Re: Control and Option backspace no longer working on my MBP for navigation and deletion

[Stan ZA]

Hi 1&All,
Thanks Donna, if I understand you correctly, I find my input is “British 
english", but changing to “American english” still makes no difference, to the 
keyboard.
I am thus an old dog learning new tricks, using “quickNav” when navigating,, I 
have found by turning “QN” off I can then interact with the items in the list 
[eg. mailboxes or messages], and then turning “QN” back on I can move around 
the window.  It seams to speed up navigation this way.
Thanks again, and yes I will revisit your solution again.

Cheers.
Stan ZA
amista...@gmail.com




On 16 Nov 2020, at 15:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I don’t know if you’ve seen my last message on this, but in my case, it turn 
out that my keyboard input had been changed to Unicode, and that was what was 
causing my problem. I can only speculate that somehow it got changed during the 
update, process, though I’ve never seen that happen before. At any rate, 
changing the keyboard input back—to US in my case—fixed my issue. To check 
this, press VO-M twice to bring up the extras menu. For me, keyboard input is 
the second to last item on the right. VO should announce the current input 
setting. To change it, press VO-space, and you should see other options.
HTH,
Donna
P.S. Some of this may be different in Catalina. I’m still running Mohave.


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:41 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi 1&All,
> I too, am having problems with the keyboard, with focus, VO and navigation, 
> on my MBP 13inch [mid 2012] running OS CATALINA 15.7, after the last update.  
> Try as I may, with my little knowledge, I am no fundi or expert with 
> computers, but I feel the problem may well be something to do with all the 
> new keyboard shortcuts that have just been introduced, but perhaps someone 
> out there can help.
> I am only able to use my MBP, using a 17 year old USB keyboard, it shows nun 
> of the problems, that the build in keyboard.
> I hope “Apple” sorts things out soon.
> Cheers.
> Stan ZA
> amista...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2020, at 23:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Brad,
> 
> Keyboard commander is disabled, but still no joy.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I suggest tht you turn off Keyboard commander and see if these issues go 
>> away.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 13:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> I do have keyboard commander enabled, and have tried both option keys. These 
>> commands are not keyboard commander commands, I think they are standard Mac 
>> commands.
>> 
>> The other thing I just figured out is that entering accented letters with 
>> Option key no longer works. This is potentially serious, as I write a lot in 
>> Spanish. :(
>> 
>>  I didn't upgrade to Big Sur yet, but I'm thinking about it in the hope that 
>> it fixes the issue.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried both the right and left option keys? And do you have 
>>> Keyboard Commander enabled? I may be off track here, but in VO Utilities, 
>>> under Commanders, with Keyboard Commander enabled, you get to choose which 
>>> option key is used for what you want to do. Maybe you had this set up in 
>>> Keyboard Commander, and if you just upgraded your computer I’m wondering if 
>>> something may have gotten lost. Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Nope, that doesn't work either. this is so strange. And it doesn't look 
 like the key is broken, because I can use it for other things like VO 
 commands.
 cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Try using Option + Left/Right arrow keys along with the Shift key to 
> highlight text.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Well, this is weird. Option plus left-right arrow does work when reading 
> text, but not when editing. So, it worked just fine when I was reading 
> your message, but is not working as I type my reply.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have never used CTRL + Backspace to delete words, but find that using 
>> Option + Backspace will do this.
>> I have always used Option + Left/Right arrow keys to navigate by single 
>> words, and find that this still wor

Re: Control and Option backspace no longer working on my MBP for navigation and deletion

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It sounds like your issues may be slightly different from mine. It should make 
no difference whether your keyboard is set to British or American English. I’m 
not sure what else to suggest, though, hopefully someone else can help.
Good luck!
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi 1&All,
> Thanks Donna, if I understand you correctly, I find my input is “British 
> english", but changing to “American english” still makes no difference, to 
> the keyboard.
> I am thus an old dog learning new tricks, using “quickNav” when navigating,, 
> I have found by turning “QN” off I can then interact with the items in the 
> list [eg. mailboxes or messages], and then turning “QN” back on I can move 
> around the window.  It seams to speed up navigation this way.
> Thanks again, and yes I will revisit your solution again.
> 
> Cheers.
> Stan ZA
> amista...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 2020, at 15:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don’t know if you’ve seen my last message on this, but in my case, it turn 
> out that my keyboard input had been changed to Unicode, and that was what was 
> causing my problem. I can only speculate that somehow it got changed during 
> the update, process, though I’ve never seen that happen before. At any rate, 
> changing the keyboard input back—to US in my case—fixed my issue. To check 
> this, press VO-M twice to bring up the extras menu. For me, keyboard input is 
> the second to last item on the right. VO should announce the current input 
> setting. To change it, press VO-space, and you should see other options.
> HTH,
> Donna
> P.S. Some of this may be different in Catalina. I’m still running Mohave.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:41 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi 1&All,
>> I too, am having problems with the keyboard, with focus, VO and navigation, 
>> on my MBP 13inch [mid 2012] running OS CATALINA 15.7, after the last update. 
>>  Try as I may, with my little knowledge, I am no fundi or expert with 
>> computers, but I feel the problem may well be something to do with all the 
>> new keyboard shortcuts that have just been introduced, but perhaps someone 
>> out there can help.
>> I am only able to use my MBP, using a 17 year old USB keyboard, it shows nun 
>> of the problems, that the build in keyboard.
>> I hope “Apple” sorts things out soon.
>> Cheers.
>> Stan ZA
>> amista...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Nov 2020, at 23:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Brad,
>> 
>> Keyboard commander is disabled, but still no joy.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suggest tht you turn off Keyboard commander and see if these issues go 
>>> away.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 13:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> I do have keyboard commander enabled, and have tried both option keys. 
>>> These commands are not keyboard commander commands, I think they are 
>>> standard Mac commands.
>>> 
>>> The other thing I just figured out is that entering accented letters with 
>>> Option key no longer works. This is potentially serious, as I write a lot 
>>> in Spanish. :(
>>> 
>>>  I didn't upgrade to Big Sur yet, but I'm thinking about it in the hope 
>>> that it fixes the issue.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 Have you tried both the right and left option keys? And do you have 
 Keyboard Commander enabled? I may be off track here, but in VO Utilities, 
 under Commanders, with Keyboard Commander enabled, you get to choose which 
 option key is used for what you want to do. Maybe you had this set up in 
 Keyboard Commander, and if you just upgraded your computer I’m wondering 
 if something may have gotten lost. Just a thought.
 
 Pete De Vasto
 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, that doesn't work either. this is so strange. And it doesn't look 
> like the key is broken, because I can use it for other things like VO 
> commands.
> cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try using Option + Left/Right arrow keys along with the Shift key to 
>> highlight text.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is weird. Option plus left-right arrow does work when reading 
>> text, but not when editing. So, it worked just fine when I was reading 
>> your message, but is not working as I type my reply.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never used CTRL + Backspace to delete words, but find that

Re: Wiring Discrepancies in 3.5 mm Jacks

[Dave Carlson]

Janina

Do you have any way to describe specifically why there are differences in 
Apple’s implementation  of the headphone jacks versus Windows and others? I am 
guessing it’s in the electrical connection to the T-R-S contacts on the jacks 
and plugs, correct?
In other words, why are they different?

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Janina

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Re: Time for a new Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Janina,

That is disappointing to hear that devices connected to your USB hub do not 
automatically reconnect on reboot.
I have the exact same Mac mini as you, and I am using a Belkin USB hub 
purchased from the Apple store, and I do not experience this issue with the 
Belkin hub.
This makes me feel the issue is with the USB hub you were using, and not the 
Mac mini.

- Brad -

On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:06, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi, Steve:

Janina here ...

I purchased a fully loaded Mac Mini earlier this calendar year and I'm
generally quite pleased with it. I added a BT keyboard to my order, and
it's the keyboard I use most often though I have also added the Mini to
my USB based KVM. The KVM also works well with a simple swap of the
Windows and Alt keys from a PC. I would note the swapping didn't work
properly until I got sighted assistance, but has been rock solid since.
Whatever! 

The only downside I've experienced is not enough USB ports. Yes, I have
Apple's extra ports dongle thingie, but it doesn't recognize plugged in
USB devices on reboot. Pulling the USB connector and plugging it into a
different USB port fixes things--but one shouldn't have to do such
things just because one rebooted.

If my needs were postponable, I would tend to want to wait for the new
Apple CPU which should provide significantly improved performance. I now
have two Macs, my Mini and a 2013 vcintage Airbook. I expect to replace
the Airbook sometime after the new laptops with the new CPU come to
market. Until then, I can still run Big Sur on mine--but it's likely the
end for me there, too.

Best,

Janina

Steve Matzura writes:
> My 2012 Mac Mini is nearing the end of its natural life. It's already not
> possible to upgrade to Big Sur, but more than that, it now runs quite hot
> and acts squirelly after an hour or so of just sitting there doing nothing,
> then when I give it something to do, it really starts acting like a person
> would act who has a high temperature--gets sluggish, misses keystrokes,
> takes way too long to do things that took mere minutes, etc. Sometimes
> VoiceOver lags in both speech output and navigation ... it's time to think
> about a replacement.
> 
> 
> So, what's your recommendation? I'd prefer a Mini, but an all-in-one would
> be a fine second choice because it has a screen after all. I really do not
> want a MacBook because I just don't have the horizontal real-estate anywhere
> for anything even that small, which is why a stand-up all-in-one like an
> iMac something would be far superior physically.
> 
> 
> What do I use a Mac for? Not much other than Zoom, Pro Tools with Komplete
> Kontrol, and occasionally Reaper, plus the usual handful of native
> applications like Messages, Pages, Keynote, TextEdit, Calendar, and a few
> others.
> 
> 
> If I'm going to spend Mac money, it's got to be spent on something that'll
> last me at least another six or seven years--up to the last operating system
> version the system will allow--so I'd prefer to buy something new even
> though it's big money rather than buy something a few years older that'll
> only last me four more years or les.
> 
> 
> Since nobody really knows much about the new M1 processor and how it behaves
> with VoiceOver, not to mention music applications like Pro Tools and Reaper,
> I'm hesitant to get one of those, but wow do they sound tempting and
> sw'w'w'weet!
> 
> 
> So, with those two things bracketing my choices--something new but maybe not
> cutting-edge versus something a few years old that won't last the full
> seven-year cycle, what are your thoughts?
> 
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Re: Time for a new Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Janina Is correct.
My earlier statement that the Mac mini had a 10/100 ethernet port was incorrect.

- Brad -

On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

My 2020 vintage Mac Mini has a hardware ethernet port, ie. RJ45
connector, and it's definitely a 1Gbps port.

There's an option for 10Gbps connector, as I recall from when I was
shopping last spring.

Steve Matzura writes:
> I don't remember seeing anything about an ethernet port, which concerns me
> more than a little, but that's OK, I'm OK with getting an ethernet adapter
> that's USB or Thunderbolt or whatever it is on the other end. And if it's
> only 10/100, that's a big disappointment. I have near-gigabit Internet
> connection, and I'll be hanged if a silly cheap 10/100Mb piece of hardware
> is going to slow me down by a factor of almost ten.
> 
> 
> On 11/12/2020 9:52 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> How exciting.  Congratulations on going for the new model.  I’m looking
>> forward to hearing how you like it.
>> From what I have read, the new minis have a 10/100 ethernet port, so you
>> should be good for a wired network connection.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 20:29, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Brad.
>> 
>> 
>> When I looked at Mini's jut now, I did not see the i7
>> configuration--only the i5, but that shiny zippy new M1 chip
>> configuration was just so enticing, well, I just had to go for it--the
>> whole thing--full memory and full storage, and it wasn't much more
>> expensive than the 2012 Mini was, which surprised me. . I am now
>> over-the-top excited about getting it just a few days after my birthday.
>> I got all the interface cables for Thunderbolt and USB thiks-and-that,
>> too. The only thing I didn't see available was a network adapter or
>> interface for ethernet because I'd much prefer a wired Internet
>> connection than a wireless one even though the machine will only bee a
>> few feet from the home router. I know there are, or may be, some issues
>> regarding Big Sur with Pro Tools, Reaper and Komplete Kontrol, not to
>> mention a few other third-party plugins and virtual software
>> instruments, but I'm hopeful they'll be solved by Christmas time. Since
>> the machine isn't coming until almost then anyway, I'm not particularly
>> concerned about them, if they do exist.
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/12/2020 8:37 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> I recently replaced my 2012 Mac mini.  It was exhibiting the same
>>> behavior as yours, running hot when it had just been sitting doing
>>> presumably nothing, and taking a long time to load applications or
>>> boot up.
>>> I replaced the old Mac mini with a new Mac mini, and have been very
>>> happy with it.
>>> My new mini has the i7 processor, with an excessive amount of RAM,
>>> and I went with the 2TB SSD.  The performance is awesome, and I am
>>> very happy with it.  I think it will serve me well for a long time.
>>> While Apple has introduced a Mac mini with the M1 processor, they
>>> still offer the Intel minis, both the i5 and i7 models, minus the
>>> low-end i3 configuration, at the same prices as before Tuesday’s
>>> introduction of the M1 models.
>>> If you have been happy with your previous mini, this could be a good
>>> option for you to consider.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 18:42, Steve Matzura >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My 2012 Mac Mini is nearing the end of its natural life. It's
>>> already not possible to upgrade to Big Sur, but more than that, it
>>> now runs quite hot and acts squirelly after an hour or so of just
>>> sitting there doing nothing, then when I give it something to do, it
>>> really starts acting like a person would act who has a high
>>> temperature--gets sluggish, misses keystrokes, takes way too long to
>>> do things that took mere minutes, etc. Sometimes VoiceOver lags in
>>> both speech output and navigation ... it's time to think about a
>>> replacement.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, what's your recommendation? I'd prefer a Mini, but an all-in-one
>>> would be a fine second choice because it has a screen after all. I
>>> really do not want a MacBook because I just don't have the
>>> horizontal real-estate anywhere for anything even that small, which
>>> is why a stand-up all-in-one like an iMac something would be far
>>> superior physically.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What do I use a Mac for? Not much other than Zoom, Pro Tools with
>>> Komplete Kontrol, and occasionally Reaper, plus the usual handful of
>>> native applications like Messages, Pages, Keynote, TextEdit,
>>> Calendar, and a few others.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to spend Mac money, it's got to be spent on something
>>> that'll last me at least another six or seven years--up to the last
>>> operating system version the system will allow--so I'd prefer to buy
>>> something new even though it's big money rather than buy something a
>>> few years older that'll only last me four more years or les.
>>> 
>

Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Brad Snyder]

Janina
,
If you look under about this Mac, you will find that your 2020 Mac mini, is 
really a 2018 Mac mini.
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 wrote:

Janina

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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Brad Snyder]

I am using a pair of Logitech speakers purchased from Best Buy about two years 
ago, that I am now using on my 2018 seriesMac mini, which was purchased new in 
2020.

- Brad -

On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Don't bother replacing the speakers. The same thing will happen. Unless
they have a model specificallyh designed for Apple Mac or IOS devices, I
would simply return them for a refund and look for a different option.

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Hi Brad and all,
> 
> Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am incline 
> to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on any of my 
> other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not show up as an 
> option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal speaker, then an empty 
> item which vo just says name then airplay device.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  They 
> functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you are 
> having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
> I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers 
> have power.
> I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with the 
> audio output jack.
> Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the audio 
> output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of speakers.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi PPeet,
> 
> Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
> in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
> and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
> here is the link.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
> intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
> 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Peet,
> 
> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able 
> to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> 
> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> in so not sure.  What is going on.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at these, 
> but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other devices with 
> 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they work with these 
> other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of headphones that have a 
> 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting these headphones to the 
> jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in 
> System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like 
> maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing 
> a song or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something in VO 
> that’s affecting things when you switch audio output from internal speakers 
> to the output jack. Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t 
> too goofy a bunch of questions.
> 
> Pete De Vasto.
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something that 
> works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says name 
> which is empty.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, 
> the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output devices when 
> nothing is plugged into the jack.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on my 
> 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
> I am running macOS Ca

RE: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[matthew dyer]

Good morning,

I unfortionetly opened the box and tore it opened it, but will be looking 
forsomething else for sure.  Will have to see whart I can come up with.  
Anyqway.  I'm sure I will see what I can do.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have 
a headset jack?

Don't bother replacing the speakers. The same thing will happen. Unless they 
have a model specificallyh designed for Apple Mac or IOS devices, I would 
simply return them for a refund and look for a different option.

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Hi Brad and all,
> 
> Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am incline 
> to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on any of my 
> other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not show up as an 
> option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal speaker, then an empty 
> item which vo just says name then airplay device.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  They 
> functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you are 
> having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
> I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers 
> have power.
> I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with the 
> audio output jack.
> Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the audio 
> output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of speakers.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi PPeet,
> 
> Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
> in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
> and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
> here is the link.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_titl
> e_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
> intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
> 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Peet,
> 
> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able 
> to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> 
> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> in so not sure.  What is going on.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at these, 
> but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other devices with 
> 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they work with these 
> other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of headphones that have a 
> 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting these headphones to the 
> jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in 
> System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like 
> maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing 
> a song or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something in VO 
> that’s affecting things when you switch audio output from internal speakers 
> to the output jack. Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t 
> too goofy a bunch of questions.
> 
> Pete De Vasto.
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something that 
> works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says name 
> which is empty.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, 
> the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output devices when 
> nothing is plugged into the jack.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 202

Apple Mail on IOS: how to set up All Junk mail box

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running IOS 14.2 on my iPhoneSE 2020. I have 3 Email accounts. Some time 
ago on an older IOS release I set up All Inbox, All Draft, All Archive and All 
Bin mail boxes which are all very useful. Alas I cannot remember how I did that 
and google offers no help. I now want to set up an All Junk mail box.
Does anyone know how to do this?
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Re: Apple Mail on IOS: how to set up All Junk mail box

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> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:22 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> I am running IOS 14.2 on my iPhoneSE 2020. I have 3 Email accounts. Some time 
> ago on an older IOS release I set up All Inbox, All Draft, All Archive and 
> All Bin mail boxes which are all very useful. Alas I cannot remember how I 
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> Does anyone know how to do this?
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Re: Battery status on Big Sir?

[Traci Duncan]

I’d appreciate that. Thanks

Traci


> On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:04 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> It was a downloaded one. I can post it if you need.
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you remind me, was this a script we downloaded from the web or was it 
>> already on the Mac?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:46 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes mine is working fine.
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all, will the battery status shortcut work on Big Sir? I definitely 
 miss hitting right option B for the VoiceOver Script say battery status.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: I have reported some serious voice-over bugs in recovery partition to Apple on big sur

[William Windels]

thx for this mail  Michael.
Ik looks not good, I’ll report it.



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> Op 15 nov. 2020, om 12:28 heeft Michael Marshall  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> hey all,
> I have found a couple of bugs whilst using recovery on big sur with voiceover 
> which I have reported to Apple and if any of you can find them, I would 
> really encourage you to do the same.
> The first thing is the Wi-Fi problem, it has always been tricky but 
> manageable, now when you hit VO MM twice, there is absolutely no way to 
> access those options.
> Also the tab key is useless in recovery with voice-over, if you want to go to 
> the continue button, you first have to select your options such as restore 
> from Time Machine backup using VO right and left and then VO right down to 
> the continue button.
> The last and most serious from my standpoint is the continual crashing with 
> voice-over in both disk utility and the installation of the system from 
> recovery.
> If you going to disk utility from recovery and try to go to the table to 
> select a disk or the toolbar, voice-over will just continuously crash.
> The only way to fix it is to command Q out of disk utility and then restart 
> voice-over.
> I have sent feedback through the assistant to Apple and I hope they take a 
> look at this before the next beta update.
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Safari on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having focus 
trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but nothing 
happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is somewhere else. 
how do I adjust this?

thanks.
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messages in IOS 14.1

[Lorie McCloud]

in text messages I somehow pinned somebody. I don't know what that means or how 
I did it. how do I un-do it?

thanks.
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Re: Safari on a Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the VoiceOver 
mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.

I don’t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try. 

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I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having focus 
trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but nothing 
happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is somewhere else. 
how do I adjust this?

thanks.
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Re: messages in IOS 14.1

[Brad Snyder]

This is a new feature in iOS 14.  When you “Pin” a conversation, it will remain 
on top of all the other conversations, even if it is not the most recent.
To Pin or Unpin a conversation, do the following:
1.  Place VoiceOver focus on the conversation that you want to either Pin or 
Unpin.
2.  Set the VoiceOver rotor on Actions.
3.  Swipe up or down until you hear VO say “Pin” or “Unpin”, and then perform a 
1-finger double tap to execute the action.
4.  This action is a toggle, so if a conversation is not pinned, the action 
will pin the conversation to the top of the conversation list.  If the 
conversation is already pinned, the action will unpin it.

HTH.

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in text messages I somehow pinned somebody. I don't know what that means or how 
I did it. how do I un-do it?

thanks.
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mac OS big sur: touchbar latency

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi everyone,

I'm having sticky thoughts about this touch bar, which is new to me as I 
recently upgraded to the 16 inch macbook pro.

It's quite slow to be honest, between when I'm trying to do something on it, 
and when voice over starts to react. if it were mechanical keys, I would just 
press the required key and don't have to think more.

is there something perhaps that could shorten this delay? Is there some wake up 
component to the touch bar? I hear from sighted assistance that it seems to be 
always on, so I would expect some more snappiness with this?

Thanks for any help 

yuma 

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Re: mac OS big sur: why does it have to behave like I'm using an iPad

[Yuma Decaux]

Least path to resistance is really what I am objectively looking for, and in 
this case there's spurious actions required to get there. on the long run, as 
large numbers tend to explode over multiple iterations, this becomes a waste of 
my productivity. The tabbing was great for the messages app, and I have also 
noticed now how convoluted it is to get to what I want.

I really would take time to do feature requests and reports like before, but I 
am held up with uni and personal projects, so I really invite everyone in this 
list to go ahead and report, the apple team really does take reports seriously 
when they are well edited and give context, such as audio recordings etc.

Have a great rest of week,

Yuma 



> On 16 Nov 2020, at 9:48 pm, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> You are correct.  I too have realised that we have to perform extra steps to 
> accomplish certain outcomes.  Yes, in some edit boxes you have to press 
> vo+spacebar to make them editable.  This happens regularly in Messages app.  
> In the same app, it’s much harder to navigate now and be sure you know what 
> you are doing.  For instance, in Conversations collection, when focusing on a 
> particular thread, the last message used to be read out in full.  Now if the 
> message is long, it’s read  partly and you have to go to the Messages 
> collection (formerly web view) to read the whole message.  
> 
> Andrew
>> On 15 Nov 2020, at 12:47, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've noticed that a lot of the usual operations I perform on my mac are now 
>> requiring extra steps.
>> 
>> one such instance is when I look for a particular email, I have to now go to 
>> the toolbar, go to search, and press on search. This behaviour is probably 
>> good for ipads, but now it adds extra steps to the whole experience.
>> 
>> Using a mac is supposed to help streamline things, now it's taking longer.
>> 
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mac OS big sur: repeating ping sound

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi All,

I've recorded myself on the system to demonstrate this repeating ping sound 
that occurs without any input from me, and its starting to drive me absolutely 
bonkers. it's very disrupting and annoying, and I would really like to know 
what is going on, and how to turn this down. Attached below is a dropbox link 
to the recording:



Thanks,

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Re: Safari on a Mac

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I did try those things. I thought it ws just that the site might be kind of 
inaccessible but then it happened in an email. guess that wouldn't be Safari 
would it? what I did that time was to arrow down to the link I wanted but when 
I was pressing vo-command-l vo would say the link but the action wouldn't 
happen. I'll mess around with it some more.

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
> 
> I don’t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
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Re: Safari on a Mac

[Brad Snyder]

If you can, send a link to the website, and I’ll check it out.

- Brad -


On Nov 17, 2020, at 22:22, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I did try those things. I thought it ws just that the site might be kind of 
inaccessible but then it happened in an email. guess that wouldn't be Safari 
would it? what I did that time was to arrow down to the link I wanted but when 
I was pressing vo-command-l vo would say the link but the action wouldn't 
happen. I'll mess around with it some more.

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
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> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
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> I don’t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try. 
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
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