Re: vmwarefusion and zoomtext

[Mueller, Matt]

Hi Christina.

VMWare Fusion 2 currently does not work with ZoomText.  It will  
install and run, but using any level of magnification causes screen  
corruption when the visible area moves.  In short, its unusable for  
magnification, though I've used some of its screen reading features  
with decent success.  When I discovered this a year go, I contacted  
VMWare support and informed them of the issue. They replied stating  
that they found the problem but that it could not be fixed in the  
current version.  Fusion 3 has been announced and will be available on  
October 27.  I hope to try it in some fashion and I will report back  
on my findings when I can.

If viewing images is your primary concern and you don't need or want  
to run Windows otherwise, you might look into the zoom options in  
Universal Access for the "smooth images" checkbox. By default, OS X  
uses anti-aliasing to reduce pixel visibility, but it does cause a  
good deal of blurriness on fonts and images at higher magnification.  
Unchecking that should help.  Option-Command-Backslash will toggle it  
also and save you a trip through system preferences.  The other thing  
that may help is the contrast adjustment in Universal Access. There is  
a slider there or you can use Control-Option-Command-Comma to decrease  
contrast and Control-Option-Command-Period to increase it.

Hope this helps,
Matt

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Christina wrote:

>
> Hello list,
>
> I was wondering if zoomtext works in the the windows virtual
> environment using vmware fusion.  I've heard of some of you using jaws
> while in windows with vmware fusion.  I really have limited vision but
> what love to use zoomtext to look at some photos of family.  I do not
> currently have windows installed on my macbook anywhere and have not
> had any need for windows.  However, I don't feel the zoom that comes
> equipped on the mac does a good enough job on the photos.  I don't
> know if it's the monitor on my macbook, the zoom on the mac, or my
> decreased vision, but any photos are very blurry, pixelated, and
> washed out.  So,  wanted to see if zoom text would be a better
> option.  I'm not thrilled about putting windows on my mac but it seems
> that many of you do this with no problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
>
> >


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Re: Is there enough VO support in I Work to justify the cost

[Mueller, Matt]

I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have 
used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most of 
them very basic to its use.  Although I've reported these, I've seen no change 
in its performance since Tiger.  To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver combination 
has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but the commitment 
isn't there.  I would urge you and any others who have an interest in seeing 
that potential realized to report issues and make sure Apple gets the message.  
I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from pulling this thread way OT.

On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Will do!  I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a 
> combination of both at a lot of times.  Thanks for the tip!
> 
> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more 
>> than simple.
>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>> 
>>> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too 
>>> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine 
>>> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor 
>>> tracking with Zoom.  I thought, well, so much for advanced word processing 
>>> or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate back to 
>>> Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing with 
>>> Textedit.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>> 
 I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole on 
 the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I Work 
 support.
 On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. THe 
> more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get 
> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to 
> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. 
> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages.  There are a few 
>> hang-ups however.
>> 
>> 1.  Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists.
>> 2.  You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: 
>> objects embedded in the document.  That being said however, you can read 
>> and use objects to a large degree if the are floating.  In the later 
>> case, they are in the lay-out area.  There ways to make an in-line 
>> object floating and there are indications that an object is present in a 
>> document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the insertion point 
>> of it.
>> 3.  Templates seem totally unusable to me.  Someone else might have a 
>> better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes with 
>> in-line text boxes.  So it's not a nice situation for vo.
>> 
>> As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable.  
>> Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative 
>> writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a 
>> document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I am thinking of purchasing the latest version of I Work, but before 
>>> doing so is there enough VO support to justify the purchase? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Is there enough VO support in I Work to justify the cost

[Mueller, Matt]

Pete, It was my reply which I felt might have generalized a bit too much.  
Sorry if that wasn't clear.   I agree that application developers are rightly 
responsible for conforming to accessibility guidelines.  My issues exist in 
things like not being able to resize a window or drag a file, and the the 
(sometimes extreme) focus jumping which occurs. I don't recall those kinds of 
issues using ZoomText.  Having said that, I too feel Apple has brought  a good 
deal of fun back to technology. By and large their solutions are as elegant as 
the UI that sits on top.

On the issue of Cocoa, there is certainly a push to move developers that way. 
Though the Carbon frameworks still exist, 64-bit, Grand Central, and the like 
will necessitate a move to Cocoa.

On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:12 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> On 14 Feb 2010, at 05:20, Pete Nalda wrote:
>> ...it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa framework so that 
>> everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom...
> 
> I thought that all the developers had to program in CoCo now as Mac OS X is 
> 100% CoCo.
> 
> Thanks
> TC
> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm 
>> speaking of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors.  While I 
>> agree that Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I 
>> think other with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within 
>> the Cocoa framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom 
>> Users.  I also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* 
>> competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a 
>> great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, 
>> and as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about 
>> all the other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for 
>> that.  We get access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the 
>> world (ok I know I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* 
>> with windows or linux).  That said, here's to hoping for further advances, 
>> and yes I'll surely do my part whenever possible.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:
>> 
>>> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have 
>>> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most 
>>> of them very basic to its use.  Although I've reported these, I've seen no 
>>> change in its performance since Tiger.  To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver 
>>> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but 
>>> the commitment isn't there.  I would urge you and any others who have an 
>>> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure 
>>> Apple gets the message.  I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from 
>>> pulling this thread way OT.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Will do!  I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use 
>>>> a combination of both at a lot of times.  Thanks for the tip!
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more 
>>>>> than simple.
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too 
>>>>>> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine 
>>>>>> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for 
>>>>>> cursor tracking with Zoom.  I thought, well, so much for advanced word 
>>>>>> processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate 
>>>>>> back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing 
>>>>>> with Textedit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole 
>>>>>>> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I 
>>>>>>> Work support.
>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>&

RE: Zoom Text on Mac Question [was Re: iTunes/iPod Shuffle Problem]

[Mueller, Matt]

Absolutely, the magnification is usable. I moved From Windows and ZoomText to 
the mac about five months ago and have been using only the built in 
magnification and VoiceOver.  Certainly many of the features are comparable.  
There is more fine control over zoom levels. Cursor size,  contrast, and 
brightness can be adjusted and colors can be inverted.  On that note, I also 
use a free application called Nocturne that allows for more flexibility.  It 
lets you invert colors, hues, or both, tint colors or make them monochrome, and 
disable the desktop wallpaper. These create a profile of sorts that you can 
switch between with a single click depending on your needs. It is simply 
invaluable, beating ZoomText in many regards with the exception of replacing 
individual colors if that is needed.  Getting back on topic, the customary 
options for tracking the pointer are available. Tracking of keyboard focus can 
be toggled, and a preview rectangle is also available.

The distinguishing feature, though, and the one that brought me to the mac was 
VoiceOver. Namely it provided full screen reading capabilities that ZoomText 
lacked while providing options to highlight or magnify position on the screen.  
The option is not explicit, but allowing the mouse pointer to follow the 
VoiceOver cursor has resulted in very usable tracking of that as well.  The 
result is a combination I was unable to match on Windows. It is feature rich 
and certainly usable.

With all of that said, there are some features you loose.  The xFont smoothing 
of ZoomText 9 provided superb clarity of text. In contrast the zoom of OS X 
uses basic smoothing that becomes blurry at high magnification levels.  Some 
have found this unusable. I, personally, have no issues with it. I can only 
hope the much awaited resolution independence will someday fix this issue.  
Additionally, if you use different magnification types (i.e. not full screen, 
but lens, line, or split views) these are not available from the built in zoom. 
The other significant features you will loose are the DocReader, used to 
reformat text for reading and magnification zones. The SpeakIt tool, used to 
read a selected area will also be missing. When I have needed this 
functionality I just let VoiceOver read what is under the cursor as it moves. 
This works for me. It may be cumbersome to toggle though, if you use it 
frequently. An additional nitpick is that there are occasional times when the 
cursor will jump, causing the view to shift away.  To me, these are small 
issues in comparison with the added power of of VoiceOver and the incredible 
responsiveness of the system. (Of late, ZoomText has received much criticism 
for this and its high resource usage.)

Certainly mileage may vary with individual needs. I can only provide my 
experience and some of the quantitative and qualitative differences between 
ZoomText and the accessibility features of the Mac.  Hopefully this is helpful 
to you, Linzy, and anyone else considering their options.  I'll be happy to 
answer any more specific questions as best I can. Hopefully some others will 
chime in here, as I am equally interested in hearing others' experiences.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Dan [key...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Text on Mac Question [was Re: iTunes/iPod Shuffle Problem]

Hello,
How about the options under Universal access. The mac has
accessibility aides for blind, visually empaired and deaf persons.


Dan

key...@comcast.net




On Mar 17, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> I'm not a low vision mac user, but would anybody that is, for Linzy's
> benefit, say that the magnification  offered just in Voiceover alone,
> would be enough for low vision users in general?  assuming that she
> wants to avoid putting Windows on her mac when she does get one?  Or
> do a lot of low vision users use VisioVoice as well?  On Mar 17, 2009,
> at 1:51 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>
> Hi Linzy,
>
> Zoom Text is a Windows only program, so no, it doesn't work on the Mac
> unless you are asking whether it will work on Macs that are running
> Windows on separate partitions, such as with Bootcamp, or in virtual
> environments, such as under VMWare's Fusion.  In those instances it
> may run only for Windows operating systems operations -- not as part
> of Mac's system and not with VoiceOver or any of the built-in Mac
> applications.  There are Mac based programs like VisioVoice from
> AssistiveWare for low vision use.
>
> Incidentally, you are more likely to get answers related to this
> question if you start a new thread.  I've changed the subject of this
> reply post to match your question, but many list viewers may not read
> your question unless they are checking out information on iPod Shuffle
> problems.
>
> Hope this helps.  And welcome to the list if 

Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow Leopard ?

[Mueller, Matt]

I've only had snow leopard installed for a couple of days, so I'm still 
learning the ins and outs of it.  Thus far, however, I haven't noticed any 
perceptible difference in features or the way it behaves.

On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:05 PM, claire amoroso wrote:

Hi,
Does anyone know if there are any improvments made in Snow Leopard as regard to 
the application Zoom ? I would like to know if the keyboard focus was enhanced 
also.
Thanks,
Claire


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RE: New Features in Zoom under Snow Leopard ?

[Mueller, Matt]

It works fine for me when VoiceOver is not running.  When it is, you just have 
to hit VO-Tab first to let the command pass through.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christina [blindmaclo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow  Leopard ?

I have noticed a problem for me since I upgraded to SL.  Maybe someone here has 
a fix.  I used to be able to use command plus option plus control plus 8 to 
switch between white on black and black on white.  Now I cannot get that 
keyboard shortcut to do a thing.  I really can't see much but it's much easier 
on the eyes to have it on white on black for me even though I'm not reading the 
screen.  However, I often need to switch it back to black on white and I can no 
longer easily do this on the fly.

Christina
On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:

I've only had snow leopard installed for a couple of days, so I'm still 
learning the ins and outs of it.  Thus far, however, I haven't noticed any 
perceptible difference in features or the way it behaves.

On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:05 PM, claire amoroso wrote:

Hi,
Does anyone know if there are any improvments made in Snow Leopard as regard to 
the application Zoom ? I would like to know if the keyboard focus was enhanced 
also.
Thanks,
Claire


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Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow Leopard ?

[Mueller, Matt]

It stays in effect only for the next keystroke (or keystroke  
combination if that is the case).  VoiceOver ignores it and lets it go  
to the active app or the operating system.  After that, it interprets  
them as usual.  You don't have to turn it back off.

On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Christina wrote:

>
> Awesome!  Thanks, that worked.  I'm so glad to be able to do that.  :)
>
> How long does that vo plus tab stay in effect?  Do I have to turn it
> off or anything?
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:
>
>>
>> It works fine for me when VoiceOver is not running.  When it is, you
>> just have to hit VO-Tab first to let the command pass through.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
>> [blindmaclo...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow  Leopard ?
>>
>> I have noticed a problem for me since I upgraded to SL.  Maybe
>> someone here has a fix.  I used to be able to use command plus
>> option plus control plus 8 to switch between white on black and
>> black on white.  Now I cannot get that keyboard shortcut to do a
>> thing.  I really can't see much but it's much easier on the eyes to
>> have it on white on black for me even though I'm not reading the
>> screen.  However, I often need to switch it back to black on white
>> and I can no longer easily do this on the fly.
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I've only had snow leopard installed for a couple of days, so I'm
>> still learning the ins and outs of it.  Thus far, however, I haven't
>> noticed any perceptible difference in features or the way it behaves.
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:05 PM, claire amoroso wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know if there are any improvments made in Snow Leopard
>> as regard to the application Zoom ? I would like to know if the
>> keyboard focus was enhanced also.
>> Thanks,
>> Claire
>>
>> 
>> Vous cherchez l'intégrale des clips de Michael Jackson ? Bing !
>> Trouvez !<http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Michael+Jackson&FORM=MVDE6
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow Leopard ?

[Mueller, Matt]

In case you aren't aware, there is an app called Nocturne that will  
invert your screen as well.  The advantage it has is that, when  
enabled, it will also remove your desktop background. That was always  
a source of headaches for me, so I prefer this app and have it run on  
startup.  I've put a link to it below.  Of course, if the build in  
option is sufficient, great.

http://docs.blacktree.com/nocturne/nocturne

On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Christina wrote:

>
> Awesome!  Thanks, that worked.  I'm so glad to be able to do that.  :)
>
> How long does that vo plus tab stay in effect?  Do I have to turn it
> off or anything?
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:
>
>>
>> It works fine for me when VoiceOver is not running.  When it is, you
>> just have to hit VO-Tab first to let the command pass through.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
>> [blindmaclo...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Features in Zoom under Snow  Leopard ?
>>
>> I have noticed a problem for me since I upgraded to SL.  Maybe
>> someone here has a fix.  I used to be able to use command plus
>> option plus control plus 8 to switch between white on black and
>> black on white.  Now I cannot get that keyboard shortcut to do a
>> thing.  I really can't see much but it's much easier on the eyes to
>> have it on white on black for me even though I'm not reading the
>> screen.  However, I often need to switch it back to black on white
>> and I can no longer easily do this on the fly.
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I've only had snow leopard installed for a couple of days, so I'm
>> still learning the ins and outs of it.  Thus far, however, I haven't
>> noticed any perceptible difference in features or the way it behaves.
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:05 PM, claire amoroso wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know if there are any improvments made in Snow Leopard
>> as regard to the application Zoom ? I would like to know if the
>> keyboard focus was enhanced also.
>> Thanks,
>> Claire
>>
>> 
>> Vous cherchez l'intégrale des clips de Michael Jackson ? Bing !
>> Trouvez !<http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Michael+Jackson&FORM=MVDE6
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Trackpad commander and Zoom. Possible to use both at the same time?

[Mueller, Matt]

It sure is.  The trackpad commander performs just as it would if Zoom  
were not enabled.  When Zoom is enabled and you place a finger on the  
trackpad, the voiceover cursor moves to the item at that position and  
Zoom tracks to it.  Normally Zoom would primarily follow the mouse  
cursor.  With the trackpad commander, the cursor is generally hidden,  
and the VO cursor "takes the lead" so to speak.  The limitation, and  
it is to be expected, is that you cannot pan the viewing area to view  
a different part of the screen without also moving the VO cursor there  
as well.  For that it is easiest to turn the trackpad commander off  
for a second, glance at what you want to see, and then re-enable it.   
Note that I generally have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, so I  
can't really comment on the finer details when manipulating them  
separately using VoiceOver commands.  Hope this answers your  
question.  Let me know if you want more specifics.

On Sep 14, 2009, at 10:36 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

>
> I wanted to know as I'm not going to take the time to study the
> commander if
>  no.  TIA.
>
> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
> Pete Nalda
> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda
>
>
>
>
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