Emoji's on the Mac?

['Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries]

Ok, so I am doing the control, command spacebar to bring up the emojis’, but 
when I select a category it selects the 1st one, instead of letting me pick 1 
from the table,  what is the secret to this?

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Re: Emoji's on the Mac?

[Jessica Moss]

I actually noticed that as well, and was wondering if I was doing something 
wrong, sense I couldn’t seem to figure out how to simply select one.

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 8:56 AM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Ok, so I am doing the control, command spacebar to bring up the emojis’, but 
> when I select a category it selects the 1st one, instead of letting me pick 1 
> from the table,  what is the secret to this?
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Re: Emoji's on the Mac?

[Brandon Olivares]

I don’t get exactly what you are doing? I just have to interact with the 
category name and I see all the emojis there.

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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I actually noticed that as well, and was wondering if I was doing something 
> wrong, sense I couldn’t seem to figure out how to simply select one.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 8:56 AM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, so I am doing the control, command spacebar to bring up the emojis’, but 
>> when I select a category it selects the 1st one, instead of letting me pick 
>> 1 from the table,  what is the secret to this?
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Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” when 
I try to read a message. 
I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all messages 
in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press VO+J to 
read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple Mail 
distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to display 
the message text. It instead displays the message header and then keeps saying 
“busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually fix the 
problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I think this 
may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am trying to 
read the chosen message. 
This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
my Mail preferences?
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Brad Snyder]

This is not a new issue, and is not unique to Big Sur.  I currently experience 
this on Catalina, and other versions of macOS and iOS going back a while.
I believe this is a server-side issue, and not anything you can do about it.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 12:31, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello,
I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” when 
I try to read a message. 
I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all messages 
in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press VO+J to 
read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple Mail 
distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to display 
the message text. It instead displays the message header and then keeps saying 
“busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually fix the 
problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I think this 
may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am trying to 
read the chosen message. 
This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
my Mail preferences?
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Eric Oyen]

I have only encountered this on occasion. I don’t use the VO+J command. I 
simply go to the message of interest and read it directly. And yes, I am 
running latest version of Catalina (system updated today in fact). Mail does 
sometimes hang whenever the server gets too busy. Also, if trying to load 
images or URL’s from online sources, mail can get a bit dicey. I turned off 
loading of images and outside URL’s to minimize this problem.

Btw, here is my system specs just for interest:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac mini
  Model Identifier: Macmini6,1
  Processor Name:   Dual-Core Intel Core i5
  Processor Speed:  2.5 GHz
  Number of Processors: 1
  Total Number of Cores:2
  L2 Cache (per Core):  256 KB
  L3 Cache: 3 MB
  Hyper-Threading Technology:   Enabled
  Memory:   8 GB
  Boot ROM Version: 421.0.0.0.0
  SMC Version (system): 2.7f0
  Serial Number (system):   C07JCYD5DWYL
  Hardware UUID:EA38BF4D-C66A-5630-BD01-495716CEB60B

System Software Overview:

  System Version:   macOS 10.15.7 (19H524)
  Kernel Version:   Darwin 19.6.0
  Boot Volume:  MacMini
  Boot Mode:Normal
  Computer Name:EvilDead
  User Name:proudhawk (proudhawk)
  Secure Virtual Memory:Enabled
  System Integrity Protection:  Enabled
  Time since boot:  24 minutes


-Eric


> On Feb 9, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> This is not a new issue, and is not unique to Big Sur.  I currently 
> experience this on Catalina, and other versions of macOS and iOS going back a 
> while.
> I believe this is a server-side issue, and not anything you can do about it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 12:31, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” 
> when I try to read a message. 
> I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all 
> messages in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press 
> VO+J to read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple 
> Mail distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to 
> display the message text. It instead displays the message header and then 
> keeps saying “busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually 
> fix the problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I 
> think this may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am 
> trying to read the chosen message. 
> This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
> Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
> my Mail preferences?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Patrick Ford]

Hi everyone,
I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri to 
turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do not 
get any reply. 
How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
Thanks.
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Pete Nalda]

Are you holding down the home button?  About 2 seconds in you should hear a 
tone. Then say “Turn VoiceOver On!” 

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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri to 
> turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do not 
> get any reply. 
> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Patrick Ford]

Hi, thanks for replying. Yeah I hold it down but I do not get anything - no 
sound  or anything - the only sound I get is when I plugged it in to charge - 
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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Are you holding down the home button?  About 2 seconds in you should hear a 
> tone. Then say “Turn VoiceOver On!” 
> 
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri to 
>> turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do not 
>> get any reply. 
>> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
>> Thanks.
>> Patrick 
>> 
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

['Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.
Turn on VoiceOver at set up with a triple click of the home button. I do not 
believe that Siri works at set up.


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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 15:53, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri to 
> turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do not 
> get any reply. 
> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Patrick Ford]

Hey wow great that did it - you know, if you can help with this now - I believe 
I just chose a wrong language by accident - I cannot find english but now it is 
only speaking I think Portuguese  …how can I get english? thanks so much for 
your time ...
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> Turn on VoiceOver at set up with a triple click of the home button. I do not 
> believe that Siri works at set up.
> 
> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens,
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> 
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 15:53, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri to 
>> turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do not 
>> get any reply. 
>> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
>> Thanks.
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

['Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.
So it will go around languages, and once you hear the word hello in English do 
a single finger double tap.

> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens,
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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 16:09, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Hey wow great that did it - you know, if you can help with this now - I 
> believe I just chose a wrong language by accident - I cannot find english but 
> now it is only speaking I think Portuguese  …how can I get english? thanks so 
> much for your time ...
> Come and See
> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io 
> 
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 4:05 PM, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> Turn on VoiceOver at set up with a triple click of the home button. I do not 
>> believe that Siri works at set up.
>> 
>> 
>>> God bless.
>>> Matthew Dierckens,
>>> Certified assistive technology specialist
>>> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 15:53, Patrick Ford >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri 
>>> to turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do 
>>> not get any reply. 
>>> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Patrick 
>>> 
>>> Come and See
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Terminal copy file command help needed

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I need help with this terminal copy file command.
I need it to overwrite the existing file in the destination.

cp ~ % /Users/robert/Documents/Time\ Of\ Day.applescript 
~/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/

Every time Mac OS updates, it replaces this file that I customized.

Thank you,
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Pete Nalda]

Sorry! I’d forgotten about triple clicking ;p

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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Hi, thanks for replying. Yeah I hold it down but I do not get anything - no 
> sound  or anything - the only sound I get is when I plugged it in to charge - 
> Patrick 
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you holding down the home button?  About 2 seconds in you should hear a 
>> tone. Then say “Turn VoiceOver On!” 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>> 
 On Feb 9, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri 
>>> to turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I do 
>>> not get any reply. 
>>> How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Patrick 
>>> 
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Re: Terminal copy file command help needed

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I would be surprised if the version in your home directory is being 
replaced, but I have no proof one way or the other. Th
First, the location of the script does not matter much if you are executing it 
with VoiceOver commanders, when you open the commander preferences you should 
be able to open a  dialog to pick the location of the script to run. 
Second, if you want, you can save the script as a "application" and then store 
it in ~/Applications. 
Third, I wasn't sure  exactly what you were requesting. Do you want a rsync 
type protocol to automatically push the script to your Library scripts 
directory on login?

I'll be glad to help with any specifics.
Jonathan



> On Feb 9, 2021, at 16:18, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear List,
> I need help with this terminal copy file command.
> I need it to overwrite the existing file in the destination.
> 
> cp ~ % /Users/robert/Documents/Time\ Of\ Day.applescript 
> ~/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/
> 
> Every time Mac OS updates, it replaces this file that I customized.
> 
> Thank you,
> Robert
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Patrick Ford]

Thank you very much. Yeah that worked. I did mess up a bit but have it pretty 
much set up now - thanks for your help and time I really appreciate it.
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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 4:11 PM, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi.
> So it will go around languages, and once you hear the word hello in English 
> do a single finger double tap.
> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens,
>> Certified assistive technology specialist
>> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 16:09, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey wow great that did it - you know, if you can help with this now - I 
>> believe I just chose a wrong language by accident - I cannot find english 
>> but now it is only speaking I think Portuguese  …how can I get english? 
>> thanks so much for your time ...
>> Come and See
>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io 
>> 
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>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 4:05 PM, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Turn on VoiceOver at set up with a triple click of the home button. I do 
>>> not believe that Siri works at set up.
>>> 
>>> 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens,
 Certified assistive technology specialist
 Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2021, at 15:53, Patrick Ford >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri 
 to turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I 
 do not get any reply. 
 How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
 Thanks.
 Patrick 
 
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Re: iPhone SE 2020 out of the box

[Patrick Ford]

oh ok - it all worked out so thank you ...
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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
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> Sorry! I’d forgotten about triple clicking ;p
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, thanks for replying. Yeah I hold it down but I do not get anything - no 
>> sound  or anything - the only sound I get is when I plugged it in to charge 
>> - 
>> Patrick 
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>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you holding down the home button?  About 2 seconds in you should hear a 
>>> tone. Then say “Turn VoiceOver On!” 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I’ve never used an iPhone and was hoping out of the box I could use Serri 
 to turn on voice over and begin set up. But when I press the home key, I 
 do not get any reply. 
 How do I turn on voice over right out of the box to begin set up?
 Thanks.
 Patrick 
 
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Re: Terminal copy file command help needed

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I was looking for a way to copy the file from documents to 
HD\Library\scripts\VoiceOver\
But maybe terminal is not the way to go, I like your suggestion of using a 
apple script and save it as a app.
I modified the time of day script to speak the time followed by month day & 
year, but after every OS software update, it reverts back to speaking the month 
day followed by the time.
To fix it, I have to  opened the documents folder and copied the modified 
script then goto the script folder and pasted it to overwrite the file that was 
there.
I hope I didn’t confuse you.
I just wanted a quick easy automated way to do this after updating the OS.

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> cp ~ % /Users/robert/Documents/Time\ Of\ Day.applescript 
>> ~/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/

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VoiceOver Command to align the text left?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

May I know the VO command for left-aligning the text, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: VoiceOver Command to align the text left?

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Command Left Brace.

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:04, Fazil  wrote:
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A VoiceOver Command?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group!

What does this command do, please?

VO-shift-backslash.

Thanks!

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Re: VoiceOver Command to align the text left?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 9/2/21 7:04 pm, Fazil wrote:

May I know the VO command for left-aligning the text, please?


There isn't one, but the application you're using (e.g., text editor or 
word processor) probably has such a command.



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RE: VoiceOver Command to align the text left?

[Fazil]

Is Left Brace shift left bracket?

Thanks!

 

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Command Left Brace.





On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:04, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

May I know the VO command for left-aligning the text, please?

Thanks!

 

 

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Re: VoiceOver Command to align the text left?

[Herbie Allen]

Yes

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:39, Fazil  wrote:
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> Is Left Brace shift left bracket?
> Thanks!
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> Command Left Brace.
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Re: Terminal copy file command help needed

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 9/2/21 4:18 pm, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I need help with this terminal copy file command.
I need it to overwrite the existing file in the destination.

cp ~ % /Users/robert/Documents/Time\ Of\ Day.applescript 
~/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/

That appears to me to be the wrong command syntax.

The proper syntax is cp source-file destination-file-or-directory

See the manual page or any good UNIX tutorial. There are numerous 
options, for example to copy an entire directory hierarchy recursively.



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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 9/2/21 1:31 pm, Paul Hopewell wrote:

I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” when 
I try to read a message.


I've heard that VoiceOver performance is much better on M1-based 
machines, and that "busy" messages don't occur in situations in which 
they do happen on Intel-based systems.


Since I haven't yet made the upgrade, I can't comment based on experience.

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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

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Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.

Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.

All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.

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On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!

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RE: A VoiceOver Command?

[Fazil]

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.

Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?

Thanks!

 

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Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.

 

Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.

For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.

 

All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

What does this command do, please?

VO-shift-backslash.

Thanks!

 

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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t have this issue.
But have you tried the re-build function in the mail app.
I am not sure where in the menus it is but there should be a re-build feature 
there.
This removes caches and such I think.
/A

> 9 feb. 2021 kl. 19:31 skrev Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” 
> when I try to read a message. 
> I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all 
> messages in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press 
> VO+J to read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple 
> Mail distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to 
> display the message text. It instead displays the message header and then 
> keeps saying “busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually 
> fix the problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I 
> think this may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am 
> trying to read the chosen message. 
> This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
> Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
> my Mail preferences?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

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I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil  wrote:

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Brad Snyder]

In the Mail app, the Rebuild function can be found by going to MenuBar . 
Mailbox.  The Rebuild function is the last item in the menu.

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On Feb 9, 2021, at 21:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I don’t have this issue.
But have you tried the re-build function in the mail app.
I am not sure where in the menus it is but there should be a re-build feature 
there.
This removes caches and such I think.
/A

> 9 feb. 2021 kl. 19:31 skrev Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” 
> when I try to read a message. 
> I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all 
> messages in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press 
> VO+J to read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple 
> Mail distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to 
> display the message text. It instead displays the message header and then 
> keeps saying “busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually 
> fix the problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I 
> think this may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am 
> trying to read the chosen message. 
> This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
> Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
> my Mail preferences?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Brad Snyder]

OK, I found it.
When in both the TextEdit and Mail apps, and probably Pages as well, the 
keyboard command CMD + PlusSign, will increase the Font size.
The keyboard command CMD + MinusSign, will do the opposite, and decrease Font 
size.
Adding the Shift key to either command, doesn’t change what the command does.

I should have known this to begin with.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:04, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Brad Snyder]

BTW - this is not a VoiceOver command.  It is a regular application specific 
keyboard command.
Pressing this command with VoiceOver keyboard help on, will provide no feedback.

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On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:33, Brad Snyder  wrote:

OK, I found it.
When in both the TextEdit and Mail apps, and probably Pages as well, the 
keyboard command CMD + PlusSign, will increase the Font size.
The keyboard command CMD + MinusSign, will do the opposite, and decrease Font 
size.
Adding the Shift key to either command, doesn’t change what the command does.

I should have known this to begin with.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:04, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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RE: A VoiceOver Command?

[Fazil]

What I meant is:

Command+VerticalLine,

Isn’t VerticalLine Shift+BackSlash?

Thanks!

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

 

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.

When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

 

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.

Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?

Thanks!

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.

 

Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.

For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.

 

All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

What does this command do, please?

VO-shift-backslash.

Thanks!

 

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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Brad Snyder]

Yes.  holding down Shift and pressing \, will do the | character.
Pressing CMD + |, will center text in TextEdit, Mail and Pages.

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On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:46, Fazil  wrote:

What I meant is:
Command+VerticalLine,
Isn’t VerticalLine Shift+BackSlash?

Thanks!

 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.
 
Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.
 
A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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RE: A VoiceOver Command?

[Fazil]

How do you get a plus sign, isn’t it shift plus equal key?

How would I get command-vertical line?

Is it command plus shift plus equal key?

Thanks and sorry if I sound vague.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

Yes.  holding down Shift and pressing \, will do the | character.

Pressing CMD + |, will center text in TextEdit, Mail and Pages.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:46, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

What I meant is:

Command+VerticalLine,

Isn’t VerticalLine Shift+BackSlash?

Thanks!

 

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:05 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

 

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.

When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

 

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.

Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?

Thanks!

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.

 

Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.

For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.

 

All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

What does this command do, please?

VO-shift-backslash.

Thanks!

 

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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Brad Snyder]

Plus-sign is Shift + Equal, located immediately to the left of the Backspace 
key.
You already had it correct, that the | is Shift + \.

- Brad -


On Feb 9, 2021, at 23:26, Fazil  wrote:

How do you get a plus sign, isn’t it shift plus equal key?
How would I get command-vertical line?
Is it command plus shift plus equal key?
Thanks and sorry if I sound vague.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Yes.  holding down Shift and pressing \, will do the | character.
Pressing CMD + |, will center text in TextEdit, Mail and Pages.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:46, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
What I meant is:
Command+VerticalLine,
Isn’t VerticalLine Shift+BackSlash?
Thanks!
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.
 
Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.
 
A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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RE: A VoiceOver Command?

[Fazil]

Isn’t it VO plus and Vo-Minus to increase and decrease font size?

 

Thanks!

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

OK, I found it.

When in both the TextEdit and Mail apps, and probably Pages as well, the 
keyboard command CMD + PlusSign, will increase the Font size.

The keyboard command CMD + MinusSign, will do the opposite, and decrease Font 
size.

Adding the Shift key to either command, doesn’t change what the command does.

 

I should have known this to begin with.


- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:04, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.

 

Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.

When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.

 

A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.

Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?

Thanks!

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?

 

Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.

 

Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.

For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.

 

All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.

 

- Brad -

 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

What does this command do, please?

VO-shift-backslash.

Thanks!

 

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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Dave Carlson]

No, CMD+ and CMD- They are not specific voiceover commands. They are Mac 
keyboard commands.

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Feb 9, 2021, at 10:17 PM, Fazil  wrote:

Isn’t it VO plus and Vo-Minus to increase and decrease font size?
 
Thanks!
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
OK, I found it.
When in both the TextEdit and Mail apps, and probably Pages as well, the 
keyboard command CMD + PlusSign, will increase the Font size.
The keyboard command CMD + MinusSign, will do the opposite, and decrease Font 
size.
Adding the Shift key to either command, doesn’t change what the command does.
 
I should have known this to begin with.

- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:04, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
 
I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.
 
Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.
 
A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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Frustrating combo boxes

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hi all,

Whenever I try to schedule a zoom  meeting on the zoom website, the date combo 
and the time combo are sources of ongoing frustration!
Each time I try to edit either, it never registers.

Not sure how to change the outcome. Interacting doesn’t work. Directly entering 
the appropriate entries neither.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Kerry

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Re: A VoiceOver Command?

[Brad Snyder]

No.  On Macs running macOS 10.12 Sierra, and newer versions of the OS, VO + the 
Plus sign, will increase the system volume, and VO + minus will decrease 
volume. 

- Brad -


On Feb 10, 2021, at 00:17, Fazil  wrote:

Isn’t it VO plus and Vo-Minus to increase and decrease font size?
 
Thanks!
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 8:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
OK, I found it.
When in both the TextEdit and Mail apps, and probably Pages as well, the 
keyboard command CMD + PlusSign, will increase the Font size.
The keyboard command CMD + MinusSign, will do the opposite, and decrease Font 
size.
Adding the Shift key to either command, doesn’t change what the command does.
 
I should have known this to begin with.

- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 22:04, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
 
I don’t believe that the keyboard command CMD + Shift + Plus-sign does anything.
 
Your earlier email asked what the command VO + \ does.
When using Keyboard help, you are told VO + \, opens/closes a disclosure 
triangle.
 
A disclosure triangle is used to show/hide additional information for a 
dialogue box element, such as the Location item in a Save As dialogue.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 20:52, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Thanks much, actually, I tried to find the answer in Keyboard help but the 
problem is that my Apple Magic does not reliably identify/recognize the 
key-combination. It is very quick to announce the individual keys.
Having said all this, may I know what does command-shift-+ do?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A VoiceOver Command?
 
Rather than posting a question to the list, you can use VO + K, to turn on 
Keyboard Help, which will tell you what a keyboard command does.
 
Additionally, if you go to the Menu bar in any application, and go through the 
pull down menus, you will find many keyboard commands for various actions 
listed along with the menu item for the action.
For example, when using TextEdit, if you go to the Menu bar, and open the 
Format menu, you will find keyboard commands for Text Alignment listed in the 
Text submenu.  The same is true when using Mail, however in the Format menu, 
you will find Text Alignment in the Alignment submenu.
 
All it takes is a little investigating and using your problem solving skills, 
and you will learn to find the answers to most of your questions on your own.
 
- Brad -

 
On Feb 9, 2021, at 18:13, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group!
What does this command do, please?
VO-shift-backslash.
Thanks!
 
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