Re: Voicebook VO

[Mary Scott]

I need some clarity please.  Is this for use as an alternative to FaceBook?  I 
stay away from FB because it makes me crazy.  Will this take the crazy away?  
Does it cost money?  Mel
On May 25, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> I just dowloaded and tried this app and it's wonderful!
> I absolutely love it.
> On May 25, 2012, at 2:17 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
> 
>> This app released just now is designed for VoiceOver users in mind. Link is 
>> here. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-book-vo/id523008719?mt=8&ls=1
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Re: Voicebook VO

[Mary Scott]

Yes, I figured out that it is an iPhone ap not for the MacBook.  
On May 25, 2012, at 7:11 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:

> Depends what you mean by alternative to Facebook. It's a free app.
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 25/05/2012 22:29, Mary Scott wrote:
>> I need some clarity please.  Is this for use as an alternative to FaceBook?  
>> I stay away from FB because it makes me crazy.  Will this take the crazy 
>> away?  Does it cost money?  Mel
>> On May 25, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> I just dowloaded and tried this app and it's wonderful!
>>> I absolutely love it.
>>> On May 25, 2012, at 2:17 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This app released just now is designed for VoiceOver users in mind. Link 
>>>> is here. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-book-vo/id523008719?mt=8&ls=1
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Re: any way to make library show up in go menu?

[Mary Scott]

Please tell what the Go menu is exactly.  What is an alias.  What is the 
difference in duplicating a file verses copying?  What are examples of how I 
wmight use them.  I may be asking some basic questions because I am trying to 
learn vocabulary.  Thanks for you patience if you have any for this sort of 
thing.  Mel
On May 30, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Now that! is cool!  I was totally unaware you could get there through the Go 
> menu.  Oh man! that makes my life easier!  Now I can just make an alias for 
> it!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: any way to make library show up in go menu?
> 
> 
>> Like Tim said, just use the VO + arrow keys to navigate the Go menu.
>> since VO keys include Option, you get the library folder exposed every
>> time.  I used to not realize that Library was normally hidden to users
>> I may have changed something in the shell near the beginning of my
>> time with the mac but don't recall now.  I know an Apple support was
>> working with me near that time to try and resolve an issue but dunno
>> now if I changed anything there for that.
>> 
>> Anyway, I always see the Library folder when using the VO keys to
>> navigate the Go menu.
>> 
>> On 5/29/12, Caitlyn and Nickels  wrote:
>>> Iona,
>>> this does work, if you arrow up and down the go  menu after hitting option.
>>> 
>>> also if you do, for example, vo shift h, then vo shift g(shortcut for
>>> the go to menu), then just type "library) this will get you there as well.
>>> None of these will keep the libraries visible all the time, though.  I don't
>>> know how to do that, sorry.
>>> 
>>> Hope this made sense, am on painkillers today!  lol!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-28, at 9:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>> 
 HI all,
 
 Red som instructions about having library pop up in go menu in finder.
 Can't find equivalent method with vo. Here are the instructions:
 CLlick on go menu and hold down option key and then the library option
 pops up in the go menu.
 
 THanks,
 
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Re: any way to make library show up in go menu?

[Mary Scott]

Thanks, this does help. Mel
On May 31, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Go menu is a menu that, in this case, resides when you are in the Finder. 
>  It is a menu just like the File or Edit menu with options relating to 
> different file locations you may wish to go when in the Finder.  As a side 
> note, the Finder is similar to the Desktop or Windows Explorer in the Windows 
> environment.
> 
> An alias is synonymous with a Shortcut in the Windows environment.  It is 
> simply another name for a file that is placed in a different location.  The 
> alias is a pointer to the original.
> 
> Copying and Duplicating do more or less the same thing.  usually if you 
> Duplicate a file, a copy is placed within the same general file location and 
> the filename will be the same with the word "Copy" appended to the end.  If 
> you use the Copy and Paste style, normally, you're making a copy of the file 
> somewhere else in your file structure.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Later...
> sss
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-05-31, at 6:33 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
> 
>> Please tell what the Go menu is exactly.  What is an alias.  What is the 
>> difference in duplicating a file verses copying?  What are examples of how I 
>> wmight use them.  I may be asking some basic questions because I am trying 
>> to learn vocabulary.  Thanks for you patience if you have any for this sort 
>> of thing.  Mel
>> On May 30, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> Now that! is cool!  I was totally unaware you could get there through the 
>>> Go menu.  Oh man! that makes my life easier!  Now I can just make an alias 
>>> for it!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any way to make library show up in go menu?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Like Tim said, just use the VO + arrow keys to navigate the Go menu.
>>>> since VO keys include Option, you get the library folder exposed every
>>>> time.  I used to not realize that Library was normally hidden to users
>>>> I may have changed something in the shell near the beginning of my
>>>> time with the mac but don't recall now.  I know an Apple support was
>>>> working with me near that time to try and resolve an issue but dunno
>>>> now if I changed anything there for that.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I always see the Library folder when using the VO keys to
>>>> navigate the Go menu.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/12, Caitlyn and Nickels  wrote:
>>>>> Iona,
>>>>> this does work, if you arrow up and down the go  menu after hitting 
>>>>> option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> also if you do, for example, vo shift h, then vo shift g(shortcut for
>>>>> the go to menu), then just type "library) this will get you there as well.
>>>>> None of these will keep the libraries visible all the time, though.  I 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know how to do that, sorry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this made sense, am on painkillers today!  lol!
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2012-05-28, at 9:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> HI all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Red som instructions about having library pop up in go menu in finder.
>>>>>> Can't find equivalent method with vo. Here are the instructions:
>>>>>> CLlick on go menu and hold down option key and then the library option
>>>>>> pops up in the go menu.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> THanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ioana
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most 
>>>>>> online
>>>>>> stores.
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Making MP3

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, I am interested in making an exercise recording to be placed on the 
internet for download.  I have never attempted such a thing but I must start 
somewhere.  Can anybody point me in the right direction?  I am a complete 
novice.  Mel

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Re: 446 Places for Free Books Online

[Mary Scott]

Has anyone found any of these useful?
On May 24, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> ahem,
> The amazing thing abut this list well at least two are that there he author 
> wants comments giving mac users a chance to share how many of these sites can 
> be used in the mac environment.
> another amazing thing is the 91 places for free audiobooks list included on 
> the page below.
> i hope a few dive in and offer mac  feedback to the person...who should be 
> knighted... for doing all this work.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/50-places-free-books-online.htm
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Recording on MacBook

[Mary Scott]

Is there a way to record a note or singing?  How might I do that?

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Re: Making MP3

[Mary Scott]

I tried to open Quicktime Player and it says it has no windows.  Do I need to 
download something to activate it?
On May 31, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> It much depends what you want to do and what equipment to use.
> 
> DO you want to record yourself with your mac or with an other device? DO you 
> want to make the download available to anybody or just to people you invite 
> etc.
> 
> GIve us ore details and I am sure you will sort things out
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On May 31, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I am interested in making an exercise recording to be placed on the 
>> internet for download.  I have never attempted such a thing but I must start 
>> somewhere.  Can anybody point me in the right direction?  I am a complete 
>> novice.  Mel
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Re: question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with items

[Mary Scott]

Actually, this was a hard thing for me to learn also.  So I just said to 
myself, "When in doubt, interact".  Teach her what the key strokes are to get 
in and out and tell her to play.  It is so simple when it finally clicks.
On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> The way I explain VoiceOver's interacting with an object or region is to 
> think of what a sighted person does with their eyes when they want to focus 
> in on a small region of the screen.  They squint their eyes a bit and narrow 
> their gaze and focus in on a region of the screen that might have small 
> details.  It's also akin (sort of) to the zoom feature of a camera; when in 
> zoom mode, you can only see certain elements at a time, but you can see great 
> detail.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
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unresponsive links in website

[Mary Scott]

Hi, I want to brouse around a shopping website called Mountain Hardwear and 
when I click on a link, it does nothing at all.  Any ideas?  Mel

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Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Mary Scott]

So does this maake it possible to take a picture of printed material and it 
will read it back on the iPhone?
On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Most people find Prizmo to be the best OCR app for iPhone. Here is a link to 
> the Prizmo guide on Applevis:
> 
> 
> I suspect it works best on an iPhone since it has a better camera than other 
> IOS devices.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2012, at 11:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello listers!
>> I would like to know if there is any good or cout software for iPhone or iPad
>> If it exists, which is better? An iPhone or the new iPad? 
>> Please let me know the name of such a software.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated
>> Thank you
>> Cheers
>> Venkatesh Potluri 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: rss readers

[Mary Scott]

Please tell me exactly what an RSS feed is and 
 what does it do?On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:58 AM, David Hole wrote:

> Hi folks.
> 
> I'm using Google Reader, wich works everywhere.
> 
> To make it even more efficiant, I use http://www.google.com/reader/m to read.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM, brianna Snyder
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I use one called Vienna, and I like it a lot. I'm very interested to find an 
>> RSS reader that I can use both on the Mac, and the iDevices, though. 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brianna
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Steve Vandecar wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What is a good rss reader for the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Steve
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Re: rss readers

[Mary Scott]

Aha!  /thank you very much.  I need a computer lexicon.
On Jun 19, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hi Mary, I don't know what it stands for so someone else can chine in there 
> but the best way I can describe it to you is that if you have a favourite 
> website e.g. a blog and they have an RSS on that site then if you clicked on 
> that RSS link or whatever element the RSS happens to be, it will put it into 
> your RSS programme so you would be getting updates from the website but 
> through the programme. In other words as long as the feed doesn't brake in 
> the future, you don't even need to go to the website you can just view it in 
> your RSS programme. 
> I hope that makes sence. LOL 
> 
> Daniel
> On 19 Jun 2012, at 18:03, Mary Scott wrote:
> 
>> Please tell me exactly what an RSS feed is and 
>> what does it do?On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:58 AM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I'm using Google Reader, wich works everywhere.
>>> 
>>> To make it even more efficiant, I use http://www.google.com/reader/m to 
>>> read.
>>> 
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM, brianna Snyder
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I use one called Vienna, and I like it a lot. I'm very interested to find 
>>>> an RSS reader that I can use both on the Mac, and the iDevices, though. 
>>>> Suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brianna
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Steve Vandecar wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is a good rss reader for the Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Steve
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Dragon Naturally Speaking and MacBook

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Hi all, A friend who is blind and does not want to type wants to know if Dragon 
Naturally Speaking can work on a MacBook and does he have to type.  I have 
never used Dragon and I don't know what it can and can not do.  Does anyone 
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Assigning commands to gestures

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I am currently playing with assigning commands to gestures.  I was successful 
but now I want to undo what I did.  I can't figure out to change the assignment 
I made.  How?  Mel

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Re: Dragon Naturally Speaking and MacBook

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Thanks so much.  I'll let them know.  I am excited to try the dictation feature 
mself.  Mel
On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:06 PM, jason lefevers wrote:

> Hi I have never used dragon dictation however I have heard of blind people 
> using it with there windows computer with JAWS I am not sure  how it works 
> for mac. But in saying that how old is there mac computer? next month when 
> mountain lion is released it will have a built in dictation feature that will 
> allow everyone to type by using speach and its already built into the OS so 
> if its anything like the dictation on the Iphone 4S it should be pretty good. 
> Hope this helps . Jason 
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>> Hi all, A friend who is blind and does not want to type wants to know if 
>> Dragon Naturally Speaking can work on a MacBook and does he have to type.  I 
>> have never used Dragon and I don't know what it can and can not do.  Does 
>> anyone know the answer?  Mel
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gestures in Mail

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Hi all, I am playing with gestures today.  Is it possible to enter an e-mail 
and have it read the whole thing?  What gesture??  Mel

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Re: gestures in Mail

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It does not do that.  It sounds like it is interacting but it does not read.  
Are there settings I need to change.  I am determined to get the hang of 
gestures.  Mel
On Jun 22, 2012, at 4:53 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>Double tap on the message you want to open.  Then, just use a two finger 
> swipe down to read it continuously, though it should read in its entirety 
> when you open it.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
> jpanar...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
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>> Hi all, I am playing with gestures today.  Is it possible to enter an e-mail 
>> and have it read the whole thing?  What gesture??  Mel
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Re: gestures in Mail

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It is interacting with the subject line or the From field.  Should I tap some 
place else?  Mel
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> when you open it.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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>> and have it read the whole thing?  What gesture??  Mel
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iPhone Question

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Hi all, I really really want an iPhone.  My phone is the pits.  Does anyone 
have an idea when the newest iPhone is coming out?  Is it worth waiting for you 
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Re: New news about PDF Pen

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How can i get this podcast?
On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote:

> Hello guys,
> 
> I skimmed through some of the archives discussing PDF pen, which so far 
> indicate this is a great app to have.
> GG noted that she had some difficulties completing PDF forms. Is this 
> something that has been remedied?
> I encourage you guys to listen to the Mac Power Users podcast if you are not 
> doing so already. I have found it to be a great podcast, as I begin truly 
> diving into the wonderful world of Mac.
> 
> Thanks for any feedback.
> 
> Sent from my iMac
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Re: Mac Power Users Podcast Link

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Is this for users in general or just for VO users?
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> Hello folks,
> 
> Hope everyone has had a great Independence Day.
> Here is the link for those interested:
> 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mac-power-users/id458066753
> 
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Downloading books shortcuts?

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Hi all, I download books from BARD and Bookshare to my Victer Stream.  I am 
hoping there is a more streamline way.  I go to the downloads foulder with 
command option L, copy the file, than press VO J to go to the sidebar, then 
navigate to Victer Card,then VO J again to get to the Talking Book folder, and 
then paste it into the folder.  This works fine but it seems like I should be 
able to cut out some of the back and forth and up and down.  Is there a way to 
jump directly from Downloads to the Talking book folder on the Stream?  I hope 
this is clear.  Mel

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Selecting e-mails to copy in message headers

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Hi all, I used to be able to select an address from message headers by pressing 
VO Return and then using the arrows keys to select the address.  It isn't 
working anymore.  How do I select an e-mail address from Message Header Group 
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I got it myself, here's why I wanted it

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I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.

I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.   
From:21-Day Meditation Challenge I 
can't find the play button.  My sighted friend has no problem.  Any help is 
appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have asked this 
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Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it

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Not to sound stupid but when you say "right click" does that mean press Enter 
or VO space bar.  I do not use the mouse.
On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> sometimes you can right click on the link and download the linked file. good 
> luck, max 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
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>> I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.
>> 
>> I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.
>> From:21-Day Meditation Challenge I 
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>> appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have asked this 
>> question, please tell me.  Mel  
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Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it

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Okay, I opened the context menu and clicked on save file in downloads.  I went 
to my downloads folder and it saved the html page with the link on it but I 
still can not get it to play.  My son just presses a place on the track pad and 
it plays.  Is there a way to get the track pad to tell me where the triangle is 
indicates a play button?  I am feeling rather frustrated.  Mel   Thanks for 
helping me.
On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> It means bring up the contextual menu with VO-shift-M.
> 
> hTH,
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
> 
>> Not to sound stupid but when you say "right click" does that mean press 
>> Enter or VO space bar.  I do not use the mouse.
>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>> 
>>> sometimes you can right click on the link and download the linked file. 
>>> good luck, max 
>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.
>>>> 
>>>> I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.  
>>>> From:21-Day Meditation Challenge I 
>>>> can't find the play button.  My sighted friend has no problem.  Any help 
>>>> is appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have asked this 
>>>> question, please tell me.  Mel  
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Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it

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Do you think I should notify the webmaster?  Will that help?  Mel 
On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:

> It very well may be a play button embedded inside of an image, so as to make 
> it colorful, etc.  In these cases, there is really no way to get access to it 
> without sighted help, unfortunately.  I love meditation and meditation 
> podcasts, so this is a shame.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello;  i'm sorry. i said sometimes because other times all you get is the 
>> html link.  if it were youtube you could use their new html5 i wish i could 
>> be more help. take care, max 
>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Mary Scott wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I opened the context menu and clicked on save file in downloads.  I 
>>> went to my downloads folder and it saved the html page with the link on it 
>>> but I still can not get it to play.  My son just presses a place on the 
>>> track pad and it plays.  Is there a way to get the track pad to tell me 
>>> where the triangle is indicates a play button?  I am feeling rather 
>>> frustrated.  Mel   Thanks for helping me.
>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It means bring up the contextual menu with VO-shift-M.
>>>> 
>>>> hTH,
>>>> Teresa
>>>> 
>>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>>> Feynman
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Not to sound stupid but when you say "right click" does that mean press 
>>>>> Enter or VO space bar.  I do not use the mouse.
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> sometimes you can right click on the link and download the linked file. 
>>>>>> good luck, max 
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.   
>>>>>>> From:21-Day Meditation Challenge
>>>>>>>  I can't find the play button.  My sighted friend has no problem.  Any 
>>>>>>> help is appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have 
>>>>>>> asked this question, please tell me.  Mel  
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Re: Opening links and downloading from Chopra Center web site [was Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it]

[Mary Scott]

e and choose "Save linked file as…" NOT "Save 
> linked file to Downloads"
> 
> If you follow the web page instructions, you will be able to save the linked 
> file as an mp3 file.  If you don't use "Save linked file as…" but instead use 
> "Save linked file to Downloads" you will always get the HTML page.  This has 
> nothing to do with VoiceOver accessibility and everything to do with 
> following instructions -- if you ask your sighted son to choose the "Save 
> linked file to Downloads", he will also get an HTML file. 
> 
> So when you use the contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) on the link, arrow down to 
> "Save linked file as …" and press return.  Alternatively, if you want it to 
> play the track in iTunes, you can choose "Open with iTunes" -- but you will 
> not be downloading the actual file, just a pointer to the streamed mp3 file 
> on the web site that will be added to the iTunes library.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello;  i'm sorry. i said sometimes because other times all you get is the 
>> html link.  if it were youtube you could use their new html5 i wish i could 
>> be more help. take care, max 
>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Mary Scott wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I opened the context menu and clicked on save file in downloads.  I 
>>> went to my downloads folder and it saved the html page with the link on it 
>>> but I still can not get it to play.  My son just presses a place on the 
>>> track pad and it plays.  Is there a way to get the track pad to tell me 
>>> where the triangle is indicates a play button?  I am feeling rather 
>>> frustrated.  Mel   Thanks for helping me.
>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It means bring up the contextual menu with VO-shift-M.
>>>> 
>>>> hTH,
>>>> Teresa
>>>> 
>>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>>> Feynman
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Not to sound stupid but when you say "right click" does that mean press 
>>>>> Enter or VO space bar.  I do not use the mouse.
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> sometimes you can right click on the link and download the linked file. 
>>>>>> good luck, max 
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.   
>>>>>>> From:21-Day Meditation Challenge
>>>>>>>  I can't find the play button.  My sighted friend has no problem.  Any 
>>>>>>> help is appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have 
>>>>>>> asked this question, please tell me.  Mel  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
> 
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Re: Opening links and downloading from Chopra Center web site [was Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it]

[Mary Scott]

gt; 3. In order to save the linked file as an mp3 file, you need to follow the 
> instructions on the web page and choose "Save linked file as…" NOT "Save 
> linked file to Downloads"
> 
> If you follow the web page instructions, you will be able to save the linked 
> file as an mp3 file.  If you don't use "Save linked file as…" but instead use 
> "Save linked file to Downloads" you will always get the HTML page.  This has 
> nothing to do with VoiceOver accessibility and everything to do with 
> following instructions -- if you ask your sighted son to choose the "Save 
> linked file to Downloads", he will also get an HTML file. 
> 
> So when you use the contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) on the link, arrow down to 
> "Save linked file as …" and press return.  Alternatively, if you want it to 
> play the track in iTunes, you can choose "Open with iTunes" -- but you will 
> not be downloading the actual file, just a pointer to the streamed mp3 file 
> on the web site that will be added to the iTunes library.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello;  i'm sorry. i said sometimes because other times all you get is the 
>> html link.  if it were youtube you could use their new html5 i wish i could 
>> be more help. take care, max 
>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Mary Scott wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I opened the context menu and clicked on save file in downloads.  I 
>>> went to my downloads folder and it saved the html page with the link on it 
>>> but I still can not get it to play.  My son just presses a place on the 
>>> track pad and it plays.  Is there a way to get the track pad to tell me 
>>> where the triangle is indicates a play button?  I am feeling rather 
>>> frustrated.  Mel   Thanks for helping me.
>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It means bring up the contextual menu with VO-shift-M.
>>>> 
>>>> hTH,
>>>> Teresa
>>>> 
>>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>>> Feynman
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Not to sound stupid but when you say "right click" does that mean press 
>>>>> Enter or VO space bar.  I do not use the mouse.
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> sometimes you can right click on the link and download the linked file. 
>>>>>> good luck, max 
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I discovered how to copy and paste now here's why I wanted it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want help figuring out how to play an audio clip from this website.   
>>>>>>> From:21-Day Meditation Challenge
>>>>>>>  I can't find the play button.  My sighted friend has no problem.  Any 
>>>>>>> help is appreciated.  Mel   If there is a better way for me to have 
>>>>>>> asked this question, please tell me.  Mel  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Opening links and downloading from Chopra Center web site [was Re: I got it myself, here's why I wanted it]

[Mary Scott]

You are a sweetie.  Thanks for trying. Mel 
On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hello Mel,
> 
> This web site is clearly not designed with accessibility in mind.  When I 
> couldn't find a link name that appeared to be associated with a download or 
> media player I tried to check the link images.  The seventh item on the links 
> menu of the web rotor, which has a name that starts with "Pic" and then 
> number for a July 16, 2012 calendar date, followed by a few more numbers and 
> a "jpg" extension turned out to be to a YouTube video with the URL:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSr_EGOFYrU&feature=youtu.be
> I don't know whether you can play this on your Mac, depending on your 
> settings. I do have Adobe flash enabled on my Mac for those times when I have 
> to find something where there's flash.  However, this video appears to 
> available in HTML5, which means that it will play on iOS devices and systems 
> without flash.  
> 
> The name of the YouTube page is: "Hangout with Deepak, Paulo Coehlo, Vicente 
> Fox, Lisa Ling, Fran Drescher, Eric Handler, and more!"
> 
> If you have an iOS device of any sort, you can go to the YouTube app and type 
> in "Hangout with Deepak" into the search box to get this and play it in a 
> totally accessible manner!
> 
> I don't know how you're supposed to download this, and I didn't read anything 
> on that web page about downloading a YouTube video. There is a site called 
> dirpy.com that lets you perform audio and video downloads of YouTube videos, 
> and it works reliably and accessibly. But these functions don't seem to be 
> working today.  When I visit the URL:
> http://dirpy.com/
> there is a message: "We are looking at the YouTube issue and will have an 
> update as soon as possible. Thank you."  Normally, I could just paste in the 
> URL from the YouTube address bar into the text box and press return to get a 
> page of with the matching video and download options.  Today, doing that 
> presents me with a page of random YouTube links.  Typing in the search term 
> "Hangout with Deepak, Paulo Coehlo, Vicente Fox, Lisa Ling, Fran Drescher, 
> Eric Handler, and more!" and pressing return does give me a page with two 
> links -- one to the actual video and another to a short preview video that 
> was put out to announce the event, but none of the controls that let you 
> select the audio or video format you want to download appear today.  I guess 
> this is part of the "YouTube issue" that they are looking into.
> 
> By the way, you'll only be able to do the conversion if you have Adobe Flash 
> player support on your Mac, which now has to be explicitly downloaded.  It 
> doesn't come as part of the Mac computer systems any more, and it really was 
> a source of performance problems on some machines, as well as being an 
> accessibility sore.
> 
> If you want to read more details about how to use the Dirpy site (assuming 
> they fix the YouTube access issue, and you can play Flash), check my  forum 
> post at the Mail Archive site:
> • Re: accessible youtube to mp3 converter
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg58313.html
> Really the only warning is that the downloads (when this is working) happen 
> really fast after you make your selections and with no alerts, so you should 
> just check your Downloads folder.  However, if you read down the thread (with 
> Control-n), you'll find a post from someone who got the mp3 download working, 
> but wanted the video download as well, and my response goes through a 
> step-by-step description of the controls.  It turns out that the second time 
> the user tried it, using the same steps as before, everything worked for the 
> video download as well, so my reply was not really needed, but if you want to 
> read a detailed description about the layout of the "Record Video" and 
> "Record Audio" controls for the dirpy.com site, pressing control-n twice 
> after opening the link I gave above, will navigate to first the question post 
> about video and my response.
> 
> HTH.  If it's any consolation, I don't understand that website, either.  
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> 
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mary Scott wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just don't understand this website.  I have not been able to locate a 
>> download link. MelHi, Here is the url 
>> http://www.chopracentermeditation.com/bestsellers/ProgramPage.aspx?bookid=169&id=7219
>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Mel,
>>> 
>>> First, let me answer what I think is you

iTunes is making me crazy

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, iTunes keeps prompting me for my ID and password over and over.  I only 
want to practice my music that is on the desk top.  I am wanting a hammer.  
What to do?  Mel  

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iTunes and VLC

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Hi all, I like to use my Mac to practice my music.  ITunes is so so annoying to 
me.  Is VLC better and simpler or should I make myself conquer iTunes?  I will 
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Dictation

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Hi all, I am so excited.  My son downloaded ML today for me.  It was a bit 
dicey but it is okay now.  My question is, when dictating, is it necessary to 
say every punctuation or does it get it by the way it sounds?

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toggle reader?

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Hi all, If you are using VO does toggle reader mean anything useful to us?

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Re: toggle reader?

[Mary Scott]

Thank you. Wonderful.
On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
wrote:

> The reader is very useful for dealing with large chunks of text on a webpage, 
> such as a magazine or newspaper article.  Command Shift R toggles it, and 
> with it on, I find that VO behaves a lot better when reading the text.
> 
> 
> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> • My home page:
> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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iTunes promting me for password

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Hi all, I nor anyone in my family have yet to disable the iTunes prompt for 
Apple Id and password.  All I want to do is go to my desktop where my singing 
tracks are located and listen to them one after the other.  As it is now, I 
have to tell ITunes to cancel the prompt after every song I listen to.  Please 
give me directions to bury this very deep.  Mel  

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Dictating long passages

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I can only dictate a few sentences before it chimes stopping dictation.  I 
tried to pause so it could catch up but it did not help.  Are there some tips 
on dictation?

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Favorite mailbox question

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Hi all, I love being able to press command 1 to quickly go to my in box.  Is 
there a way to make command 2 my Mac Lists?  
Will somebody please tell me what HDH at the end of an e-mail means?  I hate 
being in the dark.  Mel 

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Dragging and dropping frustration

[Mary Scott]

Okay, I attempted several times to drag my Mac List mailbox over to my 
Favorites bar so that it will pop up when pressing command 2.  I went to the 
list and marked it successfully for dragging.  I went to Drafts which is in the 
second position and marked it for dropping.  It made the satisfying dragging 
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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

[Mary Scott]

This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I can't get 
to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way to bypass the actual 
podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO question now.  Grin.  Mel
On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:

> All,
>   First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has absolutely 
> nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might need a smile.
>   I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is called 20 
> Reasons why being blind is great.
>   If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and give it 
> a listen. Enjoy!
> 
> Here is the link
> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
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iTunes paranoia

[Mary Scott]

I have a mental block when it come to iTunes.  Can somebody direct me to a very 
friendly guide to create a  playlist so I can listen to my songs.  I want the 
iTunes store BS to be vanquished if possible. 

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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

[Mary Scott]

I do not have an iPPhone yet.  What to do instead?
On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> You can find these podcasts on iBlink Radio app for the iPhone
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:39, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I can't 
>> get to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way to bypass the 
>> actual podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO question now.  Grin.  Mel
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has absolutely 
>>> nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might need a smile.
>>> I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is called 20 
>>> Reasons why being blind is great.
>>> If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and give it 
>>> a listen. Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> Here is the link
>>> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
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Re: Dragging and dropping frustration

[Mary Scott]

Thank you, I succeeded in dragging to  the mailbox after Drafts to the command 
3 position.  I don't know why or exactly how but that is good enough for me.  
It said Drafts was not draggable.  I pressed Full screen not Zoom.  Zoom did 
not work. Mel 
On Aug 9, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> HI,
> 
> 2 suggestions:
> Press the zoom button to make sure that both folders are visible at moment of 
> drag and drop. DOn't ask e exactly how this works but it helps.
> 2. Try using drop before voiceover cursor vo+the sign for less then.
> 3. In lion I used the other method with mouse down and mouse up for this. 
> Ricardo Walker has an episode in "apple to the core" about this.
> 
> hth,
> Ioana
> 
> Try the  
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I attempted several times to drag my Mac List mailbox over to my 
>> Favorites bar so that it will pop up when pressing command 2.  I went to the 
>> list and marked it successfully for dragging.  I went to Drafts which is in 
>> the second position and marked it for dropping.  It made the satisfying 
>> dragging noises and then said it failed to drop of Drafts.  What else can I 
>> do?  Mel 
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Mail issue

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, I just downloaded ML so I am sorry if this has been answered.  Mail was 
working great at first but now if I click on a link in order to go to a 
website, it goes to Finder and says Safari is running in the background which 
means I have to move through windows to find the site and then mail acts very 
strange and I have trouble getting back to it.  Any ideas what is going on?  
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commands menues

[Mary Scott]

I am studying the commands menus in Help.  I am noticing that several commands 
do not have keystrokes paired with them.  Does this mean we should create our 
own?  Also, I am having trouble actually finding things when I press VO F for 
Finding e-mails or words in a website.  What am I missing?  Mel 

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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

[Mary Scott]

I went to the AP Store and I can not find my way to an edit field so that I can 
type in the podcast name.  Mel  
On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> Ok, go into iTunes, and go to the iTunes store, enter how to be blind into 
> the search box, you will then see a podcast listed with that title.  You will 
> be able to play the podcasts from there and also subscribe to Mike's feeds. 
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 16:20, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I do not have an iPPhone yet.  What to do instead?
>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> You can find these podcasts on iBlink Radio app for the iPhone
>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:39, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I can't 
>>>> get to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way to bypass 
>>>> the actual podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO question now.  
>>>> Grin.  Mel
>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>>   First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has absolutely 
>>>>> nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might need a smile.
>>>>>   I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is called 20 
>>>>> Reasons why being blind is great.
>>>>>   If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and give it 
>>>>> a listen. Enjoy!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is the link
>>>>> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
>>>>> 
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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

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I got all of them after lots of sighted help.  I think I can do it alone next 
time.
On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> Go to the iTunes store on your computer, then go to the search box and type 
> in how to be blind.
> On 10 Aug 2012, at 18:29, Mary Scott  wrote:
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>> I went to the AP Store and I can not find my way to an edit field so that I 
>> can type in the podcast name.  Mel  
>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, go into iTunes, and go to the iTunes store, enter how to be blind into 
>>> the search box, you will then see a podcast listed with that title.  You 
>>> will be able to play the podcasts from there and also subscribe to Mike's 
>>> feeds. 
>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 16:20, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I do not have an iPPhone yet.  What to do instead?
>>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Chris Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You can find these podcasts on iBlink Radio app for the iPhone
>>>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:39, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I 
>>>>>> can't get to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way to 
>>>>>> bypass the actual podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO question 
>>>>>> now.  Grin.  Mel
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>> First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has 
>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might need 
>>>>>>> a smile.
>>>>>>> I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is 
>>>>>>> called 20 Reasons why being blind is great.
>>>>>>> If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and 
>>>>>>> give it a listen. Enjoy!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is the link
>>>>>>> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

[Mary Scott]

I do need a lot of hand holding and I am sorry about that.  I don't know why I 
could not find the search field in iTunes.  I know all this is second nature to 
most of you but to a post menopausal woman with a relatively new Mac, I feel 
quite bold to attempt any of this.  Please please be patient with me or direct 
me to a list where real newbies can ask questions.  Mel
On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> Go to the iTunes store on your computer, then go to the search box and type 
> in how to be blind.
> On 10 Aug 2012, at 18:29, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I went to the AP Store and I can not find my way to an edit field so that I 
>> can type in the podcast name.  Mel  
>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, go into iTunes, and go to the iTunes store, enter how to be blind into 
>>> the search box, you will then see a podcast listed with that title.  You 
>>> will be able to play the podcasts from there and also subscribe to Mike's 
>>> feeds. 
>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 16:20, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I do not have an iPPhone yet.  What to do instead?
>>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Chris Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You can find these podcasts on iBlink Radio app for the iPhone
>>>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:39, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I 
>>>>>> can't get to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way to 
>>>>>> bypass the actual podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO question 
>>>>>> now.  Grin.  Mel
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>> First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has 
>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might need 
>>>>>>> a smile.
>>>>>>> I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is 
>>>>>>> called 20 Reasons why being blind is great.
>>>>>>> If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and 
>>>>>>> give it a listen. Enjoy!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is the link
>>>>>>> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
>>>>>>> 
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Re: 20 reasons why being blind is great

[Mary Scott]

Thank you, this is very helpful.
On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> All newbies welcome here, and there is nothing wrong with needing a bit of 
> hand holding.  We all have to start somewhere.
> 
> When you interact with the source list, find the iTunes Store, then press 
> option + command + f to take you to the search box, enter how to be blind and 
> hit the return key. bring up the rotor by pressing VO + U, select headings, 
> and you will find a heading for podcasts.  You should see it is the first 
> entry under there.
> 
> Failing that, just click on this link which should hopefully take you 
> straight there:
> 
> http://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/how-to-be-blind/id539823098
> 
> 
> Chris 
> 
> 
> On 10 Aug 2012, at 21:58, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I do need a lot of hand holding and I am sorry about that.  I don't know why 
>> I could not find the search field in iTunes.  I know all this is second 
>> nature to most of you but to a post menopausal woman with a relatively new 
>> Mac, I feel quite bold to attempt any of this.  Please please be patient 
>> with me or direct me to a list where real newbies can ask questions.  Mel
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> Go to the iTunes store on your computer, then go to the search box and type 
>>> in how to be blind.
>>> On 10 Aug 2012, at 18:29, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I went to the AP Store and I can not find my way to an edit field so that 
>>>> I can type in the podcast name.  Mel  
>>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Chris Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, go into iTunes, and go to the iTunes store, enter how to be blind 
>>>>> into the search box, you will then see a podcast listed with that title.  
>>>>> You will be able to play the podcasts from there and also subscribe to 
>>>>> Mike's feeds. 
>>>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 16:20, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not have an iPPhone yet.  What to do instead?
>>>>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Chris Moore  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can find these podcasts on iBlink Radio app for the iPhone
>>>>>>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:39, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This was great and I want to listen to more of these podcasts but I 
>>>>>>>> can't get to them through the link given.  Is there a command or way 
>>>>>>>> to bypass the actual podcast to get to the others?  This is a VO 
>>>>>>>> question now.  Grin.  Mel
>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Blinkin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>   First of all I hope I don't get in trouble since this has 
>>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with technology but I thought yawl might 
>>>>>>>>> need a smile.
>>>>>>>>>   I just published another How to be Blind Podcast and it is 
>>>>>>>>> called 20 Reasons why being blind is great.
>>>>>>>>>   If you need a break from your day take a handful of minutes and 
>>>>>>>>> give it a listen. Enjoy!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here is the link
>>>>>>>>> http://htb2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/episode-20-why-being-blind-is-great.mp3
>>>>>>>>> 
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Toggle reader command

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In Safari, I see the toggle reader choice but I don't know how to make it work. 
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Please explain disclosure triangles

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I do not understand disclosure triangles.  Are they important for me to work 
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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

[Mary Scott]

I do not hear the word "plus" or "minus".  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
silly question.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
> 
> On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
>> like, "You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
>> this balloon for more details." Except that it's nothing like that because 
>> these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
>> 
>> 
>>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>  • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>  • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>  • My home page:
>>  • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>> 
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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

[Mary Scott]

This is so super.  Thank you.  My son spent time with me today and helped me so 
much.  I discovered that my biggest issue with opening files is that I did not 
realize how long I had to wait before the file actually opened.  I tend to be 
impatient and my son just kept telling me to wait and let the computer do what 
it needs to do.  So if there are impatient souls out there, waiting is good 
advice.He also fixed my iTunes by completely recreating it.  It was very 
messed up.  It was not me
.  I was beginning to think I was a moron.  Mel  On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:08 AM, 
Chris Blouch  wrote:

> If you are in the finder in list view each folder will read
> 
> FolderName Collapsed
> 
> or
> 
> FolderName Expanded
> 
> You can use plain old up/down to go up and down the tree and then right left 
> to expand/collapse the folder. Once expanded, up/down will include all the 
> child files/folders. If you are focused on a child and hit left it will jump 
> you back to the parent. If you are on the parent and hit left again it will 
> collapse. If you have a child folder expanded and you collapse its parent, if 
> you later re-expand the parent the child folder will also still be expanded. 
> In other words it puts things back the way you left them. As you probably 
> noticed, when you expand a folder it tells you how many items were revealed 
> (added) to the list.
> 
> Tree views are a great way to organize information so you can drill down 
> quickly to the stuff you care about and ignore the rest. Note that all this 
> arrowing around in trees is not specific to voiceover so anyone can do the 
> same keyboard navigation.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/14/12 9:35 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>> I do not hear the word "plus" or "minus".  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
>> silly question.
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
>>> 
>>> On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>>>> It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
>>>> like, "You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
>>>> this balloon for more details." Except that it's nothing like that because 
>>>> these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>>>  • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>>>  • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>>>  • My home page:
>>>>  • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>>> 
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Re: reading PDFs?

[Mary Scott]

How do I get Stanza?  Mel  
On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience 
> I've had with Stanza before writing this message.
> 
> Les
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use Stanza to read PDFs
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it 
>>> was painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow 
>>> key reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or 
>>> skipped entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app 
>>> do people prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather a 
>>> free solution if at all possible. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>>> 
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Re: materials for the mac

[Mary Scott]

Wow!  This is the best list I have seen.  I have been wanting this list so 
much.  Thank you.  Mel  
On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:14 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
 wrote:

> Voice over help
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html
> 
> Switch 101 apple
> http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/
> 
> David woodbrige  has done some great pod cast on Lion and Mountain Lion.
> Apple and other accessible technology pod cast
> Awesome pod cast found in iTunes.
> He also has pod cast on apple vis and was recently on Dr. Robert Carter's 
> Tech Doctor Pod cast.
> 
> 
> Earl harris at Triumph Technology has a workbook and tutorial for mac lion. 
> $75 on CD also comes in Braille
> http://www.attriumph.com
> 
> Some members here on the list offer tutoring and instruction.
> 
> 
> Apple Vis pod cast is a great resource
> great reviews, pod cast and help
> http://www.applevis.com/apps
> 
> Serotalk podcast is excellent to learn and keep up with technology.
> www.serotalk.com
> They also have triple click home and its wonderful for info on apple 
> The host on both pod cast do a great job
> http://tripleclickhome.com
> 
> 
> The Tech Doctor Pod cast is also very very good and great to learn and keep 
> up with apple and technology.
> Dr. Robert Carter is the host and does a fabulous job.
> http://www.dr-carter.com
> 
> apple key board short cuts lion
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
> 
> Hope some of these links help you.
> I recently changed to all apple products and am very very please.
> way less crashing and so much more stable. this list is a wonderful resource 
> full of people willing and ready to help and answer questions.
> I have had a learning curve but was totally just thrown into learning because 
> my windows machines died.
> 
> Take control has Ebooks on Lion and Mountain Lion and other aspects of apple.
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com
> 
> 
> There is a pod cast called mac for the blind that looks like it has good 
> tutorials as well that I have downloaded and will be listening to.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope some of the above info helps.
> There are many more great pod cast and resources.
> Hope this helps you get started.
> Oh and you may be able to search the archives of this list for more resources 
> and info.
> 
> Laura Ann 
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RSS Question

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I have attempted to subscribe to a podcast that says I need a RSS Reader.  I 
followed the link to the AP store but I don't have a clue what is a good one to 
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Messages

[Mary Scott]

I know this has been answered.  Sorry.  I just watched the podcast on Applevis 
about sending messages to IOS devices with the Messages Ap.  It seemed so easy 
but I can't locate the edit box to write a message nor can I find a send 
button.  Do I need to download something to make it work and is there a more 
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Messages again

[Mary Scott]

Is it correct that I can only use Messages when the recipient has an iPhone?  I 
got all excited about it and then I realized very few of contacts are 
registered with iMessage.  So, my sons with Android phones can not get my 
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Help with the Find command

[Mary Scott]

Hi all,  I managed to delete the wonderful e-mail with all the links to support 
pages and podcasts.  I tried to use VO f and I can't find the results to my 
search.  I searched the subject line "Materials".  Will somebody tell me what I 
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Bookshare, Unarchiver, after ML

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I just tried opening a Bookshare book with the Unarchiver.  This is the first I 
have tried after installin ML.  I use The Bicter Reader Stream.  Any ideas what 
to do?  Mel 

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Re: Bookshare, Unarchiver, after ML

[Mary Scott]

How exactly do I get to the xml files and does this work with Daisy? Do I just 
ipen the zip file with Safari?  Mel 
On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Have you tried seeking the .xml file and opening it in Safari? That's how I 
> read it on the Mac. Haven't touched my Victor Stream since the Mac, and my 
> iPHone with Read2go. I would suspect the transfer to the data card works the 
> same way, though.
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>> I just tried opening a Bookshare book with the Unarchiver.  This is the 
>> first I have tried after installin ML.  I use The Bicter Reader Stream.  Any 
>> ideas what to do?  Mel 
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Re: Bookshare, Unarchiver, after ML

[Mary Scott]

Thanks, I'll try this right away.  I am still hoping to get it on my Stream 
because I love it so. 
On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> There are a number of ways I have done this:
> 1. Typically, the titles are partial titles with the extensions, and the 
> slightest differentiation in spelling will not find them for you, so you 
> could use spotlight, finder, etc., to search for files with the extension 
> .xml -- typically, the most recent one will show first.
> 2. Go into whatever folder you have the book in, and look for it. If the .xml 
> file isn't there, open the folder with the book's title, and arrow down until 
> you find the .xml file. Hitting enter should open Safari and place you at the 
> top with the Bookshare notice.
> 3. Of course, if you know the truncated title, write that with the .xml 
> extension in spotlight, and it should come up.
> I am sure there are more tech-savvy ways to do this, but these are what work 
> for me. 
> I've noticed that over the past year or so, newly uploaded books which I 
> download from Bookshare have an XML file available, and I don't have to run 
> unarchiver or put in my password. With some older books, I still have to. I 
> never know which will be the case until I've downloaded a book and attempted 
> to open it.
> Christine
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> How exactly do I get to the xml files and does this work with Daisy? Do I 
>> just ipen the zip file with Safari?  Mel 
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
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>>> Have you tried seeking the .xml file and opening it in Safari? That's how I 
>>> read it on the Mac. Haven't touched my Victor Stream since the Mac, and my 
>>> iPHone with Read2go. I would suspect the transfer to the data card works 
>>> the same way, though.
>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I just tried opening a Bookshare book with the Unarchiver.  This is the 
>>>> first I have tried after installin ML.  I use The Bicter Reader Stream.  
>>>> Any ideas what to do?  Mel 
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Re: Bookshare, Unarchiver, after ML

[Mary Scott]

I have been thinking of a new Stream but you are saying that read your books 
from your iPhone.  I read a huge amount in cars on trips, in bed at night etc.  
I love having my little Stream but if the phone can handle it, maybe i'll do 
that when I get my phone.  I am waiting for the newest phone to come out.  What 
do people think?  Mel 
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> Have you tried seeking the .xml file and opening it in Safari? That's how I 
> read it on the Mac. Haven't touched my Victor Stream since the Mac, and my 
> iPHone with Read2go. I would suspect the transfer to the data card works the 
> same way, though.
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I just tried opening a Bookshare book with the Unarchiver.  This is the 
>> first I have tried after installin ML.  I use The Bicter Reader Stream.  Any 
>> ideas what to do?  Mel 
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Re: Bookshare, Unarchiver, after ML

[Mary Scott]

I solved the problem.  It turns out that I can not unzip books downloaded 
previous to ML.  The books I just downloaded opened just fine, opened, and 
transferred to the Stream like a charm.  I am so relieved.  
On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> There are a number of ways I have done this:
> 1. Typically, the titles are partial titles with the extensions, and the 
> slightest differentiation in spelling will not find them for you, so you 
> could use spotlight, finder, etc., to search for files with the extension 
> .xml -- typically, the most recent one will show first.
> 2. Go into whatever folder you have the book in, and look for it. If the .xml 
> file isn't there, open the folder with the book's title, and arrow down until 
> you find the .xml file. Hitting enter should open Safari and place you at the 
> top with the Bookshare notice.
> 3. Of course, if you know the truncated title, write that with the .xml 
> extension in spotlight, and it should come up.
> I am sure there are more tech-savvy ways to do this, but these are what work 
> for me. 
> I've noticed that over the past year or so, newly uploaded books which I 
> download from Bookshare have an XML file available, and I don't have to run 
> unarchiver or put in my password. With some older books, I still have to. I 
> never know which will be the case until I've downloaded a book and attempted 
> to open it.
> Christine
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> How exactly do I get to the xml files and does this work with Daisy? Do I 
>> just ipen the zip file with Safari?  Mel 
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried seeking the .xml file and opening it in Safari? That's how I 
>>> read it on the Mac. Haven't touched my Victor Stream since the Mac, and my 
>>> iPHone with Read2go. I would suspect the transfer to the data card works 
>>> the same way, though.
>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I just tried opening a Bookshare book with the Unarchiver.  This is the 
>>>> first I have tried after installin ML.  I use The Bicter Reader Stream.  
>>>> Any ideas what to do?  Mel 
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Mouse right click

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Hi all, My sighted helpers are often asking me, "How do I right click with VO?" 
 Will somebody tell me the correct answer?  Mel  

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Re: Mouse right click

[Mary Scott]

Beautiful.  Thanks.  So please tell me in what situations is a right mouse 
click needed?  
On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:

> VO does not have a keystroke assigned to Right Mouse Click.
> However, you can issue the command by VO H H, then type the word "right". 
> Pressing enter on the command in the help commands list will invoke the 
> command.
> 
> Otherwise, if you really need it, you can assign the command to one of your 
> commanders.
> 
> Wow, I don't think I ever wrote the word command so many times. :)
> 
> HTH. 
> Rodney
> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:31 PM, agent086b  wrote:
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>> Hi, probably I am wrong as I don't have my Mac yet.
>> I think I read
>> 
>> vo-shift- and space twice quickly
>> Max.
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Mouse right click
>> From: Alex Hall 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:22:37 -0400
>>> Most of the time, vo-shift-m does the trick. If you need to simulate
>>> an actual right click, or ctrl-click, you can do it. Unfortunately, I
>>> don't remember the exact keystroke for this, but key describer should
>>> help when you consider that vo-shift-space is a left click.
>>> 
>>> On 8/21/12, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>>> Hi all, My sighted helpers are often asking me, "How do I right click with
>>>> VO?"  Will somebody tell me the correct answer?  Mel
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Re: there's an update to Mountain Lion available

[Mary Scott]

I am a bit shy about doing this.  Wil somebody give me explicit instructions 
please?  Mel  
On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> The subject says it all. Apple just pushed 10.8.1, so go get it. I
> haven't yet, and the release notes say nothing about vo fixes, but
> when have they ever? Hopefully this will fix some of the oddities and
> bugs we have seen in 10.8.
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Re: there's an update to Mountain Lion available

[Mary Scott]

I did it!  So proud.  Grin
On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Easy as can be.
> 
> 1.  Open the Apple menu.
> 
> 2.  click on "software updates".
> 
> 3.  Now, wait till the table appears with the new update and press the 
> install button.
> 
> 4.  Press the button that says "Agree" when the license agreement comes up.
> 
> A restart will be required for this update.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I am a bit shy about doing this.  Wil somebody give me explicit instructions 
>> please?  Mel  
>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> The subject says it all. Apple just pushed 10.8.1, so go get it. I
>>> haven't yet, and the release notes say nothing about vo fixes, but
>>> when have they ever? Hopefully this will fix some of the oddities and
>>> bugs we have seen in 10.8.
>>> 
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Re: there's an update to Mountain Lion available

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HiHi, After the update, Alex has stopped telling me what I am typing.  He is 
not talking now.  I checked the verbosity rotor and it is okay.  Any ideas how 
to fix this?  Mel 
On Aug 23, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Unfortunately no such external drive is installed.
> 
> Makes me wonder if I should not just re-install...
> Thanks for keeping those suggestions comig. Smile.
> Ioana
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> wrote:
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>> No, you shouldn't see that unless you have signed into a different App Store 
>> account, with a different ID, than the one from which you installed MOuntain 
>> Lion in the place.  Make sure that you're logged in under the same ID as 
>> your Mountain Lion install, and you then shouldn't see that error message.
>> 
>> 
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Re: there's an update to Mountain Lion available

[Mary Scott]

I did shut down everything again and it did correct the problem.  My middle 
name is impatience.  Mel  
On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Check key echo under vo utility, verbosity, keyboard (I think). Also,
> as basic as it sounds, did you try a restart? I know the mac reboots
> for the install, but sometimes an additional reboot after the newly
> installed OS is up and running can help.
> 
> On 8/23/12, Mary Scott  wrote:
>> HiHi, After the update, Alex has stopped telling me what I am typing.  He is
>> not talking now.  I checked the verbosity rotor and it is okay.  Any ideas
>> how to fix this?  Mel
>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately no such external drive is installed.
>>> 
>>> Makes me wonder if I should not just re-install...
>>> Thanks for keeping those suggestions comig. Smile.
>>> Ioana
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No, you shouldn't see that unless you have signed into a different App
>>>> Store account, with a different ID, than the one from which you installed
>>>> MOuntain Lion in the place.  Make sure that you're logged in under the
>>>> same ID as your Mountain Lion install, and you then shouldn't see that
>>>> error message.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>>> • My home page:
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Wand Scanner?

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Hi all,  I am with a friend who would like to know if there is such thing as a 
wand scanner that can be used with the MacBook..  Mel

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Journals for Mac

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, I want a journal app for my computer that is simple.  Does anyone know 
of one?  Mel  

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Virus invasion

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, If the Apple store people say you need to pay $200 to wipe your 
computer clean of viruses that have invaded everything, does that make sense?  
Is there another way?

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xls. files

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Hi all, I received an xls. file from my music directer with all the songs in 
our list.  Is there a way to open this?  I do hope so.  Mel  

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Re: Caps Lock to VO keys and more

[Mary Scott]

So what does happen when you need the caps lock?
On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hello listers,
> 
> I have long wanted the VO keys "Control Option"  to be available as the caps 
> lock key.  this would allow one finger to hold down the keys.  Also, the 
> location of the Caps Lock key is ideal for reaching many keys that need to be 
> pressed with the Voice Over keys.
> 
> Using the caps lock key as the VO modifier would dramatically reduce the 
> times I find my fingers contorted trying to press multiple keys all over the 
> keyboard.  
> 
> For those of us who type with our fingers on the home row this allows us to 
> use the VO modifier while keeping our hands ready to continue typing.
> 
> I'm pleased to let you know that this is now possible.  Thanks to Takayama 
> Fumihiko, the developer of KeyRemap4Macbook.  this application in conjunction 
> with another application by the same developer allows a Mac user to remap the 
> caps lock key as the "Control and Option" keys pressed together.
> 
> The other application is called PCKeyboardHack.  These two apps and a file 
> created for VO users makes this possible.
> 
> Although a write up of this process would probably be more efficient
> for most of us, that is not my strength.  Instead, I have provided a link 
> below to a podcast that walks through the set up.
> 
> In addition below are links needed to obtain the applications and the 
> specially constructed xml file.
> 
> Finally, I have provided links to some additional help documentation 
> 
> The application developer responded to my request for this capability within 
> hours of my written request.  I have also been asked to contact again if 
> there are any other ways the application can help blind users.
> 
> This was such a nice response.  I'm still amazed as I have written to Apple 
> asking for this every few months or so, only getting back the standard 
> answer,"thank you for your suggestion." .
> 
> I'm so grateful to now have this ability. 
> 
> Also, please be aware that this application can also remap other keys.  For 
> example you could make the command key on the right of your space bar a 
> Control key giving you another set of Voice Over Keys.
> KeyRemap4Macbook also creates a num pad on your regular keyboard.  this makes 
> it possible to use num pad commander on a standard keyboard.  
> 
> This is covered in a excellent post by Ester on the Mac-Access.net list. 
> 
> One gentle reminder.  This is donation ware so if you use this as much as I 
> do please support this developer.  and, as we come up with more ways this 
> application can help and as the OS changes we will want this developer to 
> support us.
> 
>   This was the most challenging podcast I have created so far.  If you 
> see a need for revision please let me know. 
> 
> I will be submitting this podcast to applevis.com .  In the meantime here is 
> a dropbox link 
> 
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5620907/KeyRemap4Macbook.mp3
> 
> Below are the links I give in the podcast and also the XML text you will need.
> 
>> 
>> Link to  KeyRemap4MacBook and PCKeyboardHack applications.
>> 
>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en
>> 
>> Link to instructions on changing the Caps Lock key to PC application key.  
>> the needed key code number is 110.
>> 
>> 
>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en
>> 
>> Link to   private.xml, that  changes PC Application Key to Control+Option.
>> 
>> https://github.com/tekezo/Files/blob/master/KeyRemap4MacBook/private.pc_application_to_controloption/private.xml
>> 
>> Link to instructions on how to use private.xml.
>> 
>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/document-private-xml.html
>> 
>> 
>> The Following is the text of the Private xml
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Change PC Application Key to Control+Option.
>>> private.pc_application_to_controloption
>>> --KeyToKey-- KeyCode::PC_APPLICATION, KeyCode::OPTION_L, 
>>> ModifierFlag::CONTROL_L
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>   
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Re: Caps Lock to VO keys and more

[Mary Scott]

Thank you so much.  I am now convinced to change it.  Mel  
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
> 
>   If you follow my podcast you will no longer have a caps lock key but 
> rather a very convenient Voice Over key.  If you want your caps lock back you 
> can either go to the extras menu in Mountain Lion for KeyRemaper4Macbook  and 
> press the preferences button and then you can either temporarily turn off the 
> key remap with a check box or uncheck it permanently.
> 
> For me this is a non issue as I almost never use the caps lock key and can 
> use the shift key when needed.  The advantage of having the caps lock act as 
> the voice over modifier key is infinitely more important to me.  I keep 
> finding ways why this works so well.  for example opening a disclosure 
> triangle is now so much easier.  I just holde the caps lock key down with my 
> left little finger and tap the \ key with my other little finger.  I never 
> take my hands off the home keys.  In the past my left hand had to go all the 
> way down to the Option Control keys on the left side completely stopping my 
> typing flow. 
> 
> I still have a lot of muscle memory that causes me to use the old VO Keys but 
> little by little I am increasing my speed by taking advantage of the caps 
> lock.  It is great!  another key I now use more often is vo w and VO w twice. 
>  This is the word and the spelling of a word.  with caps lock and w it is 
> fast and easy.  with standard vo keys on the bottom left I had to reach my 
> right hand way over to the w key, and this was quite a contortion just to 
> hear what word I was on, I don't need to do this any more.  I do it all with 
> my left hand never leaving the home row keys.
> 
> Hope this info helps.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> So what does happen when you need the caps lock?
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello listers,
>>> 
>>> I have long wanted the VO keys "Control Option"  to be available as the 
>>> caps lock key.  this would allow one finger to hold down the keys.  Also, 
>>> the location of the Caps Lock key is ideal for reaching many keys that need 
>>> to be pressed with the Voice Over keys.
>>> 
>>> Using the caps lock key as the VO modifier would dramatically reduce the 
>>> times I find my fingers contorted trying to press multiple keys all over 
>>> the keyboard.  
>>> 
>>> For those of us who type with our fingers on the home row this allows us to 
>>> use the VO modifier while keeping our hands ready to continue typing.
>>> 
>>> I'm pleased to let you know that this is now possible.  Thanks to Takayama 
>>> Fumihiko, the developer of KeyRemap4Macbook.  this application in 
>>> conjunction with another application by the same developer allows a Mac 
>>> user to remap the caps lock key as the "Control and Option" keys pressed 
>>> together.
>>> 
>>> The other application is called PCKeyboardHack.  These two apps and a file 
>>> created for VO users makes this possible.
>>> 
>>> Although a write up of this process would probably be more efficient
>>> for most of us, that is not my strength.  Instead, I have provided a link 
>>> below to a podcast that walks through the set up.
>>> 
>>> In addition below are links needed to obtain the applications and the 
>>> specially constructed xml file.
>>> 
>>> Finally, I have provided links to some additional help documentation 
>>> 
>>> The application developer responded to my request for this capability 
>>> within hours of my written request.  I have also been asked to contact 
>>> again if there are any other ways the application can help blind users.
>>> 
>>> This was such a nice response.  I'm still amazed as I have written to Apple 
>>> asking for this every few months or so, only getting back the standard 
>>> answer,"thank you for your suggestion." .
>>> 
>>> I'm so grateful to now have this ability. 
>>> 
>>> Also, please be aware that this application can also remap other keys.  For 
>>> example you could make the command key on the right of your space bar a 
>>> Control key giving you another set of Voice Over Keys.
>>> KeyRemap4Macbook also creates a num pad on your regular keyboard.  this 
>>> makes it possible to use num pad commander on a standard keyboard.  
>>> 
>>> This is covered in a excellent post by Ester on th

Re: pandora solutions?

[Mary Scott]

I use Pandora all the time for music for massage.  I use the item chooser to 
find what I want.  It works but it is frustrating at times.
On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have Piano Pub for pandora, but it doesn't seem to work on ML. So, what 
> else do people use for Pandora? I heard there are keyboard shortcuts on the 
> website, but what are they and do they work iwth vo on Safari? Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Mail Attachments problem

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Hi all, When I go to open an attachment in Mail, I get a message saying, ""Mail 
application closed unexpectedly."  It prompts me then to report,  or reopen.  I 
did download Stanza a while back but these are not pdf. files I am trying to 
look at.  Mel  

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Mail again

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, Now Mail is no longer saying Unread.  It says Image instead.  Why do 
things change without me telling it to?  What to do about this?  Mel

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iPhone again

[Mary Scott]

I would really like to know of some podcasts or other tutorials on the iPhone 
so I can start off fast with it.  Any ideas?  Mel  

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iPhone

[Mary Scott]

I just spoke with the ATnT store and the guy there said the iPhone 4 is just as 
good as the new one coming out and that I should go ahead and get the old one.  
Does anyone have any knowledge about this?  Does he know what he is talking 
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Updating Adobe Flash Player

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I need to update my flash player How do I do this?

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Re: just learned something; making •points on the mac

[Mary Scott]

This is so cool.  Thank you.  I have wondered about these.  Mel  
On Sep 9, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Option key is actually really useful, there are all kinds of characters 
> you can type all with the addition of the Option key.  Some examples are 
> below:
> 
> Option+Less than (<) gives you less than or equals
> Option+greater than (>) gives you greater than or equals
> Option+slash (the forward slash) gives you a divided by symbol
> Option+0 gives you a degree sign
> Option+equals sign gives you  not equals sign
> Option+p gives you pi (π)
> Option+4 gives you the cents sign
> Option+g gives you the Copyright sign
> Option+1 gives you the upside down exclamation like the one in the singer 
> Pink (P¡nk)
> Option+8 gives you the bullet as mentioned
> 
> For other languages such as French, you use the following:
> 
> Option+e then press the "e" a second time gives you é (e with acute accent)
> Option+`(accent key to the left of the number 1) followed by "e" gives you è 
> ("e" with accent grav)
> Do the same but use the letter "a" to get à.
> Option+c gives you ç ("c" cedilla)
> 
> Play with it and you'll find lots of other mappings as well.  Most you'll 
> never need but they're fun anyway.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-09, at 1:59 PM, Michael Babcock  
> wrote:
> 
>> For those of you looking to make a bullet point on the Mac using the 
>> keyboard, if you use a option +8, you can make a bullet. I'm example of this 
>> is below.
>> •I figured that someone might enjoy this knowledge. I needed it for an 
>> assignment.
>> 
>> Michael Babcock, Assistive Technology And Braille Instructor
>> 
>> Alaska Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>> 
>> Equipping Alaskans for success
>> 
>> Phone: 907-771-4303
>> 
>> fax 907.248.7517
>> www.alaskabvi.org
>> 
>>  michael.babcoc...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: My New Blog Post

[Mary Scott]

Hi Scott,  I tried pressing VO space on toggle reader in the tool bar.  It said 
dimmed and I could not get it to do anything.  I also tried command shift r and 
that did not work either.  What might be wrong?  I tried it on your website.  
Mel  
On Sep 10, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> Hello, I have posted a new article to our website and I thought some of you 
> might like to take a look at it.  If you do read it, would you be so kind as 
> to leave me a comment so that I can get an idea of who is reading my blog 
> posts, also if you haven't yet liked our Facebook page, or followed us on 
> Twitter, or signed up for our monthly newsletter you can do this from our 
> website as well.
> 
> Thank you,
> Scott Rumery
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Fedora Outlier LLC 
>> Subject: Cleaning Up The Clutter
>> Date: September 10, 2012 1:20:58 PM EDT
>> To: excelle...@fedoraoutlier.com
>> Reply-To: Fedora Outlier LLC 
>> 
>> Fedora Outlier LLC has posted a new item, 'Cleaning Up The Clutter'
>> 
>> As a blind computer user I get very frustrated with all of the clutter of 
>> some
>> websites on the Internet. It is because of this frustration that today I 
>> want to
>> talk to you about a great feature on Mountain Lion and iOS. The name of this
>> feature is SafariReader and it is terrific!
>> 
>> You may view the latest post at
>> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/cleaning-up-the-clutter/
>> 
>> You received this e-mail because you asked to be notified when new updates 
>> are
>> posted.
>> Best regards,
>> Fedora Outlier LLC
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>> 
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VO and Linked In

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, I keep getting invitations for Linkedin.  I think it would be good for 
me proffesionally but does it work well with VO?  Does anyone here have 
experience with it?  Mel  

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Signitures again

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I have not been successful at actually getting the signature to show up at the 
bottom of an e-mail.  The pop up button always says none checked.  Is there a 
command I need to make it happen?  Mel 

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Re: Signitures again

[Mary Scott]

What is the correct thing to do when everything says "busy" over and over?  I 
held down the start key but my son says that is not the best thing to do.  What 
should I have done?  Oh, and the Help menu was not helpful.  Mel  
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Donovan Osborn  wrote:

> I had the same problem. I eventually gave up on it. And the next day I was 
> able to do it. Maybe you have to restart. It dozen't sound like it should 
> matter. But thats the only thing I can think that I did that could of made a 
> difference. 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Donovan Osborn
> donovan303...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> I have not been successful at actually getting the signature to show up at 
>> the bottom of an e-mail.  The pop up button always says none checked.  Is 
>> there a command I need to make it happen?  Mel 
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Re: Signitures again

[Mary Scott]

No problem.  It didn't help anyway.  Mel 
On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I wanted to apologize to the list. My previous message on this thread said 
> that you had to put signatures in the "all accounts" item, but I had it 
> backwards. As was posted today, you actually must put them in the active 
> account as the "all signatures" option does not work properly. Sorry for the 
> misinformation.
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Donovan Osborn  wrote:
> 
>> I had the same problem. I eventually gave up on it. And the next day I was 
>> able to do it. Maybe you have to restart. It dozen't sound like it should 
>> matter. But thats the only thing I can think that I did that could of made a 
>> difference. 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Donovan Osborn
>> donovan303...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not been successful at actually getting the signature to show up at 
>>> the bottom of an e-mail.  The pop up button always says none checked.  Is 
>>> there a command I need to make it happen?  Mel 
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Update Question

[Mary Scott]

Hi all, I am at Guide Dog School.  I just got notified by my computer that an 
OS 10 has an update Do you advise that I go ahead with it or is it risky since 
there is nobody here to troubleshoot?  Is it much better than what  the last 
update?  Mel  

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DVD Player Again

[Mary Scott]

My yoga disk is in my computer and it is stuck saying "busy" no matter what I 
do.  It won't eject or quit.  What to do?  Mel 

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Re: DVD Player Again

[Mary Scott]

What is and where is the trackpad button?  I have the DVD out now and I am 
afraid to put it back it in.  Tell me what you mean by trackpad button please.  
Mel  
On Sep 27, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you can Shutdown your Mac, do so.  Then when you start it up again, hold 
> down the trackpad button while the startup chime is sounding.  Hold it down 
> until the DVD ejects, usually it ends up taking about 5 seconds.  If it does 
> not eject in a reasonable amount of time, release the mouse/trackpad button, 
> let it start up and then try again.  Sometimes, if you are too quick (before 
> the chime) or too late after the chime, it will not eject.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-27, at 1:59 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> My yoga disk is in my computer and it is stuck saying "busy" no matter what 
>> I do.  It won't eject or quit.  What to do?  Mel 
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Re: DVD Player Again

[Mary Scott]

Thank you very much.  After much swearing and cajoling, I have it working 
great.  Mel 
On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The entire Trackpad is also the button.  Simply press firmly on the Trackpad 
> and you'll feel a kind of click as it goes down and it click again as it 
> comes back up.  On older Mac laptops and most PCs there was a separate 
> button(s) for mouse actions, the Mac has made it a part of the actual 
> Trackpad for quite a while now.  Many VO users don't realize it as we don't 
> really need to press down on the Trackpad for mouse actions, we just tap or 
> swipe for our needs.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-29, at 6:53 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
> 
>> What is and where is the trackpad button?  I have the DVD out now and I am 
>> afraid to put it back it in.  Tell me what you mean by trackpad button 
>> please.  Mel  
>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you can Shutdown your Mac, do so.  Then when you start it up again, hold 
>>> down the trackpad button while the startup chime is sounding.  Hold it down 
>>> until the DVD ejects, usually it ends up taking about 5 seconds.  If it 
>>> does not eject in a reasonable amount of time, release the mouse/trackpad 
>>> button, let it start up and then try again.  Sometimes, if you are too 
>>> quick (before the chime) or too late after the chime, it will not eject.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-27, at 1:59 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My yoga disk is in my computer and it is stuck saying "busy" no matter 
>>>> what I do.  It won't eject or quit.  What to do?  Mel 
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VoiceBook advancing pages

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I can not figure out how to move through pages inFB using VoiceBook.  It seems 
to be stuck.  Mel 

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VIP question

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What exactly happens if you select to add to VIPs?  It sounds like a good idea 
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Best GPS for me?

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Hi all,  I just got my first iPhone.  I want to download blind useful apps.  I 
want a GPS for walking around my town mostly and knowing what is around me.  
Can anyone give an idea of what I should get?  I also want a money reader, and 
color detecter.   Mel  

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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I just downloaded Colorviser.  I don't know how towork it but I will figure it 
out.  If anybody has any tips, I would love to hear.  Mel  
On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> For money identification, check out look tell money identifier, I think 
> that's what it's called. For GPS, check out sendero look around and ariadne 
> GPS, I may not be spelling that right. For GPS navigation, there are several 
> main stream choices, my favorite is motionx GPS
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>> Hi all,  I just got my first iPhone.  I want to download blind useful apps.  
>> I want a GPS for walking around my town mostly and knowing what is around 
>> me.  Can anyone give an idea of what I should get?  I also want a money 
>> reader, and color detecter.   Mel  
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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Mary Scott]

GPS apps seem to be pretty expensive so I am still struggling to decide which 
one.  Are there ever trials before buying?  I am also interested in a bar code 
reader.  Any ideas? Mel and Plato,new dog
On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> One thing about navigon, unless they have changed this, entering addresses is 
> much more complicated than it needs to be. You must go through several 
> screens, the first for the state, then the city, and finally the street and 
> house number. With motionx GPS, just type in the address on one screen and 
> off you go.
> On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
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>> Hi Marry,
>> I use a combo of Navigon and Sendero Look around.
>> 
>> Becky and C
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,  I just got my first iPhone.  I want to download blind useful apps. 
>>>  I want a GPS for walking around my town mostly and knowing what is around 
>>> me.  Can anyone give an idea of what I should get?  I also want a money 
>>> reader, and color detecter.   Mel  
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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Mary Scott]

Thank you so much.  This is the info I wanted.  I am now convinced to get this 
app.  Sounds like exactly what I want.  Mel 
On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Vivianna  wrote:

> OK, i just want to say that it is wonderful to have the developer of this app 
> right here on the list.
> thank you so much for taking the time to tell us about your app.  it sounds 
> like something that i have been looking for and, i will be purchasing it 
> today.
> Vivianna
> 
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa  
> wrote:
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>> Hello! I'm developer of BlindSquare. There is no try-and-buy option
>> since TTS costs always. You can still use Apple's returning policies,
>> there is always possibility to return app and get money back.
>> 
>> About what BlindSquare does: It reports automatically street addresses
>> while you walk, next street crossing, automatic pedometer reading
>> ("you have walked 700 meters in 7 minutes") and reporting of nearby
>> places by categories (it automatically picks most popular places
>> within selected radius, based on foursquare check-ins). This all
>> happens just by launching the app so it takes no time to start using
>> the app, even if you don't use FourSquare yourself.
>> 
>> If you take phone out of the pocket, you can search categories, set
>> reporting certain category on/off, "look around" (you get information
>> what kind of places and what street crossings are in different
>> directions), search with free search term, view information of places
>> (name, address, phone number, www-site, twitter feed), start
>> navigation to the place or do foursquare check-in.
>> 
>> When you jump into the bus, BlindSquare  automatically notices it and
>> starts reporting street crossing while bus is making a turn so you can
>> keep track where you are.
>> 
>> You can also add placemarks for yourself. They are synced to iCloud so
>> if you have several devices (for example iPad + iPhone), you always
>> get informed when you get near that place. Some users use this to give
>> warning about bus stop they need to get off.
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Color visor

[Mary Scott]

Okay, I am frustrated.  I don't understand this app.  I just want to know the 
color of the thing I am pointing at.  It chatters on about all kinds of colors  
How am I supposed to know what the correct color is?  I seems as though as 
though a sighted person needs to to tell which is the correct color.  That is 
not very helpful.  I am reading the help information but it is still very 
confusing.  Can somebody explain this app to me and what I can and can not do 
with it?  Is it really for blind people?  Mel  

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