Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Tim,

Thank you for your patient response

I did get to recovery and tried to erase the hard drive and then reinstall from 
scratch.  I think I may have messed things up since I got a message the start 
up disk couldn’t be verified.  So I was stuck.  I tried again to play around 
with volumes and finally reinstalled the OS but now I’m stuck on setting up 
home folder as the setup assistant insists my name is not acceptable and 
prompts me to choose another but to no avail.  So I think I shall have to call 
apple support.

Thanks again, Tim
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 22:02, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Yes, you can definitely get into Recovery on your own.  In fact, the Recovery 
> stuff on the M1 Macs is even more accessible than that of the older Intel or 
> PPC Macs.
> 
> To get into Recovery on an M1, power it down, then wait a few seconds, then 
> hold down the power button, and keep holding it down through the startup 
> chime and for another seven or eight seconds, then release the power button.  
> Wait a few seconds, then press cmd-f5 to turn VO on.  You should be at the 
> Boot Picker at this point. Interact with the Recovery options area, then 
> press the Continue button.  You should be good from there.
> 
> The only difficulties you might have is trying to power it down when VO is 
> not working.  You may need to use the force power down by holding down the 
> power button for six seconds or so.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
 to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
 can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
 person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
 now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
 just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
 voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
 this business now.  Surely these things should work?
 
 Andrew 
 
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Lossless Apple Music

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
already? 
I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice Over. 
And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me still 
running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality when 
browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial Audio.

thanks,
Ronald

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Re: Lossless Apple Music

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

On the Mac, while the music is playing, look in the LCD panel.  If the title is 
Dolby Atmos, it will say so.  Similarly, in the Now Playing screen on your 
iPhone, it will be announced by VO somewhere on that screen.  With respect to 
Lossless, make sure that you’ve set your music app to play lossless audio in 
Music Settings on iPhone, and Music Preferences, in the Playback tab on Mac.

Later…


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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
> already? 
> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality when 
> browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial Audio.
> 
> thanks,
> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Patrick Ford]

Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple that 
are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide variety of 
genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files in your 
preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play in this 
format.
The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot appreciate 
the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think certain TV's. I 
have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the spatial audio.
Patrick 
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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
> already? 
> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality when 
> browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial Audio.
> 
> thanks,
> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for that. Isn't it noticeable when searching for music on Apple Music? I 
mean not my own library, but looking for new music to add to my library. I 
think I read somewhere you should be able to find it when searching. Not sure 
though.
I cannot set the lossless format, cause it isn’t supported in Catalina. 
Therefor I probably cannot see it in the lcd either.

thanks,
Ronald
 

> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:34 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On the Mac, while the music is playing, look in the LCD panel.  If the title 
> is Dolby Atmos, it will say so.  Similarly, in the Now Playing screen on your 
> iPhone, it will be announced by VO somewhere on that screen.  With respect to 
> Lossless, make sure that you’ve set your music app to play lossless audio in 
> Music Settings on iPhone, and Music Preferences, in the Playback tab on Mac.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Ronald van Rhijn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>> already? 
>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>> Audio.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, there certainly are limitations on what will play the Dolby Atmos and/or 
Spacial Audio.

I have the AirPod Pro which will do spacial audio in supported movies and TV 
shows when playing from iPhone.  My surround sound system does support Dolby 
Atmos, but I only have the Apple TV HD at the moment, not the 4K version, so 
Dolby Atmos is not passed to the system.  I’ll look at updating my Apple TV in 
the Fall and then we’ll see how things sound :).

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
> that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
> variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files in 
> your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play in 
> this format.
> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
> certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the 
> spatial audio.
> Patrick 
> Come and See
> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>> already? 
>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>> Audio.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Patrick,

Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial audio, that’s 
good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name of the playlist or an 
additional tag?
 
Ronald

> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
> that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
> variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files in 
> your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play in 
> this format.
> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
> certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the 
> spatial audio.
> Patrick 
> Come and See
> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>> already? 
>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>> Audio.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Brad Snyder]

you won't see a Lossless option unless you are running macOS Big Sur 11.4 on 
your Mac, or iOS/iPadOS 14.6 on your iPhone or iPad.

- Brad -

On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:35, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

On the Mac, while the music is playing, look in the LCD panel.  If the title is 
Dolby Atmos, it will say so.  Similarly, in the Now Playing screen on your 
iPhone, it will be announced by VO somewhere on that screen.  With respect to 
Lossless, make sure that you’ve set your music app to play lossless audio in 
Music Settings on iPhone, and Music Preferences, in the Playback tab on Mac.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
> already? 
> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Ronald,

In the Music app, in Apple Music, select the Browse tab.  If your device 
supports it, there are spacial audio playlists there for you to check out.

Later…


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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial audio, that’s 
> good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name of the playlist or an 
> additional tag?
> 
> Ronald
> 
>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
>> that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
>> variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files 
>> in your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play in 
>> this format.
>> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
>> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
>> certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the 
>> spatial audio.
>> Patrick 
>> Come and See
>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>>> already? 
>>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>>> Audio.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Ronald
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Will do., although lossless is most important to me. 

thanks,
Ronald


> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:57 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Ronald,
> 
> In the Music app, in Apple Music, select the Browse tab.  If your device 
> supports it, there are spacial audio playlists there for you to check out.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Ronald van Rhijn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Patrick,
>> 
>> Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial audio, that’s 
>> good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name of the playlist or an 
>> additional tag?
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
>>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford >> > het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
>>> that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
>>> variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files 
>>> in your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play 
>>> in this format.
>>> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
>>> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
>>> certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the 
>>> spatial audio.
>>> Patrick 
>>> Come and See
>>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
 already? 
 I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
 Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
 still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
 when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
 Audio.
 
 thanks,
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Patrick Ford]

It's in the anme of the playlist, i.e, classical music in spatial audio - jazz 
in spatial audio - I don't know how long they will keep these playlists  but 
they had quite a few  such as classic rock in spatial audio and  so look around 
and I'm sure you will come across  these playlists - I had received an email 
originally with a bunch of the playlists listed so apple could promote the new 
sound -
Come and See
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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial audio, that’s 
> good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name of the playlist or an 
> additional tag?
> 
> Ronald
> 
>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
>> that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
>> variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files 
>> in your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play in 
>> this format.
>> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
>> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
>> certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play the 
>> spatial audio.
>> Patrick 
>> Come and See
>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>>> already? 
>>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>>> Audio.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Ronald
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A Basic Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,
I am away and do not have access to my reference material. How does one access 
the Trash Folder on the Mac? I wish to delete a few files that I sent there. 
Thanks.
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The spacial audio is for the  AirPods I think.
I can use it with the AirPods max but I haven’t tried that yet..
/A

> 15 juni 2021 kl. 19:55 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> you won't see a Lossless option unless you are running macOS Big Sur 11.4 on 
> your Mac, or iOS/iPadOS 14.6 on your iPhone or iPad.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:35, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> On the Mac, while the music is playing, look in the LCD panel.  If the title 
> is Dolby Atmos, it will say so.  Similarly, in the Now Playing screen on your 
> iPhone, it will be announced by VO somewhere on that screen.  With respect to 
> Lossless, make sure that you’ve set your music app to play lossless audio in 
> Music Settings on iPhone, and Music Preferences, in the Playback tab on Mac.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Ronald van Rhijn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
>> already? 
>> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
>> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
>> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
>> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
>> Audio.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Ronald
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Re: A Basic Question

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

You can access it from the dock, VO-D.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: A Basic Question

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,
Thanks. That’s easy enough! Have a good day.
Best,

Les

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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I think so.  I too thought about this when I got stuck having migrated my 
data from the previous macbook air on which I used Alex whereas voiceover 
always defaults to uK Daniel as per location.  However it was taking so long, I 
thought it couldn’t have been the case.  But maybe…. Anyway, it’s too late now 
as everything went pear-shaped.  I was on the phone with 4 different Apple 
support people and they couldn’t get the macbook to erase the volume in order 
to reinstall macos Big Sur.  In the end all was lost and volumes disappeared.  
So I’m sending it back to Apple to be replaced.  Once the replacement’s 
arrived, I will set it up as new and won’t migrate any data.  I will try and do 
it manually.  I’m exhausted. :)

Andrew
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 23:17, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering, what voice are you using for voiceover? Were using one that 
> had to be downloaded?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 4:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
 to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
 can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
 person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
 now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
 just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
 voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
 this business now.  Surely these things should work?
 
 Andrew 
 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Donna, I’m sorry to say I’ve had to return the macbook air to be 
replaced.  Trying to erase the macintosh hd, and as you said, the OS couldn’t 
be reinstalled.  What a horrible journey.  Sleepless night and I’m in turmoil.

Thanks again - glad not to be the only one. :)

Andrew
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 22:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Andrew,
> 
> This is exactly what happened to me on my first Mac that I ended up returning.
> 
> Be careful about reinstalling the operating system.  When I tried to do that, 
> for the very same reason you are thinking about it, I erased the disk, but 
> then received an error message that the operating system could not be 
> reinstalled.  When I googled it, I learned that this was a known problem that 
> occurred on some Macs.  I would encourage you to try everything else before 
> erasing and reinstalling the OS.
> Good luck,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 3:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
 to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
 can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
 person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
 now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
 just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
 voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
 this business now.  Surely these things should work?
 
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Re: Lossless Apple Music

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

As far as I can tell, if you’re listening to the Apple Music version of a 
title, it will be lossless if you’ve set your device to play lossless.  There 
are other considerations as well.  See this article:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183

Also, for an interesting read on the whole lossless, spacial audio realm, check 
out the article below:

https://www.gsmarena.com/understanding_lossless_highresolution_and_spatial_audio-news-49490.php

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Will do., although lossless is most important to me. 
> 
> thanks,
> Ronald
> 
> 
>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:57 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Ronald,
>> 
>> In the Music app, in Apple Music, select the Browse tab.  If your device 
>> supports it, there are spacial audio playlists there for you to check out.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Ronald van Rhijn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> 
>>> Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial audio, 
>>> that’s good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name of the playlist 
>>> or an additional tag?
>>> 
>>> Ronald
>>> 
 Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford >>> > het volgende geschreven:
 
 Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by Apple 
 that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists cover a wide 
 variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you select lossless files 
 in your preferences all the music which has not been downloaded will play 
 in this format.
 The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot 
 appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I think 
 certain TV's. I have a surround sound system but sadly it will not play 
 the spatial audio.
 Patrick 
 Come and See
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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone using the lossless feature of Apple Music on Mac and/or iPhone 
> already? 
> I am curious if we can read which music is in lossless format with Voice 
> Over. And if so, where exactly is this info found. Perhaps its due to  me 
> still running Catalina, but I never hear any info about lossless quality 
> when browsing the Apple Music library. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/Spatial 
> Audio.
> 
> thanks,
> Ronald
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I feel your pain.

For what it’s worth, once your new Mac gets there, you will enjoy it.  Sorry 
you had to go through this, I know well how frustrating it is.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I think so.  I too thought about this when I got stuck having migrated 
> my data from the previous macbook air on which I used Alex whereas voiceover 
> always defaults to uK Daniel as per location.  However it was taking so long, 
> I thought it couldn’t have been the case.  But maybe…. Anyway, it’s too late 
> now as everything went pear-shaped.  I was on the phone with 4 different 
> Apple support people and they couldn’t get the macbook to erase the volume in 
> order to reinstall macos Big Sur.  In the end all was lost and volumes 
> disappeared.  So I’m sending it back to Apple to be replaced.  Once the 
> replacement’s arrived, I will set it up as new and won’t migrate any data.  I 
> will try and do it manually.  I’m exhausted. :)
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 23:17, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m wondering, what voice are you using for voiceover? Were using one that 
>> had to be downloaded?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 4:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>>> angry.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your swift response.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
 On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
 key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
 
 If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
 the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
 all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
 
 I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
 that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
 behaving like you’ve explained.
 
 I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
 anything similar happen to me.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
> to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
> can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
> person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
> now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
> just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
> voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am 
> hating this business now.  Surely these things should work?
> 
> Andrew 
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Re: A Basic Question

[Lorie McCloud]

if it's on the dock you can press vo-d to get to the doc and then type tr. that 
should. put you there.

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:21 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> I am away and do not have access to my reference material. How does one 
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Re: A Basic Question

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Also, if you're on the finder, you can empty the trash by pressing 
Command+Shift+Delete. No need of going to the dock and emptying it there. HTH.

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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> if it's on the dock you can press vo-d to get to the doc and then type tr. 
> that should. put you there.
> 
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>> I am away and do not have access to my reference material. How does one 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Andrew,
I am sorry you have had to go through this experience. I have a couple of 
suggestions when you get your replacement machine. By default, the function 
keys control Media features. Function Key 11 and Function key 12 control 
volume. So that’s a quick way to decrease or increase volume. I actually prefer 
this method over using the VO keys, as I find I get louder volume using the 
function keys. I recently learned about a Bluetooth/USB keyboard. It’s the 
Logitech K860. It has command, control and option keys on both sides. I have 
been using the Crossover move, and that’s gotten annoying in a hurry. The Caps 
Lock Key can also be used for the VO keys. What separates this keyboard is that 
to the right of the F12 key is a toggle key. This toggles the function keys 
between Media and standard function keys. In my opinion, that’s a game changer, 
as I can have the best of both worlds by using one key as the Function Key 
toggle Hopefully, you will have a smoother transition when you get your 
replacement unit. Best of luck.
Best Regards,

Les

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes, I think so.  I too thought about this when I got stuck having migrated 
> my data from the previous macbook air on which I used Alex whereas voiceover 
> always defaults to uK Daniel as per location.  However it was taking so long, 
> I thought it couldn’t have been the case.  But maybe…. Anyway, it’s too late 
> now as everything went pear-shaped.  I was on the phone with 4 different 
> Apple support people and they couldn’t get the macbook to erase the volume in 
> order to reinstall macos Big Sur.  In the end all was lost and volumes 
> disappeared.  So I’m sending it back to Apple to be replaced.  Once the 
> replacement’s arrived, I will set it up as new and won’t migrate any data.  I 
> will try and do it manually.  I’m exhausted. :)
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 23:17, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m wondering, what voice are you using for voiceover? Were using one that 
>> had to be downloaded?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 4:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>>> angry.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your swift response.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
 On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
 key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
 
 If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
 the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
 all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
 
 I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
 that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
 behaving like you’ve explained.
 
 I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
 anything similar happen to me.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
> to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
> can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
> person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
> now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
> just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
> voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am 
> hating this business now.  Surely these things should work?
> 
> Andrew 
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Time machine on M1 Mac?

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Hi all,

I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But I 
have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I found 
it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, not to 
backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new Macs?
TIA,
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But I 
> have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new Macs?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

[Agent086b]

Hi,
could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an M1 
Mac later in the year and any info will help.
Max.

> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>> Macs?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  The 
tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but when I 
did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I accessed it 
from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure the disk, and 
Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System Prefs, and you should 
be good to go.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi,
> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
> Max.
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>>> Macs?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

There is no difference when using time machine to back up an M1 Mac versus any 
other Mac. You need to go to System  Preferences, Time Machine, then set it up 
there.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi,
> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
> Max.
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
 On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>>> Macs?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to the 
Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine app 
in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you explained.  
When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate way of getting 
there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and selecting “Enter Time 
Machine”.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  The 
> tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but when I 
> did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I accessed it 
> from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure the disk, and 
> Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System Prefs, and you 
> should be good to go.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
>> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
 But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
 menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to 
 Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up 
 the new Macs?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim,

Interesting. I don’t remember ever having to set it up to show in the Extras 
menu.  But prior to this Mac, I’ve always migrated my data using Time Machine, 
so it may be that I set it up on my first Mac and that option was just moved 
forward in the migration process.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to the 
> Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
> Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine 
> app in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you 
> explained.  When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate 
> way of getting there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and 
> selecting “Enter Time Machine”.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  
>> The tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but 
>> when I did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I 
>> accessed it from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure 
>> the disk, and Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System 
>> Prefs, and you should be good to go.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
>>> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>>> Max.
>>> 
 On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option 
> to Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back 
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> TIA,
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

It probably was the default to be in the Extras Menu in the past. It is just 
not the default anymore in Big Sur.

Later…


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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:42 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Tim,
> 
> Interesting. I don’t remember ever having to set it up to show in the Extras 
> menu.  But prior to this Mac, I’ve always migrated my data using Time 
> Machine, so it may be that I set it up on my first Mac and that option was 
> just moved forward in the migration process.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to 
>> the Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in 
>> System Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time 
>> Machine app in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you 
>> explained.  When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate 
>> way of getting there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and 
>> selecting “Enter Time Machine”.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
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>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  
>>> The tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but 
>>> when I did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I 
>>> accessed it from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure 
>>> the disk, and Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System 
>>> Prefs, and you should be good to go.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing 
 an M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
 Max.
 
> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
>> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
>> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option 
>> to Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to 
>> back up the new Macs?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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