Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

2024-04-06 Thread SBR Gmail 
Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. 
https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP
Sree


> On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello,
> 
> I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really hard 
> to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught to 
> say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there a 
> tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make use 
> of its features without throwing it out of the window?
> 
> Any suggestions would be welcome
> 
> Simon
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Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

2024-04-06 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this 
carefully.



> On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. 
> https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP 
> 
> Sree
> 
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really 
>> hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught 
>> to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there 
>> a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make 
>> use of its features without throwing it out of the window?
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be welcome
>> 
>> Simon 
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Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

2024-04-06 Thread Les Kriegler 
Andrew, while I use the remote on occasion, when I have to use it, I find the best way to use Apple TV is with a Bluetooth keyboard. I really think that’s your best bet. If you have a Bluetooth keyboard around, you might try and parrot and see if you can use it that way. I think he’ll have a much better experience.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 8:36 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this carefully.On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail  wrote:Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyPSreeOn Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hello,I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make use of its features without throwing it out of the window?Any suggestions would be welcomeSimon -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9BD24AA5-207F-4AAE-ACAE-CFA79BB72CF9%40me.com.

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Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

2024-04-06 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi again, Andrew,I have another suggestion for you. I believe Mystic access may have done a tutorial while a while back on using the Apple TV. I think they also covered it using the remote. So you may wish to check that out. Good luck.Les.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:Andrew, while I use the remote on occasion, when I have to use it, I find the best way to use Apple TV is with a Bluetooth keyboard. I really think that’s your best bet. If you have a Bluetooth keyboard around, you might try and parrot and see if you can use it that way. I think he’ll have a much better experience.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 8:36 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this carefully.On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail  wrote:Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyPSreeOn Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hello,I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make use of its features without throwing it out of the window?Any suggestions would be welcomeSimon -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9BD24AA5-207F-4AAE-ACAE-CFA79BB72CF9%40me.com.

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Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

2024-04-06 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Thanks, Les, it’s very kind of you to spend time to write.  I will check it 
out. 

Andrew ß

> On 6 Apr 2024, at 17:11, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi again, Andrew,
> 
> I have another suggestion for you. I believe Mystic access may have done a 
> tutorial while a while back on using the Apple TV. I think they also covered 
> it using the remote. So you may wish to check that out. Good luck.
> Les.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew, while I use the remote on occasion, when I have to use it, I find 
>> the best way to use Apple TV is with a Bluetooth keyboard. I really think 
>> that’s your best bet. If you have a Bluetooth keyboard around, you might try 
>> and parrot and see if you can use it that way. I think he’ll have a much 
>> better experience.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 8:36 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this 
>>> carefully.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. 
 https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP
 Sree
 
 
> On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really 
> hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am 
> distraught to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it 
> works.  Is there a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might 
> help you how to make use of its features without throwing it out of the 
> window?
> 
> Any suggestions would be welcome
> 
> Simon 
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Christina 
Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.

Christina

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have no explanation.
> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
> Perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Brad,
> 
> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane 
>> in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the 
>> divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>> showing.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Brad Snyder 
In my email quoted below, I clearly said horizontal splitter.- Brad -On Apr 6, 2024, at 17:59, Christina  wrote:Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.ChristinaOn Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:I have no explanation.Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.Perhaps that makes a difference.- Brad -


On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Brad,Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 45%.  Still running Big Sur.DonnaOn Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the preview pain will be gone.HTH.- Brad -On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still showing.  Any ideas?Thanks,Catherine

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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
That did work for me.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:59 PM, Christina  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
> That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
> Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
> 
> Christina
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no explanation.
>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
>> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
>>> pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
>>> the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>>> showing.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Christina 
You did later say horizontal splitter, but the first time you said vertacle 
splitter. No biggy, but here’s the copy/paste. 🙂 

>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
 

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my email quoted below, I clearly said horizontal splitter.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 6, 2024, at 17:59, Christina  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
> That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
> Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
> 
> Christina
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no explanation.
>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
>> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
>>> pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
>>> the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>>> showing.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Brad Snyder 
OK, you got me.
Congratulations.

- Brad -



On Apr 6, 2024, at 20:23, Christina  wrote:

You did later say horizontal splitter, but the first time you said vertacle 
splitter. No biggy, but here’s the copy/paste. 🙂 

>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
 

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my email quoted below, I clearly said horizontal splitter.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 6, 2024, at 17:59, Christina  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
> That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
> Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
> 
> Christina
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no explanation.
>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
>> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
>>> pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
>>> the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>>> showing.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
>>> 
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Christina 
Thanks so much for the reminder on how to get rid of the preview pane. I had 
forgotten how to do it and had made peace with it. I’ve actually made use of VO 
J to quickly read what’s in the preview pane, but it’s so nice to now be able 
to get rid of it when I don’t want messages marked as read.

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, you got me.
> Congratulations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2024, at 20:23, Christina  wrote:
> 
> You did later say horizontal splitter, but the first time you said vertacle 
> splitter. No biggy, but here’s the copy/paste. 🙂 
> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>  
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> In my email quoted below, I clearly said horizontal splitter.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 17:59, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical 
>> Splitter. That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to 
>> get the Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> Christina
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no explanation.
>>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brad,
>>> 
>>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase 
>>> to 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
 This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
 preview pain will be gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
 pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
 the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a 
 vertical splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview 
 pane is still showing.  Any ideas?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Dave Carlson 
Christina,
Horizontal vs. Vertical depends on how you have mail set up. If preview is at 
the bottom, then horizontal. If preview is to the right, then vertical.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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On Apr 6, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Christina  wrote:

Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.

Christina

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have no explanation.
> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
> Perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane 
>> in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the 
>> divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>> showing.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Brad Snyder 
Exactly.  :)

- Brad -



On Apr 6, 2024, at 21:09, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Christina,
Horizontal vs. Vertical depends on how you have mail set up. If preview is at 
the bottom, then horizontal. If preview is to the right, then vertical.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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On Apr 6, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Christina  wrote:

Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.

Christina

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have no explanation.
> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
> Perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane 
>> in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the 
>> divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>> showing.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Maurice A . Mines 
Thanks so much for the reminder on how to get rid of the preview pane. I had 
forgotten how to do it and had made peace with it. I’ve actually made use of VO 
J to quickly read what’s in the preview pane, but it’s so nice to now be able 
to get rid of it when I don’t want messages marked as read.

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, you got me.
> Congratulations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2024, at 20:23, Christina  wrote:
> 
> You did later say horizontal splitter, but the first time you said vertacle 
> splitter. No biggy, but here’s the copy/paste. 🙂 
> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>  
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> In my email quoted below, I clearly said horizontal splitter.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 17:59, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical 
>> Splitter. That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to 
>> get the Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> Christina
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no explanation.
>>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brad,
>>> 
>>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase 
>>> to 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
 This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
 preview pain will be gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
 pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
 the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a 
 vertical splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview 
 pane is still showing.  Any ideas?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

2024-04-06 Thread Christina 
Cool. That’s good to know. I’m on Ventura using Column layout  and in the email 
thread they were talking about when in column layout. I played around with my 
views and even when my preview pane was set to side preview and I turned off 
column layout my splitter still says horizontal splitter. I wonder if that will 
change when I update or if I reboot. 

Nonetheless, I am grateful for the instructions on how to get rid of the 
preview pane. So, again thanks. ☺️ 
Cheers,
Christina 

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 8:09 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Christina,
> Horizontal vs. Vertical depends on how you have mail set up. If preview is at 
> the bottom, then horizontal. If preview is to the right, then vertical.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Christina  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
> That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
> Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
> 
> Christina
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no explanation.
>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
>> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
>>> pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
>>> the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>>> showing.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
>>> 
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