Still got mail problems

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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[joseph hodge]

Dave suggestion is really good and that could be the cause although I’m not 
sure if you did that and sent that message just a bit ago. The other thought I 
had was it could be a font issue. I have this issue come up once when using Mac 
while at work while others were on windows. I had a font that some folks didn’t 
have. Wondering if it could be that? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hello all, 
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
> has any thoughts. 
> 
> 
> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access 
> any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of 
> my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and 
> his iPhone. 
> 
> 
> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Brad Snyder]

That shouldn't have anything to do with it.

- Brad -

On Jan 15, 2022, at 23:39, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Change your settings so that you are composing only inn plain text.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:20 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hello all, 


I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or has 
any thoughts. 


I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or iPhone 
can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who are reading 
the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access any 
attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of my 
board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and his 
iPhone. 


I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 

Thank you, 


Gabe 


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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Brad Snyder]

I've never experienced any issue with fonts, but I don't use any fancy fonts 
either.
When using the Mail app on my Mac, I use Helvetica which is the standard font. 
When using Outlook on my PC, I use Ariel, also a standard font.
I use the  native  mail app on my iPhone, and whatever is  The default  font is 
what is used.

- Brad -

On Jan 16, 2022, at 06:09, joseph hodge  wrote:

Dave suggestion is really good and that could be the cause although I’m not 
sure if you did that and sent that message just a bit ago. The other thought I 
had was it could be a font issue. I have this issue come up once when using Mac 
while at work while others were on windows. I had a font that some folks didn’t 
have. Wondering if it could be that? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
> has any thoughts. 
> 
> 
> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access 
> any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of 
> my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and 
> his iPhone. 
> 
> 
> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
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RE: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Brad Snyder]

I have tested reading this message on both my Mac and my PC using Outlook 
(latest Microsoft365), as well as my iPhone, with no issues reading the 
message.  I am writing this reply using Outlook on my PC.  My Outlook is set to 
compose in HTML, using Arial 12 pt. font.  My Outlook is set to read both HTML 
and Plain Text messages, using Arial 12 pt. font.

I'd like to say that the issue has to do with settings on the receiving 
computer's mail client, but since you say this issue is being experienced by 
all who receive your messages on Windows, I tend to doubt it is due to a 
setting on the receiving end, and not the sending end.

I am interested in feedback on if this message is able to be read on a Windows 
PC without issue.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Gabe Griffith
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 22:20
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

Hello all, 


I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or has 
any thoughts. 


I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or iPhone 
can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who are reading 
the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access any 
attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of my 
board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and his 
iPhone. 


I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 

Thank you, 


Gabe 


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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

[Herbie Allen]

I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.

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> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
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> 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

[Brad Snyder]

I would also suggest that you check your system volume level.

- Brad -

On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:36, Herbie Allen  wrote:

I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> 
> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Often, as VO users, the testing of reading vs visible to the sighted user is 
awkward.  The font size could be so small that a sighted user won’t be able to 
read it, but VO doesn’t care as it is simply taking the text and voicing it.  
Similarly, if the font colour was the same as the background, the sighted 
person won’t be able to read the text where VO again reads just fine.  One of 
the few advantages to using VO :).

I also do not believe that HTML vs Plain Text should make any difference.  Font 
could be a factor, although so many fonts nowadays are standard in most OS’s.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 16, 2022, at 07:25, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have tested reading this message on both my Mac and my PC using Outlook 
> (latest Microsoft365), as well as my iPhone, with no issues reading the 
> message.  I am writing this reply using Outlook on my PC.  My Outlook is set 
> to compose in HTML, using Arial 12 pt. font.  My Outlook is set to read both 
> HTML and Plain Text messages, using Arial 12 pt. font.
> 
> I'd like to say that the issue has to do with settings on the receiving 
> computer's mail client, but since you say this issue is being experienced by 
> all who receive your messages on Windows, I tend to doubt it is due to a 
> setting on the receiving end, and not the sending end.
> 
> I am interested in feedback on if this message is able to be read on a 
> Windows PC without issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Gabe Griffith
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 22:20
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
> has any thoughts. 
> 
> 
> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access 
> any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of 
> my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and 
> his iPhone. 
> 
> 
> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If Trackpad Commander is off, then doing the three finger double-tap will do 
nothing.  Prior to doing the three finger double-tap, hold down the VO keys and 
twist two fingers clockwise on the trackpad to make sure Trackpad Commander is 
actually enabled.

Later…
 

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:37, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I would also suggest that you check your system volume level.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:36, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
>> 
>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Brad Snyder]

Tim brings up good points, however, even if the font size is very small and 
cannot be seen by a sighted individual, a screen reader on windows should still 
be able to read the message.

- Brad -

On Jan 16, 2022, at 11:07, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Often, as VO users, the testing of reading vs visible to the sighted user is 
awkward.  The font size could be so small that a sighted user won’t be able to 
read it, but VO doesn’t care as it is simply taking the text and voicing it.  
Similarly, if the font colour was the same as the background, the sighted 
person won’t be able to read the text where VO again reads just fine.  One of 
the few advantages to using VO :).

I also do not believe that HTML vs Plain Text should make any difference.  Font 
could be a factor, although so many fonts nowadays are standard in most OS’s.

Later…


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> On Jan 16, 2022, at 07:25, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have tested reading this message on both my Mac and my PC using Outlook 
> (latest Microsoft365), as well as my iPhone, with no issues reading the 
> message.  I am writing this reply using Outlook on my PC.  My Outlook is set 
> to compose in HTML, using Arial 12 pt. font.  My Outlook is set to read both 
> HTML and Plain Text messages, using Arial 12 pt. font.
> 
> I'd like to say that the issue has to do with settings on the receiving 
> computer's mail client, but since you say this issue is being experienced by 
> all who receive your messages on Windows, I tend to doubt it is due to a 
> setting on the receiving end, and not the sending end.
> 
> I am interested in feedback on if this message is able to be read on a 
> Windows PC without issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Gabe Griffith
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 22:20
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
> has any thoughts. 
> 
> 
> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access 
> any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of 
> my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and 
> his iPhone. 
> 
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> Thank you, 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
off.


Herbie Allen writes:
> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.
> 
> > On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> > So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> > 
> > Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Tim. I do that and get no feedback of any kind. I've tried
exactly this quite a few times.


'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> If Trackpad Commander is off, then doing the three finger double-tap will do 
> nothing.  Prior to doing the three finger double-tap, hold down the VO keys 
> and twist two fingers clockwise on the trackpad to make sure Trackpad 
> Commander is actually enabled.
> 
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:37, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> > 
> > I would also suggest that you check your system volume level.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:36, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> > 
> > I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your 
> > soundcard.
> > 
> >> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> >> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> >> 
> >> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If not, the 
only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover settings is with 
the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> off.
> 
> 
> Herbie Allen writes:
>> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
>>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
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>>> (she/her/hers)
>>> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
>>> 
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>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:   http://a11y.org
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I used to experience something like this in reverse. My father used to send me 
emails that I could read with voiceover but anybody else in thee family said 
were completely blank. He wcomposed his messages with High Contrast mode on the 
windows system. If  one used vo-T to query information about the text 
attributes it would tell me that it was white on white.
HTH!
Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 15, 2022, at 23:20, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
> has any thoughts. 
> 
> 
> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access 
> any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of 
> my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and 
> his iPhone. 
> 
> 
> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> 
> Gabe 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, in my experience, the “speech off” message means VoiceOver is muted and 
you have to unmute it with one of the commands described in this thread. I do 
this with M-chord from a braille display.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jonathan Cohn 
Date: Sunday, 16January, 2022 at 12:39
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again
Hello,
if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If not, the 
only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover settings is with 
the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
off.


Herbie Allen writes:

I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.


On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.

Is there any way to control this in the terminal?

Best,

Janina

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Using sudo with Touch ID on a Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

In case this helps anyone else, I’ve found out how to enable Touch ID with the 
sudo command on Mac OS. When enabled, running sudo opens a dialogue prompting 
you to use Touch ID or to activate a button to prompt for your password.

As root, go to /etc/pam.d and change the permissions of the sudo file 
temporarily with
chmod 644 sudo
then run your preferred text editor, and insert the following below the first 
line of the file:
auth   sufficient  pam_tid.so
Then, obviously, save the file and change the permissions back with “chmod 444 
sudo”.
Finally, without exiting the root shell, open another terminal window with 
Command-N and run sudo -i to test it. You can revert the change if it doesn’t 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jonathan. I do have an Orbit Reader available, though I don't
recall whether I ever associated it with my Mac Air. Nevertheless, this
gives me a path forward, even if I need to arrange for sighted
assistance. Right now the Orbit is charging, indicating how little I use
it I'm sorry to say.

Best,

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Hello,
> if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If not, 
> the only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover settings is 
> with the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> > me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> > off.
> > 
> > 
> > Herbie Allen writes:
> >> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your 
> >> soundcard.
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> >>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> >>> 
> >>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

[Devin Prater]

Plug it in, and VO will connect to it automatically.
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 12:46 PM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Jonathan. I do have an Orbit Reader available, though I don't
> recall whether I ever associated it with my Mac Air. Nevertheless, this
> gives me a path forward, even if I need to arrange for sighted
> assistance. Right now the Orbit is charging, indicating how little I use
> it I'm sorry to say.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > Hello,
> > if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If
> not, the only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover
> settings is with the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> > > me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> > > off.
> > >
> > >
> > > Herbie Allen writes:
> > >> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your
> soundcard.
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the
> trackpad.
> > >>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Janina
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Never had this kind of problem and regularly check mail on a PC, I phone and 
Mac which I’m doing now.

Kawal.

> On 16 Jan 2022, at 17:45, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I used to experience something like this in reverse. My father used to send 
> me emails that I could read with voiceover but anybody else in thee family 
> said were completely blank. He wcomposed his messages with High Contrast mode 
> on the windows system. If  one used vo-T to query information about the text 
> attributes it would tell me that it was white on white.
> HTH!
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 23:20, Gabe Griffith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
>> has any thoughts. 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
>> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
>> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
>> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to 
>> access any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. 
>> One of my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his 
>> PC and his iPhone. 
>> 
>> 
>> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> 
>> Gabe 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
10MG?
GEE!
In Sweden we only can get  the 2 MILIGRAM.
/A

> 16 jan. 2022 kl. 03:32 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I finally got it to work.  I had to power the watch off and back on, and then 
> the option to turn on the SIRI voice worked.
> 
> I feel your pain re sleep.  When my watch self-destructed, it was four AM, 
> and of course I couldn’t go back to sleep because I was trying to figure out 
> what was going on.  Have you tried Melatonin?  I Take the 10MG tablets, and 
> they help a lot, (barring self-destructing watches).  Just FYI, for me the 
> gummies are less helpful.  I think it’s because they get into my system too 
> fast, and so don’t help me go back to sleep when I wake up at 3 AM.  Just a 
> suggestion. :) 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 6:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’m not sure.  I tried it for an hour as well without luck.  Maybe I’ll 
>> leave it on the charger overnight to see if it does it.  It will mess up my 
>> sleep record, but I don’t appear to sleep that much anyway.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice?  I’ve had 
>>> the watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error 
>>> message.  I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually 
>>> downloading the voice.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
 sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
 remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the 
 watch on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also 
 think that if you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need 
 any extra languages in the rotor.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Alia,
> 
> Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was 
> not.  Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe 
> that had something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, 
> there are a number of things that have changed since I first set up the 
> watch two years ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be 
> able to speak because of the language I have selected.  That makes 
> absolutely no sense, since the selected language is English US, so I’m 
> assuming that it’s because the voice hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error 
> message, though.  It really should say something about needing to 
> download the voice.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> donna, 
>> 
>> you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
>> enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
>> settings.
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless 
>>> you have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, 
>>> what I need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not 
>>> seeing it since the re-set.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to 
 get to the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up 
 or down to make your selection.
 
 I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't 
 know.
 
 Michael
 
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
>>>

RE: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

[M. Taylor]

Hello Donna and All,

Okay, first I understand that your solution to your original questions, Donna, 
was to enable Siri on your watch.

However, I have another question because something doesn't seem right to me.

First, on my beloved 8 Plus, I have two languages in the VO rotor, US English, 
Default, and US English.

I have my beloved Samantha set as the US English Default voice and Alex set as 
the TTS for US English.  This configuration allows me to quickly switch between 
Samantha and Alex on my phone via the VO rotor.

So, when I read your original question to the group and a subsequent reply 
suggesting that you add US English to the VO rotor on the watch, I assumed that 
one would be able to switch between the two TTS engines , on the watch, just as 
I do on the phone.

However, after adding the US English voice to the VO rotor on the watch, while 
I can switch between the two languages on the watch, as expected, unlike on my 
phone, doing so does not switch between the two TTS engines.

Does anyone know why this does not work?  

Again, I am asking because switching between these two languages and their 
respective TTS engines on my phone works so well.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

Hi Tim,

I finally got it to work.  I had to power the watch off and back on, and then 
the option to turn on the SIRI voice worked.

I feel your pain re sleep.  When my watch self-destructed, it was four AM, and 
of course I couldn’t go back to sleep because I was trying to figure out what 
was going on.  Have you tried Melatonin?  I Take the 10MG tablets, and they 
help a lot, (barring self-destructing watches).  Just FYI, for me the gummies 
are less helpful.  I think it’s because they get into my system too fast, and 
so don’t help me go back to sleep when I wake up at 3 AM.  Just a suggestion. 
:) 
Cheers,
Donna


On Jan 15, 2022, at 6:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I’m not sure.  I tried it for an hour as well without luck.  Maybe I’ll leave 
it on the charger overnight to see if it does it.  It will mess up my sleep 
record, but I don’t appear to sleep that much anyway.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jan 15, 2022, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice?  I’ve had the 
watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error 
message.  I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually 
downloading the voice.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Donna,

Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the watch 
on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also think that if 
you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any extra languages 
in the rotor.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Alia,

Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not.  
Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had 
something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a 
number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years 
ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak because 
of the language I have selected.  That makes absolutely no sense, since the 
selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s because the voice 
hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error message, though.  It really should say 
something about needing to download the voice.

Thanks for the help.
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPad


On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
donna, 

you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to enable 
siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille settings.
On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you 
have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what I need 
is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since t