Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast
In data Sabato 24 Dicembre 2011 21.42.45, Mike Arrigo ha scritto: However, for my every day tasks, using itunes, web surfing, email, word processing, it's mac all the way. There are several accessible word processing choices, text edit works well. Pages is also useable, there is another one called nesus writer, not sure if I am spelling that right, and open office also works, although it takes some getting used to. Mike, I wouldn't talk about "accessible word processing choice". A better statement might be "basic word pprocessing choice". Advanced word processing involves tables, footnotes and end notes management and many other things that, right now, there is no way to do under MacOSX. It's sad, but it is just the way it is right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast
In data Domenica 25 Dicembre 2011 15.56.36, Anne Robertson ha scritto: I have to disagree with you there. So far, the only thing I can't do with Pages is use the change tracking facility. I can find what the changes are but not where they are within a given page. And what's about notes and headings? If I am reading a document using the Say All command, how can I know if a given paragraph contains a note or is an heading? And, if I know a note is present, is there a method to have its content read out without leaving the actual position in the document body? I am not talking about interacting and de-interacting, I'm talking about something easy to use and quick, something I can use in a productive environment. As for handling tables, there is a command to turn them into text so that they can be read. You can also work on them by copying them into Numbers, then copying them back into Pages once you're done. Have a table translated into text is not working with tables, is working with text. Apple produces Voice Over. Apple produces Pages. Apple's philosophy about accessibility is that are the developper themselves that have to make theyr application accessible. So, the Apple's Applications do have to be accessible to set a standard, and an high one. Copy, paste, work, copy and re-paste a table is not a solution, it is a work around. But we are in 2012, aren't we? JAWS for Windows, Windows Eyes, and NVDA also do have a good support for table editing in word processing programs like Openoffice (NVDA) or Microsoft Office. Apple says MacOSX Lion is the most advanced Operating system on the market and Voice Over is part of that system. So why, after 2 or 3 years of mails sent to accessibil...@apple.com, after dozens of bugs submitted during the beta testing, are we here discussing about a feature present in other Screen reading software since 7 or 8 years? Merry Christmas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast
In data Domenica 25 Dicembre 2011 21.02.32, Anne Robertson ha scritto: First of all, I wouldn't use Pages to simply read through a document. TextEdit works much better for this. Pages is a word processing application. It means, at least to me, it is something I must be able to use to write a document, but also to read it. Why in 2011-2012 should I use 2 different applications to accomplish 2 very related task (writing and reading)? It is a non-sense, at least for me. As for knowing whether a note is present, if you interact with a page, VO says "3 items" normally, for header, body and footer, but if there's a text box present, it says "4 items". Too complicated. What is needed is a way to know if in a given paragraph a note reference is present and, if it is, I have to be able to read its content without leaving the text area. In Microsoft Word, using JAWS, if I am reading a text paragraph by paragraph, the screen reader says "X reference present"; the same if I am reading line by line. If I want, I can have the notes read out or I can skip them if I do not care about them. The same for heading. I do not want to go around the screen to discover relevant informations, I want the screen reader to report them to me, when and if I need. We are not talking about Plato's dialogs, about philosophy, we are talking about software and features. I do really welcome differences in ways a task can be accomplished, but efficence should be the most important criteria to be considered. As I said before, simply reading through a document is better done using TextEdit. And as I said before, Pages must be a confortable work environment for writing and editing, and for reading. My mother, wich is sighted, doesn't switch between Pages and text edit: she just open the document she wants, and she uses it. The same result is possible for me when I work under Windows. The same must be possible for all of us when working under MacOSX. Also, what do you call a productive environment? I work as a professional translator and Pages works fine for me. I am working with a collegue and friend on a very long and complex book about science history. He works under Windows, I would like to work under MacOSX. The book will contain many many notes, some pics, a number of cross references and tables. I need to read his work to check out if the notes are in the correct place and to be sure the formatting is consistent. Of course, i need to add my parts to his work. I need to be sure the titles and subtitles have the correct hierarchical level and are properly formatted. I need to be sure the lists are properly marked and formatted. And I want the screen reader to give me those information while scanning the text, I do not want to be forced to scan the text to glean what I need going around the Pages' interface. Those features are very possible to implement and, if they are, they will not change your way to accomplish your work, but tey'll make mine easier. I sent many many request to Apple Accessibility and reported bugs over and over. But nothing has changed. Voice Over Braille support remains absolutely insufficient, advanced word processing is poorly supported, minimaly advanced spreadsheet manipulation is problematicaly complicated and the new fantastic and long awaited international voices are in need of a intense and deep psychoanalytic support, 'cause they are having some gender difficulties. Let's wait and hope, because, as we say in Italy, hope is the last to die! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Collective reports of VoiceOver issues
In data Martedì 17 Gennaio 2012 17.19.34, Emrah ha scritto: What do you think? I think I'm tired of sending feed-backs and never find a bug solved. It's been years I'm reporting problems about selecting contents in Safari and the problem is still there. I'm reporting problems with the new "high quality" Nuance's voices, but no answer at all and the bugs are still there. The italian blind Mac Users community at http://www.universalaccess.it sent some documents regarding Voice Over bugs and requests of new features, including the selection issue in Safari, but here we are. And what about the accessibility of third party applications icon in the status bar? I ask to myself if someone is listening. I'm tired to send reports to accessibil...@apple.com and receiving back the standard message "Oh thanks! We appreciate the feedback and we will pass"... etc... etc... etc... But after all, why not? We have nothing to loose but our time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Right clicking links on a web page?
In data Domenica 29 Gennaio 2012 11.47.28, Doug Lawlor ha scritto: When I press VO-shift-m I get the context menu for the page, not the current link I am focused on. You can try interacting with the link itself. This should solve your problem and bring up the contextual menu. But, unfortunately, it is not a very reliable work around. This is a bug Apple is aware of. Just wait and hope. Some day they'll solve the bug... maybe. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?
In data Martedì 7 Febbraio 2012 12.48.56, roberto burceni ha scritto: Hi all, yes google Chrome works fine, bbut in sites with frames it is not working. I'm trying version 17 beta and it seems better than 16.0, but in frames you can move only with tab and not with voiceover cursor. I Confirm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mountain lion and what we would love to be changed.
Il giorno 18/feb/2012, alle ore 01:35, Yuma Decaux ha scritto: > Hi, > > I think this is more the case of what people hope to see in the new release, > not what they want to change in a product they haven't tried yet. It seems > pretty obvious doesn't it? Hello Yuma. Unfortunately, since now, there no evidences of work on voice over under macosx 10.8. The Braille is still in sufficiently implemented, being the best thing we can say about this feature that… it is there. The multi-thread js not there. The busy busy busy message is still with us and isn't it reassuring? It helps remember that, while the world changes everyday, still there are things which stability is something you can always count on. And, yes, the Nuance's voices bugs are still in place. > Best regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mountain lion and what we would love to be changed.
Inviato da iPhone Il giorno 18/feb/2012, alle ore 16:46, Arrigo ha scritto: > I also have no problems navigating tables. The one place where this can be a > problem is in word processor documents, but these can easily be read by > converting them to plain text. > Mike mike, the point is not there and you are smart enough to understend it > by yourself work with tables in an word processing environment, working > productively with tables i mean, doesn't involve just reading them, but the > ability to recognize the presence of a table without knowing preventively > that a table is present and its positition i need to be able to inspect the > table's contents and, if necessary, I must be in condition to edit data i > must be able to check on table's formatting and change them if so I decide. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mountain lion and what we would love to be changed.
In data Sabato 18 Febbraio 2012 2.47.35, John Panarese ha scritto: I have no idea what this means. OS 10.8 is not out yet, and what are you basing your speculation on that there will be no improvements to VoiceOver. I am not speculating. I have that beta installed on my MBPro and, while I am writing this message on my windows machine, it is running on my laptop. Also, for me, Braille support works just fine, and the "busy" signals that occasionally appear in Safari are manageable and tolerable. Braille, right now, is just a mirror of the voice Output. And this is insufficient. My braille display costs 5000€ and I want to be able to do more with it than reading in braille that Alex or Silvia Says. I want to be able to define my own braille tables, if I need. Or, for GUI controls, in exampe, in italian if I encounter a checked Check box, what VO outputs on my 40 cells braille display is "selezionato casella di spunta" or, if the checkbox is unchecked, "non selezionato casella di spunta". It is more than 30 characters, on a 40 characters display. And there is no way to customize that thing. And this problem is there since braille support has been implemented. And since then, many users and I are requesting a solution. And since then, we all are receiving the usual mail from Apple... They know the problem, they are investigating it (what an hard and difficult investigation!) and they are working to solve the problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voice quirks was Re: Mountain lion and what we would love to be changed.
In data Domenica 19 Febbraio 2012 17.42.59, Annie Skov Nielsen ha scritto: I have also problems with some danish letters the 3 last æ ø and å. I have also reported these bugs to apple, but they have not solved the problems yet. There are problems with the italian voices too. The premium voices in particular are so buggy, that many of us italian users are forced to use the compact Paolo and Silvia. The list of mispronunciation is too long to be reported here, but many many mails have been sent to accessibility -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Il giorno 26/lug/2011, alle ore 05:07, Mike Arrigo ha scritto: > I would also ask, what does voiceover not do that you need it to do? I would > say it does most things the windows screen readers do, and in some ways does > many of them better. Hello Mike. I usually like your podcasts and I find your explanations and demos very interesting. But, in this case, I disagree with you. I am not interested in making comparisons between various screen readers, but I prefer a task-related point of view. In other words, the questions I ask to myself wen I am testing a new work environment, is: Can I do the same things I was used to do with the old tools, even if in a different way? And then, is the new way more or less efficient? Is it possible for me, after an appropriate treating period, to accomplish the same work in the same given time using the new operating set and the new assistive technology? Let me say, I love Apple's operating system and I think Voice Over is an awesome accomplishment. But, when it comes to MacOSX Voice Over implementation, in my Humble opinion, there are many many things VO should do better. First of all, Braille implementation is… less then insufficient. After two years, what Braille support under MacOSX Voice Over does, is a poor TTS mirroring. Advanced word processing is another huge problem. How can I work easily with tables, nested lists, end notes, footnotes, headings? Spreadsheets is the same thing. Ok, I can populate a spreadsheet, but when it comes to work with merged cells, formulas, graphics and all that sort of stuff, well, there is a problem, and it is not a very very little problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
cutting video on MACOSX
hello guys. I'm wandering if anyone of you knows an accessible application under MacOSX that allows easy selecting, copyng and cutting of a video MP4 file. I was trying MPEG Streamclip, but it freezes to much. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: questions
In data Giovedě 19 Settembre 2013 17.46.00, Rebecca Sabo ha scritto: Hi all, I updated my mack pro . Well done. Now my iTunes is corrupted . How do I fix the problem ? You shoul'd download iTunes from www.apple.com and re-install it. When will you be able to read ibooks on the mack computer? I allready am, cause I installed the beta version of Mavericks, witch includes iBooks for MacOSX. When it will be released, you'll be able too. :-) My bests. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: questions
In data Giovedě 19 Settembre 2013 17.58.39, Maria and Joe Chapman ha scritto: HI. I didn't think the update for the mac was out yet? Indeed, it isn't, if you're referring to MacOSX 10.9 Mavericks. Maybe October. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
IOS 7: bug in contact manager
Hello folks.. Here I am to report some accessibility issues under IOS 7 and contact manager. 1. It is impossible to use the VO rotor to edit some contact information, such as name, family name, salutation etc... Notes, phone number, e-mail address, web site fields are not affected. using a bluetooth keyboard with quicknav off doesn't solve the problem. 2. In the edit field affected by the bug reported above, when performing a single finger double tap to move VO cursor to the beginning or to the end of the field's content, causes Voice Over to announce "Insertion pointed start" even if the cursor is at the end of the text. The cursor position changes, but this is not reported by Voice Over. 3. It's impossible to add an address field to an existing contact. Trying to do that causes the Phone application to crash. The only way to do that is tapping the button with Voice Over turned off. Can you confirm? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
MacOSX: Daisy reader
Hello. On my iPhone I use InDaisy as Daisy book reader. My question is: is there an application to properly read Daisy books under MacOSX? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MacOSX: Daisy reader
Il giorno 25/mar/2013, alle ore 14:04, Maria & Joe Chapman ha scritto: > Hi try olearia Downloaded and installed, but it doesn't work. I can only get to the "check automatically for updates" dialogs, but, whatever button I click on, the application suddenly closes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple accessibility email
Il giorno 25/mar/2013, alle ore 17:10, ROD SKENE ha scritto: > I forgot the email address for Apple accessibility. Anyone have it? I want to > report VoiceOver can't read the available air play speakers on the Apple Tv. accessibil...@apple.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MacOSX: Daisy reader
Il giorno 25/mar/2013, alle ore 22:49, Devin Prater ha scritto: > I could never get this app to work. And can it do text only daisy books? > Yes, there is text-only daisy books support... Unfortunately the App itself seems not to work :-( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Is there an accessible Usenet client
Hi all. I am looking for an accessible NNTP usenet client. I was trying four of them, but none is usable. I tried Nemo. It seemed very very promising; the configuration wizard was fully accessible, but... the table containing the subscribed groups looks empty to Voice Over. I mean, it can see the table but all rows and columns are empty for VO. Of course, the control containing the message itself is a standard HTML content that VO can read with no problem... :-) Menu bar cannot be accessed by pressing VO+m, but they respond to ctrl+f2. Voice Over will not read them. :-) Ok, uninstalled Nemo, I instal thunderbird. Just for fun. As you already know, no accessibility at all there. Thoth was m third attempt. Another disaster. I was not able to access the preferences dialog. The last usenet client I tried is Unisom. Preferences are accessible and so are the menus and other pars of the application. But the overall accessibility is less then pore. Some controls do respond to VO+space, others need the simulated mouse click, and some are triggered only by a physical mouse click. The message list is not easy to find, and the threaded view is not a list or a table but some kind of text area... I am not sure... :-) Any help? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client
Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto: > Pine can do nntp if configured properly. So can alpine. Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Glitch with Nuance Voices In Lion Getting Worse
In data Domenica 16 Ottobre 2011 12.27.55, Shawn Krasniuk ha scritto: Hey guys. I don't know if any of you guys noticed but when using the Nuance voices with Voice Over in Lion 10.72, the bug with the freaky pitch changes has gotten worse. I like using Samantha a lot and it would be too bad if I had to use Alex for everything because of this bug. So I'd like to encourage everyone to get on Apple Accessibilities aces and tell them to fix this stupid bug once and for all. I'm a registered developer and I'm sending bug-repors about this problem since the first pubblic release of Lion, but no one is listening... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
IOS: accessible VO cloent
Hello guys.
I am looking for an accessible Facebook client under IOS5. I Tried the official
FB App and Facely HD too, but it was a very frustrating experience. Facely HD
refreshers very frequently the screen, causing VO to loose focus. Write a note
becomes a very challenging task and even reading posts is not a piece of cake.
The link/button/control to comment a post or to say that I like it is missing:
I mean, it is visible on the screen and it is displayed as a plus sign ("+"),
but for VO it is as if it was not there.
Any suggestion?
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Re: IOS: accessible VO cloent
In data Lunedě 24 Ottobre 2011 13.23.56, Doug Lawlor ha scritto: Check out Focus for Facebook in the app store. Thanks Doug, donwloaded, installed and tried out. It... works... in some way. Of course, it doesn't fully support FB features. You cannot Add or edit notes, you cannot access "Places" or Check-in, but, at least, you can read feeds, status messages and say if you do like them or not and you can post comment. What I would like to have is the ufficial FB app made accessible. But :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: impossible anymore to like or comment on people's Facebook posts
In data Sabato 5 Novembre 2011 18.53.29, Ray Foret Jr ha scritto: But that's what I mean. IF there isn't a comment already you cannot do it. that sucks now. Agreed. I noticed it 2 or 3 weeks ago. The HTML code sent to the browser is user-agent dependent. If you emulate Internet Explorer or Firefox, no problem at all: what you get from FB is the old and working code, if your browser sensd Safari as user-agent, well, it's a mess. Just for information, if you emulate Safari with Firefox under Windows with NVDA or JAWS as screen readers or Orca under linux, you'll have the same problem. But, since iesterday, the problem was present only at http://m.facebook.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: impossible anymore to like or comment on people's Facebook posts
In data Domenica 6 Novembre 2011 9.45.56, Rahul Bajaj ha scritto: What do you actually get by emulating? Emulating is not a solution, it is only a work around. And it is not possible under IOS, I think. :-( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Three little problems with Mail and VO
Hello. When I am reading a newly created mail message that contains lists (especially numbered ones) VO behaves strangely. If one of the list items is longer than one line, VO reads the item and repeats the item number at the begin of every line. It is very disturbing. below you can find an example of what I mean: This list item is ok; This is not. This item is longer than just one line and, if I try to read it with VO, the screen reader speaks out numbers that do not exist in the real message, making me think I made a mistake and making difficult to read a message to proofread it or for any other reason; This is the third item and VO reads it right. Problem number two. When I am reading a message, I can find no way to have VO telling me if some text is quoted or not. And that is true even in HTML messages in witch quoted text is properly tagged. Problem number Three: if viewing the message list in threaded mode, I mean with messages grouped by discussion, there is no way to know the nesting level of a given message. I mean: I post this message to the mailing list and this is the... root message of the thread, nesting 0 if you wish; Now, Joe answer my message and this is nesting level 1; I answer back to Joe and this is nesting level 2; In big, long and crowded threads this make a little bit difficult to figure out who is responding to whom. >> Any help? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
