running iOS 13.4.1 on an iPhone X, and am having no issues editing 
> contacts.  The process works as expected.
> 1.  I open the Phone app, and select the Contacts button along the bottom of 
> the screen.
> 2. Search for and open the contact I wish to edit.
> 3.  Select the Edit button in the upper right corner of the screen.
> 4.  Edit the contact information, then select the Done button in the upper 
> right corner of the screen.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:21, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Well, at least I know now I’m not the only one experiencing this issue. 
> Fortunately, I do also have a Mac that’s not yet been upgraded to Catalina, 
> and since I have my contacts stored in iCloud, I was able to edit what I 
> wanted using the Mac, and hopefully I can get to the new info from my iPhone. 
> I don’t want to start a bashing war, but I do have to say this is not a good 
> regression.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Michael Busboom > <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Pete,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I cannot answer your question, because like you, I have been 
>> unable to edit existing contacts since 13.4.1.  All I can do is assure you 
>> that you probably weren’t doing anything wrong.  Like you, I would like to 
>> know how editing existing contacts is accomplished.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mike 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16.04.2020, at 20:00, Pete De Vasto >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve not had to update my contacts in quite a while, but this morning I 
>>> needed to update som info. Apologies if this has been asked before, but is 
>>> it possible at all to edit a contact using VO on iOS 13.4.1? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: New display, new buttons.

[Pete De Vasto]

Andres,

D2 and D5 are used to pan the display back and forth, so you won’t find them 
listed in the VO Utility. Also, I’m pretty sure that most of the commands 
involving the space keys will work the same as on other displays. I have a 
VarioUltra 20, and the space commands work fine. I’m not familiar with the 340, 
how many Braille cells does it have? Just curious. Let me know if you have any 
other questions. I’ve only had my Ultra for about two months, but I do love it.

Pete De Vasto

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I’ve got a Vario 340 today and since i haven’t played a lot with the 
> VoiceOver utility to change keystrokes for some common things i am a bit 
> stunned.
> For you who know the VarioUltra and other Baum products they have 3 keys to 
> the left and 3 to the right.
> They’re called d1 to d6 for you who might not know that.
> Now when i want to assign a command to the d2 and d5 buttons i can’t do that 
> in the VoiceOver utility because they don’t appear there.
> This can’t be a normal behaviour as they seem to be registered somewhere in 
> the system because when i press them i hear a small ding from my mac which 
> indicates that they work but has not been assigned to any command.
> I have contacted apple accessibility about it but i doubt it will be of any 
> effect in the near future.
> Apart from that the display is really nice and has nice dots.
> /A
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Re: New display, new buttons.

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi again, Anders,

To demo how D2 and D5 work, start at the beginning of this reply and start 
reading exclusively in Braille. You’ll find that D2 will move right one display 
with, and D5 will go the other way. These keys also behave the same when 
reading documents or stuff on the web.

/P

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I’ve got a Vario 340 today and since i haven’t played a lot with the 
> VoiceOver utility to change keystrokes for some common things i am a bit 
> stunned.
> For you who know the VarioUltra and other Baum products they have 3 keys to 
> the left and 3 to the right.
> They’re called d1 to d6 for you who might not know that.
> Now when i want to assign a command to the d2 and d5 buttons i can’t do that 
> in the VoiceOver utility because they don’t appear there.
> This can’t be a normal behaviour as they seem to be registered somewhere in 
> the system because when i press them i hear a small ding from my mac which 
> indicates that they work but has not been assigned to any command.
> I have contacted apple accessibility about it but i doubt it will be of any 
> effect in the near future.
> Apart from that the display is really nice and has nice dots.
> /A
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Re: New display, new buttons.

[Pete De Vasto]

Not sure what’s going on here. If you’re not in keyboard help mode, but 
anywhere else, does pressing D2 or D5 pan the display? That’s what they are 
supposed to do.

/P

> On Apr 25, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I do understand your love.
> The Ultra was quite good but i didn’t like the keyboard.
> The D5 and D2 does not work on my mac.
> If i press VO+k to bring up the keyboard help and then press d5 or d2 they 
> are listed but have no key definition.
> But i don’t know.
> /A
> 
>> 24 apr. 2020 kl. 20:09 skrev Pete De Vasto :
>> 
>> Andres,
>> 
>> D2 and D5 are used to pan the display back and forth, so you won’t find them 
>> listed in the VO Utility. Also, I’m pretty sure that most of the commands 
>> involving the space keys will work the same as on other displays. I have a 
>> VarioUltra 20, and the space commands work fine. I’m not familiar with the 
>> 340, how many Braille cells does it have? Just curious. Let me know if you 
>> have any other questions. I’ve only had my Ultra for about two months, but I 
>> do love it.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I’ve got a Vario 340 today and since i haven’t played a lot with the 
>>> VoiceOver utility to change keystrokes for some common things i am a bit 
>>> stunned.
>>> For you who know the VarioUltra and other Baum products they have 3 keys to 
>>> the left and 3 to the right.
>>> They’re called d1 to d6 for you who might not know that.
>>> Now when i want to assign a command to the d2 and d5 buttons i can’t do 
>>> that in the VoiceOver utility because they don’t appear there.
>>> This can’t be a normal behaviour as they seem to be registered somewhere in 
>>> the system because when i press them i hear a small ding from my mac which 
>>> indicates that they work but has not been assigned to any command.
>>> I have contacted apple accessibility about it but i doubt it will be of any 
>>> effect in the near future.
>>> Apart from that the display is really nice and has nice dots.
>>> /A
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Re: New display, new buttons.

[Pete De Vasto]

Very good Catch, Alia. Anders, go to VO Utility > Braille > Displays, and 
select your Vario. For my Ultra 20, D2 and D5 were already defined as pan left 
and pan right. So once you add those keys to the table, you should be fine.

PD

> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:31 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> the mac has unmapped those keys for panning. I finally figured this out with 
> my actilino. you have to remap them.
> 
> On Apr 25, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Not sure what’s going on here. If you’re not in keyboard help mode, but 
> anywhere else, does pressing D2 or D5 pan the display? That’s what they are 
> supposed to do.
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Pete De Vasto]

Petrus,

Out of curiosity, what voice are you currently using? I’m using Victoria, one 
of the old-time voices that’s been with VO forever, and the control key does 
exactly what I expect it to do. Have you tried switching to either her, or 
maybe Samantha, just to see what happens?

Pete De Vasto

> On May 4, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> It would be helpful if it worked.  It would be a quick way to stop speech in 
> all kinds of situations.  Mostly when my wife wants to tell me something and 
> the computer is talking so I can’t hear.  But also when on a phone call, or 
> when I want to silence a long unneeded computer ramble. 
> 
> I have learned to restart voice over or turn the volume down but the control 
> key is faster and easier. And it has the advantage that a second press starts 
> speech where it left off. 
> 
> I notice just now that if I close my lid and then reopen the control key 
> feature no longer works.  I have to restart Voice over.  
> 
> Unfortunately due to an active cat it is best if I shut my lid often.
> 
>   I’ll pay attention to see what else triggers the failure.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It seems to do so on my computer using all english speaking voices but not 
>> when i use my swedish voice.
>> Not sure why but thats how it is here.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 02:57 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was 
>>> a solution?
>>> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key 
>>> to shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for 
>>> about five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I 
>>> press the control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five seconds 
>>> or so. So I just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it quiet. 
>>> Suppose I could mute VoiceOver but I thought the control key was the way to 
>>> do it.
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Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

Hello all,

I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I so 
strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. Whenever I 
see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it calls Arabic 
characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those messages. I am sure 
there is very good reason for having these characters there, and by no means 
would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was wondering if others on the 
list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore 
these characters. My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess 
that means it’s not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?

Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
characters if needed.

Pete De Vasto

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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Ramy and all,

Ramy, now that I understand, it’s really not disturbing to me, especially after 
what others have suggested I can do about reading them. For all, several of you 
have suggested an automatically select language rotor option somewhere in VO 
settings, but I can’t seem to find it anywhere, so I’m stumped!

Thanks for any help,
Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 5:28 AM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

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If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up will 
take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices like 
Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
voice you come upon when you do this.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
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>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
>> 
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Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did not 
change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide preferences 
relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have Victoria as my 
default voice.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
> 
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
> 
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
> 
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>>> those characters don’t get read out.
>>> 
>>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>>>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>>>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>>>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
>>>> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>>>>> the language was.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>>>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>>>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>>>> <mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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iPhone SE 2nd Generation, Audio Recording Question

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

I’m very close to biting the bullet and ordering one of the 2nd generation 
iPhone SE’s to replace my iPhone 7. I noted with interest that they say when 
you record video with the camera app, you get stereo, but most audio apps like 
Pocket Recorder won’t handle stereo because of internal limitations. If any of 
you actually have the new SE, I was wondering if you get stereo audio if you 
use Voice Memos to record. That won’t stop me from getting the phone, I’m just 
curious.

Thanks as always,
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VoiceOver And iPhone Migration

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Hello all,

I’m upgrading from my iPhone 7 to the new iPhone SE, and the new phone is 
arriving today. I was hoping I’d be able to use iPhone Migration to transfer 
from the old to the new device. Will VO give me the right feedback so I can 
align the two devices properly to do the initial part of the process? Are there 
any other things I should know before I go this route? I can always fall back 
to iTunes or iCloud, but the migration process really does seem like it would 
be the way to go if it works OK with VO.

Thanks for any thoughts or advice,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: VoiceOver And iPhone Migration

[Pete De Vasto]

Thanks for the encouragement! Gabe’s right, it went pretty smoothly. Probably 
the toughest part was installing the SIM card!  Big fingers, tiny card, 
no sight. But with a little trial and error, and being very careful where I put 
the little card on my desk, I did get it. I also had a bit of trouble lining up 
the viewer during the initial link-up, so decided to verify manually. That was 
easy as well. I’m now just doing some final tweaking, and all does look 
extremely good.

Pete

> On May 22, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> When I did this exact thing a couple weeks ago, updating from a 7 to the SE, 
> it couldn't have been easier. The new phone asked if I wanted to restore from 
> another phone and asked to enter a code that showed up on the phone on the 
> device I was restoring from. Once I entered that it walked me through setting 
> up things like my touch ID, Apple pay and maybe a couple things then told me 
> to leave both phones unlocked and near each other until the restore was 
> complete. That process took between 15 minutes and half an hour. The entire 
> process was completely accessible and probably the easiest iPhone setup 
> experience I've ever had. 
> 
> HTH 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 8:33 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, everything is accessible.  What you’re actually doing is restoring the 
>> new iPhone from a backup, so hopefully you’ve been either backing up to 
>> iCloud or through iTunes/Finder on a Mac.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
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>> On May 22, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I’m upgrading from my iPhone 7 to the new iPhone SE, and the new phone is 
>> arriving today. I was hoping I’d be able to use iPhone Migration to transfer 
>> from the old to the new device. Will VO give me the right feedback so I can 
>> align the two devices properly to do the initial part of the process? Are 
>> there any other things I should know before I go this route? I can always 
>> fall back to iTunes or iCloud, but the migration process really does seem 
>> like it would be the way to go if it works OK with VO.
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts or advice,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Sorting Order Of File List When Uploading Through Safari, Big Sir

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi,

I’m trying to upload some pictures using Safari. When the file picker dialog 
comes up, the files are sorted in alphabetical order. Is there any way to 
change the sort order, like you can do in Finder, so that the list is sorted by 
something like date added? I tried sorting the pictures folder this way using 
Finder, but when I got back to the picker dialog the list was still 
alphabetical. Any ideas?

Pete De Vasto

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Re: With a Bluetooth keyboard, how to hide or show the on screen keyboard

[Pete De Vasto]

Frank,

I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard and use it with an iPhone, so not sure if 
this will help you. On my keyboard, along the top row of keys which are the 
function keys, the very right key is the one I use to toggle screen keyboard on 
and off. VO does say “keyboard visibile” or “Keyboard hidden” for me. Again, 
this may not help if you are not using an apple keyboard, but wanted to suggest 
anyhow.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

> On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Frank Ventura  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, when using a Bluetooth keyboard on my iPad does anyone recall the 
> keyboard command to hide or show the on-screen keyboard? thanks
> Sincerely,
> Frank Ventura
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Changing Playback Destination For Voicemail On iOS 15

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I’m trying to figure out if there’s a way I can play voice mail messages 
through the phone speakers, or somehow if nothing else be able to increase the 
volume if I wanted someone else to hear the message. Double tapping the 
playback destination doesn’t do anything, and if I take the phone away from my 
ear playback stops. Is there perhaps a VO setting I need to adjust so I can 
have others listen to a voice mail message if necessary?

Thanks for any help in advance,
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Re: How to turn on discriptee videos on

[Pete De Vasto]

With Amazon Prime, once you set the language of a particular video to the one 
that contains audio description, it remembers that you want it so, if you bring 
up a later video with description included, it should start playing 
automatically.

Pete De Vasto

> On Jan 29, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I can only tell you about Amazon prime video. If you don’t have a prime 
> membership this won’t be of help. However if you do, read on.
> The problem isn’t turning on descriptive audio, the problem is finding videos 
> that have audio descriptions. I have found that there is a heading titled 
> audio described TV or something similar. Although, under the Amazon originals 
> there are many videos that have audio descriptions. In order to find them I 
> look at the available languages in the video description area and if there is 
> more than one, chances are good that audio description is one of the other 
> languages. You can just open up those language options and see if audio 
> description is listed. If it is, just play the video and it will come up with 
> the narrator talking away. It’s really quite good. You may have to turn on 
> something in the options area but I found that it just comes up with the 
> narration going. I will often browse through videos when I have some downtime 
> to see if they are audio described, and then add them to a Favorites list so 
> I have a selection to choose from when I want to watch something.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> How do you turn on descriptive video when you watch something through Hulu 
>> or the other video apps?
>> Thanks
>> Becky
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Great. 😊👍
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jan 2022, at 5:01 PM, Fazil M. >> <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got it! It is Arabic PC.
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 5:23 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Arabic Keyboard?
>>>  
>>> It depends on the layout. If you use the PC layout, then I remember it is 
>>> in backslash in the English keyboard and ‘accent’ or the button just left 
>>> to number 1 in the numbers row. If you are talking about Mac layout, which 
>>> I don’t remember its name exactly, it is in “v” and “c” respectively for 
>>> dal and Zhal.
>>>  
>>> Hope it helps, 
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>>  
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Jan 2022, at 1:46 AM, Fazil M. >>> <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
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>>>> Hi, Group.
>>>> When typing Arabic in Mac, how can I have the letters:
>>>> Daal & zaal?
>>>> Thanks!
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Favor!

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> sorry to bother you, do you order from Amazon?
> Thanks
> 
> pete
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Re: Favor!

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This is a hack, please IGNORE!

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 5:53 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> I shop on Amazon all the time.
>  
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 8:32 AM
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>> sorry to bother you, do you order from Amazon? 
>> Thanks 
>>  
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Shop At Amazon E-mail Sent By Me

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

If you get an e-mail from me asking if I shop at Amazon, please DISREGARD it! 
I’ve had this happen to me from others before, and it is a scam. Delete that 
message, and don’t do anything with it!

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: speaker phone

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Hi Cait,

Go to Voiceover Settings, and under Audio, make sure that Auto Select Speaker 
in Call is set to On. Once that’s on, you should be able to move the phone away 
from your head and hear it through the speaker. If that doesn’t help, you might 
try turning your phone completely off, by that I mean pressing and holding the 
power button for a few seconds and double tapping power off, then turn the 
phone back on after waiting about 10 or 20 seconds.

Pete De Vasto

> On Feb 18, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone else having the problem of the i phone not going to speaker phone 
> when it’s not near your head??  Mine seems to never go into this mode!  I am 
> running ios 15.2.  Using an i phone 8 +.
> 
> thanks!
> Cait
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Re: How to set up new iPhone

[Pete De Vasto]

There are a number of web pages and YouTube videos that talk about doing this. 
You could do a Google search for something like “set up new iPhone using 
VoiceOver” without the quotes to find these pages. Below I share the link from 
Apple Support that talks about this as well:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210433 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210433>

Hope this helps,
Pete De Vasto

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I can’t get to my local Apple store and so I’m thinking of buying online and 
> having it shipped to me. Problem is, I’ve always had the store attendant do 
> all the unboxing and set up work for me. I’m a little concerned that I won’t 
> be able to do it too easily by myself. I’ll be keeping my same carrier and 
> that might make activation a bit easier. Can anyone walk me through the steps 
> of getting an iPhone in the mail and going through the set up process 
> including turning on voiceover initially and doing all the set up work? As I 
> said I’ll still be using the same carrier so if you can also tell me how I 
> would activate the phone with my carrier and transfer my existing account to 
> the new phone. Thanks 1 million. What a pain in the ass these pandemic How to 
> set up new iPhone I can’t get to my local Apple store and so I’m thinking of 
> buying online and having it shipped to me. Problem is, I’ve always had the 
> store attendant do all the unboxing and set up work for me. I’m a little 
> concerned that I won’t be able to do it too easily by myself. I’ll be keeping 
> my same carrier and that might make activation a bit easier. Can anyone walk 
> me through the steps of getting an iPhone in the mail and going through the 
> set up process including turning on voiceover initially and doing all the set 
> up work? As I said I’ll still be using the same carrier so if you can also 
> tell me how I would activate the phone with my carrier and transfer my 
> existing account to the new phone. Thanks 1 million. What a pain in the ass 
> these pandemic restrictions are. restrictions are.
> 
> 
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Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Tim,
I’m trying to sort all this out, but I’m on Monterey version 12.3, and there’s 
definitely something different now about the way mailbox lists are presented. 
Apparently there are now smart mailboxes, one for “today”, one for “On My Mac”, 
and maybe others. I’m now researching documentation to see if I can get to the 
bottom of all this.
Pete

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> After interacting with the "Favourites, Add button” item, VO-right to the Add 
> button then VO-space to activate.  A new dialog should pop up.  If you 
> VO-right throughout the dialog, there will be a menu item, a Cancel button, 
> an OK button, a title graphic as well as a title heading.  The menu item is 
> the thing you need to VO-space on.  The choices should include all Mailboxes 
> and folders that already exist in your configuration as well as the 
> over-arching ones such as All InBoxes, All Trashes etc.  The All InBoxes 
> should be one of the top-most items to select from.  Once selected, press 
> VO-space or press return to make the selection.  Next, either navigate to the 
> OK button and VO-space on it or just press return as it is the default action.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:10, > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites Add 
>> Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All 
>> Mailboxes” item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the list 
>> that VO identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.
>> If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around 
>> because I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.
>> Thanks again for the help,
>> Pete
>>  
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in your 
>> Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go under the 
>> View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press cmd-option-shift-h to 
>> toggle it visible or not.
>>  
>> Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate 
>> across to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not 
>> see the All InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is 
>> easy.  Locate the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not 
>> visible, press cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with 
>> the Mailboxes list, and the first item in this list should be announced as 
>> “Favourites, Add button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to 
>> the Add button and VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  
>> Once it has been re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever it 
>> landed to the first position.  The first position is cmd-1, the second 
>> positioned item is cmd-2 and so on.
>>  
>> If you need assistance with the drag & drop process, let me know.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
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>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 10:04, >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I’d get 
>>> the “All Inboxes” option where I could see combined mail from my two 
>>> accounts. This morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts 
>>> folder instead, and the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes 
>>> table. Do I remember right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to 
>>> the Mailbox list table, and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I’ve 
>>> tried looking this issue up, but all I’ve seen so far is the all Mailboxes 
>>> selection disappearing from Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native M

VMWare Fusion On Mac OS Monterey

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,
If this has come up before, apologies for the repeat. I’ve upgraded my early 
2015 MacBook Air to Monterey, and am now trying to get VMWare Fusion up and 
running. I had one of the earliest instances of VMWare 11 previously, and 
removed it first, then I installed the latest version, 12.2 I think it is. I’ve 
got a free personal license, and used the Easy Install feature, but whenever I 
try to start my Windows 10 Home X64 machine, it either hangs or I can’t seem to 
get to the machine’s window. The Windows machine is configured with all of 
VMWare’s defaults, except I increased memory to 4GB instead of 2GB. If anyone 
is using VMWare under Monterey, do you have any ideas of settings I might need 
to change? I guess it could be that early 2015 MacBook Airs are a little too 
old as well.
Thanks for any help or ideas,
Pete De Vasto

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Playing Voicemail Messages Thru iPhone Speaker Extremely Low

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi and Happy 2021 to all,

I’ve got the new iPhone 2nd Generation SE phone, and I’m having trouble getting 
a decent volume level when I try changing the Playback Destination to the 
speaker when in Voicemail. In fact, I’m not sure if the destination changes at 
all when I press that button. No matter what I do, I have to put the phone 
close to my ear when playing a message. Has anyone else encountered this 
problem? If so, have you figured out a way to correct it?

Many thanks for any suggestions,
Pete De Vasto

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Searching For Particular Messages In Mail on Catalina

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

In Mail on Catalina, I want to find a message from a particular person. I can 
get to the toolbar and a search button within that toolbar, but VO keeps saying 
Search popup button, and I can’t seem to be able to get into an edit box where 
I can type what I’m looking for. Doing Command+F to invoke the Find command 
isn’t doing what I want, either, so I’m probably missing something very 
obvious, or maybe going about this search in the wrong way. I’d appreciate any 
help and/or ideas on this.

Thanks,
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Re: Searching For Particular Messages In Mail on Catalina

[Pete De Vasto]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. Quite honestly, I did mention 
Command-F and had forgotten about Command-Option-F, that works for me as well.

Pete

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 7:10 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Command option f always works in mail for me also.
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> First of all, at least for me the search box is at the end of my Toolbar not 
>> the beginning, so I would expect VO-ENd to get there.
>> Secondly, when in the primary Mail pane, I always find that command-option-F 
>> gets me to the Mailbox search box. The command-F search functionality is 
>> usually set up for text string searches, like in mail bodies or word 
>> processing. When you want to get to the search toolbar in a finder window or 
>> someplace else that is providing a list of items you are trying to find 
>> which item contains specific criteria it usually is command-option-F that 
>> does this.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 14:04, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On my Mac mini, using Mac Mail, on Catalina,, I was able to search for mail 
>>> from an individual sender as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1.  I navigated to, and interacted with the ToolBar in the Mail app.
>>> 2.  After interacting with the ToolBar, I pressed VO + Home, which landed 
>>> me in the Search text field.
>>> 3.  Next, I typed in the first few letters of the sender’s name, then used 
>>> the down arrow to access a drop-down list of result categories, and 
>>> selected the most relevant result, and then pressed Enter.
>>> 4.  I then used VO + J, to navigate to the Mailbox list, where the results 
>>> of my search are listed.
>>> 
>>> Note:
>>> 1.  I am using Column Layout.
>>> 2.  When finished, I returned to the Search edit box in the ToolBar, to 
>>> clear my search criteria.
>>> 3.  I am using a full size keyboard, with extended keys.  If using the 
>>> smaller MacBook keyboard, use FN + VO + RightArrow, to navigate to the 
>>> Search edit field, after interacting with the ToolBar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 12:30, Pete De Vasto >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> In Mail on Catalina, I want to find a message from a particular person. I 
>>> can get to the toolbar and a search button within that toolbar, but VO 
>>> keeps saying Search popup button, and I can’t seem to be able to get into 
>>> an edit box where I can type what I’m looking for. Doing Command+F to 
>>> invoke the Find command isn’t doing what I want, either, so I’m probably 
>>> missing something very obvious, or maybe going about this search in the 
>>> wrong way. I’d appreciate any help and/or ideas on this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Microsoft Teams On iPhone And Accessibility

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I know this topic has come up before, but of course, I had no reason to care 
about using Teams on my iPhone at the time, so I didn’t save much of the info. 
Today, however, I was trying to get into a meeting on Teams using my iPhone 
running iOS 14.4.1, and I could not get it to work at all. I tried several 
times, and on one or two of the attempts I did hear VO say “Connecting”, but it 
just sat there. Fortunately, I was able to get in via the phone call method, 
but I’d like to learn more about using the app directly. Is there any 
documentation about using Teams anywhere that I could get hold of? Is there any 
tweaking of settings that should be done to make things go better with VO?

Thanks so much,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Using a VM for windows.

[Pete De Vasto]

I’ve got VMWare 11, but thought it would be cool to upgrade to version 12. I 
don’t have a VMWare account, so I needed to register, too. All went fine until 
I got to the part where I needed to fill in the captcha. It even had an option 
to speak what I needed to type, but I could not for the life of me find any 
place to click verify I’m not a robot. This is sad on their part, if you ask 
me, unless I’m missing something somewhere. I actually tried registering both 
on Safari with VoiceOver and then went to my Windows PC to see if I might have 
better luck with JAWS and MS Edge, but nope, no go there either.

Pete

> On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> I heard fusion is free for personal use now.
> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal 
> 
> But I’m having trouble creating and account.
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 9:29 PM, matthew dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Vertual box is free, but not sure how well it works with windows.  I use 
>> fusion and it is the most accessible.  Not sure how much it costs as I 
>> bought it a while ago.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Matt Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:21 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Using a VM for windows.
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> Was wondering if anyone new of a free option for a VM, or should i just use 
>> Fusion?
>> Also I was curious about something call CrossOver. It says it will let you 
>> run windows apps without using a vm? but I wasn’t sure if that would 
>> actually work with VO.
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Re: Using a VM for windows.

[Pete De Vasto]

I agree that the spoken number combination is one of the best I have heard as 
well. That’s not the problem. The problem is how do I get the page to accept 
what I type? I could not find any button or link, and pressing RETURN didn’t 
work either.

Pete

> On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Well, that speech version of the captcha is one of the simplest I’ve ever 
> encountered. Just four letters/numbers, and pretty darn clear. Why not give 
> it a try before casting aspersions?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Apr 8, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I’ve got VMWare 11, but thought it would be cool to upgrade to version 12. I 
> don’t have a VMWare account, so I needed to register, too. All went fine 
> until I got to the part where I needed to fill in the captcha. It even had an 
> option to speak what I needed to type, but I could not for the life of me 
> find any place to click verify I’m not a robot. This is sad on their part, if 
> you ask me, unless I’m missing something somewhere. I actually tried 
> registering both on Safari with VoiceOver and then went to my Windows PC to 
> see if I might have better luck with JAWS and MS Edge, but nope, no go there 
> either.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Matt Turner > <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I heard fusion is free for personal use now.
>> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal 
>> <https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal>
>> But I’m having trouble creating and account.
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 9:29 PM, matthew dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Vertual box is free, but not sure how well it works with windows.  I use 
>>> fusion and it is the most accessible.  Not sure how much it costs as I 
>>> bought it a while ago.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:21 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Using a VM for windows.
>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> Was wondering if anyone new of a free option for a VM, or should i just use 
>>> Fusion?
>>> Also I was curious about something call CrossOver. It says it will let you 
>>> run windows apps without using a vm? but I wasn’t sure if that would 
>>> actually work with VO.
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Re: Using a VM for windows.

[Pete De Vasto]

Thank you ever so much, Dave! I thought I could get away with not having those 
guys send me e-mails, but as soon as I checked that box along with the other “I 
agree” ones, you are right. It worked, and now I’m downloading the software. 
Hopefully there will be a way to opt out of their e-mails if it gets to be too 
much. 

Thanks again for the help,
Pete in Portland, OR BTW

> On Apr 9, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Pete, the problem I had was similar. However I needed to make sure that every 
> field and combo box was correctly filled in — no blanks allowed. Also both 
> those checkboxes. It finally worked.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Apr 9, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I agree that the spoken number combination is one of the best I have heard as 
> well. That’s not the problem. The problem is how do I get the page to accept 
> what I type? I could not find any button or link, and pressing RETURN didn’t 
> work either.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Dave Carlson > <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that speech version of the captcha is one of the simplest I’ve ever 
>> encountered. Just four letters/numbers, and pretty darn clear. Why not give 
>> it a try before casting aspersions?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve got VMWare 11, but thought it would be cool to upgrade to version 12. I 
>> don’t have a VMWare account, so I needed to register, too. All went fine 
>> until I got to the part where I needed to fill in the captcha. It even had 
>> an option to speak what I needed to type, but I could not for the life of me 
>> find any place to click verify I’m not a robot. This is sad on their part, 
>> if you ask me, unless I’m missing something somewhere. I actually tried 
>> registering both on Safari with VoiceOver and then went to my Windows PC to 
>> see if I might have better luck with JAWS and MS Edge, but nope, no go there 
>> either.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Matt Turner >> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard fusion is free for personal use now.
>>> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal 
>>> <https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal>
>>> But I’m having trouble creating and account.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 9:29 PM, matthew dyer >>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Vertual box is free, but not sure how well it works with windows.  I use 
>>>> fusion and it is the most accessible.  Not sure how much it costs as I 
>>>> bought it a while ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Turner
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:21 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Using a VM for windows.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> Was wondering if anyone new of a free option for a VM, or should i just 
>>>> use Fusion?
>>>> Also I was curious about something call CrossOver. It says it will let you 
>>>> run windows apps without using a vm? but I wasn’t sure if that would 
>>>> actually work with VO.
>>>> 
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Re: Windows 10 on VMware Fusion.

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Anders,

This same thing happened to me over a year ago when I first tried getting Win10 
up and running under VMWare. I don’t remember all the details, but I seem to 
remember the problem being caused by VMware Fusion not being able to access 
everything on your Mac. Go to System Preferences > Privacy and Security > 
Privacy tab, and make sure VMWWare Fusion.app has complete control of your 
computer. That may not be everything necessary, but hopefully it’ll give you a 
start.

Pete De Vasto

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know if this matters but I have installed Windows 10 onto my VMware 
> Fusion.
> I don’t have a License key but I think you can run windows 10 in demo mode 
> for some time.
> However I don’t hear any sound when starting Windows up.
> The audio device is connected and I hear my Computers fan work very hard.
> Maybe 4 Gig of memory is to less for windows 10.
> But I only have 8 on my MacBook Air 2015.
> Any ideas are welcome.
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Windows 10 on VMware Fusion.

[Pete De Vasto]

What Braille Display are you using, and what version of Windows is installed. 
If you don’t know the version, you can press Windows+R, and when it asks for a 
program name, type winner and press ENTER. I agree, the Braille support is not 
the greatest with Narrator, but Microsoft appears to be trying to make things 
better with each new version of Windows they release. I believe another version 
is coming out next month.

Pete

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Certainly it did.
> Narrator works now so things are working great here.
> But I was not impressed by the braille support.
> But I guess I need to do a restart to make it work properly.
> Now its just time to get a license.
> /A
> 
>> 13 apr. 2021 kl. 17:54 skrev Pete De Vasto :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> This same thing happened to me over a year ago when I first tried getting 
>> Win10 up and running under VMWare. I don’t remember all the details, but I 
>> seem to remember the problem being caused by VMware Fusion not being able to 
>> access everything on your Mac. Go to System Preferences > Privacy and 
>> Security > Privacy tab, and make sure VMWWare Fusion.app has complete 
>> control of your computer. That may not be everything necessary, but 
>> hopefully it’ll give you a start.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t know if this matters but I have installed Windows 10 onto my VMware 
>>> Fusion.
>>> I don’t have a License key but I think you can run windows 10 in demo mode 
>>> for some time.
>>> However I don’t hear any sound when starting Windows up.
>>> The audio device is connected and I hear my Computers fan work very hard.
>>> Maybe 4 Gig of memory is to less for windows 10.
>>> But I only have 8 on my MacBook Air 2015.
>>> Any ideas are welcome.
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
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Re: experience with N1 MacBook Air

[Pete De Vasto]

Donna,

I so totally understand and feel terrible about all the frustrations you’ve 
been going through with this setup. I know, through talking with you on another 
list, that you do have access to Braille as well. Have you, by any chance, 
attempted to hook up a Braille Display to see if VO communicates at least with 
that? Perhaps that might be an alternative to help you. I know that Braille 
support is not the greatest, but it has in fact bailed me out sometimes, so had 
to ask.   And I bet you already did think about it, and  maybe you’ve  even 
tried That option.

Pete De Vasto

> On May 5, 2021, at 3:04 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Ugh! My belated sympathies.  I've been buying computers since 1990, and this 
> is the worst experience I've ever had.  Glad you got your situation sorted 
> out.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 5, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Michael Marshall  
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>> 
>> ahh,
>> Another extremely painful Time Machine migration.
>> I had this exact same problem when I picked up my 2019 MacBook Pro.
>> Sometimes there are settings from the old system that don't play nice with a 
>> brand-new Mac.
>> It's one of the reasons I use carbon copy cloner but still, this should not 
>> happen but I'm sure it was not fun at all. Certainly wasn't in my case.
>> 
>>> On 6 May 2021, at 4:59 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently there has been a discussion about the new MBA, so I thought I 
>>> would share my experience.
>>> 
>>> I unboxed my MBA yesterday afternoon, and it's been nothin but a headache 
>>> since.  When I booted it for the first time, all seemed fine.  But after I 
>>> migrated my data using a time machine backup, VO went silent.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday afternoon I called Apple Accessibility, and spent a half hour on 
>>> hold, then another half hour on the phone with some idiot who spent the 
>>> call directing me to position the camera on my phone with one hand so she 
>>> could see the screen, while she directed the finger on my other hand to 
>>> select and activate items on the trackpad.  to say the least, the 
>>> experience was unpleasant and frustrating, and I finally just gave up and 
>>> hung up.  My husband and I spent most of last night trying to troubleshoot 
>>> the problem, as I could do nothing without sighted assistance.  We were not 
>>> successful.
>>> 
>>> This morning I called Apple to request a replacement.  I spent another half 
>>> hour on the phone with a very nice support person, at the end of which, he 
>>> directed me to take my computer to the local authorized Apple Service 
>>> dealer.  My husband and I both just took two hours off work to do that.  I 
>>> just got back from there.  They weren't able to fix it either.  He said 
>>> that it looks like VO is unable to select a voice, and has recommended that 
>>> I install the latest Big Sur update.  I'm downloading it now.  If that 
>>> doesn't work, I'm going to demand a return, and go back to using my 2017 
>>> MacBook Pro, which works just fine.
>>> 
>>> So, that's my experience with the new MBA, FWIW.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
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Re: touch typing

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Lorie,

This drove me nuts for quite a while, too. You’ll want to go to Settings > 
General > Keyboard > all keyboards. The first thing to do is turn Predictive 
off. That will stop the suggestions from coming up. And then, if you also turn 
slide to type off, that should make your life a whole lot easier, too.

Pete De Vasto
> On May 29, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Maybe there isn't. I was just hoping. it's not a problem unless the app I'm 
> using won't let me use braille screen input which sometimes happens.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 29, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I’ve noticed this as well, and that it’s just become increasingly sensitive, 
> but didn’t think there was much that could be done about it.
> 
>> On May 29, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> as the ios versions have gone up I have had increasing problems with touch 
>> typing on my phone. sometimes if I'm moving my finger around trying to find 
>> the correct letter or number I'll start getting suggestions and before I 
>> know it it's putting words in there for me and I haven't even lifted my 
>> finger off the screen. I've tried a lighter touch and that helps some but 
>> it's still a pretty pervasive problem for me. any suggestions?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

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You’re right, Brad, control Delete did not work on my Mac. However, another 
alternative to bringing up the Apple menu, besides VO+M, is Control+f2.

Pete

> On May 31, 2021, at 6:13 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Yes, of course.
> In my experience,  this may not  work on all max.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 06:56, Chuck Reichel  
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> Hi Brad,
> 
> Heres a faster way to shutdown.
> •1 hit the “control and the delete key.
> •Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
> Thats it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
> options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.
> 
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>> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
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>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Trimming A Video Under iOS 14

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If this topic has come up before, please accept apologies. I’ve not taken too 
many videos up to now, but did get one the other day that I wanted to share 
with a friend. I was hoping to be able to cut out the first 10 seconds or so 
before sharing, so I went into Photos on my 2nd generation iPhone SE running 
iOS 14.6, selected the video, and went to Edit. I see there are several 
indicators, start, key frame, and end. VO says all indicators are adjustable, 
but it also says they are images, and I can’t seem to move them. When I play 
the video, the key frame value does adjust, so I was thinking that if I could 
somehow adjust the start indicator to match the key frame, I could do what I 
wanted.

Is there a known bug  or setting change that I might be missing? Has anyone 
come up with an alternative to trimming a video on an iPhone?

Thanks, in advance,
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Re: Trimming A Video Under iOS 14

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Hi Phil,

That was a great suggestion that I had forgotten about, but it did not work 
initially. So, I contacted Apple  Accessibility, who gave me these steps:

1. Open Photos and select the video you wish to edit.
2. Activate Edit, button.
3. Move focus of VoiceOver until you are on the Start of the video. This 
typically is after the Play, button and Media Scrubber.
4. Double tap with one finger to activate the Start handle.
5. Swipe up or down with one finger to adjust the value. VoiceOver will 
announce the new start time with each gesture.
6. Activate Done, button to save your changes.

If these steps do not work, you may have Describe Images on for Photos. Turn 
the rotor to Describe Images and temporarily turn it off for Photos.

In my case, Described Images for Photos was not included on my rotor, so I 
added it. And, voila, as soon as I turned this feature off, the sliders did 
work. Only pain was that each swipe increased the start value by only a tenth 
of a second. So it took some time to get to the 14 second point I wanted for 
the trim. But, at least I know I can do it now!

Pete De Vasto
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 5:58 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Hi Pete did you try a pass-through gesture? You know double tap and hold then 
> slide while on those sliders. I’m not saying that that works just that 
> sometimes these controls do respond to pass-through gestures
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> If this topic has come up before, please accept apologies. I’ve not taken 
>> too many videos up to now, but did get one the other day that I wanted to 
>> share with a friend. I was hoping to be able to cut out the first 10 seconds 
>> or so before sharing, so I went into Photos on my 2nd generation iPhone SE 
>> running iOS 14.6, selected the video, and went to Edit. I see there are 
>> several indicators, start, key frame, and end. VO says all indicators are 
>> adjustable, but it also says they are images, and I can’t seem to move them. 
>> When I play the video, the key frame value does adjust, so I was thinking 
>> that if I could somehow adjust the start indicator to match the key frame, I 
>> could do what I wanted.
>> 
>> Is there a known bug  or setting change that I might be missing? Has anyone 
>> come up with an alternative to trimming a video on an iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Keystroek That Mutes Headphone Audio

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I’ve got a Mac mini running Catalina, and my primary speakers are connected to 
the headphone jack. The other day, I was pressing keys kind of fast, and one of 
the keystrokes I did muted my headphones. I was still able to unplug them and 
get output from VO  so I could troubleshoot using the internal speaker. The 
only way I was able to get sound back through the headphone jack was to go to 
System Preferences > Sound > Output, and uncheck the mute box. As an aside, VO 
didn’t tell me it was a checkbox, I just pressed space hoping that would work, 
and thank goodness it did, so everything is back to normal!

I’ve been looking through different lists of shortcuts, but I can’t find a 
keystroke that would have initially done the muting. So now, does anyone know 
what shortcut I might have done to cause the headphones to go silent?

Pete De Vasto

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Re: adobe flash player

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For me, the .dmg file went into my Downloads folder. It’s really tricky to run, 
because VO doesn’t do a good job reading the buttons you need, just calling 
them images. What I resorted to doing, once I realized the app was open and 
running, was to navigate by the keyboard, and I got to first the uninstall 
button and pressed RETURN, then on the next screen I tabbed to each browser’s 
button, and then on the final screen all I saw was an image, and I just assumed 
that the uninstall was done so I closed the app. I’m short on time right now, 
but perhaps someone else here can document this further, but I’m glad, I hope, 
that the app is gone now from my system. Oh, I’m running Catalina BTW.

Pete

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
> Mac:
> 
> HTH.
> 
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> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
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> 
> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
> Jan 12, 2021
> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
> from an older Internet browsing era. 
> 
> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. It 
> was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media creators 
> than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
> 
> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
> installer for malware purposes 
> 
>  also probably hastened its demise. 
> 
> Adobe announced in 2017 
> 
>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
> Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, Google, 
> Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
> end-of-life the technology. 
> 
> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player itself, 
> followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running at all 
> from January 12. 
> 
> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
> actively advising 
> users to 
> uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
> 
> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
> for themselves in its last days of life. 
> 
> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the 
> EOL date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support 
> 
>  for Adobe Flash in early 2020, after previously requiring users to 
> explicitly enable it, while Firefox 
> 
>  version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same removal of 
> support is on the way for Chrome  and 
> Microsoft Edge 
> .
>  
> 
> For iPhone  and iPad 
>  users, Flash hasn't ever been a 
> problem, as iOS and iPadOS devices never supported the technology. 
> 
> Flash isn't being completely killed off, however, as Adobe has offered 
> support avenues for enterprise customers 
> 
>  needing Flash Player for internal business systems. For the web at large, 
> however, Flash is basically dead. 
> 
> While web browsers are removing support and it will be seemingly inert, 
> there's still some work you have to do to get rid of the last remnants of it 
> from your Mac. The Flash Player is a separate applicatio

Finder: Move To Top Or Bottom Of File List

[Pete De Vasto]

Hello everyone,

I have quite a few files on my Mac, so when I go into finder, the list is quite 
long. It’s great to be able to sort the list in a number of different ways, but 
I cannot for the life of me figure out how to go to the first or last file on 
the list. So, for example, if I sort by date added, I’d like to quickly be able 
to go to the file I most recently added. I’ve looked on Apple Support for a 
shortcut, but can’t find one. Does that mean there simply isn’t any?

Thanks for any help,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Finder: Move To Top Or Bottom Of File List

[Pete De Vasto]

The OPT Plus options are about the only ones I didn’t try, and yes they were 
exactly what I was looking for! Thanks to both Brad and Tim. I like the 
alternate option if I happen to be interacting with the items.

Pete

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Further to Brad’s suggestion, if you have interacted with the list of items, 
> you can use the VO- commands for moving to the first and last items of a 
> window.  VO-Home takes you to the first item within a window, VO-shift-Home 
> takes you to the first visible item in the window.  VO-End and VO-shift-End 
> for the respective last items.  These VO commands work within any window on 
> your Mac.  Brad’s suggestion is likely best though for what you’d like to do 
> as it goes to the first item in the particular list you are focused on, 
> excluding headers etc.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Try using OPT plus up or down arrow.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:39, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have quite a few files on my Mac, so when I go into finder, the list is 
> quite long. It’s great to be able to sort the list in a number of different 
> ways, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to go to the first or 
> last file on the list. So, for example, if I sort by date added, I’d like to 
> quickly be able to go to the file I most recently added. I’ve looked on Apple 
> Support for a shortcut, but can’t find one. Does that mean there simply isn’t 
> any?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
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Messages Handling With iOS 13.5

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi again,

I’m not sure when this started happening, maybe iOS 13.4, but whenever I get 
notified that someone has sent me a message, and I go into messages to act on 
it, instead of going into the conversation area, I get a list of predicted 
responses, like OK, thanks, thank you, and a few more I can’t remember. I don’t 
need to see these responses, so is there any way I can stop this from 
happening? I hope this is making sense.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Donna and all,

I’m very late to the party with this thread, and my suggestion may have already 
been posted. I have an older Focus 40 Blue display, and when I’m on the home 
screen I can press Space + dots 4, 5 and 6, and focus lands on the right-most 
icon of the dock. Since there are only four items on the dock, it’s not a big 
deal, at least for me, to move left a time or two to get to the icon on the 
dock that I want. I also went to VO settings, and looked at the Braille 
commands lists as I am sure you have as well, and I couldn’t find a specific Go 
To Dock command. Hopefully space + 4 5 6 is a good enough workaround, although 
I know it’s not ideal.

Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Donna, did you move the mail app to the very far right on the dock?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/28/2020 9:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Thanks, Anders, but I’m looking for a braille display command, not a qwerty 
>> command.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Or you could use the command m to open mail without going to the doc.
>>> Its the right command key though.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 27 juni 2020 kl. 20:33 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>>  An idea. If the dock qualifies as a container then you can assign 
>>>> commands to move to the top ot bottom of the container.
>>>> 
>>>>  Also too, you can move those apps to different locations on the dock.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/27/2020 11:31 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> No, I don't either.
>>>>> So Mail is the first item in my dock. I want to be able to issue a 
>>>>> keyboard command, and land on Mail so I can open it. Just trying to 
>>>>> minimize all the futzing around you have to do when using a keyboard with 
>>>>> iOS.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Well maybe I don't understand. iPhone or iPad? There are only 4/5 items 
>>>>>> on the dock. Thre is no top to the dock. Clue me in. :) I did not see ay 
>>>>>> options for the dock in the assignment list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/27/2020 11:18 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> I do, but that takes you all the way to the end of the screen. It’s not 
>>>>>>> a huge deal, you just have to scroll backwards them. But it seems like 
>>>>>>> there should be a braille command for moving the dock. I wonder if you 
>>>>>>> can create it with a custom command. Maybe I’ll play around with that.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:16 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    There is not a specific command for the dock. It is the last item 
>>>>>>>> on the screen so use space 4-5-6.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/27/2020 10:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I tried that, but it doesn't work. At least not with my VU.
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>>>>>>>>>

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

[Pete De Vasto]

Just a thought, Donna: Unlike Mac OS where the dock is always present, unless 
I’m missing something, the only way you can make the dock visible on the iPhone 
is to get back to the home screen from whatever app you are in. Maybe there’s a 
way you could creat some sort of script to do a VO+H to get to the home screen 
and then VO+Dots 4 5 6 to get to the dock. For now I think, ultimately, as E.T. 
has already said, that the best solution for you is to rearrange the four items 
on your dock, thinking about which one you use most (like Mail for you, right?) 
and putting that one on the very right side. Will it take getting used to? You 
bet! Will you double-tap on the wrong one a time or two? Sure! But, once you 
get used to the new arrangement, I bet you’ll be glad you did it! I’ve 
rearranged my dock a few times when I’ve needed to and boy has that come in 
handy! And drag and drop is pretty good now with VO, at least it has been for 
me. OK, end of rearranging icons sales pitch, I hope you don’t mind donna!

Pete De Vasto
 
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Yeah, I think dots 456-chord is as good as it gets. It just surprises me. 
> Moving to the dock is such a common thing on i-devices that I would think 
> there would be a command for it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna and all,
>> 
>> I’m very late to the party with this thread, and my suggestion may have 
>> already been posted. I have an older Focus 40 Blue display, and when I’m on 
>> the home screen I can press Space + dots 4, 5 and 6, and focus lands on the 
>> right-most icon of the dock. Since there are only four items on the dock, 
>> it’s not a big deal, at least for me, to move left a time or two to get to 
>> the icon on the dock that I want. I also went to VO settings, and looked at 
>> the Braille commands lists as I am sure you have as well, and I couldn’t 
>> find a specific Go To Dock command. Hopefully space + 4 5 6 is a good enough 
>> workaround, although I know it’s not ideal.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, did you move the mail app to the very far right on the dock?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2020 9:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Anders, but I’m looking for a braille display command, not a 
>>>> qwerty command.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Or you could use the command m to open mail without going to the doc.
>>>>> Its the right command key though.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 27 juni 2020 kl. 20:33 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> An idea. If the dock qualifies as a container then you can assign 
>>>>>> commands to move to the top ot bottom of the container.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also too, you can move those apps to different locations on the dock.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/27/2020 11:31 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> No, I don't either.
>>>>>>> So Mail is the first item in my dock. I want to be able to issue a 
>>>>>>> keyboard command, and land on Mail so I can open it. Just trying to 
>>>>>>> minimize all the futzing around you have to do when using a keyboard 
>>>>>>> with iOS.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well maybe I don't understand. iPhone or iPad? There are only 4/5 
>>>>>>>> items on the dock. Thre is no top to the dock. Clue me in. :)

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Pete De Vasto]

I agree with Dave. This list is no place for the current tangent we’re on.

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Uh-oh. Time to mute a topic.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:35 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> when you are held down by the neck by a racist cop, you can talk until then 
> shut up! there is absolutely no comparison *at* all, and whites have no clue. 
> how absolutely and totally disgusting. white male privelege is real people. 
> you don’t have to stand up for yourself. society does it for you! 
> 
> Alia
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I thought that the quote could be taken a few directions and hoped that 
> it wasn't as inappropriate as it could be.  But, from this response, I agree 
> that it is over the top and out of line.  Very disappointed indeed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 04:57, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we can’t 
> stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!
> 
> 
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Raymond,
>>  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>>> I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
>>> new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini 
>>> with the new Apple chip set.
>>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
 On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo >>> > wrote:
 
 This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover 
 support in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a 
 great start.
 https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
 
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Re: HomeKit thermostat?

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Donna,

I, too, have the Nest thermostat, and yes, the app is pretty straight forward. 
Like you, I particularly like the fact that wherever I am in the house I can 
adjust the temperature as needed. My only complaint so far is that I can’t use 
the schedule feature, but have to keep adjusting the temperature for days until 
the thermostat learns what I want it to do. When you used the app, did you ever 
try working the schedule? I also do have the Google app, but haven’t looked 
into using that one with my thermostat. I’ll take any ideas or suggestions.

Thanks so much,
Pete De Vasto

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> We have the Ecobee. Mostly I use that app rather than the home app, or I just 
> use Siri. Ecobee has done a nice job with accessibility. My only criticism 
> is, having also used the Nest app, I like the Nest app better. It's less 
> layered, so easier to do things like modify the temperature. I think Ecobee 
> operates on the premise that you will set regular temps and mostly just leave 
> them there, which is not how I operate.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone here have a HomeKit thermostat?ure.
> 
>> Such as the ecobee, or Honeywell or another? If so can you give me your 
>> opinions on the accessibility of the app? And do you use the thermostat app 
>> most or the home app?
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
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Wanting To Do Some Very Simplistic Video Editing

[Pete De Vasto]

I just got a Clearclick video to digital recorder so I could transfer some old 
camcorder and VCR tapes to a USB flash disk, and then eventually might want to 
burn them onto Dvd. With a little sighted, help, I’ve got the device working, 
but the first files I created were huge and had several different parts that I 
was hoping to separate out. I feel kind of sheepish asking this, but is there 
some Mac OS app that I can open that will allow me to mark start and end times 
for a part of my file so I can copy and paste them into a separate one? I 
thought I could use something as elementary as Quicktime Player, but VO doesn’t 
seem to be doing a good job of telling me where I am at any point in the file. 
I’m still on Mojave.

Appreciate any help and thoughts,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: airdrop

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Lorie,

Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on both 
your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, and this 
will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says “allow me to be 
discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, Contacts or everyone. 
Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by other devices close to it, 
like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, send a photo to your Mac from your 
iPhone, you find the photo in question, open it, and then VO to the Share 
button and double tap it. One of the share options will be Airdrop. When you 
double-tap Airdrop, your Mac should come up on the list of devices. Double tap 
on the Mac, and your Mac will give you an alert saying that it’s waiting to 
receive something from your iPhone. You indicate where you want the photo to 
go, I usually put them into my Downloads folder, accept the request, and it 
will be transferred. I hope I’ve not missed anything, but hopefully this will 
at least point you in the right direction.

Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? also, 
> how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: airdrop

[Pete De Vasto]

I would choose everyone for starters. If you do Contacts, that would restrict 
access to only people in your Contacts. Once you choose Everyone, you should 
see your phone in the device list. Also, you’ll have to make sure Airdrop is 
available on your iPhone. Go to Settings > General > Airdrop, and make sure 
that Everyone is selected there as well. Sorry to have missed that.

Pete

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> in the choice of noone, everyone or contacts only, which do you choose? I 
> found something that said "me" and "Device List" but I couldn't actually find 
> a device list.
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lorie,
>> 
>> Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on 
>> both your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, 
>> and this will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says “allow 
>> me to be discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, Contacts or 
>> everyone. Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by other devices 
>> close to it, like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, send a photo to 
>> your Mac from your iPhone, you find the photo in question, open it, and then 
>> VO to the Share button and double tap it. One of the share options will be 
>> Airdrop. When you double-tap Airdrop, your Mac should come up on the list of 
>> devices. Double tap on the Mac, and your Mac will give you an alert saying 
>> that it’s waiting to receive something from your iPhone. You indicate where 
>> you want the photo to go, I usually put them into my Downloads folder, 
>> accept the request, and it will be transferred. I hope I’ve not missed 
>> anything, but hopefully this will at least point you in the right direction.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? also, 
>>> how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: airdrop

[Pete De Vasto]

Not sure what you mean by your question. The one thing you have to remember is 
that Airdrop uses bluetooth, and for Bluetooth to work the two devices you 
intend to use have to be within a couple feet of each other. Also, make sure 
that in your Airdrop settings, the devices are discoverable by everyone or 
contacts.

Hope that helps,
Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 7:58 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello. 
> 
> I wrote my Email before I saw this reply.
> 
> Can you not Airdrop with friends and facilth?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:58 PM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: airdrop
> 
> Hi Lorie,
> 
> Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on 
> both your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, and 
> this will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says “allow me 
> to be discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, Contacts or 
> everyone. Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by other devices 
> close to it, like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, send a photo to 
> your Mac from your iPhone, you find the photo in question, open it, and then 
> VO to the Share button and double tap it. One of the share options will be 
> Airdrop. When you double-tap Airdrop, your Mac should come up on the list of 
> devices. Double tap on the Mac, and your Mac will give you an alert saying 
> that it’s waiting to receive something from your iPhone. You indicate where 
> you want the photo to go, I usually put them into my Downloads folder, accept 
> the request, and it will be transferred. I hope I’ve not missed anything, but 
> hopefully this will at least point you in the right direction.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? also, 
>> how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: airdrop

[Pete De Vasto]

My bad…. Dave’s right, 30 feet closer to the truth, sorry.

Pete

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Actually BlueTooth is rated for up to 30 feet…
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> 
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Not sure what you mean by your question. The one thing you have to remember 
> is that Airdrop uses bluetooth, and for Bluetooth to work the two devices you 
> intend to use have to be within a couple feet of each other. Also, make sure 
> that in your Airdrop settings, the devices are discoverable by everyone or 
> contacts.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 7:58 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello. 
>> 
>> I wrote my Email before I saw this reply.
>> 
>> Can you not Airdrop with friends and facilth?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:58 PM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: airdrop
>> 
>> Hi Lorie,
>> 
>> Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on 
>> both your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, 
>> and this will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says “allow 
>> me to be discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, Contacts or 
>> everyone. Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by other devices 
>> close to it, like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, send a photo to 
>> your Mac from your iPhone, you find the photo in question, open it, and then 
>> VO to the Share button and double tap it. One of the share options will be 
>> Airdrop. When you double-tap Airdrop, your Mac should come up on the list of 
>> devices. Double tap on the Mac, and your Mac will give you an alert saying 
>> that it’s waiting to receive something from your iPhone. You indicate where 
>> you want the photo to go, I usually put them into my Downloads folder, 
>> accept the request, and it will be transferred. I hope I’ve not missed 
>> anything, but hopefully this will at least point you in the right direction.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? also, 
>>> how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: airdrop

[Pete De Vasto]

Airdrop only works with iOS or OS devices. And you use it to share files, not 
messages. Your Airdrop does have to be discoverable by anyone, and whoever you 
might want to share files with also has to have that same setting.  When you 
choose Airdrop from the Share option, anyone who has Airdrop running, is within 
bluetooth range of your device, and allows anyone to discover their device will 
show up on the list of people you can share with. If you are talking about only 
sending messages, it doesn’t matter what kind of device they have, so long as 
they can do texting. 

Pete De Vasto
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 2:02 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi There.
> 
> I was writing my last message on a braille display using windows so I am not 
> sure what my question was.
> 
> Anyway, I’m writing on my Mac again so I’ll ask my question as I think I may 
> remember what I meant.
> 
> Anyway, I’d like to know if you make yourself discoverable with anyone, can 
> you air drop messages to anyone (let’s say) you were in a room of strangers 
> and you wanted to send something to one of them.  Can you only airdrop to IOS 
> and OS users?  How do you know that someone can Airdrop?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:43, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> My bad…. Dave’s right, 30 feet closer to the truth, sorry.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually BlueTooth is rated for up to 30 feet…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure what you mean by your question. The one thing you have to remember 
>>> is that Airdrop uses bluetooth, and for Bluetooth to work the two devices 
>>> you intend to use have to be within a couple feet of each other. Also, make 
>>> sure that in your Airdrop settings, the devices are discoverable by 
>>> everyone or contacts.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 7:58 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello. 
>>>> 
>>>> I wrote my Email before I saw this reply.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you not Airdrop with friends and facilth?
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>>> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:58 PM
>>>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> Subject: Re: airdrop
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Lorie,
>>>> 
>>>> Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on 
>>>> both your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, 
>>>> and this will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says 
>>>> “allow me to be discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, 
>>>> Contacts or everyone. Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by 
>>>> other devices close to it, like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, 
>>>> send a photo to your Mac from your iPhone, you find the photo in question, 
>>>> open it, and then VO to the Share button and double tap it. One of the 
>>>> share options will be Airdrop. When you double-tap Airdrop, your Mac 
>>>> should come up on the list of devices. Double tap on the Mac, and your Mac 
>>>> will give you an alert saying that it’s waiting to receive something from 
>>>> your iPhone. You indicate where you want the photo to go, I usually put 
>>>> them into my Downloads folder, accept the request, and it will be 
>>>> transferred. I hope I’ve not missed anything, but hopefully this will at 
>>>> least point you in the right direction.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete De Vasto
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? 
>>>>> also, how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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Re: muting system voice

[Pete De Vasto]

I figured out a way you can add an unused keyboard letter to the keyboard 
commander in Voiceover Utility to do what you want. I just set my Mute Speech 
toggle to right-Option+Q (for quiet). Here’s what I did:

1. Press VO-F8 to open Voiceover Utility.
2. Move down to the Commanders category item.
3. VO right to the keyboard tab, and press VO+space to Select it.
4. VO right and make sure that Enable Keyboard Commander is checked.
5. VO right again, and you’ll hear “use”, then right-option popup button. You 
have three choices here, the right option key, the left option key, or both. I 
left this option as is, right option.
6. VO right again, and you will be in a table showing all the keys which 
already have commands assigned to them.
7. Press VO+Shift+Down arrow to interact with this table, and move up and down 
the list to see what keys have already been taken. On my system there were five.
8. VO right once more, and you will land on an Add button. Press VO+space to 
activate it.
9. Now, you’re in a text field where you want to enter the key to use to toggle 
muting of speech. I used the letter Q because it stands for quiet, and that 
letter happened not to have been taken already. You can use whatever available 
key you want that’s easy to remember.
10. One last VO right, and you’ll land on a command menu. Press VO+Space to 
activate it.
11. Now, arrow down the menu until you get to speech submenu. Once there,  
press right arrow to go into the sub-menu, and  arrow down to Mute speech 
toggle, and press VO+space to select it.
12. Now, exit voiceover Utility with command+Q. 

You should now be able to toggle the muting of speech by pressing 
right-option+q.  hope this does what you want, and just in case I missed 
anything please someone don’t hesitate to jump in.

Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jean,
> 
> Not sure if you have a desktop or a laptop.  You can mute and unmute 
> voiceover by doing a three finger double tap  on the track pad.
> 
> Was this what you are wanting?  If you are also using braille, the braille 
> still works without vo chattering away at you.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2020, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> Is there a hot key to temperarily mute the system voice? I am finding that 
>> when using zoom the system voice is very intrusive and annoying. If there 
>> isn’t a hot key, is there a way to do it some other way? I have tried to do 
>> this through key commander with no luck.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jean
>> 
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Re: numlock

[Pete De Vasto]

Dan is right. On the Apple keyboards, if you have a sighted person looking, the 
key is marked Clear. One other thing, though, Do you have Numpad commander 
enabled? If so, that overrides the numlock. I disable Numpad commander, and got 
numbers when I pressed the numbed keys. I was playing with it this morning, but 
now I can’t get numlock to come back on! It doesn’t matter to me because I’m 
using Numpad commander, and once I turned mine back on all went back to what I 
am used to. I hope this is making sense.

Pete De Vasto

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 7:37 AM, dan d.  wrote:
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> The key above 7 on the numpad.
> 
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:
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>> can somebody tell me where the numlock is on a standard Apple keyboard or 
>> where to find that info?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: numlock

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Lorie,

This is a tough one, and I’m not sure there’s a way to have the Numpad keys 
behave exactly like the right-arrow key. I’ve done some experimenting, even 
found something on the Apple site that talks about it, but it seems like the 
only thing you can make those keys do is move the mouse pointer, not the 
regular cursor. Check this link out:

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/if-the-numeric-keypad-doesnt-work-mchlp2366/mac
 
<https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/if-the-numeric-keypad-doesnt-work-mchlp2366/mac>

Perhaps someone else on the list may have an idea.

Pete De Vasto

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I don't know how the numpad commander works. what I'm trying to do is find a 
> work-around for my dead right-arrow key till I can get a new keyboard. do you 
> know how I would do that? I get numbers when I press those keys over there.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan is right. On the Apple keyboards, if you have a sighted person looking, 
>> the key is marked Clear. One other thing, though, Do you have Numpad 
>> commander enabled? If so, that overrides the numlock. I disable Numpad 
>> commander, and got numbers when I pressed the numbed keys. I was playing 
>> with it this morning, but now I can’t get numlock to come back on! It 
>> doesn’t matter to me because I’m using Numpad commander, and once I turned 
>> mine back on all went back to what I am used to. I hope this is making sense.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2020, at 7:37 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The key above 7 on the numpad.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> 
>>>> can somebody tell me where the numlock is on a standard Apple keyboard or 
>>>> where to find that info?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Safari Difficulties Repeatedly Loading WebSites

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Hi all,

I’m still running Mojave and did some updating last week. Since then, Safari 
keeps saying it’s having difficulties trying to load quite a few different web 
sites. It gives you a chance to try reloading, but the reloads fail as well. I 
realize this isn’t totally accessibility related, but wanted to reach out to 
see if anyone else has run into this situation, and how you’ve corrected the 
problem if you’ve been able to.

Thanks so much for any help,
Pete De Vasto

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Safari Version 14

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Hi all,

My sighted wife’s iMac, running Mojave, automatically updated to Safari 14 a 
few days ago, and she immediately started having problems with some sites 
giving messages about having difficulty loading. She also pointed out that 
things looked quite different from what she had previously under Safari 13. I’m 
the techie of the family, but my Mac mini, also running Mojave, had not updated 
to Safari 14 yet. I decided to bite the bullet and bring my system up to the 
same level as hers in hopes I could be of some help to her, so I now also have 
Safari 14. Boy, what a heck of a difference! Has anyone else been upgraded to 
Safari 14, and if so what have your experiences been? I’m a bit overwhelmed, 
and my first thought is I’d love to go back to Safari 13, but I bet that’s not 
possible given how Apple does things. I’ll just have to figure out how to get 
the best experiences with it. By the way, I think I reached out a day or two 
ago asking about the site reloading issue, and think now that it might have 
something to do with Safari 14, but not sure.

Thanks for any thoughts!
Pete De Vasto

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Re: touch I.D. and pass code

[Pete De Vasto]

Lorie,

Go to Settings > Touch ID and Pass Code. There, you’ll find something called 
Require Pass Code After, which is supposed to give you options to tell the 
phone how long before a passcode is required to do stuff. On my phone, which is 
running iOS 13.7, the only option available for me is Immediately. Not sure why 
this is the case, as I remember it used to be you’d have other options up to 15 
minutes. There’s probably another setting somewhere that controls it. You may 
have other options on your phone too. You probably wouldn’t want to do this, 
but there’s also a setting to not have Touch ID required to unlock your phone.

One other thing: I’ve had Touch ID for as long as I can remember, and I’ve 
always been able to do two presses of the Home button and be able to get right 
to a message I want to reply to. The key is to have your finger prints set up 
right. Keep in mind, also, that you can have more than one finger print. In my 
case, I set up finger prints for both my right and left hand index fingers, so 
I can unlock my phone with either hand very quickly.

Hope this helps,
Pete De Vasto

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> can you tell me where that setting is?
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The other thing you can do with the fingerprint ID is to set it to not 
>> require your fingerprint if you unlock your phone in a certain amount of 
>> time. I think it can be as little as 15 minutes or so or as much as 4 hours. 
>> 
>> Gabe 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gabe Griffith 
>> President, California Council of the Blind 
>> (925)222-5762
>> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Face ID is awesome. I will never go back to a phone with the home button 
>>> and touch ID.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:38, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ah ok. not sure if I ever want to deal with face ID but it's good to know 
>>> what my options are.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, when you get a new phone, you can get one with face ID. Then when 
>>>> you unlock it with your face, it'll work like your old one did without a 
>>>> passcode.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ok. thanks. it was more convenient the other way. oh well
>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes. Now you'll need to unlock your phone with touch ID, which will take 
>>>>> you to the home screen. Then you'll need to open messages.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just upgraded from the last iteration of IOS 12 to IOS 14.01. in 12 I 
>>>>> hadn't had touch ID or even a pass code but I set those up in IOS 14.01. 
>>>>> in 12, if I got a text message I could double tap the notification and it 
>>>>> would open messages and take me right to the selected message. this 
>>>>> doesn't seem to happen now that I have a touch ID. is there a way to go 
>>>>> directly to the new message I want to read or do I just have to open my 
>>>>> phone or unlock it and then open messages?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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Suppress Sound on first press of Home Button when Turning Phone On, iOS 14

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

After installing iOS 14 on my 2nd generation iPhone S E, I now hear a sound the 
first time I press the Home button to wake the phone up after being locked. I 
don’t hear this sound if VO is off. Does anyone know what VO sound setting is 
causing that sound to be generated? I really would like to suppress it, if I 
can.

Thanks for any help,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: unusual problem with my iPhone 8.

[Pete De Vasto]

Lorie,

I’m sure you’ve done this probably a few times, but you might want to do a 
sanity check using the app switcher. Sometimes, even if you power your phone 
completely off, then back on again, some of the processes that were running 
prior to shutdown may come back up. Hopefully by now your phone is back on and 
running cooler.

Pete De Vasto
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Turn it back on.  You should be good.
> Usually there is some process running that is cleared with a restart, so you 
> should be OK.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 22:09, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> yeah. I don't know what it was but it was draining the battery. I shut it 
> dow. haven't turned it back on yet.n
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:38 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie,
>> If your iPhone is running hot, I suspect some process is running that is 
>> making it hot.  I suggest shutting down and restarting your device.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 19:13, Les Kriegler > <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lori,
>> I have an iPhone 8 Plus. I have never experienced what you describe. It 
>> sounds like there is something wrong with your phone. I would contact your 
>> carrier or Apple at this point. Good luck.
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 7:33 PM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: unusual problem with my iPhone 8.
>> 
>> not too long ago I upgraded to 14.01 from the last iteration of 12. I 
>> noticed that I could feel more of a vibration or a kind of jerk when I 
>> pressed the home button. 
>> 
>> today I was using my phone to read labels when I got the message that it 
>> needed to cool down before I could continue using it. it was pretty hot. it 
>> had also been making more of a vibration than usual when I pressed the home 
>> button or did other things with it. anybody know what's going on with it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Using iPhone As A WebCam For Zoom Meetings

[Pete De Vasto]

Hello all,

I need to attend a zoom meeting next week, and I’ve been asked to attend either 
via Mac or PC to demo some stuff. Unfortunately, neither my Mac mini or Windows 
10 PC came with a camera. I’ve been researching, and it sounds like there are 
apps out there that can turn an iPhone into a web cam for either Mac or PC. Has 
anyone tried doing this? And if so, what success, or lack thereof, have you had?

Thanks, in advance, for any help,
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

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Donna,

I will be very interested in your findings as well if/when you do in fact make 
the move. I’m running Mojave, and haven’t upgraded mostly because I was 
concerned about the fact that anything higher doesn’t support 32-bit apps, and 
I didn’t want to bother figuring out exactly what, if anything, I was gonna 
lose by upgrading.

Pete De Vasto

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> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
> what others think.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big Sur. 
>> Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in what 
others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so far can 
do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work situation 
where I would depend on it more than I am now.

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
>> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, 
>> send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at 
>> all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the 
>> bad guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating systems 
>> a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for 
>> is running old operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. 
>> Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems 
>> are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story 
>> short I always upgrade. For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility 
>> chance to follow the current operating system.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
>> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
>> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't 
>> understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort 
>> to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank 
>> you very much for reading this.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
>>> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
>>> done with greater ease?
>>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then 
>>>  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
>>> might bring you more? then wait.
>>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>>> best,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>>>> what others think.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
>>>>> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
>>>>> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Photos App on Mac OS and Voiceover

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I bit the bullet and did the upgrade to Catalina yesterday. So far, the move 
has been very successful. I’m still learning about some of the new and 
different features, but up to now I’ve been able to do everything I used to do 
on Mojave just fine.

I do have a number of photos and movies on my iPhone, and started to look into 
using the Photos app so I can store them on my Mac, but it’s not coming all 
that easy. So, I was wondering if anyone has done much with the Photos app, and 
are there any settings I might be able to tweak so it works better with VO? 
It’s hard to do Google searches, because everywhere I’ve landed on so far talks 
about doing voice overs in movies!

Thanks for any ideas,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi,

I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at these, 
but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other devices with 
3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they work with these 
other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of headphones that have a 
3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting these headphones to the 
jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in System 
Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like maybe 
even 50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing a song 
or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something in VO that’s 
affecting things when you switch audio output from internal speakers to the 
output jack. Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy 
a bunch of questions.

Pete De Vasto. 

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something that 
> works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says name 
> which is empty.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 
>> 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output devices 
>> when nothing is plugged into the jack.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on 
>> my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
>> I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer > <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay device. 
>> Very strange.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port on 
>>> the back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when 
>>> speakers are connected.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing 
>>> it,  That might be do to not having restarted yet, but there is a device 
>>> that is not speaking.  The light is on on the speaker so I know it is 
>>> getting power.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mac mini 2018 has a 3.5 mm audio output located on the back of the unit, 
>>>> below the 2 USB-A ports.
>>>> The unit does not have an audio input jack.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 15:47, matthew dyer >>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a Mac mini 2018 and unless I am missing something, Ido not see a 
>>>> headset jack on the machine.  Does this machine not have one?  If not, is 
>>>> there a usb adaptor that I can get for this as I just got a new set of 
>>>> speakers with a 3.5 jack on one end and a usb connecter on the other.  
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew
>>>> 
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Re: Control and Option backspace no longer working on my MBP for navigation and deletion

[Pete De Vasto]

Donna,

Have you tried both the right and left option keys? And do you have Keyboard 
Commander enabled? I may be off track here, but in VO Utilities, under 
Commanders, with Keyboard Commander enabled, you get to choose which option key 
is used for what you want to do. Maybe you had this set up in Keyboard 
Commander, and if you just upgraded your computer I’m wondering if something 
may have gotten lost. Just a thought.

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, that doesn't work either. this is so strange. And it doesn't look like 
> the key is broken, because I can use it for other things like VO commands.
> cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try using Option + Left/Right arrow keys along with the Shift key to 
>> highlight text.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is weird. Option plus left-right arrow does work when reading 
>> text, but not when editing. So, it worked just fine when I was reading your 
>> message, but is not working as I type my reply.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never used CTRL + Backspace to delete words, but find that using 
>>> Option + Backspace will do this.
>>> I have always used Option + Left/Right arrow keys to navigate by single 
>>> words, and find that this still works, though navigation behavior is not 
>>> the same in all applications.
>>> I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, with all current updates installed.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Slight correction. Option key does work, Control does not.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Donna Goodin >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Yesterday I was prompted to install software updates. Since then, I can no 
>>>> longer use CTRL-backspace to delete words, nor can I use Option Backspace 
>>>> to navigate by word. The  Control and option keys do work for everything 
>>>> else. Were these keystrokes removed? I'm finding navigating and editing 
>>>> text very painstaking without them. I have rebooted my mac several times, 
>>>> but that has not fixed the issue. Any suggestions?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  do a 
Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and search 
for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a direct link to 
the apps store where the installer is located. 

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
> installer.
> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS by 
> doing the same thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to Big 
> Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable.  But 
> I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my tech 
> universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille display 
> issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if I can get 
> my Mac back on track.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
>> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
>> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
>> in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
>> with the arrow keys.
>> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
>> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
>> be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
>> on them.
>> Jonathan
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Yes you still can. I would go to Safari, and do a search on something like “ 
download Mac OS Catalina”. That’s what I did the other day, and I got a direct 
link to the App Store. I went crazy for about half an hour trying to find it in 
the App Store itself.

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> can you upgrade to Catalina even after Big Sur has come out? I'm having 
> second thoughts about going up to Big Sur from Mojave.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
>> MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
>> saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
>> available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
>> because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  do 
>> a Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and 
>> search for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a 
>> direct link to the apps store where the installer is located. 
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
>>> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
>>> installer.
>>> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS 
>>> by doing the same thing.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to 
>>> Big Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds 
>>> manageable.  But I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I 
>>> feel like my tech universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some 
>>> braille display issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade 
>>> just now if I can get my Mac back on track.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
>>>> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
>>>> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
>>>> in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
>>>> with the arrow keys.
>>>> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
>>>> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
>>>> be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
>>>> on them.
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>   
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
>>>>> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
>>>>> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Pete De Vasto]

Matthew,

Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 3.5-inch 
plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Peet,
> 
> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able 
> to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> 
> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> in so not sure.  What is going on.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
>> these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
>> devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
>> work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
>> headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting 
>> these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume 
>> adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you 
>> have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music 
>> on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. I’m wondering 
>> if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when you switch 
>> audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps 
>> something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
>>> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something 
>>> that works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says 
>>> name which is empty.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 
>>>> 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output 
>>>> devices when nothing is plugged into the jack.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on 
>>>> my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
>>>> I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer >>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay 
>>>> device. Very strange.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port 
>>>>> on the back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when 
>>>>> speakers are connected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer >>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brad,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing 
>>>>> it,  That might be do to not having restarted yet, but there is a device 
>>>>> that is not speaking.  The light is on on the speaker so I know it is 
>>>>> getting power.  Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>&

Re: Screen Curtain Toggle Command

[Pete De Vasto]

If the keyboard you are using happens to have a number pad, but not an FN key, 
you can get around this by going into VO Utility > Commanders > Numpad 
commander. You can select between a number of different modifiers that you 
press with the number keys. While most of the modifiers do have predefined sets 
of values, control does not. So, I set up Control+Numpad minus to toggle screen 
curtain on or off, and that did the trick. Hopefully maybe that will help 
someone.

Pete De Vasto

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi, it’s a handful. :)
> 
> Fn-control-option-underscore. You get underscore by using shift on the minus 
> key. It’s no wonder you had a custom key for this. Sheesh.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> oh shoot! I didn't even know the Mac had a screen curtain.
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 1:48 PM, Joy Cyr >> <mailto:delig...@aei.ca>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, my fault should have specified, I'm asking specifically for the mac 
>>> and I don't have a track pad.
>>> 
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Playing Back A Live Photo

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,
I know the concept of Live Photos has been around a while, but I’m just now 
getting into exploring exactly how it works. I’ve got a few that I’ve taken 
inadvertently because I didn’t realize my camera was in Live Photo mode, but 
now I want to hear the live content. Apple Support says to open the photo in 
question, and, to quote them, “hold the screen” to hear the content. I can’t 
seem to get this “hold screen” thing to work. Is Voiceover getting in the way 
here? Can someone tell me if it’s even possible to play these Live Photos with 
VO running?
Many thanks as always,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Playing Back A Live Photo

[Pete De Vasto]

Tim, you gave me a good start. Actually you have to double-tap and hold to get 
it to play. 1.5 seconds either side is not a whole lot of time, and I’m 
realizing now you have to time anything you say while taking the photo to make 
the audio you get meaningful. I’m using a 3rd gen SE now, and I’m really 
getting a lot out of the kinds of descriptions I’m getting from VO. Thanks for 
the pointer!
Pete

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Simply double-tap on the photo and if it is a Live Photo, you’ll hear 
> whatever can be heard.  Nothing special to do at all other than make sure you 
> have the volume up high enough to hear whatever was recorded.  Of course, 
> wearing headphones always makes the hearing of such things easier.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 09:24, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I know the concept of Live Photos has been around a while, but I’m just now 
>> getting into exploring exactly how it works. I’ve got a few that I’ve taken 
>> inadvertently because I didn’t realize my camera was in Live Photo mode, but 
>> now I want to hear the live content. Apple Support says to open the photo in 
>> question, and, to quote them, “hold the screen” to hear the content. I can’t 
>> seem to get this “hold screen” thing to work. Is Voiceover getting in the 
>> way here? Can someone tell me if it’s even possible to play these Live 
>> Photos with VO running?
>> Many thanks as always,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: hand-off

[Pete De Vasto]

The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but it 
doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting in 
the way.
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
>> ios 15. that might be the problem.
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try the following:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
>>>> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
>>>> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
>>>> the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
>>>> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
>>>> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
>>>> do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I 
>>>> do to get the process started?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>>>>> enabled.
>>>>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It works through the cloud.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Herbie
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
>>>>>> as well?
>>>>>> Pete De Vasto
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>>>>>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>>>>>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>>>>>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>>>>>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>>>>>> to get it to cooperate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>>>>>>> Mac?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>> Lorie
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Upcoming Iphones

[Pete De Vasto]

Lorie,
Yes the SE 2022 does have a home button. When they first came out in May, I 
jumped on getting one, and discovered Apple had a trade-in program going for my 
SE 2020 that took quite a few bucks off the final price. The program ran out 
out on May 31. I’m glad I made the move. Performance is much better, and 
battery life seems to be OK for me as well. From what I read, it doesn’t have 
LIDAR, but that didn’t concern me. If what they’re saying about the home button 
going completely away starting next year, I’d say get the 2022 SE now as it 
probably will get you maybe five or more years?
Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 14, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> does the iPhone se 22 have a home button? I've got the se 20 and of course it 
> does.
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> Of course not.  Touch ID has been relegated to the  bottom of the line 
>> iPhoneSE.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 16:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> From what I have read, there will not be Touch ID on the new phones.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 4:26 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Have had my 8+ just over 4 years and don't want to be caught by surprise. I 
>>> suppose though I can wait until iPhone 14 is released and read what users 
>>> say about it. I like Touch ID so I won't rush things.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/14/2022 12:18 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>> The iPhone 13 is a nice iPhone, been in a month, it will be last year's 
>>>> iPhone.
>>>> Unless your current iPhone dies on you, I would never buy a current model 
>>>> iPhone during the month of August. If for no other reason, the current 
>>>> model iPhone 13 will be available at a reduced price next month.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 14:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>    Currently I have the 8+ which works fine. Just curious. I have not 
>>>> read anything as of yet about the leaks for this year's iPhones being 
>>>> released next month.
>>>> If I was to upgrade, would I want to hold out until next month or go for 
>>>> an iPhone 13 model?
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>>> --John F. Kennedy
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Re: Command-one for Inbox?

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,
I’ve got a late 2014 Mac mini and am still on Montery. Some time ago, I did 
something that caused “All Inboxes” to be removed from my Mail favorites bar. 
So now, command 1 gives me all drafts, Command 2 gives me all Sent, etc. I have 
two mail accounts, and have favorites for each one separately, but I’d really 
love to get the All Inboxes back if possible. Does anyone know how to do this 
in Monterey? I seem to remember trying to get it back when it happened, but 
again that was a while ago and I don’t remember what I tried to do. This thread 
reminded me about it so thought I’d ask.
Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> If you have three mail accounts set up on your Mac, pressing CMD + 1, should 
> take you to your All Inbox. This is where you can see mail for all three of 
> your active accounts, in a combined inbox.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 20:43, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I have three email accounts in Mac. I have read that Command+1 takes to 
> Inbox.
> My question is:
> if I have three email-accounts, which Inbox Command-1 would take me to?
> Thanks!
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

[Pete De Vasto]

Regarding VarioUltra, no they've not incorporated wi-fi. If you look for a 
USB-C cable, I seem to remember they will tell you if it's for charging 
only.

About the Orbit Reeder: I actually did purchase one, but when I got it 
I,too, realized just how noisy and slow the Braille cells are when 
refreshing. Also, right out of the box, two of the cells had dots not 
working. The place I got it from did have a 15-day return policy and I was 
able to ship it back to them on time so was able to get a refund. I now 
have a Mantis which replaced my Focus display. Its main purpose in my life 
is to be a terminal for my PC and for several Apple devices. I love having 
the QWERTY keyboard for when I'm writing stuff on my Apple devices.

Pete De Vasto

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:39:05 AM UTC-7 jasonj...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> On 24/3/24 13:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>
> I assume you bought it from those Envision people?  It didn’t seem to me
>  like they were very organized, and I was worried they wouldn’t be able 
> to make a go of it.  Have they added Wifi to the Vario?
>
> The only change I am aware of on the hardware side is that it now has a 
> USB-C port.
>
> Obviously, that's good for the Mac, which is USB-C only.
>
> Incidentally, in case anyone here knows, what type of USB-C cable would I 
> need to connect
>
>  a braille display to the Mac directly, without a USB-A to USB-C adapter? 
> Based on what I've read, some USB-C cables are for charging only, and others 
> are for data transfer - I'm not sure how I would find out which was which in 
> making a purchase.
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Re: Using P M Set To Schedule Automatic Shutdown Mac OS Sonoma

[Pete De Vasto]

I think that the problem is that, by default, the root user is disabled. On 
older versions, Apple says you can go into the Directory utility, and from 
there once you type in your local password you can do Edit > Enable root 
user, and you're fine. Under Sonoma, the Directory Utility doesn't seem to 
have this option.


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Re: iMessage: How to Say You Like Someone's Message

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OK, I get that, but there are three selection whose meaning I don't 
understand: One that VO says "Heart", then one that says "Expclamation", 
and a thirtd that says "Question mark". Which one of these sends the 
"Liked" reaction?

Pete De Vasto

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> With focus on an individual message, flick up or down until you hear 
> reactions, and then do a one finger double tap. This will open an options 
> bar, where you could choose from several reactions. Choose the desired 
> reaction by flicking left or right, and then doing a one finger double tap 
> on your selected reaction.
>
> - Brad -
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> On Jun 10, 2024, at 16:17, pdevas...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
>
> This is a very basic question, but I’m not easily finding the answer to 
> it: I’ve recently started to get occasional messages back from people I 
> talk to saying: “ likes your message. How do they do 
> this? I’d love to be able to do the same thing sometimes. I know you can 
> double-tap and hold on a message, and a context menu comes up, is it one of 
> the options in this menu?
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Problems Restoring A File Using Time Machine

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

I’ve got a late 2014 Mac mini running the latest version of Mojave. I’ve got 
time machine backing up to a network drive, and it seems to be backing up OK, 
however it won’t let me restore a file I need. When I go to the list of files, 
I keep getting “no permission to read” announced with each one. I’m guessing 
this means that for some reason I have read-only access so can’t bring the file 
back? Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so what can I do about it?

Many thanks,
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Re: Problems Restoring A File Using Time Machine

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That’s exactly what I’m doing. I really don’t know any other way.

Thanks, Tim,
Pete

> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> What process are you using to recover the file?  You should be entering Time 
> Machine from the time Machine Extras Menu in order to recover Time Machine 
> backup data.
> 
> Later...
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> On Dec 21, 2018, at 08:29, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> however it won’t let me restore a file I need. When I go to the list of 
> files, I keep getting “no permission to read” announced with each one. I’m 
> guessing this means that for some reason I have read-only access so can’t 
> bring the file back? Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so what can 
> I do about it?
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Re: Problems Restoring A File Using Time Machine

[Pete De Vasto]

Herein seems to be the problem. When I find the file I want to restore, VO 
announces the filename, kind, and then says “no permission to read”. I'm also 
having trouble getting to the windows. Window chooser does show me the one 
that’s got Time Machine Controls, but I’m not seeing the calendar to pick a 
date. I’m trying to do some independent research, and I’m seeing a suggestion 
to turn Time Machine off then back on again. How do I do that? Is it in System 
Prefs?

Pete

> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Being "Read Only" should not be an issue.  In fact, I expect that the backup 
> bundle is all read only as you are not supposed to modify its contents.  When 
> you find the file you wish to recover, use the Window Chooser to get to the 
> time Machine controls, choose the recover date then restore the file.  Once 
> it is recovered and in your current file structure, it should be read/write.  
> If not, you can Get Info on the file and change its permissions.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 08:40, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> That’s exactly what I’m doing. I really don’t know any other way.
> 
> Thanks, Tim,
> Pete
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What process are you using to recover the file?  You should be entering Time 
>> Machine from the time Machine Extras Menu in order to recover Time Machine 
>> backup data.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 08:29, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I’ve got a late 2014 Mac mini running the latest version of Mojave. I’ve got 
>> time machine backing up to a network drive, and it seems to be backing up 
>> OK, however it won’t let me restore a file I need. When I go to the list of 
>> files, I keep getting “no permission to read” announced with each one. I’m 
>> guessing this means that for some reason I have read-only access so can’t 
>> bring the file back? Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so what can 
>> I do about it?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Problems Restoring A File Using Time Machine

[Pete De Vasto]

Success! I finally did get my file back, and it was kind of interesting. 
Unchecking, then re-checking the Backup automatically box seemed to  do it. 
Interesting part was that even after restarting Time Machine, I would always 
get the message “no permission to read”, no matter what file I was on, so I 
thought I wasn’t going to be able to do the restore. However, pulling down the 
context menu and selecting restore file to… worked. Only confusing part was how 
to tell TM I wanted it exactly in the same place it was before I deleted it. 
The file would up going into a sub-folder of the one I wanted. I hope that 
makes sense. Anyway, thank you for the help!

Pete

> On Dec 21, 2018, at 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> You go into System Prefs, Time Machine and uncheck the Automatically Backup 
> checkbox, close System Prefs, then re-open and check it again.  The close is 
> required to properly apply changes.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Apple Teacher
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 21, 2018, at 09:19, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Herein seems to be the problem. When I find the file I want to restore, VO 
> announces the filename, kind, and then says “no permission to read”. I'm also 
> having trouble getting to the windows. Window chooser does show me the one 
> that’s got Time Machine Controls, but I’m not seeing the calendar to pick a 
> date. I’m trying to do some independent research, and I’m seeing a suggestion 
> to turn Time Machine off then back on again. How do I do that? Is it in 
> System Prefs?
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Being "Read Only" should not be an issue.  In fact, I expect that the backup 
>> bundle is all read only as you are not supposed to modify its contents.  
>> When you find the file you wish to recover, use the Window Chooser to get to 
>> the time Machine controls, choose the recover date then restore the file.  
>> Once it is recovered and in your current file structure, it should be 
>> read/write.  If not, you can Get Info on the file and change its permissions.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 08:40, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s exactly what I’m doing. I really don’t know any other way.
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim,
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What process are you using to recover the file?  You should be entering 
>>> Time Machine from the time Machine Extras Menu in order to recover Time 
>>> Machine backup data.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 08:29, Pete De Vasto >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’ve got a late 2014 Mac mini running the latest version of Mojave. I’ve 
>>> got time machine backing up to a network drive, and it seems to be backing 
>>> up OK, however it won’t let me restore a file I need. When I go to the list 
>>> of files, I keep getting “no permission to read” announced with each one. 
>>> I’m guessing this means that for some reason I have read-only access so 
>>> can’t bring the file back? Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so 
>>> what can I do about it?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Shortcut keystroke for the time?

[Pete De Vasto]

Which Option key are you using? I was always in the habit of using right 
option, and I, too, thought it was broken after the upgrade. Try pressing 
Left-Option T and see if that works. If so, go to VoiceOver Utility, 
commanders, Keyboard commander. There’s an option for using either left or 
right option key, right option is default. When I changed to left option, I 
could use the right-option T to get the date and time. I’m not clear what that 
left VS right option selection means. Hope this makes sense and helps.

Pete

> On Dec 29, 2018, at 8:08 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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> It has been broken throughout the Betas. I am of the mind that it has to 
> do with the new security features in Mojave, but I'm not sure what service or 
> app has to be added to Security and Privacy preferences. The other shortcuts 
> seem to work fine in keyboard commander, so I don't know what is different 
> about that script.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 29, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Paul Parravano > > wrote:
>> 
>> I upgraded recently to Mojave, on my Mac. The option-T keystroke for the 
>> time announcement no longer works. Is there a replacement, or is it gone?
>> 
>> thank you,
>> 
>> Paul
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RE: WiFi Networking

[Pete De Vasto]

If you go to Network Preferences, and select Wi-Fi from the Services table. 
From there, your Mac should discover your network and you can enter whatever 
credentials you need to connect.

 

Pete De Vasto

 

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Behalf Of Angus MacKinnon
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:08 PM
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Subject: WiFi Networking

 

I have deleted my WiFi Networking on my iMac running Mojave. When I goto WiFi 
in Menu Extras, I am told WiFi is not configured and can only open Network 
Preferences. So how can I re configure WiFi Networking? Thank you.


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Re: WiFi Networking

[Pete De Vasto]

To the right of the services table, there should be an “add service” button. 
Wi-Fi is already set up on my Mac so I can’t verify, but if you press the Add 
Services button, hopefully Wi-Fi is one that you could add. If not, I’ll have 
to defer to someone in the group who may have more experiences than me.

Pete

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
> 
> Pete
> 
> In the Services I see “Ethernet connected” “Bluetooth pan not connected”, 
> “iPhone USB not connected” and “Thunderbolt Bridge not connected".
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Working With VMWare Fusion Snapshots

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi,

I’m using VMWare Version 10, and I created a snapshot of my system yesterday 
before I made a big change to my configuration, and now I want to restore it. I 
can’t seem to be able to get back to that earlier snapshot, no matter what I 
do. Focus always seems to stay on the current snapshot. Has anyone else tried 
doing this, and if you’ve gotten it to work, how?

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: Working With VMWare Fusion Snapshots

[Pete De Vasto]

Tom, you’re right. VO doesn’t handle this function well at all. I did, however, 
get it to work by interacting with the snapshots tree view, pressing an arrow 
key once, then pressing return. Each time I did the arrow followed by return, 
VMWare would give a dialog telling me which snapshot I was going to restore. 
So, by this trial and error method I did get to the snapshot I wanted and was 
able to get back to where I wanted.

If there’s anyone who’s got VMWare Fusion installed, has some vision and can 
work with VoiceOver, it would really be interesting to know how the arrow keys 
work when you get into that snapshots tree view. It’s too bad that function 
doesn’t work well because most of the rest of the product is fine. I’m enjoying 
having Windows and Mac OS in the same place without rebooting back and forth.

Pete

> On Jan 2, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Tom Moore  wrote:
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> I don't think you can do tis with Voiceover.
> I had to have someone do it for me who could remote into my machine.
> 
> Tom
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Working With VMWare Fusion Snapshots
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m using VMWare Version 10, and I created a snapshot of my system yesterday 
> before I made a big change to my configuration, and now I want to restore it. 
> I can’t seem to be able to get back to that earlier snapshot, no matter what 
> I do. Focus always seems to stay on the current snapshot. Has anyone else 
> tried doing this, and if you’ve gotten it to work, how?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete De Vasto
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Replaying Visual VoiceMail Message

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

AT&T is my provider, and I’ve got the latest version of iOS on my iPhone SE. 
They have me using Visual VoiceMail, and whenever I get a message, I can play 
it once but it always goes through the earpiece. My problem is that I can only 
play the message once. I’d like to be able to listen again through the speaker, 
but although I can get to the speaker button, double-tapping it doesn’t seem to 
change anything. And worse, I cannot replay that message, or for that matter, 
any other message that’s been already played. Has anyone else experienced this 
difficulty? If so, what have you done to get it resolved? I don’t think this is 
a VoiceOver issue, but then again, I wanted to ask just to make sure.

Thanks for any help,
Pete

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Re: Screen reader muted in fusion?

[Pete De Vasto]

I actually started out with VMWare 10, and then tried to upgrade to 11. I was 
able to get speech, but couldn’t get any of my USB devices, including my focus 
Braille display, to connect. So I went back to VMWare 10 and am staying there 
for the time being. Tom, is there any way you could find the post from your 
friend? I don’t remember seeing it and I bet there may be others on the list 
who wouldn’t mind seeing it again.

Thanks,
Pete

> On Jan 17, 2019, at 7:39 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
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> Hi,
> There was a solution to this issue posted to the list a month or two back by 
> a good friend of mine.
> You will need someone to help you set this fix up though.
> I can see about creating a powershell script to change these settings, but I 
> am unsure how to launch powershell as administrator using a few key strokes 
> to make running the script easy.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of KliphnShari Miller
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 8:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen reader muted in fusion?
> 
> I tried NVDA, and narrater, but the boot camp utilities sounds like the next 
> good step.  Thanks
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:11 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  have you thought of possibly using a copy of Nvda  I think that is the 
>> atheist screen reader to have in case jobs does not work.
>> 
>> The other thing you might chuck in your virtual machine, make sure that the 
>> sound card is running. Also you have a headphone jock and headphones and/or 
>> other device that can act as such, check to see if the output of your 
>> computer is not going through the headphones. I would also strongly suggest 
>> downloading Apple’s boot camp utilities because the soundcard, the video, 
>> and the touchpad, and the networking parts of your computer if done 
>> correctly all have appropriate Windows drivers.
>> 
>> Hopefully this should get you started on troubleshooting this?
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> Amateur station call, kd0iko.
>> 
>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 14:18, KliphnShari Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, this is very strange.  I can get windows installed, but narrator and 
>>> jaws both can’t be heard.  I can hear the chimes and windows sounds, but no 
>>> screen reader.  This is in vm fusion 11.  Do I need some type of sound card 
>>> or something?  Makes no since to me since I can hear all of the windows 
>>> chime and mouse clicks.  Someone help please.  Google has provided no 
>>> answer.
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