Re: Voiceover reading pages in pdf documents twice

[Muhammad Fayed]

Yes, I face it since Big Sur 11.3 or so. I’m not sure, but it still exists in 
11.5.2.

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 29 Sep 2021, at 10:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone noticed a very odd behaviour of Voiceover when reading pdf 
> documents either in Preview or when Safari opens them on the web?  Voiceover 
> reads each page of a pdf document twice.  This is very annoying and totally 
> unnecessary.  Could you confirm?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Using Night Owl on the Mac

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

Press the space bar.

All the best
Angie


> On 30 Sep 2021, at 02:13, Frank Ventura  
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> Hi all, if there is anyone who uses the Night Owl Twitter client, how do I 
> jump to the first (oldest) unread tweet in the timeline? thanks
> Sincerely,
> Frank Ventura
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Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[dan d.]

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks for sharing this article.
I have mixed views on this .
On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri features 
that people depend on.
Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or just 
the visually impaired?
It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
voicemails.


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Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by 
Low Vision and Blind Users


https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[doug . lawlor]

As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices can 
be quite a difficult task for many users. 
A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
this demographic 

. 
 

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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this article.
> I have mixed views on this .
> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri features 
> that people depend on.
> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
> just the visually impaired?
> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
> voicemails.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of dan d.
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
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> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
> by Low Vision and Blind Users
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> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch screen 
when I can.
The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
ones being impacted by this.
Apple is not sending a good message here.
Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices can 
be quite a difficult task for many users. 
A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
this demographic 

. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this article.
> I have mixed views on this .
> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri features 
> that people depend on.
> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
> just the visually impaired?
> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
> voicemails.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of dan d.
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
> by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> 
> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[doug . lawlor]

I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple of 
tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple watch 
to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to cross. So 
I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a demographic 
that need them. 

I really enjoy this discussion. 

Best, 
Doug 

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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
> screen when I can.
> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
> ones being impacted by this.
> Apple is not sending a good message here.
> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
> far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
> to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices 
> can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
> this demographic 
> 
> . 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>> I have mixed views on this .
>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>> features that people depend on.
>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>> just the visually impaired?
>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>> voicemails.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of dan d.
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
>> by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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Re: Apple mail

[Brad Snyder]

Sounds like your Apple Mail client is blocking HTML content in Junk email.
If you navigate outside of the mail item’s content area, you should find a bar 
with a button to show hidden content.  This should be located between the 
content area, and the header area.

- Brad -


On Sep 29, 2021, at 18:23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

on my Mac running Catalina I sometimes get emals that vo won't read when Iopen 
them. it just says: "mark as vip--read." if I arrow around it looks like it 
might not even be in the body of the email. what's happening there? these are 
almost always from a bulk mialout. 

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple of 
tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple watch 
to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to cross. So 
I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a demographic 
that need them. 

I really enjoy this discussion. 

Best, 
Doug 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
> screen when I can.
> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
> ones being impacted by this.
> Apple is not sending a good message here.
> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
> far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
> to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices 
> can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
> this demographic 
> 
> . 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>> I have mixed views on this .
>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>> features that people depend on.
>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>> just the visually impaired?
>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>> voicemails.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of dan d.
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
>> by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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Re: dropbox notifications

[Brad Snyder]

Try changing your Dropbox notifications to a persistent Alert, instead of a 
Banner.
This should keep them on the screen until you have a chance to read them, and 
then dismiss each alert.

- Brad -


On Sep 30, 2021, at 01:00, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

how can I access notifications that come from droopbox? sometimes I'll hear one 
but I'm in another room or something and don't hear what it says. if I press 
vo-n vo says no notifications are available. how do I find them?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
> carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
> demographic that need them. 
> 
> I really enjoy this discussion. 
> 
> Best, 
> Doug 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>> screen when I can.
>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>> ones being impacted by this.
>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
>> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
>> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
>> this demographic 
>> 
>> . 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>>> I have mixed views on this .
>>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>>> features that people depend on.
>>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>>> just the visually impaired?
>>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>>> voicemails.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of dan d.
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
>>> -- 
>>> ent-
>>> XR
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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe privacy 
compromises were made there to.
I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
removed.
This just occurred to me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
> carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
> demographic that need them. 
> 
> I really enjoy this discussion. 
> 
> Best, 
> Doug 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>> screen when I can.
>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>> ones being impacted by this.
>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
>> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
>> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
>> this demographic 
>> 
>> . 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>>> I have mixed views on this .
>>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>>> features that people depend on.
>>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>>> just the visually impaired?
>>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>>> voicemails.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of dan d.
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
>>> -- 
>>> ent-
>>> XR
>>> 
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Re: Access to a Drive on My Wi-Fi Server

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Open the Airport Utility, interact with the scroll area and VO-space on your 
Airport device.  Once you’ve open the configuration for the Airport device, you 
should have tabs like Basic, Internet, Wireless and Disks.  The Disks tab is 
where you configure File Sharing and such for connecting to attached disks.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 29, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> Are you saying to look at the Airport Utility on the iPhone, and the disk 
> tab? I opened Airport Utility on the Mac and do not find any tab for the 
> disks. What am I missing?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Since this is a disk connected to your Extreme, then you’ll need to look in 
> the Airport Utility under the Disks tab.  Check if you connect with a Disk 
> password, or something else.  If it is a Disk password, then you don’t even 
> need a username, just the password, although it should figure that out itself.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> Yes, that’s exactly where I looked for ideas. I may be botching the user ID. 
>> Tried the usual admin with my password and that did not work.
>> Can you point me to where I would look on the Mac for this information? I 
>> set up my backup drive so long ago I have no idea where to look.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:03 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> I’m assuming that you’re following the instructions from Apple found at:
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph8d8f0f1a0/ios 
>> 
>> 
>> I used these instructions to connect to a server at work with the Files app 
>> with no difficulty.  Do you know what format the drive is?  MacOS Extended 
>> (Journaled), APFS, NTFS etc.?  Am I right to assume that you connect just 
>> fine with your Mac?  If yes, the Mac should essentially give you the same 
>> set of dialogs to deal with.  That is, Server address, username and 
>> password, and specific volume.  I will test at home when I get home tonight 
>> to see if I experience any difficulties when accessing my similarly 
>> connected drives to the Extreme.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a SSD drive connected to my AirPort Extreme that I use for storing 
>>> backup files from my Mac. It is accessed using a 192.168.0.# 
>>> I would like to also be able to access these files using my iPhone. I 
>>> thought it would simply be a matter of using the files app and setting my 
>>> server location. But it tells me that this operation is not valid.
>>> Is there a better way to do this, rather than using the files app?
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>>> 
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Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[doug . lawlor]

All of these assistants will always have to go to the cloud to get something. 
The main problem I see is that some of the older demographic, who prefer a 
device that has buttons for doing things, have a great deal of trouble 
adjusting to a touch screen environment. These people would be satisfied with 
something resembling either a candy bar or flip phone. If they could use a 
telephone keypad and get voice feedback they would be happy. I don't think any 
of the major carriors in canada cary such a phone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Doug 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are 
>>> just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning 
>>> the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a 
>>> lot of this demographic 
>>> 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing this article.
 I have mixed views on this .
 On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
 interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
 features that people depend on.
 Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
 just the visually impaired?
 It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
 This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
 The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
 voicemails.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of dan d.
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
 Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
 
>>

Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

True, but personally, I’d much rather my data be in Apple’s cloud than in 
Amazon’s or Google’s. ;) 
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Doug 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are 
>>> just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning 
>>> the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a 
>>> lot of this demographic 
>>> 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing this article.
 I have mixed views on this .
 On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
 interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
 features that people depend on.
 Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
 just the visually impaired?
 It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
 This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
 The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
 voicemails.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of dan d.
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
 Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
 
 
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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, see if someone in Canada would consider selling the Blind Shell phone.
Here is a website with all current distributors, and I think the CNIB is listed.
The advantage, as I understand it, is that the Blind Shell has customized apps 
that are proprietary but still offer the functionality you would see in a smart 
phone i.e. Voice Assistant.
https://www.blindshell.com/where-to-buy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

All of these assistants will always have to go to the cloud to get something. 
The main problem I see is that some of the older demographic, who prefer a 
device that has buttons for doing things, have a great deal of trouble 
adjusting to a touch screen environment. These people would be satisfied with 
something resembling either a candy bar or flip phone. If they could use a 
telephone keypad and get voice feedback they would be happy. I don't think any 
of the major carriors in canada cary such a phone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Doug 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are 
>>> just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning 
>>> the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a 
>>> lot of this demographic 
>>> 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing this article.
 I have mixed views on this .
 On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
 interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
 features t

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I do not fully trust the cloud but use it because of convenience.
Once the wallet issue in IOS15 is resolved, I am definitely taking advantage of 
the on device support.
I remember when Apple justifiably got some criticism for listening to user 
recordings from Siri through private contractors.
At least give people the choice of using an assistant offline.
Apple should be commended for that feature.


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

True, but personally, I’d much rather my data be in Apple’s cloud than in 
Amazon’s or Google’s. ;) Cheers, Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people 
>>> are just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as 
>>> learning the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major 
>>> learning curve for a lot of this demographic
>>> 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing this article.
 I have mixed views on this .
 On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
 interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
 features that people depend on.
 Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
 just the visually impaired?
 It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
 This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
 The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
 voicemails.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I agree.
Donna


> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I do not fully trust the cloud but use it because of convenience.
> Once the wallet issue in IOS15 is resolved, I am definitely taking advantage 
> of the on device support.
> I remember when Apple justifiably got some criticism for listening to user 
> recordings from Siri through private contractors.
> At least give people the choice of using an assistant offline.
> Apple should be commended for that feature.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> True, but personally, I’d much rather my data be in Apple’s cloud than in 
> Amazon’s or Google’s. ;) Cheers, Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
>> privacy compromises were made there to.
>> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
>> removed.
>> This just occurred to me.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
>> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his 
>> clients, your solution would not work.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most 
>>> simple of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on 
>>> the Apple watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was 
>>> supposed to cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the 
>>> imagination. 
>>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>>> demographic that need them. 
>>> 
>>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
 I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
 screen when I can.
 The population of people you work with who depend on these features are 
 the ones being impacted by this.
 Apple is not sending a good message here.
 Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
 There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
 as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
 Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
 
 As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
 features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
 interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
 want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
 devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
 A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people 
 are just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as 
 learning the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major 
 learning curve for a lot of this demographic
 
 . 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this article.
> I have mixed views on this .
> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
> features that people depend on.
> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
> just the visually impaired?
> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
> This hurts Apple's reputation

How to find a file on the Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I’m trying to find the location of a file on my Mac, so that I can copy it to a 
new location where I can easily find it.  Spotlight finds the file, but does 
not give me the file path.  I can open the file in Preview, but that is not 
what I need to do.  Is there any way to get a spotlight search either to show 
me the file’s location, or give me access so I can copy it?
TIA,
Donna

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Accessing iCloud Drive from two different user profiles on a PC?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Somehow my Windows user Profile got corrupted, so I had to create a second user 
profile on my PC.  Unfortunately, all my stuff is in the original profile.  I 
was hoping that at least a partial work-around would be to be able to access my 
iCloud Drive from both user profiles, but when I set up iCloud in the new 
profile, rather than just giving me access, it seems to have created a second 
copy of my iCloud Drive, and now I’m getting disk full error messages.  Does 
anyone know if there’s a way to access iCloud Drive from two different Windows 
user profiles without having two copies of the drive on your hard disk?
TIA,
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Re: How to find a file on the Mac

[Brad Snyder]

With the file open in Preview, you should be able to open the Save As dialog 
using CMD + OPT + Shift + S, where you should be able to determine the current 
location of the open file.

HTH.

- Brad -


On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I’m trying to find the location of a file on my Mac, so that I can copy it to a 
new location where I can easily find it.  Spotlight finds the file, but does 
not give me the file path.  I can open the file in Preview, but that is not 
what I need to do.  Is there any way to get a spotlight search either to show 
me the file’s location, or give me access so I can copy it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to find a file on the Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey Brad,

Yes, that worked.  Thank you.
Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> With the file open in Preview, you should be able to open the Save As dialog 
> using CMD + OPT + Shift + S, where you should be able to determine the 
> current location of the open file.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m trying to find the location of a file on my Mac, so that I can copy it to 
> a new location where I can easily find it.  Spotlight finds the file, but 
> does not give me the file path.  I can open the file in Preview, but that is 
> not what I need to do.  Is there any way to get a spotlight search either to 
> show me the file’s location, or give me access so I can copy it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Using Night Owl on the Mac

[Frank Ventura]

Thanks, I’ll give that a try.
Sincerely,
Frank Ventura

frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com

~Sent from my Apple Mac Book Air~


On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:52 AM, Angie Nutt 
mailto:an...@comproom.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi

Press the space bar.

All the best
Angie


On 30 Sep 2021, at 02:13, Frank Ventura 
mailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>> wrote:

Hi all, if there is anyone who uses the Night Owl Twitter client, how do I jump 
to the first (oldest) unread tweet in the timeline? thanks
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Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening on 
both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know about 
it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?
TIA,
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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening on 
both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know about 
it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?


Notification sounds are fine on my iPhone (running iOS 15), so this 
isn't happening to everyone. I don't know what the circumstances might 
be that give rise to the problem.


I've already started using the new focus options, which are a valuable 
addition to the operating system.


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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have no idea. I googled it, and it was suggested that you turn off all focus 
options, A check in the control center to make sure that there wasn’t a focus 
option running, and then as a last resort reboot your phone. I’ve done all 
three, and nothing has helped. And I did figure out that it is not happening on 
my watch, but it is happening on my phone and my iPad. It’s very annoying.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>> On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening 
>> on both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know 
>> about it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?
> 
> Notification sounds are fine on my iPhone (running iOS 15), so this isn't 
> happening to everyone. I don't know what the circumstances might be that give 
> rise to the problem.
> 
> I've already started using the new focus options, which are a valuable 
> addition to the operating system.
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Re: Voiceover reading pages in pdf documents twice

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, I experience the same thing. The best way I have found to get around this 
is to open the PDF file in preview, press command+a to select all of the text, 
then press command+c to copy it. Then I paste it in to text edit and read it 
from there.

> On Sep 29, 2021, at 3:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone noticed a very odd behaviour of Voiceover when reading pdf 
> documents either in Preview or when Safari opens them on the web?  Voiceover 
> reads each page of a pdf document twice.  This is very annoying and totally 
> unnecessary.  Could you confirm?
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Re: How to find a file on the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Alternatively, go to the Finder, press cmd-f to bring up the Find window.  In 
the resulting search field, enter the name of the document you wish to find.  
Press cmd-2 to ensure that you’re in List view then navigate to the Scroll area 
where the List view table is.  Interact with the table and find the document 
you desire.

Now, you’ve got two methods you can use to find its location.  First, just 
press cmd-i to GetInfo on the document and there will be an item there that 
says where the file is currently located.  I believe that the title in front 
says “Where”.  For the second method, stop interacting with the table and the 
Scroll area, then navigate right to the “Path List”.  Interact with this and 
the path to the document is outlined right there.

HTH.

Later…


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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hey Brad,
> 
> Yes, that worked.  Thank you.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> With the file open in Preview, you should be able to open the Save As dialog 
>> using CMD + OPT + Shift + S, where you should be able to determine the 
>> current location of the open file.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m trying to find the location of a file on my Mac, so that I can copy it 
>> to a new location where I can easily find it.  Spotlight finds the file, but 
>> does not give me the file path.  I can open the file in Preview, but that is 
>> not what I need to do.  Is there any way to get a spotlight search either to 
>> show me the file’s location, or give me access so I can copy it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to find a file on the Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Tim, this is golden!  Thank you!
Donna


> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Alternatively, go to the Finder, press cmd-f to bring up the Find window.  In 
> the resulting search field, enter the name of the document you wish to find.  
> Press cmd-2 to ensure that you’re in List view then navigate to the Scroll 
> area where the List view table is.  Interact with the table and find the 
> document you desire.
> 
> Now, you’ve got two methods you can use to find its location.  First, just 
> press cmd-i to GetInfo on the document and there will be an item there that 
> says where the file is currently located.  I believe that the title in front 
> says “Where”.  For the second method, stop interacting with the table and the 
> Scroll area, then navigate right to the “Path List”.  Interact with this and 
> the path to the document is outlined right there.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Hey Brad,
>> 
>> Yes, that worked.  Thank you.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the file open in Preview, you should be able to open the Save As 
>>> dialog using CMD + OPT + Shift + S, where you should be able to determine 
>>> the current location of the open file.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to find the location of a file on my Mac, so that I can copy it 
>>> to a new location where I can easily find it.  Spotlight finds the file, 
>>> but does not give me the file path.  I can open the file in Preview, but 
>>> that is not what I need to do.  Is there any way to get a spotlight search 
>>> either to show me the file’s location, or give me access so I can copy it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Well I am not the best on this as I can easyily ignore sounds from my phone,  
but it seems to me that the phone is not providing notification's  when I have 
my watch on. -test out my theory and let me know what you find out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I have no idea. I googled it, and it was suggested that you turn off all 
> focus options, A check in the control center to make sure that there wasn’t a 
> focus option running, and then as a last resort reboot your phone. I’ve done 
> all three, and nothing has helped. And I did figure out that it is not 
> happening on my watch, but it is happening on my phone and my iPad. It’s very 
> annoying.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening 
>>> on both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know 
>>> about it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?
>> 
>> Notification sounds are fine on my iPhone (running iOS 15), so this isn't 
>> happening to everyone. I don't know what the circumstances might be that 
>> give rise to the problem.
>> 
>> I've already started using the new focus options, which are a valuable 
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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

No, that’s not it. I’ve been sitting here without my watch on because it’s on 
the charger, and about four emails have come in within the last few minutes, 
and I didn’t hear a sound.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:38 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> Well I am not the best on this as I can easyily ignore sounds from my phone, 
>  but it seems to me that the phone is not providing notification's  when I 
> have my watch on. -test out my theory and let me know what you find out. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea. I googled it, and it was suggested that you turn off all 
>> focus options, A check in the control center to make sure that there wasn’t 
>> a focus option running, and then as a last resort reboot your phone. I’ve 
>> done all three, and nothing has helped. And I did figure out that it is not 
>> happening on my watch, but it is happening on my phone and my iPad. It’s 
>> very annoying.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
> On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is 
 happening on both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so 
 don’t know about it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?
>>> 
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Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the
address?

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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello Donna, and list,


I have noticed this issue since upgrading. It is rather frustrating. I 
have an iPhone 12 Mini. As well as a series 5 watch. I don't run all the 
Apps possible on my watch, or receive all my notifications on there. So 
I can't speak for how the watch is functioning.


Although, I do seem to be aware of the notifications that do come to it.


However, with my phone sometimes I will get notification sounds. Most of 
the time, I do not.



This evening we used Uuber Eats for dinner, and I was beginning to 
wonder why I hadn't heard anything. I picked up my phone, and it is a 
good thing that I did. The delivery person was there. But while the 
notification was there, a sound didn't happen.



I sure hope if a small update is put out soon, that it fixes this issue. 
I too have tried rebooting my phone. As well as shutting off the focus 
options. But this doesn't seem to matter.



So no, it is definitely not just you. I hope this helps. I am sorry 
though I don't have any possible solutions.



Terri

On 9/30/2021 9:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

No, that’s not it. I’ve been sitting here without my watch on because it’s on 
the charger, and about four emails have come in within the last few minutes, 
and I didn’t hear a sound.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:38 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

Well I am not the best on this as I can easyily ignore sounds from my phone,  
but it seems to me that the phone is not providing notification's  when I have 
my watch on. -test out my theory and let me know what you find out.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I have no idea. I googled it, and it was suggested that you turn off all focus 
options, A check in the control center to make sure that there wasn’t a focus 
option running, and then as a last resort reboot your phone. I’ve done all 
three, and nothing has helped. And I did figure out that it is not happening on 
my watch, but it is happening on my phone and my iPad. It’s very annoying.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening on 
both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know about 
it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?

Notification sounds are fine on my iPhone (running iOS 15), so this isn't 
happening to everyone. I don't know what the circumstances might be that give 
rise to the problem.

I've already started using the new focus options, which are a valuable addition 
to the operating system.

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Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Brad Snyder]

Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.

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Hi, Group.
When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?
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RE: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Fazil]

How can I move to the next field, please?

Thanks!

 

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Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.

 

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Hi, Group.

When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Joseph Hudson]

Use your tab key. And then hit command shift D. to send when you're ready to 
send.

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> How can I move to the next field, please?
> Thanks!
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
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> Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.
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> - Brad -
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> Hi, Group.
> When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
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Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Brad Snyder]

You could use VoiceOver navigation, using VO + right/left arrow keys, or you 
could press the Tab key.
Either one will get the job done, but I recommend using VoiceOver navigation.
 

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On Sep 30, 2021, at 23:14, Fazil  wrote:

How can I move to the next field, please?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
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Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.
 
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On Sep 30, 2021, at 22:07, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?
Thanks!
 
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RE: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Fazil]

You mean I should not press enter or arrows once the address is uttered by 
VoiceOver?

Thanks!

 

 

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You could use VoiceOver navigation, using VO + right/left arrow keys, or you 
could press the Tab key.

Either one will get the job done, but I recommend using VoiceOver navigation.

 


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On Sep 30, 2021, at 23:14, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

How can I move to the next field, please?

Thanks!

 

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<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
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Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.

 

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On Sep 30, 2021, at 22:07, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Brad Snyder]

No, I said you need to press enter to accept the address suggestion, then you 
can navigate to the next field.

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On Oct 1, 2021, at 00:28, Fazil  wrote:

You mean I should not press enter or arrows once the address is uttered by 
VoiceOver?
Thanks!
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?
 
You could use VoiceOver navigation, using VO + right/left arrow keys, or you 
could press the Tab key.
Either one will get the job done, but I recommend using VoiceOver navigation.
 

- Brad -

 
On Sep 30, 2021, at 23:14, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
How can I move to the next field, please?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?
 
Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.
 
- Brad -

 
On Sep 30, 2021, at 22:07, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?
Thanks!
 
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RE: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Fazil]

When I press enter to accept suggestion, VoiceOver says:

“Selection Deleted”.

Thanks!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

 

No, I said you need to press enter to accept the address suggestion, then you 
can navigate to the next field.


- Brad -

 

On Oct 1, 2021, at 00:28, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You mean I should not press enter or arrows once the address is uttered by 
VoiceOver?

Thanks!

 

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:06 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

 

You could use VoiceOver navigation, using VO + right/left arrow keys, or you 
could press the Tab key.

Either one will get the job done, but I recommend using VoiceOver navigation.

 


- Brad -

 

On Sep 30, 2021, at 23:14, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

How can I move to the next field, please?

Thanks!

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:05 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

 

Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.

 

- Brad -

 

On Sep 30, 2021, at 22:07, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the address?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?

[Joseph Hudson]

It does say that, but if you shift tab, you will see that all of your addresses 
are still there. If you tab back.

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 1:06 AM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> When I press enter to accept suggestion, VoiceOver says:
> “Selection Deleted”.
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?
>  
> No, I said you need to press enter to accept the address suggestion, then you 
> can navigate to the next field.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Oct 1, 2021, at 00:28, Fazil  wrote:
>  
> You mean I should not press enter or arrows once the address is uttered by 
> VoiceOver?
> Thanks!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?
>  
> You could use VoiceOver navigation, using VO + right/left arrow keys, or you 
> could press the Tab key.
> Either one will get the job done, but I recommend using VoiceOver navigation.
>  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 23:14, Fazil  wrote:
>  
> How can I move to the next field, please?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Auto Filling the Email Address?
>  
> Press enter to accept the address, and then navigate to the next field.
>  
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 22:07, Fazil  wrote:
>  
> Hi, Group.
> When I start typing email address in To Field, Voiceover completes it. What 
> should I do when the email address is filled out? Should I tab to the next 
> field or should I press enter to acknowledge the auto-completion of the 
> address?
> Thanks!
>  
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