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Re: siri app will not open

2020-07-05 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries

Hey Michelle. Have you tried activating Siri with a hotkey? I think the default 
hotkey is press and hold Command+Space. You can change the hotkey in system 
preferences. I have mine set to activate when I press Function+Spacebar.

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> On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Michelle Hurdt  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I been having problems opening the siri app mac os x 10.15.5. 
> Every time i try to open the app from the doc nothing seem to happen and the 
> siri window does not even open. 
> In the system preferences under siri is checked and i am using a behringer 
> x1204 mixer. 
> If you could help me, I would appreciate it. 
> I have tried everything i could think of and still no luck to able use siri.
> The mac i have is a Mac mini  late 2012.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Michelle Hurdt.
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Re: siri app will not open

2020-07-05 Thread Michelle Hurdt

Hi,

Thanks for your help, That worked but.
I went to preferences/siri and disable siri.
Then i reenable siri.
Then i when to keystroke popup button and when to custom command and went to 
the edit box an press the keystroke.
I hope this helps too.

Take care,

Michelle.
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:16 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hey Michelle. Have you tried activating Siri with a hotkey? I think the 
> default hotkey is press and hold Command+Space. You can change the hotkey in 
> system preferences. I have mine set to activate when I press 
> Function+Spacebar.
> 
> Regards,
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>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Michelle Hurdt > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I been having problems opening the siri app mac os x 10.15.5. 
>> Every time i try to open the app from the doc nothing seem to happen and the 
>> siri window does not even open. 
>> In the system preferences under siri is checked and i am using a behringer 
>> x1204 mixer. 
>> If you could help me, I would appreciate it. 
>> I have tried everything i could think of and still no luck to able use siri.
>> The mac i have is a Mac mini  late 2012.
>> 
>> Thanks so much,
>> 
>> Michelle Hurdt.
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RE: Function key not working in Boot Camp

2020-07-05 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Download and install the apple bootcamp drivers so you get all the 
functionality from the keyboard as you should.

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Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir
Sent: Sunday, 5 July 2020 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Function key not working in Boot Camp

Hello group,
Hope you’re well. Unfortunately, when installing a fresh version of windows 10 
on my computer this morning, I found that my function key isn’t working to 
modify my up-and-down arrows into the page up page down, or to allow me to 
increase and decrease volume and brightness on my computer.  Any suggestions on 
what I can do?
All best,
Ibraheem

Mistakes sent from my iPhoneHello group, Hope you’re well. Unfortunately, when 
installing a fresh version of windows 10 on my computer this morning, I found 
that my function key isn’t working to modify my up-and-down arrows into the 
page up page down, or to allow me to increase and decrease volume and 
brightness on my computer. Any suggestions on what I can do?
All best,
Ibraheem

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Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

2020-07-05 Thread Ryan Mann

What is the advantage of using Outlook instead of the Mail app?


> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I checked things out on my Outlook, and you can use a hot spot safely for the 
> contacts window. Therefore, there should be no need to create a script for 
> this.
> 1. Create a new message.
> 2. Wait for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window.
> 3.. Bring up window chooser with VO-F2 F2 and select the contacts window.
> 4. Move VO backwards to always present text (contacts and recent address or 
> something similar.
> 5. Press VO-Shift and a number key. VO will say Saved as Hot Spot number.
> A. The next time you need to review the list of completions press VO-Number 
> and VoiceOver will read the first completion available.
> 
> Note, I use the insider build of Outlook, but this should work on production 
> versions too.
>  
> I will get into the feedback center and post something on Monday asking that 
> up/down commands while in an address field be sent to the contacts window if 
> open. If anybody has suggestions on wording in the meantime, I will gladly 
> accept.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:54 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, once the new window is presented, you can often simply press the tab 
>> key from within the text entry field to complete the name and email address. 
>> I assume it takes the first entry that matches the partially typed name or 
>> address. Very often, this is exactly what I want, so it’s a quick operation.
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 23:21, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The name completion for Outlook uses a separate window, the window is  
>>> accessible, but might vanish if you use command-accent to sswitch to it, 
>>> not sure because I stopped trying several versions ago. What I do, is type 
>>> the first few characters of who I am sending the message to wait a second 
>>> for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window. I then bring up a window 
>>> list numpad-/ if you are using numpad commander, twofinger tab on right of 
>>> touch pad if using touchpad commander, or VO-F2 twice. You can then type in 
>>> “co” and will find the only selection is contacts. select that and in this 
>>> window is a list of completions.
>>> If you beg me to, I could look to see if a AppleScript could make this 
>>> easier. 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:04 PM, 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch 
 to complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am 
 using voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name 
 into the two column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In 
 other words if I type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how 
 do I do that using voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard 
 commands for Microsoft outlook I would be very appreciative.
 Thanks so much!
 Nancy
 
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 Old Dominion University
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Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries

Yo everyone!

Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files using 
Dropbox on the Mac.
He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
permission to access.
But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
They are not showing up though.

But here's the really strange thing.
He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing up 
in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.

Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?

Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Raymond Foret Jr

First, If he’s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be found in 
the applications folder.  Open it from there.

Now, with respect to the public folder, that’s not how it’s done 
anymore.  He can just put the file he’s trying to share with you at the route 
of the Drop Box folder itself and create a link directly to it from the short 
cut menu.  He sends you the link and off you go.


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> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yo everyone!
> 
> Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
> My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files 
> using Dropbox on the Mac.
> He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
> permission to access.
> But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
> They are not showing up though.
> 
> But here's the really strange thing.
> He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
> He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing 
> up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.
> 
> Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?
> 
> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
> Gary Price
> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi Gary,
One way to do this is to have your friend send a drop box link for the file to 
you by text or email.
Have your friend  find the file  in his drop box folder on his mac and get a 
"contextual menu" on it, the command is "control option shift with down arrow"
and from that contextual menu choose "copy drop box link.
That will copy a link to the file to his clip board and then   he can paste it 
in to a email or text it to you.
Then you click on his link to the  file and go and retrieve it. :)
HTH
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:43 PM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Yo everyone!
> 
> Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
> My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files 
> using Dropbox on the Mac.
> He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
> permission to access.
> But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
> They are not showing up though.
> 
> But here's the really strange thing.
> He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
> He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing 
> up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.
> 
> Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?
> 
> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
> Gary Price
> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.
> 
> This address is for personal contact:
> garypric...@icloud.com
> 
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> http://www.twitter.com/gazwprice
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Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

2020-07-05 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

If you have a choice, then I suppose it’s largely a matter of preference. 
Microsoft Outlook doesn’t just support email; it offers calendar, contacts, and 
other features as well. Consequently, it should probably be compared with the 
combination of Apple Mail/Calendar/Contacts.

Also, it is my understanding that some accounts absolutely require Microsoft 
Outlook, rather than Apple’s Exchange support.

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 09:18, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> What is the advantage of using Outlook instead of the Mail app?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I checked things out on my Outlook, and you can use a hot spot safely for 
>> the contacts window. Therefore, there should be no need to create a script 
>> for this.
>> 1. Create a new message.
>> 2. Wait for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window.
>> 3.. Bring up window chooser with VO-F2 F2 and select the contacts window.
>> 4. Move VO backwards to always present text (contacts and recent address or 
>> something similar.
>> 5. Press VO-Shift and a number key. VO will say Saved as Hot Spot number.
>> A. The next time you need to review the list of completions press VO-Number 
>> and VoiceOver will read the first completion available.
>> 
>> Note, I use the insider build of Outlook, but this should work on production 
>> versions too.
>>  
>> I will get into the feedback center and post something on Monday asking that 
>> up/down commands while in an address field be sent to the contacts window if 
>> open. If anybody has suggestions on wording in the meantime, I will gladly 
>> accept.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:54 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, once the new window is presented, you can often simply press the tab 
>>> key from within the text entry field to complete the name and email 
>>> address. I assume it takes the first entry that matches the partially typed 
>>> name or address. Very often, this is exactly what I want, so it’s a quick 
>>> operation.
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2020, at 23:21, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 The name completion for Outlook uses a separate window, the window is  
 accessible, but might vanish if you use command-accent to sswitch to it, 
 not sure because I stopped trying several versions ago. What I do, is type 
 the first few characters of who I am sending the message to wait a second 
 for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window. I then bring up a window 
 list numpad-/ if you are using numpad commander, twofinger tab on right of 
 touch pad if using touchpad commander, or VO-F2 twice. You can then type 
 in “co” and will find the only selection is contacts. select that and in 
 this window is a list of completions.
 If you beg me to, I could look to see if a AppleScript could make this 
 easier. 
 Jonathan
 
 
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> hi everyone,
> I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to 
> switch to complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at 
> all. I am using voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type 
> a name into the two column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. 
> In other words if I type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, 
> how do I do that using voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard 
> commands for Microsoft outlook I would be very appreciative.
> Thanks so much!
> Nancy
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Tim M

If its not showing in applications or task tray its not installed. Go back to 
dropbox and download it again for install.
Then the shortcut link will show in the menus list.
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:26 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary,
> One way to do this is to have your friend send a drop box link for the file 
> to you by text or email.
> Have your friend  find the file  in his drop box folder on his mac and get a 
> "contextual menu" on it, the command is "control option shift with down arrow"
> and from that contextual menu choose "copy drop box link.
> That will copy a link to the file to his clip board and then   he can paste 
> it in to a email or text it to you.
> Then you click on his link to the  file and go and retrieve it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:43 PM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Yo everyone!
>> 
>> Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
>> My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files 
>> using Dropbox on the Mac.
>> He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
>> permission to access.
>> But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
>> They are not showing up though.
>> 
>> But here's the really strange thing.
>> He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
>> He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing 
>> up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.
>> 
>> Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?
>> 
>> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
>> Gary Price
>> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.
>> 
>> This address is for personal contact:
>> garypric...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Karen Lewellen

Ray,
Given the number of members who have left due to aspects of your
signature, and your
claim that members here have done what you state, asking you to
apologize, can you provide specific posts and examples of those
incidents?
Specifically members on this list, not hypothetical generalities outside
of this apple focused group.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

First, If he???s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be found in
the applications folder. Open it from there.

Now, with respect to the public folder, that???s not how it???s done
anymore. He can just put the file he???s trying to share with you at the route
of the Drop Box folder itself and create a link directly to it from the short
cut menu. He sends you the link and off you go.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Yo everyone!

Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files using
Dropbox on the Mac.
He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me
permission to access.
But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
They are not showing up though.

But here's the really strange thing.
He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing up
in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.

Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?

Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.

This address is for personal contact:
garypric...@icloud.com

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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Raymond Foret Jr

All I will say is this.  I’m not attempting to tell anyone here what to 
believe:  Just saying that I refuse to apologize for what I am.  Three things 
about me andthat I keep being told are wrong by those on the left.  I have 
concluded to make the kind of stand which will best defend my positions while 
not imposing them on others.  However, to directly answer your question as best 
I can.  The recent Firefox thread will contain some examples of this.  I’m done.


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> Given the number of members who have left due to  aspects of your signature, 
> and your claim  that members here have done what you state, asking you to 
> apologize, can you provide specific  posts and examples of those incidents?
> Specifically members on this list, not hypothetical generalities outside of  
> this apple focused group.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> First, If he’s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be found 
>> in the applications folder.  Open it from there.
>> 
>>  Now, with respect to the public folder, that’s not how it’s done 
>> anymore.  He can just put the file he’s trying to share with you at the 
>> route of the Drop Box folder itself and create a link directly to it from 
>> the short cut menu.  He sends you the link and off you go.
>> 
>> 
>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yo everyone!
>>> 
>>> Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
>>> My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files 
>>> using Dropbox on the Mac.
>>> He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
>>> permission to access.
>>> But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
>>> They are not showing up though.
>>> 
>>> But here's the really strange thing.
>>> He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
>>> He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon 
>>> showing up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that 
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
>>> Gary Price
>>> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.
>>> 
>>> This address is for personal contact:
>>> garypric...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter:
>>> http://www.twitter.com/gazwprice
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Karen Lewellen

But that is where the problem is here.
First, this is not a left or right list...whatever that means in
relationship to Apple.
second, some of what you claim is apart of who you are technically cannot
exist as you describe it, and third, you have been using that signature
before the Firefox thread even started.
If my effort of learning about the mac is decreased because you
have projected a sense of personal paranoia onto a list where no request
that you apologized ever took place i wish to know.

Otherwise, why is your signature appropriate for this list at all?
Especially if the moderators allow it to remain?

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

All I will say is this. I???m not attempting to tell anyone here what to
believe: Just saying that I refuse to apologize for what I am. Three things
about me andthat I keep being told are wrong by those on the left. I have
concluded to make the kind of stand which will best defend my positions while
not imposing them on others. However, to directly answer your question as best
I can. The recent Firefox thread will contain some examples of this. I???m
done.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Ray,
Given the number of members who have left due to aspects of your signature,
and your claim that members here have done what you state, asking you to
apologize, can you provide specific posts and examples of those incidents?
Specifically members on this list, not hypothetical generalities outside of
this apple focused group.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

First, If he???s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be found in
the applications folder. Open it from there.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Yo everyone!

Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?

Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.

This address is for personal contact:
garypric...@icloud.com

Twitter:
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread John Panarese

In my humble opinion, I think we have had enough people leave this list 
because of off topic and controversial debates. This might be a discussion 
better suited for off the list. I am on several lists, and I’ve seen all kinds 
of signatures that range from the devoutly religious to political slogans to 
comical quotes. Of course, like mine, you have business related information as 
well. I also moderate another list and own my own list that I try to shepherd 
to the best of my ability these days. A signature, unless it contains truly 
offensive statements or some kind of inappropriate language, is really nothing 
more than whatever the reader wants to make of it. In other words, to me, what 
Ray or E.T. or anyone else states in their signatures isn’t something I hardly 
notice myself. I usually only read the content of someone's posts and don’t 
venture beyond that point. I only looked at Ray’s signature when it became a 
topic of discussion and I don’t personally find it offensive and it would not 
be something I’d have him remove on my list, just as the various other 
statements and such made  in the signatures of other users would not be an 
issue for me that I’ve encountered here. The problem here is if you start 
trying to play signature police, it will get to the point in which everyone’s 
signatures can be deemed annoying or inflammatory or inappropriate. If you open 
that can of worms, you’ll get people making cases for half the people on this 
list to remove their given signatures, and that’s down right silly and crossing 
the line into the tyrannical in nature.

To be honest, I personally find the climate of taking offense over just 
about anything a person might say or opinions they might express tiresome. We 
can all coexist just fine on any email list or forum if we stop looking for 
slights and taking issue with everything in the world. I was stupefied by the 
reaction of one of the posters I read when someone simply took the time to wish 
everyone on the list a happy Independence day, which I thought was a great 
gesture as a proud American myself who’s father and many of my relatives served 
their country and in the case of an uncle, died for it. There is enough anger 
and posturing in the world as it is, and I’d rather leave such discussions in 
the realm where it’s appropriate. I have my own set of convictions and opinions 
on the world, but I don’t think anyone else neither cares about them nor do I 
find it necessary to express them on a public list. 

As a blind person, I face enough prejudice and discrimination in society, 
despite it being 2020. However, I am at the point in my life that I just don’t 
care about political correctness or the like. As long as people are not 
personally attacking one another and filling the list with inappropriate 
language and off topic rants, well, there is the magic of the delete key if you 
simply don’t want to read what someone has to say. Because I’m on so many lists 
and have to sift through 300 plus emails a day, I exercise use of the delete 
key quite often. 
   I think this topic was much better served discussing Firefox on the Mac, so 
let’s not cause anyone to leave this list with further debates along these 
lines before they really stray off course. I think Mark and Cara are busy 
enough, so let’s not have to get them to have to play nannie for us again 
please?

   Again, just my opinion and I apologize for filling your inbox with an off 
topic message, folks.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> But that is where the problem is here.
> First, this is not a left or right list...whatever that means in relationship 
> to Apple.
> second, some of what you claim is apart of who you are  technically cannot 
> exist as you describe it, and third, you have been using that signature 
> before   the Firefox thread even started.
> If my effort of learning about the mac is decreased because you have 
> projected a sense of personal paranoia onto a list where no request that  you 
> apologized ever took place i wish to know.
> Otherwise, why is your signature appropriate for this list at all?
> Especially if the moderators allow  it to remain?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> All I will say is this.  I’m not attempting to tell anyone here what to 
>> believe:  Just saying that I refuse to apologize for what I am.  Three 
>> things about me andthat I keep being told are wrong by those on the left.  I 
>> have concluded to make the kind of stand which will best defend my positions 
>> while not imposing them on others.  However, to directly answer your 
>> question as best I can.  The recent Firefox thread w

Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Raymond Foret Jr

I agree with John here.  Now, if my signature had said something like “Fuck the 
left.”, I could understand taking offence.  But, I think we get too offended by 
the least little thing these days.  Oh, I need to take back one thing I said 
though.  I can, now I think about it, point you to a specific message where 
this all started.  I recall that ET took offence to my signature and said so.  
I responded and it went from there.  Truth to tell, I tend to be like John and 
do not myself take much notice of anybody’s signatures unless a person 
expressly wishes me to see it for some reason.  So, how bout we close this now? 
 Just a thought.  Oh, look.  I’m not accusing anyone of anything here:  just so 
you know.  I sincerely hope this  ends it because I can tell you this much.  
Even if I’m further asked about it here, I will say nothing further.


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>In my humble opinion, I think we have had enough people leave this list 
> because of off topic and controversial debates. This might be a discussion 
> better suited for off the list. I am on several lists, and I’ve seen all 
> kinds of signatures that range from the devoutly religious to political 
> slogans to comical quotes. Of course, like mine, you have business related 
> information as well. I also moderate another list and own my own list that I 
> try to shepherd to the best of my ability these days. A signature, unless it 
> contains truly offensive statements or some kind of inappropriate language, 
> is really nothing more than whatever the reader wants to make of it. In other 
> words, to me, what Ray or E.T. or anyone else states in their signatures 
> isn’t something I hardly notice myself. I usually only read the content of 
> someone's posts and don’t venture beyond that point. I only looked at Ray’s 
> signature when it became a topic of discussion and I don’t personally find it 
> offensive and it would not be something I’d have him remove on my list, just 
> as the various other statements and such made  in the signatures of other 
> users would not be an issue for me that I’ve encountered here. The problem 
> here is if you start trying to play signature police, it will get to the 
> point in which everyone’s signatures can be deemed annoying or inflammatory 
> or inappropriate. If you open that can of worms, you’ll get people making 
> cases for half the people on this list to remove their given signatures, and 
> that’s down right silly and crossing the line into the tyrannical in nature.
> 
>To be honest, I personally find the climate of taking offense over just 
> about anything a person might say or opinions they might express tiresome. We 
> can all coexist just fine on any email list or forum if we stop looking for 
> slights and taking issue with everything in the world. I was stupefied by the 
> reaction of one of the posters I read when someone simply took the time to 
> wish everyone on the list a happy Independence day, which I thought was a 
> great gesture as a proud American myself who’s father and many of my 
> relatives served their country and in the case of an uncle, died for it. 
> There is enough anger and posturing in the world as it is, and I’d rather 
> leave such discussions in the realm where it’s appropriate. I have my own set 
> of convictions and opinions on the world, but I don’t think anyone else 
> neither cares about them nor do I find it necessary to express them on a 
> public list. 
> 
>As a blind person, I face enough prejudice and discrimination in society, 
> despite it being 2020. However, I am at the point in my life that I just 
> don’t care about political correctness or the like. As long as people are not 
> personally attacking one another and filling the list with inappropriate 
> language and off topic rants, well, there is the magic of the delete key if 
> you simply don’t want to read what someone has to say. Because I’m on so many 
> lists and have to sift through 300 plus emails a day, I exercise use of the 
> delete key quite often. 
>   I think this topic was much better served discussing Firefox on the Mac, so 
> let’s not cause anyone to leave this list with further debates along these 
> lines before they really stray off course. I think Mark and Cara are busy 
> enough, so let’s not have to get them to have to play nannie for us again 
> please?
> 
>   Again, just my opinion and I apologize for filling your inbox with an off 
> topic message, folks.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Brandon Olivares

Yep I agree with John. If you don’t like the signature, just move on. No one’s 
forcing you to read it, and the signature isn’t insulting in itself unless 
people choose to take offense.

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>In my humble opinion, I think we have had enough people leave this list 
> because of off topic and controversial debates. This might be a discussion 
> better suited for off the list. I am on several lists, and I’ve seen all 
> kinds of signatures that range from the devoutly religious to political 
> slogans to comical quotes. Of course, like mine, you have business related 
> information as well. I also moderate another list and own my own list that I 
> try to shepherd to the best of my ability these days. A signature, unless it 
> contains truly offensive statements or some kind of inappropriate language, 
> is really nothing more than whatever the reader wants to make of it. In other 
> words, to me, what Ray or E.T. or anyone else states in their signatures 
> isn’t something I hardly notice myself. I usually only read the content of 
> someone's posts and don’t venture beyond that point. I only looked at Ray’s 
> signature when it became a topic of discussion and I don’t personally find it 
> offensive and it would not be something I’d have him remove on my list, just 
> as the various other statements and such made  in the signatures of other 
> users would not be an issue for me that I’ve encountered here. The problem 
> here is if you start trying to play signature police, it will get to the 
> point in which everyone’s signatures can be deemed annoying or inflammatory 
> or inappropriate. If you open that can of worms, you’ll get people making 
> cases for half the people on this list to remove their given signatures, and 
> that’s down right silly and crossing the line into the tyrannical in nature.
> 
>To be honest, I personally find the climate of taking offense over just 
> about anything a person might say or opinions they might express tiresome. We 
> can all coexist just fine on any email list or forum if we stop looking for 
> slights and taking issue with everything in the world. I was stupefied by the 
> reaction of one of the posters I read when someone simply took the time to 
> wish everyone on the list a happy Independence day, which I thought was a 
> great gesture as a proud American myself who’s father and many of my 
> relatives served their country and in the case of an uncle, died for it. 
> There is enough anger and posturing in the world as it is, and I’d rather 
> leave such discussions in the realm where it’s appropriate. I have my own set 
> of convictions and opinions on the world, but I don’t think anyone else 
> neither cares about them nor do I find it necessary to express them on a 
> public list. 
> 
>As a blind person, I face enough prejudice and discrimination in society, 
> despite it being 2020. However, I am at the point in my life that I just 
> don’t care about political correctness or the like. As long as people are not 
> personally attacking one another and filling the list with inappropriate 
> language and off topic rants, well, there is the magic of the delete key if 
> you simply don’t want to read what someone has to say. Because I’m on so many 
> lists and have to sift through 300 plus emails a day, I exercise use of the 
> delete key quite often. 
>   I think this topic was much better served discussing Firefox on the Mac, so 
> let’s not cause anyone to leave this list with further debates along these 
> lines before they really stray off course. I think Mark and Cara are busy 
> enough, so let’s not have to get them to have to play nannie for us again 
> please?
> 
>   Again, just my opinion and I apologize for filling your inbox with an off 
> topic message, folks.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> But that is where the problem is here.
>> First, this is not a left or right list...whatever that means in 
>> relationship to Apple.
>> second, some of what you claim is apart of who you are  technically cannot 
>> exist as you describe it, and third, you have been using that signature 
>> before   the Firefox thread even started.
>> If my effort of learning about the mac is decreased because you have 
>> projected a sense of personal paranoia onto a list where no request that  
>> you apologized ever took place i wish to know.
>> Otherwise, why is your signature appropriate for this list at all?
>> Especially if the moderators allow  it to remain?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> All I will say is this.  I’m not at

RE: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Sounds like dropbox isn't set up and there for he's not sharing it.

Unless he has put the files into the dropbox system via a webpage and  shared 
them that way.

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 6 July 2020 4:44 AM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
Subject: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

Yo everyone!

Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files using 
Dropbox on the Mac.
He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
permission to access.
But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
They are not showing up though.

But here's the really strange thing.
He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon showing up 
in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that is.

Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?

Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.

This address is for personal contact:
garypric...@icloud.com

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RE: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

2020-07-05 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Enough for fuck sake!

Infact so much enough,
I'm out of here.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, 6 July 2020 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Query regarding Dropbox on Mac.

But that is where the problem is here.
First, this is not a left or right list...whatever that means in relationship 
to Apple.
second, some of what you claim is apart of who you are  technically cannot 
exist as you describe it, and third, you have been using that signature 
before   the Firefox thread even started.
If my effort of learning about the mac is decreased because you have projected 
a sense of personal paranoia onto a list where no request that  you apologized 
ever took place i wish to know.
Otherwise, why is your signature appropriate for this list at all?
Especially if the moderators allow  it to remain?

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

> All I will say is this.  I’m not attempting to tell anyone here what to 
> believe:  Just saying that I refuse to apologize for what I am.  Three things 
> about me andthat I keep being told are wrong by those on the left.  I have 
> concluded to make the kind of stand which will best defend my positions while 
> not imposing them on others.  However, to directly answer your question as 
> best I can.  The recent Firefox thread will contain some examples of this.  
> I’m done.
>
>
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my 
> Southernness
>
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>
>> Ray,
>> Given the number of members who have left due to  aspects of your signature, 
>> and your claim  that members here have done what you state, asking you to 
>> apologize, can you provide specific  posts and examples of those incidents?
>> Specifically members on this list, not hypothetical generalities outside of  
>> this apple focused group.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> First, If he’s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be found 
>>> in the applications folder.  Open it from there.
>>>
>>> Now, with respect to the public folder, that’s not how it’s done 
>>> anymore.  He can just put the file he’s trying to share with you at the 
>>> route of the Drop Box folder itself and create a link directly to it from 
>>> the short cut menu.  He sends you the link and off you go.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my 
>>> Southernness
>>>
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>
 On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Yo everyone!

 Please can anyone come up with any ideas.
 My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files 
 using Dropbox on the Mac.
 He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me 
 permission to access.
 But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website.
 They are not showing up though.

 But here's the really strange thing.
 He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac.
 He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon 
 showing up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like that 
 is.

 Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out?

 Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
 Gary Price
 Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.

 This address is for personal contact:
 garypric...@icloud.com

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2020-07-05 Thread Gerry Cook




Hi just testing to see! if i get bounces thanks Mark.  

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