Selling freedom scientific focus 40 Braille Display

2020-12-30 Thread muhammad babar Shahzad 
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Re: Recovering data from iPads

2020-12-30 Thread Michael Busboom 
Hello.

Thanks so much for your feedback, everyone and Eileen,
 I am sorry that you lost your husband.

After speaking with my friend’s brother-in-law and going through some records,I 
now have the Apple user ID and password.  Unfortunately, neither my friend’s 
brother-in-law, John, nor I could find the unlock code for either iPad.  I like 
the idea of going to the Apple store, along with a copy of my friend’s death 
certificate and see if I get any further.  That can wait, however, since the 
lockdown has most likely closed the Apple Store here in Vienna.

Again, my sincerest thanks to all of you, and may all of us have a happier new 
year!

Mike 
> On 29.12.2020, at 22:57, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
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> Michael,
>  
> I am not sure what your solution might be, but you have one thing on your 
> side which is you at least know the Apple Id. If you try doing a reset on 
> either the password or passcode the device might send a text message to 
> confirm the change. The question is where will it send that code – if its one 
> of the locked devices then you’re still in the same problem. Have you tried 
> calling Apple accessibility to see what they might suggest.
>  
> Apple was helpful to me when my husband passed, but then I knew the codes to 
> his Apple stuff.
>  
> Eileen
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:03 AM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries <>
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> Recently a very close friend of mine died, and I inherited two iPads that he 
> and his wife owned.  One of the iPads is three years old, and the other is 
> five or six years old.  On one of the iPads, there are apparently a lot of 
> pictures that family members would like to have, provided I can gain access 
> to them and send them.
> 
> Here are my problems and questions:
> 
> Although I have the Apple user IDs for the iPads, I do not have the passwords 
> or unlock codes.  Since I didn’t know that I would one day be getting the 
> iPads, I never asked for them, prior to my friend’s death  Is there any way 
> for me to recover their pictures?
> 
> If there is no way to gain access to the content of these iPads, how do I do 
> a complete reset and start setting them up for my own personal use, using my 
> current Apple ID?  I have never done a complete restore to an iPad, but I do 
> back up my iPhone to the Cloud regularly.  If someone can refer me to a 
> podcast that addresses these issues, that’d be great.
> 
> With gratitude for any thoughts and best wishes for 2021,
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> Mike 
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Is it possible to watch iTunes movies on a Samsung smart TV if you don’t have an Apple TV?

2020-12-30 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Hi all,

My parents are older, so if I can, I’d like to avoid bringing an Apple TV into 
this loop. They have a Samsung smart TV, and an Apple ID, as they both have 
iphones. I would like to be able to gift them movies through iTunes and have 
them watch them on their Samsung smart TV. Is this possible? Or would they need 
to get an Apple TV in order to watch iTunes movies?

Thanks for any and all advice on this.
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Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread Steve Matzura 

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
(double-VO+F2)?



The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from 
the way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is 
the ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly 
restore something, and the Restore button is dimmed.



Anyone else finding what I'm finding?


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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread Dave Carlson 
Steve,
As to seeing TM in the Extras menu, is there a checkbox in TM preferences that 
needs to be selected?

Dave Carlson
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On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?


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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread Steve Matzura 
Hot dog! You nailed it! I forgot to look in System Preferences, but like 
the song says, oops, there it is!



On 12/30/2020 11:38 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Steve,
As to seeing TM in the Extras menu, is there a checkbox in TM preferences that 
needs to be selected?

Dave Carlson
  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?




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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar 
to a DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.


On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the 
same as what JAWS offers.

Karen, Samantha.
One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
pitch and intonation.
My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
HTH
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen > wrote:


Hi Shawn,
Thanks for that information.
My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique 
secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One 
that does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst 
create something a bit like a Cesar.
My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which 
made me rather sick indeed.
for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital 
dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer 
than software strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my 
medical team.
What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information 
anything that might hint at quality before I try.
I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for 
other reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or more 
options just in the regular non-siri voices.

Thanks,
Karen




On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. 
Bells basically talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather 
clock. There are other novelty voices that I'm not going to get 
indepth about because it'll take all night to do so. But I can tell 
you one voice I'm glad they finally let us use on the Mac. We can 
now use Siri voices. They added those voices in Catalina and they 
can be used in Big Sur as well.


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On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:


What defines a voice as useless?
I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go 
down the list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the 
options? Clarity  is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly 
on the mac.

Thanks so much,



On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, and of those 
at least 10 or totally useless. Generally they’re marked them as 
different genders and sometimes is a compact and a non-compact 
version. One example of a totally useless one, is the bells voice 
that was around since macOS eight or possibly seven.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:


 Jonathan,
Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice 
distinctive from each   other besides the name.

That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
Karen




On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as 
downloads from Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the 
Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in 
the pop-up list this will be "customize".
Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each 
voice has a checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be 
enabled for use in VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a 
play, cancel, and a OK button. The Play button lets you hear a 
sample of the selected voice. The OK button accepts any changes 
and requests System Utility to download the new voices the next 
time it checks for updates.


 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook 
mailto:westbch...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there 
additional voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like 
Fred's voice, but he doesn't speak clearly. haha.


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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread John Panarese 
  If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually look 
at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there. 

As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused on a 
folder in Finder.


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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
> 
> 
> Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
> Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
> window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?
> 
> 
> The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
> it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability 
> to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, 
> and the Restore button is dimmed.
> 
> 
> Anyone else finding what I'm finding?
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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread Steve Matzura 
To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or 
a user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM 
can get confused if something else gains control of its index structure.



To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. 
But try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If 
you don't get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting 
somewhere. VoiceOver does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but 
not limited to, not allowing you into the menus, and needing to access 
the Time Machine dialog via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's 
Apple's way of saying "ah ah, don't go there." LOL.



On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually look 
at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.

 As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused on a 
folder in Finder.


Take Care

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On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?




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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-30 Thread Brett Lewis 
Hi All:
Just a note on voices.
I was taking a programming class for work a couple of weeks ago and I
was using the Tom voice on my mac.
One of the functions we used was
.toSeq
Tom insisted on calling this "to the following" which was really confusing.
I have no idea why the strange pronunciation.
I switched back to Alex and things are less confusing.
Just FYI,
Brett


On 12/30/20, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar
> to a DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.
>
> On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the
>> same as what JAWS offers.
>> Karen, Samantha.
>> One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
>> pitch and intonation.
>> My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
>> HTH
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>> Thanks for that information.
>>> My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique
>>> secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One
>>> that does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst
>>> create something a bit like a Cesar.
>>> My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which
>>> made me rather sick indeed.
>>> for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital
>>> dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer
>>> than software strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my
>>> medical team.
>>> What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information
>>> anything that might hint at quality before I try.
>>> I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for
>>> other reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or more
>>> options just in the regular non-siri voices.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>
 Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes.
 Bells basically talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather
 clock. There are other novelty voices that I'm not going to get
 indepth about because it'll take all night to do so. But I can tell
 you one voice I'm glad they finally let us use on the Mac. We can
 now use Siri voices. They added those voices in Catalina and they
 can be used in Big Sur as well.

 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts,
 Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send
 me a private email with your contact information and the group you
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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen
> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>
> What defines a voice as useless?
> I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
> Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go
> down the list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the
> options? Clarity  is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly
> on the mac.
> Thanks so much,
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, and of those
>> at least 10 or totally useless. Generally they’re marked them as
>> different genders and sometimes is a compact and a non-compact
>> version. One example of a totally useless one, is the bells voice
>> that was around since macOS eight or possibly seven.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen
>>> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Jonathan,
>>> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
>>> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
>>> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice
>>> distinctive from each   other besides the name.
>>> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

 There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as
 downloads from Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the
 Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in
 the pop-up list this will be "customize".
 Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each
 voice has a checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be
 enabled for use in VoiceOver. After the list

confused with pages

2020-12-30 Thread Chris Westbrook 
I am confused when I try to open a docs file in pages. I seem to have a
document layout area that shows all of the pages, but I can't seem to edit
text in that. I opened the document in text edit and it read fine as
expected. Is there a good tutorial on pages or is there something I'm
missing? Thanks for helping me on my mac adventure.

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Contacts not transferring from Mac to iPhone

2020-12-30 Thread Agent086b 
Hi all,
I created a contact on my Mac yesterday. Problem is it will not transfer to my 
iPhone. Both the Mac and iPhone are on the same network and logged in to 
iCloud. I am sure in the past I have done this with no problems. 
Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread John Panarese 
   I don’t know how it worked for you in the past, but opening TM from the 
applications menu does the same thing as it always has for me. It opens the 
interface, but you need the Window Chooser menu to get to the TM controls. The 
only oddity I am currently seeing is VO doesn’t seem to interact properly with 
the time line. I need to do some more investigating of this.

   As for opening Time Machine from the Finder, this can only be a problem if 
you are heavily manipulating files and folders haphazardly. As long as you are 
careful and you know exactly what it is you are trying to access, there are no 
issues. I’ve access my backups through the Finder interface for years and have 
never had any problems. It’s certainly a valid approach and is stated in the 
ACSP training materials as a way to access Time Machine effectively.


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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or a 
> user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM can get 
> confused if something else gains control of its index structure.
> 
> 
> To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. But 
> try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If you don't 
> get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting somewhere. VoiceOver 
> does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but not limited to, not 
> allowing you into the menus, and needing to access the Time Machine dialog 
> via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's Apple's way of saying "ah ah, 
> don't go there." LOL.
> 
> 
> On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually 
>> look at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.
>> 
>> As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
>> just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused 
>> on a folder in Finder.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
>>> Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
>>> window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
>>> (double-VO+F2)?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the 
>>> way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the 
>>> ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore 
>>> something, and the Restore button is dimmed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else finding what I'm finding?
>> 
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Re: Night hawk app on the I Phone.

2020-12-30 Thread tim m 
Have both netgear apps on my phone for 2 different routers, and both are 
very usable with voiceover.


On 12/29/2020 3:57 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello.

Tomorrow it’s good bye to my AirPort Extreme as I have just acquired 
the *Nighthawk Tri-Band AX12 12-Stream AX WiFi Router.*

*
*
*I downloaded the Night Hawk app on my I phone and turned on the 
screen recognition to try and check the box for the terms and 
conditions but the box is not checking.*

*
*
*When I turn on the screen recognition, it plays havoc with all the 
apps on my I phone and I can’t use the phone unless I turn that screen 
recognition off.*

*
*
*I called Apple Accessibility and they are not convinced that the 
screen recognition is doing this as they say that can’t be so.    They 
just say turn the Recognition off.*

*
*
*I have no idea how I will use the Night Hawk app if I can’t get it to 
work.*

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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-30 Thread Karen Lewellen 

Hi Jason,
Thanks for that information, most helpful.  No reflection on Jonathan's 
comment  but having never used jaws, I do not see the relationship between 
them and frequency range.  My guess is that such would change when 
incorporated  into a new platform regardless.

Thanks All, we have a few more avenues to consider.
Karen



On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar to a 
DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.


On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

 I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the same
 as what JAWS offers.
 Karen, Samantha.
 One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
 pitch and intonation.
 My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
 HTH
 Jonathan

 Best wishes,

 Jonathan Cohn



>  On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen >  > wrote:
> 
>  Hi Shawn,

>  Thanks for that information.
>  My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather ??unique 
>  secondary ??disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use. ??One 
>  that does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst 
>  create something a bit like a Cesar.
>  My last try, in March, involved a siri voice ??on an Iphone, which made 
>  me rather sick indeed.
>  for the moment Hardware, gosh ??I wish someone had saved the digital 
>  dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer than 
>  software strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my medical 
>  team.
>  What I hoped for from the list ??was frequency related information 
>  anything that might hint at quality before I try.
>  I would ??not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for 
>  other reasons. ??Still, I imagine there are ??at least 20 or more 
>  options just in the regular non-siri voices.

>  Thanks,
>  Karen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> >  Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. Bells 
> >  basically talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather clock. 
> >  There are other novelty voices that I'm not going to get indepth about 
> >  because it'll take all night to do so. But I can tell you one voice 
> >  I'm glad they finally let us use on the Mac. We can now use Siri 
> >  voices. They added those voices in Catalina and they can be used in 
> >  Big Sur as well.
> > 
> >  Regards,

> >  Shawn,
> >  Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> > 
> >  Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, 
> >  Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me 
> >  a private email with your contact information and the group you wish 
> >  to join and I'll happily add you.
> > 
> >  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk

> >  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> > 
> > >  On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> > >  mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  What defines a voice as useless?

> > >  I suppose a voice named bells, ??is just a ringer not a talker?
> > >  Are the voices say for English first ??in the order, or must one go 
> > >  down the list ??finding non-English speaking voices mixed ??into the 
> > >  options? Clarity ??is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly 
> > >  on the mac.

> > >  Thanks so much,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > > 
> > > >  Well, I believe they???re only 40 English voice says, and of those 
> > > >  at least 10 or totally useless. Generally they???re marked them as 
> > > >  different genders and sometimes is a compact and a non-compact 
> > > >  version. One example of a totally useless one, is the bells voice 
> > > >  that was around since macOS eight or possibly seven.
> > > > 
> > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > 
> > > > >  On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> > > > >  mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  ??? Jonathan,
> > > > >  Do you know if any details about each voice is 
> > > > >  provided..anywhere?

> > > > >  Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
> > > > >  Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice 
> > > > >  distinctive from each other besides the name.

> > > > >  That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
> > > > >  Karen
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as 
> > > > > >  downloads from Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the 
> > > > > >  Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item 
> > > > > >  in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
> > > > > >  Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each 
> > > > > >  voice has a che

Re: additional voices?

2020-12-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Also, I don't know whether there's a difference in frequency range 
between the "compact" versions and the high-quality versions that are 
both available for some of the voices.


On 12/30/20 5:22 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Jason,
Thanks for that information, most helpful.  No reflection on 
Jonathan's comment  but having never used jaws, I do not see the 
relationship between them and frequency range.  My guess is that such 
would change when incorporated  into a new platform regardless.

Thanks All, we have a few more avenues to consider.
Karen



On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat 
similar to a DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.


On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are 
the same

 as what JAWS offers.
 Karen, Samantha.
 One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
 pitch and intonation.
 My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
 HTH
 Jonathan

 Best wishes,

 Jonathan Cohn



>  On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen 
 > wrote:

> >  Hi Shawn,
>  Thanks for that information.
>  My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather 
 unique >  secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to 
use.  One >  that does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy 
centres, or at worst >  create something a bit like a Cesar.
>  My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which 
made >  me rather sick indeed.
>  for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the 
digital >  dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, 
seems safer than >  software strict like Ios...believe me its 
complex even for my medical >  team.
>  What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information 
>  anything that might hint at quality before I try.
>  I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless 
for >  other reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or 
more >  options just in the regular non-siri voices.

>  Thanks,
>  Karen
> > > > >  On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
wrote:
> > >  Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty 
purposes. Bells > >  basically talks, or in this case, sings like a 
grandfather clock. > >  There are other novelty voices that I'm not 
going to get indepth about > >  because it'll take all night to do 
so. But I can tell you one voice > >  I'm glad they finally let us 
use on the Mac. We can now use Siri > >  voices. They added those 
voices in Catalina and they can be used in > > Big Sur as well.

> > > >  Regards,
> >  Shawn,
> >  Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> > > >  Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, > 
>  Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? 
Send me > >  a private email with your contact information and the 
group you wish > >  to join and I'll happily add you.

> > > >  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> > > > >  On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen > > >  
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

> > > > > >  What defines a voice as useless?
> > >  I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
> > >  Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must 
one go > > >  down the list  finding non-English speaking voices 
mixed  into the > > > options? Clarity  is an absolute requirement, 
and I mean strictly > > >  on the mac.

> > >  Thanks so much,
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > > > > > >  Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, 
and of those > > > > at least 10 or totally useless. Generally 
they’re marked them as > > > >  different genders and sometimes is a 
compact and a non-compact > > > >  version. One example of a totally 
useless one, is the bells voice > > > >  that was around since macOS 
eight or possibly seven.

> > > > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > >  On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > 
> > mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> > > 
> > >  wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >   Jonathan,
> > > > >  Do you know if any details about each voice is > > > > >  
provided..anywhere?

> > > > >  Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
> > > > >  Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice > 
> > > >  distinctive from each   other besides the name.

> > > > >  That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
> > > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, 
Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > There are approximately, 285 voices that are 
available as > > > > > >  downloads from Apple. If you pick the name 
of the Voice in the > > > > > > Speech category of VoiceOver 
utility, and go to

Re: additional voices?

2020-12-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Fred, wow I haven't used that one in a while. It was on my Mac in 1995 or at 
least a variant of it with the same name.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar to a 
> DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.
> 
> On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the same 
>> as what JAWS offers.
>> Karen, Samantha.
>> One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both 
>> pitch and intonation.
>> My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
>> HTH
>> Jonathan
>>   
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>> Thanks for that information.
>>> My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique 
>>> secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One that 
>>> does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst create 
>>> something a bit like a Cesar.
>>> My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which made me 
>>> rather sick indeed.
>>> for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital dectalk 
>>> voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer than software 
>>> strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my medical team.
>>> What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information anything 
>>> that might hint at quality before I try.
>>> I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for other 
>>> reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or more options just in 
>>> the regular non-siri voices.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. Bells 
 basically talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather clock. There 
 are other novelty voices that I'm not going to get indepth about because 
 it'll take all night to do so. But I can tell you one voice I'm glad they 
 finally let us use on the Mac. We can now use Siri voices. They added 
 those voices in Catalina and they can be used in Big Sur as well.
 
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
 with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
 happily add you.
 
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> What defines a voice as useless?
> I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
> Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go down 
> the list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the options? 
> Clarity  is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly on the mac.
> Thanks so much,
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, and of those at 
>> least 10 or totally useless. Generally they’re marked them as different 
>> genders and sometimes is a compact and a non-compact version. One 
>> example of a totally useless one, is the bells voice that was around 
>> since macOS eight or possibly seven.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Jonathan,
>>> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
>>> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
>>> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from 
>>> each   other besides the name.
>>> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 
 There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads 
 from Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category 
 of VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this 
 will be "customize".
 Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice 
 has a checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for 
 use in VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK 
 button. The Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. 
 The OK

Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

2020-12-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
The Applications folder is a bit weird in newer OS's since those applications 
(except Safari) that come with the OS are on a read only area that is designed 
to be locked away from being modified, while App Store apps and hand installed 
apps also can reside there.
The OS seamlessly merges these to I thought one could see the readonly and work 
area disks in /System/Volumes, butI can't  understand the structure there.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 16:09, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I don’t know how it worked for you in the past, but opening TM from the 
> applications menu does the same thing as it always has for me. It opens the 
> interface, but you need the Window Chooser menu to get to the TM controls. 
> The only oddity I am currently seeing is VO doesn’t seem to interact properly 
> with the time line. I need to do some more investigating of this.
> 
>As for opening Time Machine from the Finder, this can only be a problem if 
> you are heavily manipulating files and folders haphazardly. As long as you 
> are careful and you know exactly what it is you are trying to access, there 
> are no issues. I’ve access my backups through the Finder interface for years 
> and have never had any problems. It’s certainly a valid approach and is 
> stated in the ACSP training materials as a way to access Time Machine 
> effectively.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or a 
>> user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM can 
>> get confused if something else gains control of its index structure.
>> 
>> 
>> To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. But 
>> try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If you don't 
>> get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting somewhere. VoiceOver 
>> does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but not limited to, not 
>> allowing you into the menus, and needing to access the Time Machine dialog 
>> via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's Apple's way of saying "ah ah, 
>> don't go there." LOL.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually 
>>> look at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.
>>> 
>>> As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
>>> just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused 
>>> on a folder in Finder.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura >>> > wrote:
 
 First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
 
 
 Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
 Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
 window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
 (double-VO+F2)?
 
 
 The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the 
 way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the 
 ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore 
 something, and the Restore button is dimmed.
 
 
 Anyone else finding what I'm finding?
>>> 
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Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same Network As The Phone?

2020-12-30 Thread Fazil 
Hi, Group.

My question is about iPad Air WiFi. Would the iPad Air ring too when my
phone would ring if both are on the same network under the same Apple ID?
This iPad is not the cellular-supported.

Thanks!

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Re: Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same Network As The Phone?

2020-12-30 Thread Brad Snyder 
Yes.  As long as both devices are on the same wifi network, and signed into the 
same AppleID account, your iPad should be able to receive calls made to your 
iPhone.

On the iPhone, go to, Settings > Cellular, or Settings > Phone, and select 
Calls on Other Devices.  Then select your iPad from the "Allow Calls On" device 
list.

You may also need to do something in FaceTime settings on your iPad to allow 
the iPad to receive calls.  I don’t have my iPad nearby, so I am not able to 
verify this.

HTH. 

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Hi, Group.
My question is about iPad Air WiFi. Would the iPad Air ring too when my phone 
would ring if both are on the same network under the same Apple ID? This iPad 
is not the cellular-supported.
Thanks!

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RE: Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same Network As The Phone?

2020-12-30 Thread Fazil 
Thanks much, Mr. Snyder, for your reply.

Just one more follow up question, 

would iPad ring along with the phone despite the fact that it is wifi only?

Thanks!

 

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Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 9:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same 
Network As The Phone?

 

Yes.  As long as both devices are on the same wifi network, and signed into the 
same AppleID account, your iPad should be able to receive calls made to your 
iPhone.

 

On the iPhone, go to, Settings > Cellular, or Settings > Phone, and select 
Calls on Other Devices.  Then select your iPad from the "Allow Calls On" device 
list.

 

You may also need to do something in FaceTime settings on your iPad to allow 
the iPad to receive calls.  I don’t have my iPad nearby, so I am not able to 
verify this.

 

HTH. 

 

- Brad -

 

On Dec 30, 2020, at 23:39, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

My question is about iPad Air WiFi. Would the iPad Air ring too when my phone 
would ring if both are on the same network under the same Apple ID? This iPad 
is not the cellular-supported.

Thanks!

 

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Is anyone else having problems with photo descriptions linking themselves to the wrong photos in IOS14.3?

2020-12-30 Thread 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
Hi all 

Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem? Up to fairly recently, 
when I've put descriptions on my photos, they've all been fine and have stayed 
with the right photos. However, since updating to IOS14.3 my photo descriptions 
seem to have gone mad and have started attaching themselves to completely 
random photos. So when I've thought I was showing someone one picture it's 
actually been something totally different. With sighted help I've tried 
re-labelling them all, but it's not worked, as the descriptions have just gone 
and relocated themselves again. 

So just wondered if anyone else has been having this/similar issues? If so, 
does anyone know of a way of fixing it? 

Thanks for any help in advance. 

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Re: Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same Network As The Phone?

2020-12-30 Thread Brad Snyder 
Yes, I believe so. 

- Brad -

On Dec 31, 2020, at 00:40, Fazil  wrote:


Thanks much, Mr. Snyder, for your reply.
Just one more follow up question,
would iPad ring along with the phone despite the fact that it is wifi only?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 9:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Would iPad Air WiFi ring to An Incoming Call If On The Same 
Network As The Phone?
 
Yes.  As long as both devices are on the same wifi network, and signed into the 
same AppleID account, your iPad should be able to receive calls made to your 
iPhone.
 
On the iPhone, go to, Settings > Cellular, or Settings > Phone, and select 
Calls on Other Devices.  Then select your iPad from the "Allow Calls On" device 
list.
 
You may also need to do something in FaceTime settings on your iPad to allow 
the iPad to receive calls.  I don’t have my iPad nearby, so I am not able to 
verify this.
 
HTH. 
 
- Brad -

 
On Dec 30, 2020, at 23:39, Fazil  wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
My question is about iPad Air WiFi. Would the iPad Air ring too when my phone 
would ring if both are on the same network under the same Apple ID? This iPad 
is not the cellular-supported.
Thanks!
 
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