Re: orbit reader and mac?

[David Chittenden]

Hi Eric,

The BliTab, which has not been released and is quite possibly vaperware, is 
using micro-fluidics for driving the dots. This looks like the lowest cost 
option to date, especially for half-page or full-page displays.

I would avoid the Orbit technology solution. It is quite noisy, and they still 
have production issues after millions of dollars of investment and several 
years.

Dot Corp (Dot Watch) and BrailleMe are both using variants on electro-megnetic 
strips with decent success. The primary negative comments I read are around the 
dots requiring significantly less pressure or they collapse. Applying too much 
pressure is quite common amongst the blind.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Right now, I am still formulating the idea for the project itself. It will be 
> a complete open source braille notetaker using readily available off the 
> shelf components (including the Orbit display, if I can get it cheap enough). 
> I might also consider a new design for the braille cells that uses no moving 
> parts and has flat plate electrodes for the dots. This would, by minute 
> electrical charge on the electrodes mimic a raised cell dot. This would 
> eliminate the problem of mechanical servo controlled cells and their 
> excessive cost.
> 
> One thing I would change, all parts inside the machine are modular, this 
> would allow easy replacement by the end user if any of the components should 
> break down. Like I stated in my original posting, this would be completely 
> open source. I still have to figure out how to power the electrode strip (if 
> I go that route).
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with you, it is unprofessional of them to say what they said.  
>> Hopefully with more people buying these displays, something will happen.
>> Are you saying you are working on a display? or a way to update displays?
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2018, at 9:48 pm, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a possible open source OS idea I am working on via the RaspberryVi 
>>> mailing list. It would essentially replace the closed source OS of the unit 
>>> (and also possibly even the computer core) with an open source alternative 
>>> that wouldn’t be tied to any given OS for upgrades and maintenance. In 
>>> fact, because of the nature of the project I have in mind, the unit could 
>>> be self updated/upgraded without the use of an external computer.
>>> 
>>> Btw, for a company to put off a prospective customer like this is entirely 
>>> unacceptable and definitely unprofessional. If I can get my project off the 
>>> ground, the Unit would be feature rich, Linux/Raspian based, self 
>>> updatable/upgradable and I would have competent techs on board to help out. 
>>> Call me old school, but I believe that customer support is just as 
>>> important as good product specifications.
>>> 
>>> Btw, considering that the RaspberryPi (the core computer unit) has an OS 
>>> that is run off an SD card, upgrading storage space or replacing (should it 
>>> die) is as easy as opening up the cover, sliding out the old, sliding in 
>>> the new, installing from backup (using any other machine run by windows, OS 
>>> X or Linux) to hold the image. So much easier than how the likes of FS, 
>>> HLMS/Hims and others do it.
>>> 
>>> Leave it to a technically savvy linux guru who is blind to come up with a 
>>> better solution, eh?
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 20, 2018, at 4:35 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 they basically told me no plans were being made; it would be too 
 expensive, and when I pointed out if it was a display for all there should 
 be a universal way to update not tied to an operating system they told me 
 that was too bad this was the way it was, and to stop complaining. put me 
 off the dvice altogether.
 
 On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
 
 
 Also have any mac users started any kind of discussion with the 
 manufacturers about being able to update the reader with a mac?
 
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Re: orbit reader and mac?

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm.
Ok, so Orbit might be out. I was thinking of an electro strip that has surface 
inlayed electrodes and would be made of either a hard plastic or glass. This 
would be similar to having an etched circuit board (2 sided) where the 
electrodes would be plated on and connected via thru-holes to the backplane. 
This would certainly make things a bit more robust. Another idea just now, the 
use of an older tech 7 segment display driver chip setup in such a way to be 
able to turn on and off dots as needed. This would also prevent ground loop 
issues between cell dots. Also, the current would not be DC (as such) but 
either pulsed DC (at high frequencies) or AC (also at high frequencies). This 
would make each dot easier to read and there wouldn’t be the constant charge 
sitting on the dots.

I guess those 3 years at Devry back in the mid 1980’s did me some good.

Oh, and because the RaspberryPi has a 40 pin I/O strip, that can be used with 
other background programs to power the display and provide the needed data to 
the display itself.

Btw, you see some of my thought processes at work here. :)

Anyway, let me know about any ideas, thoughts etc. on this. Who knows, if I get 
it into a kickstarter, your name can be attached as one of the secondary 
designers. :)

-Eric


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:31 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> The BliTab, which has not been released and is quite possibly vaperware, is 
> using micro-fluidics for driving the dots. This looks like the lowest cost 
> option to date, especially for half-page or full-page displays.
> 
> I would avoid the Orbit technology solution. It is quite noisy, and they 
> still have production issues after millions of dollars of investment and 
> several years.
> 
> Dot Corp (Dot Watch) and BrailleMe are both using variants on 
> electro-megnetic strips with decent success. The primary negative comments I 
> read are around the dots requiring significantly less pressure or they 
> collapse. Applying too much pressure is quite common amongst the blind.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Right now, I am still formulating the idea for the project itself. It will 
>> be a complete open source braille notetaker using readily available off the 
>> shelf components (including the Orbit display, if I can get it cheap 
>> enough). I might also consider a new design for the braille cells that uses 
>> no moving parts and has flat plate electrodes for the dots. This would, by 
>> minute electrical charge on the electrodes mimic a raised cell dot. This 
>> would eliminate the problem of mechanical servo controlled cells and their 
>> excessive cost.
>> 
>> One thing I would change, all parts inside the machine are modular, this 
>> would allow easy replacement by the end user if any of the components should 
>> break down. Like I stated in my original posting, this would be completely 
>> open source. I still have to figure out how to power the electrode strip (if 
>> I go that route).
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with you, it is unprofessional of them to say what they said.  
>>> Hopefully with more people buying these displays, something will happen.
>>> Are you saying you are working on a display? or a way to update displays?
>>> 
>>> Maria
>>> 
 On 21 Oct 2018, at 9:48 pm, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 I have a possible open source OS idea I am working on via the RaspberryVi 
 mailing list. It would essentially replace the closed source OS of the 
 unit (and also possibly even the computer core) with an open source 
 alternative that wouldn’t be tied to any given OS for upgrades and 
 maintenance. In fact, because of the nature of the project I have in mind, 
 the unit could be self updated/upgraded without the use of an external 
 computer.
 
 Btw, for a company to put off a prospective customer like this is entirely 
 unacceptable and definitely unprofessional. If I can get my project off 
 the ground, the Unit would be feature rich, Linux/Raspian based, self 
 updatable/upgradable and I would have competent techs on board to help 
 out. Call me old school, but I believe that customer support is just as 
 important as good product specifications.
 
 Btw, considering that the RaspberryPi (the core computer unit) has an OS 
 that is run off an SD card, upgrading storage space or replacing (should 
 it die) is as easy as opening up the cover, sliding out the old, sliding 
 in the new, installing from backup (using any other machine run by 
 windows, OS X or Linux) to hold the image. So much easier than how the 
 likes of FS, HLMS/Hims and others do it.
 
 Leave it to a technically savvy linux guru who is blind to come up with a 
 better 

RE: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Simon Fogarty]

We have a site over here in NZ called Mega UpLoad,

It gives you 50GB for free,

Might be worth a start looking at something like that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Monday, 22 October 2018 7:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
procedure is quite detailed): 
http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/

If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.

Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime members. 
They mean unlimited too.

So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface or 
go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.

-Eric


> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all my friends:
> I got a new Seegate  HD.
> after 2 or 3 weeks.
> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
> 
> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
> THe Operation over all is failed.
> 
> details:
> File system verify or repair. faile.
> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
> Invalid Record count.
> VOlume could not be unmounted.
> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
> need to know your opinion,
> and what can cause this issue?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
\
\also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is somehting 
that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the new files.
only.


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
> these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
> procedure is quite detailed): 
> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
> 
> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
> online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
> 
> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
> members. They mean unlimited too.
> 
> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface 
> or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all my friends:
>> I got a new Seegate  HD.
>> after 2 or 3 weeks.
>> when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
>> will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
>> it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
>> 
>> i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
>> i will write here what were failed during the scan:
>> THe Operation over all is failed.
>> 
>> details:
>> File system verify or repair. faile.
>> The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
>> Invalid Record count.
>> VOlume could not be unmounted.
>> It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
>> need to know your opinion,
>> and what can cause this issue?
>> 
>> thanks in advance
>> 
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Re: Removing the clam xv antivirus completly.

[Ramy Moustafa]

HI:
i went there but can not find the folder, i can find the launch agent, log and 
all things except this folder.
is it hidden or something?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:26 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Launch Daemons s in the Library folder.  When in the Finder, press 
> cmd-shift-h to open your Home directory, then use VO-m to go up to the 
> MenuBar, then VO-right to go to the Go menu, then VO-down to the Library 
> folder.  Make sure that you have the VO keys down when going through the Go 
> menu, otherwise you probably won't see the Library item.  Once the Library is 
> open, Launch Daemons is in there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 14:34, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> FOr unknown reason, i could not buy the app, so i manually, removed teh CLam 
> xv.
> but just askng please, i can not find the Launch Daemons folder on my user 
> /library.
> where does it go?
> i can find all folders except this.
> any idease?
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> i got the APp cleaner, and i’m using the free now, i selected an app, and i 
>> selected to remove the service files,
>> now, it is removing for about 10 minutes, my mac is not hanging , but is it 
>> regular to take all that time?
>> so strange.
>> and i can not even close it or somehting.
>> do you use it?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, downloading it right now.
>>> thanks in advance 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I suggest you try an app called AppCleaner.  You should be able to get rid 
 of all related items.  Wondering though if since you've already trashed 
 the app, if you may find that it is not so easy to find all its related 
 files.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:21, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 there is no removal tool at all in the packedge.
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:58 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My research tells me that your easiest method is to use the tool provided 
> in the Clam XAV Installer you downloaded.  In that package, there should 
> be a removal engine tool.  Run that app, then remove the app from the 
> Applications folder, restart your Mac and you should be OK.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:36, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> I installed the Clam xv antivirus and need to remove it.
> i removed it from the apps folder but still in the extrus menu.
> it perform scan and so on.
> so, how can i remove it completly?
> 
> thanks in advance 
> 
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Re: Removing the clam xv antivirus completly.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Actually, Launch Daemons are only in the main Library folder, not in the user 
specific one.  Open Macintosh HD, Library and find Launch Daemons in there.  
You'll find a Launch Agents in there as well.  I'd check in both Launch Agents 
and Launch Daemons in both locations for safety.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 05:46, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

HI:
i went there but can not find the folder, i can find the launch agent, log and 
all things except this folder.
is it hidden or something?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:26 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Launch Daemons s in the Library folder.  When in the Finder, press 
> cmd-shift-h to open your Home directory, then use VO-m to go up to the 
> MenuBar, then VO-right to go to the Go menu, then VO-down to the Library 
> folder.  Make sure that you have the VO keys down when going through the Go 
> menu, otherwise you probably won't see the Library item.  Once the Library is 
> open, Launch Daemons is in there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 14:34, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> FOr unknown reason, i could not buy the app, so i manually, removed teh CLam 
> xv.
> but just askng please, i can not find the Launch Daemons folder on my user 
> /library.
> where does it go?
> i can find all folders except this.
> any idease?
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> i got the APp cleaner, and i’m using the free now, i selected an app, and i 
>> selected to remove the service files,
>> now, it is removing for about 10 minutes, my mac is not hanging , but is it 
>> regular to take all that time?
>> so strange.
>> and i can not even close it or somehting.
>> do you use it?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, downloading it right now.
>>> thanks in advance 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I suggest you try an app called AppCleaner.  You should be able to get rid 
 of all related items.  Wondering though if since you've already trashed 
 the app, if you may find that it is not so easy to find all its related 
 files.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:21, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 there is no removal tool at all in the packedge.
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:58 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My research tells me that your easiest method is to use the tool provided 
> in the Clam XAV Installer you downloaded.  In that package, there should 
> be a removal engine tool.  Run that app, then remove the app from the 
> Applications folder, restart your Mac and you should be OK.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:36, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> I installed the Clam xv antivirus and need to remove it.
> i removed it from the apps folder but still in the extrus menu.
> it perform scan and so on.
> so, how can i remove it completly?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Re: Removing the clam xv antivirus completly.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:
ok, i found the launch daemons on my mac HD, but not on my user, something 
happened that makes it disappeared from my user/ library?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:27 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Launch Daemons are only in the main Library folder, not in the user 
> specific one.  Open Macintosh HD, Library and find Launch Daemons in there.  
> You'll find a Launch Agents in there as well.  I'd check in both Launch 
> Agents and Launch Daemons in both locations for safety.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 05:46, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> HI:
> i went there but can not find the folder, i can find the launch agent, log 
> and all things except this folder.
> is it hidden or something?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:26 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Launch Daemons s in the Library folder.  When in the Finder, press 
>> cmd-shift-h to open your Home directory, then use VO-m to go up to the 
>> MenuBar, then VO-right to go to the Go menu, then VO-down to the Library 
>> folder.  Make sure that you have the VO keys down when going through the Go 
>> menu, otherwise you probably won't see the Library item.  Once the Library 
>> is open, Launch Daemons is in there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 14:34, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> FOr unknown reason, i could not buy the app, so i manually, removed teh CLam 
>> xv.
>> but just askng please, i can not find the Launch Daemons folder on my user 
>> /library.
>> where does it go?
>> i can find all folders except this.
>> any idease?
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> i got the APp cleaner, and i’m using the free now, i selected an app, and i 
>>> selected to remove the service files,
>>> now, it is removing for about 10 minutes, my mac is not hanging , but is it 
>>> regular to take all that time?
>>> so strange.
>>> and i can not even close it or somehting.
>>> do you use it?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Ok, downloading it right now.
 thanks in advance 
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I suggest you try an app called AppCleaner.  You should be able to get 
> rid of all related items.  Wondering though if since you've already 
> trashed the app, if you may find that it is not so easy to find all its 
> related files.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:21, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> there is no removal tool at all in the packedge.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:58 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My research tells me that your easiest method is to use the tool 
>> provided in the Clam XAV Installer you downloaded.  In that package, 
>> there should be a removal engine tool.  Run that app, then remove the 
>> app from the Applications folder, restart your Mac and you should be OK.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:36, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> I installed the Clam xv antivirus and need to remove it.
>> i removed it from the apps folder but still in the extrus menu.
>> it perform scan and so on.
>> so, how can i remove it completly?
>> 
>> thanks in advance 
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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Matt]

Have you looked at backblaze?

Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.

On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
\
\also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is somehting 
that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the new files.
only.



On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
procedure is quite detailed): 
http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/

If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.

Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime members. 
They mean unlimited too.

So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible interface or 
go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.

-Eric



On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all my friends:
I got a new Seegate  HD.
after 2 or 3 weeks.
when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, i 
will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.

i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
i will write here what were failed during the scan:
THe Operation over all is failed.

details:
File system verify or repair. faile.
The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
Invalid Record count.
VOlume could not be unmounted.
It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
need to know your opinion,
and what can cause this issue?

thanks in advance

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Re: Urgent help please, my External Hd is in danger.

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok, ok, but as i was asking, will it just check my data on different hard 
drives and compare them or what?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at backblaze?
> 
> Its $5.00 for unlimited storage a month.
> 
> On 10/22/2018 7:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Aha, but how will i deal with chinees interface?
>> \
>> \also, is it like DRopbox, which it will compare my data and the old data?
>> am looking now for a good backup apps or websites that can do this thing.
>> It’s so frustrated to copy all my data again and again, all i need is 
>> somehting that will look and compare my old data with new data to take the 
>> new files.
>> only.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ouch. That sucks and if your drive is that full, getting an online backup 
>>> solution that is cheap won’t be easy. However, you might want to check out 
>>> these guys (note, the site where you sign up would be in Chinese, but the 
>>> procedure is quite detailed): 
>>> http://www.1mtb.com/how-to-get-36-tb-free-cloud-storage-from-qihoo-360-yunpan-cloud-drive/
>>> 
>>> If you are able to go through the whole thing, then you have 36 TB of free 
>>> online storage. I just wish they had a full English website.
>>> 
>>> Also, Amazon offers unlimited storage for about $5 per month for prime 
>>> members. They mean unlimited too.
>>> 
>>> So, you could spend a little cash and have a reasonably accessible 
>>> interface or go free and hope you can plow through the Chinese interface.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all my friends:
 I got a new Seegate  HD.
 after 2 or 3 weeks.
 when opening my mac, i got a message that my Seegate Hd can not be scaned, 
 i will not be able to save or copy on it, but still can access my data.
 it asked me to take a backup from it very soon. and reformat My HD.
 
 i went to disk utility,and made run 1st aid, and it failed.
 i will write here what were failed during the scan:
 THe Operation over all is failed.
 
 details:
 File system verify or repair. faile.
 The volume see gate could not be verified completly.
 Invalid Record count.
 VOlume could not be unmounted.
 It is 4 Tb. so taking all data is really difficult.
 need to know your opinion,
 and what can cause this issue?
 
 thanks in advance
 
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Re: Removing the clam xv antivirus completly.

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Yes it is just in the main Library folder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 10/22/2018 6:10 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi:
ok, i found the launch daemons on my mac HD, but not on my user, 
something happened that makes it disappeared from my user/ library?



On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:27 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

Actually, Launch Daemons are only in the main Library folder, not in 
the user specific one.  Open Macintosh HD, Library and find Launch 
Daemons in there.  You'll find a Launch Agents in there as well.  I'd 
check in both Launch Agents and Launch Daemons in both locations for 
safety.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 05:46, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:


HI:
i went there but can not find the folder, i can find the launch agent, 
log and all things except this folder.

is it hidden or something?


On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:26 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

Launch Daemons s in the Library folder.  When in the Finder, press 
cmd-shift-h to open your Home directory, then use VO-m to go up to 
the MenuBar, then VO-right to go to the Go menu, then VO-down to the 
Library folder.  Make sure that you have the VO keys down when going 
through the Go menu, otherwise you probably won't see the Library 
item.  Once the Library is open, Launch Daemons is in there.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 21, 2018, at 14:34, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:


Hi:

FOr unknown reason, i could not buy the app, so i manually, removed 
teh CLam xv.
but just askng please, i can not find the Launch Daemons folder on my 
user /library.

where does it go?
i can find all folders except this.
any idease?

On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi:

i got the APp cleaner, and i’m using the free now, i selected an 
app, and i selected to remove the service files,
now, it is removing for about 10 minutes, my mac is not hanging , 
but is it regular to take all that time?

so strange.
and i can not even close it or somehting.
do you use it?


On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Ok, downloading it right now.
thanks in advance


On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

I suggest you try an app called AppCleaner.  You should be able to 
get rid of all related items.  Wondering though if since you've 
already trashed the app, if you may find that it is not so easy to 
find all its related files.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:21, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi:

there is no removal tool at all in the packedge.


On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:58 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

My research tells me that your easiest method is to use the tool 
provided in the Clam XAV Installer you downloaded.  In that 
package, there should be a removal engine tool.  Run that app, 
then remove the app from the Applications folder, restart your 
Mac and you should be OK.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:36, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I installed the Clam xv antivirus and need to remove it.
i removed it from the apps folder but still in the extrus menu.
it perform scan and so on.
so, how can i remove it completly?

thanks in advance

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Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do i 
have another alternative to be a accessible?
and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot from 
the new Mavericks not from Sierra?

thanks in advance 

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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

[tim]

They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they just 
sent it to me and added it to the bill.
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is that 
> I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to wait 
> while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from home 
> online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my husband 
> got home and could complete that final step.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
>> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > on behalf of Mary Otten 
>> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>>  
>> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
>> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
>> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
>> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
>> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link that 
>> I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use a 
>> service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do with 
>> that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or write 
>> your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this box, 
>> so this process is not accessible. The customer service person at T-Mobile 
>> was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had really no knowledge 
>> of this in accessible box. When my husband got home tonight, he did the 
>> signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone has found a way around 
>> this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to me I’ve purchased an 
>> iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the same process, only I 
>> don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I didn’t have that stupid 
>> box. I wonder how others did with their online purchases through carriers.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: What to use except handbrake to rip dvd's.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, i’ve heard that this takes a very very long time but that of corse depends 
on the hardware too.
I found and bought an app called macx dvd ripper.
/A

> 19 okt. 2018 kl. 18:58 skrev Eric Oyen :
> 
> Um, you could always use VLC.
> I have used VLC to recode DVD rips into something less space intensive and 
> also in “play anywhere” format.
> 
> It even has a wizard in the main program that can walk you through the steps 
> to do this. Just be aware, some of the output file types may require further 
> work.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:40 AM, gerrycook > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi and as what about MDRP mac the ripper pro. 
>> cheers gerry have a nice day
>> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au 
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>>> On 19 Oct 2018, at 4:57 am, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have been using handBrake to rip dvd’s.
>>> But i don’t like  that it can not encrypt copright protected dvd’s.
>>> I could ofcorse use  makemkv  but since the terminal is a bit klunky with 
>>> speech i don’t want to use it.
>>> So are there alternatives?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: orbit reader and mac?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I couldn’t say it much better than you.
THe VarioUltra i have has the very very old Windows CE which i think won’t be 
supported from 2019.
Really odd sollution even though the display hardware is great.
/A

> 21 okt. 2018 kl. 12:48 skrev Eric Oyen :
> 
> I have a possible open source OS idea I am working on via the RaspberryVi 
> mailing list. It would essentially replace the closed source OS of the unit 
> (and also possibly even the computer core) with an open source alternative 
> that wouldn’t be tied to any given OS for upgrades and maintenance. In fact, 
> because of the nature of the project I have in mind, the unit could be self 
> updated/upgraded without the use of an external computer.
> 
> Btw, for a company to put off a prospective customer like this is entirely 
> unacceptable and definitely unprofessional. If I can get my project off the 
> ground, the Unit would be feature rich, Linux/Raspian based, self 
> updatable/upgradable and I would have competent techs on board to help out. 
> Call me old school, but I believe that customer support is just as important 
> as good product specifications.
> 
> Btw, considering that the RaspberryPi (the core computer unit) has an OS that 
> is run off an SD card, upgrading storage space or replacing (should it die) 
> is as easy as opening up the cover, sliding out the old, sliding in the new, 
> installing from backup (using any other machine run by windows, OS X or 
> Linux) to hold the image. So much easier than how the likes of FS, HLMS/Hims 
> and others do it.
> 
> Leave it to a technically savvy linux guru who is blind to come up with a 
> better solution, eh?
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 4:35 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> they basically told me no plans were being made; it would be too expensive, 
>> and when I pointed out if it was a display for all there should be a 
>> universal way to update not tied to an operating system they told me that 
>> was too bad this was the way it was, and to stop complaining. put me off the 
>> dvice altogether.
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Also have any mac users started any kind of discussion with the 
>> manufacturers about being able to update the reader with a mac?
>> 
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

[Mika Pyyhkala]

I think with DocuSign you have two options:
Option 1 to draw your signature; or
Option 2 to type your name.

So if option 2 was aavailable, that should be accessible.  I have
signed documents with DocuSign in this way in the past.  However, each
DocuSign client may be able to configure their service slightly
differently.

One other option that comes to mind is you can use AIRA with Team
Viewer, to have an AIRA agent perform actions on your behalf on your
computer.

I have had to have them sign documents for me in systems other than
DocuSign, and also complete any other number of tasks on the web that
may not be accessible.

Also if you are a Jaws customer, and having trouble with a web form,
you can obtain the AIRA minutes without taking them out of your plan
by using the VFO promotional offer.

I am not certain if you are an AIRA guest if you can use specifically
the VFO offer but you are able to use some of the offers even if you
are a nonsubscribing Aira guest.

Best,
Mika

On 10/22/18, tim  wrote:
> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they
> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is
>> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to
>> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from
>> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my
>> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week
>>> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  >> > on behalf of Mary Otten
>>> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ;
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>>>
>>> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through
>>> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having
>>> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of
>>> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile
>>> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link
>>> that I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use
>>> a service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do
>>> with that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or
>>> write your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see
>>> this box, so this process is not accessible. The customer service person
>>> at T-Mobile was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had
>>> really no knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home
>>> tonight, he did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone
>>> has found a way around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to
>>> me I’ve purchased an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the
>>> same process, only I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I
>>> didn’t have that stupid box. I wonder how others did with their online
>>> purchases through carriers.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Question about GarageBand and other music editing software

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Steve,

If you’re looking for more instruments that you can use in Garage Band, I would 
recommend looking at Logic Pro X from Apple.

You can find this in the app store and it is extremely accessible right out of 
the box. It does take a bit of a learning curve though. However, if you are 
already using Garage Band, then you should have no trouble at all learning 
Logic since it is based on the same paradigm.

The app costs $199.99 last time I checked and it comes with about 70 GB of 
instruments you can use both in Logic or in Garage Band.

Logic is quite a bit more sophisticated than GB and is an industry standard 
recording package just like ProTools.

The Exception being that its sound libraries are interchangeable with Garage 
Band as I mentioned. Whereas the stock libraries which come with ProTools are 
not useable in Garage Band.

So you could purchase Logic now and use its libraries in Garage Band and 
venture into learning Logic Pro X as you go.

Ultimately, if you wish to do serious recording, you will want to eventually 
use Logic or ProTools. Both are excellent apps.

Hope this helps and please have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara

On Oct 21, 2018, at 5:03 AM, Likidefs  wrote:

> Hi,
Do you know if there is a software to download which will give me more 
instruments for GarageBand other than those are included?
> And, is there any other software sides garage band with a lot of instruments 
> choices?
Thanks
Steve

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Re: Removing the clam xv antivirus completly.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No.  It is only in the one location.  There is not a Launch Daemons folder in 
your User folder.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 07:10, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi:
ok, i found the launch daemons on my mac HD, but not on my user, something 
happened that makes it disappeared from my user/ library?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:27 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Launch Daemons are only in the main Library folder, not in the user 
> specific one.  Open Macintosh HD, Library and find Launch Daemons in there.  
> You'll find a Launch Agents in there as well.  I'd check in both Launch 
> Agents and Launch Daemons in both locations for safety.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 05:46, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> HI:
> i went there but can not find the folder, i can find the launch agent, log 
> and all things except this folder.
> is it hidden or something?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:26 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Launch Daemons s in the Library folder.  When in the Finder, press 
>> cmd-shift-h to open your Home directory, then use VO-m to go up to the 
>> MenuBar, then VO-right to go to the Go menu, then VO-down to the Library 
>> folder.  Make sure that you have the VO keys down when going through the Go 
>> menu, otherwise you probably won't see the Library item.  Once the Library 
>> is open, Launch Daemons is in there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 14:34, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> FOr unknown reason, i could not buy the app, so i manually, removed teh CLam 
>> xv.
>> but just askng please, i can not find the Launch Daemons folder on my user 
>> /library.
>> where does it go?
>> i can find all folders except this.
>> any idease?
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> i got the APp cleaner, and i’m using the free now, i selected an app, and i 
>>> selected to remove the service files,
>>> now, it is removing for about 10 minutes, my mac is not hanging , but is it 
>>> regular to take all that time?
>>> so strange.
>>> and i can not even close it or somehting.
>>> do you use it?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Ok, downloading it right now.
 thanks in advance 
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I suggest you try an app called AppCleaner.  You should be able to get 
> rid of all related items.  Wondering though if since you've already 
> trashed the app, if you may find that it is not so easy to find all its 
> related files.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:21, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> there is no removal tool at all in the packedge.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:58 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My research tells me that your easiest method is to use the tool 
>> provided in the Clam XAV Installer you downloaded.  In that package, 
>> there should be a removal engine tool.  Run that app, then remove the 
>> app from the Applications folder, restart your Mac and you should be OK.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 06:36, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> I installed the Clam xv antivirus and need to remove it.
>> i removed it from the apps folder but still in the extrus menu.
>> it perform scan and so on.
>> so, how can i remove it completly?
>> 
>> thanks in advance 
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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.

1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?

2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough that 
it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then you 
cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer will not 
accept Mavericks.

3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from scratch 
on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose which one 
you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do i 
have another alternative to be a accessible?
and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot from 
the new Mavericks not from Sierra?

thanks in advance 

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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Tim:
His mac is 2010 model.
Do not know why he needs this version, but anyway, he bought a new HD,
I will follow these steps and correct me if am wrong.
1- I downloaded the Mavericks already.
2- I will use a flash drive and make it bootable by installing the Mavericks on 
it via terminal.
3- will restart my mac,
4- will press Option while booting, 
do not know the other steps to install Mavericks on his new Hd.
Is there a way to do this?


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>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.
> 
> 1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?
> 
> 2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough 
> that it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then 
> you cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer 
> will not accept Mavericks.
> 
> 3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
> Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
> Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from 
> scratch on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose 
> which one you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System 
> Preferences.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
> He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
> and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
> We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
> and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do 
> i have another alternative to be a accessible?
> and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot 
> from the new Mavericks not from Sierra?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Converting our Hard disks on mac to APFS, is it useful?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

am thinking of converting all my external Hard disks to APFS, am working on 
high sierra,
do you suggest doing this or not?
and can i do this inside my system or i must go through the Recovery mode?
must i format my Hd?

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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok:
And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of master 
boot record or what?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.
> 
> 1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?
> 
> 2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough 
> that it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then 
> you cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer 
> will not accept Mavericks.
> 
> 3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
> Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
> Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from 
> scratch on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose 
> which one you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System 
> Preferences.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
> He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
> and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
> We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
> and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do 
> i have another alternative to be a accessible?
> and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot 
> from the new Mavericks not from Sierra?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You need to use the GUID Partition Map on the drive if you want it to be 
bootable by a Mac.  Using Master Boot Record or the older version of the Apple 
Partition Map protocol will make the drive not bootable.  Once you have the 
installer made, you can use System Preferences, Startup Disk to start from any 
bootable volume.  This method is accessible whereas the Option key method is 
not.

I apologize if my responses are delayed, as I'm sitting in an airport right now 
and will soon be in the air where I will not have Internet access at all.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 13:46, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Ok:
And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of master 
boot record or what?


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.
> 
> 1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?
> 
> 2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough 
> that it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then 
> you cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer 
> will not accept Mavericks.
> 
> 3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
> Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
> Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from 
> scratch on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose 
> which one you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System 
> Preferences.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
> He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
> and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
> We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
> and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do 
> i have another alternative to be a accessible?
> and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot 
> from the new Mavericks not from Sierra?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Re: Converting our Hard disks on mac to APFS, is it useful?

[jeff `greene]

Hi Ramy,
I wouldn't do this, especially if your drives are the spinning kind.
John and Dave on the mac geek gab podcast talked about this a few
shows ago, and people were loosing everything on their drives after
conversion. Apfs is fine for solid-state drives.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 10/22/18, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hi:
>
> am thinking of converting all my external Hard disks to APFS, am working on
> high sierra,
> do you suggest doing this or not?
> and can i do this inside my system or i must go through the Recovery mode?
> must i format my Hd?
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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much but just to understand please.
will i install the Mavericks on the Flash drive 1st then install it to the new 
Hard drive or i will install it to the new hard drive?
just need to understand.


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:16 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You need to use the GUID Partition Map on the drive if you want it to be 
> bootable by a Mac.  Using Master Boot Record or the older version of the 
> Apple Partition Map protocol will make the drive not bootable.  Once you have 
> the installer made, you can use System Preferences, Startup Disk to start 
> from any bootable volume.  This method is accessible whereas the Option key 
> method is not.
> 
> I apologize if my responses are delayed, as I'm sitting in an airport right 
> now and will soon be in the air where I will not have Internet access at all.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 13:46, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Ok:
> And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of 
> master boot record or what?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.
>> 
>> 1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?
>> 
>> 2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough 
>> that it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then 
>> you cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer 
>> will not accept Mavericks.
>> 
>> 3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
>> Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
>> Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from 
>> scratch on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose 
>> which one you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System 
>> Preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
>> He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
>> and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on 
>> it.
>> We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a 
>> restart and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this 
>> write. or do i have another alternative to be a accessible?
>> and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot 
>> from the new Mavericks not from Sierra?
>> 
>> thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

['Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries]

I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just click 
one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo spacebar on 
it.

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim  wrote:
> 
> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they 
> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is 
>> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to 
>> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from 
>> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my 
>> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
>>> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > on behalf of Mary Otten 
>>> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>>>  
>>> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
>>> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
>>> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
>>> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
>>> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link that 
>>> I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use a 
>>> service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do with 
>>> that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or write 
>>> your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this box, 
>>> so this process is not accessible. The customer service person at T-Mobile 
>>> was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had really no 
>>> knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home tonight, he 
>>> did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone has found a way 
>>> around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to me I’ve purchased 
>>> an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the same process, only 
>>> I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I didn’t have that stupid 
>>> box. I wonder how others did with their online purchases through carriers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

[Mary Otten]

I was not using a Mac. I was using my phone. Maybe it’s a different site.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:24 PM, 'Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just click 
> one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo spacebar 
> on it.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they 
>> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is 
>>> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to 
>>> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from 
>>> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my 
>>> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer 
  wrote:
 
 Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
 and went strate to the t-mobile store.
 Matthew
 
 
 
 Get Outlook for iOS
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
 behalf of Mary Otten 
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
 To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
  
 I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
 T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
 problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
 experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
 was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link 
 that I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use a 
 service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do with 
 that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or write 
 your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this 
 box, so this process is not accessible. The customer service person at 
 T-Mobile was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had really 
 no knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home tonight, 
 he did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone has found a 
 way around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to me I’ve 
 purchased an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the same 
 process, only I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I didn’t 
 have that stupid box. I wonder how others did with their online purchases 
 through carriers.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

['Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries]

I was using phone also, but used the rotter to do everything with swiping.

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I was not using a Mac. I was using my phone. Maybe it’s a different site.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:24 PM, 'Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just 
>> click one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo 
>> spacebar on it.
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they 
>>> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
 On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is 
 that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to 
 wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from 
 home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my 
 husband got home and could complete that final step.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer 
 >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > on behalf of Mary Otten 
> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>  
> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link 
> that I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use 
> a service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do 
> with that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or 
> write your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see 
> this box, so this process is not accessible. The customer service person 
> at T-Mobile was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had 
> really no knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home 
> tonight, he did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone 
> has found a way around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to 
> me I’ve purchased an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the 
> same process, only I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I 
> didn’t have that stupid box. I wonder how others did with their online 
> purchases through carriers.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I bought mine directly from Apple, which was a smooth and accessible ordering 
experience via their Web site.

 

From: 'Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, October 22, 2018 at 17:24
To: 
Subject: Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

 

I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just click 
one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo spacebar on 
it.

 

On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim  wrote:

 

They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they just 
sent it to me and added it to the bill.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 

No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is that I 
did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to wait while 
we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from home online 
which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my husband got home 
and could complete that final step.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week and 
went strate to the t-mobile store.

Matthew

 

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Mary Otten 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

 

I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of experts“ 
on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile was very good. 
The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link that I had to use in 
order to electronically sign the document. They use a service called Doc you 
sign. And the very last thing you have to do with that service before you 
submit the order is to draw your initials or write your name in a box on the 
page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this box, so this process is not 
accessible. The customer service person at T-Mobile was apparently on familiar 
with this process, as she had really no knowledge of this in accessible box. 
When my husband got home tonight, he did the signing. When I am curious about 
is whether anyone has found a way around this ridiculous in accessible feature. 
It seems to me I’ve purchased an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile 
using the same process, only I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I 
didn’t have that stupid box. I wonder how others did with their online 
purchases through carriers.
Mary


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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

[lenron brown]

I was able to sign using my windows pc and firefox. You can put in
your name and your initials.

On 10/22/18, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> I bought mine directly from Apple, which was a smooth and accessible
> ordering experience via their Web site.
>
>
>
> From: 'Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Monday, October 22, 2018 at 17:24
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>
>
>
> I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just
> click one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo
> spacebar on it.
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim  wrote:
>
>
>
> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they
> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
>
>
> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is
> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to
> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from
> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my
> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week
> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
> behalf of Mary Otten 
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>
>
>
> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through
> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having
> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of
> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile
> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link that
> I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use a
> service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do with
> that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or write
> your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this box,
> so this process is not accessible. The customer service person at T-Mobile
> was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had really no knowledge
> of this in accessible box. When my husband got home tonight, he did the
> signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone has found a way around
> this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to me I’ve purchased an
> iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the same process, only I
> don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I didn’t have that stupid
> box. I wonder how others did with their online purchases through carriers.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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How to delete an email from the list that comes up when you start entering an address in the to field

[Mary Otten]

I have a friend who has just changed his email address. He changed ISPs. So the 
first part of his address remains the same, but of course he has a new provider 
for his Internet. I want to get rid of the old contact. It’s not actually in my 
contacts. But when I start typing in his address, it shows up as the first 
choice to auto complete. How can I delete that from my phone?
Mary


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Facetime on the Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   How do I get Facetime calls on the Mac to go to my headset? Thanks.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: How to delete an email from the list that comes up when you start entering an address in the to field

[David Chittenden]

Right flick to the more info button just after the email address which is now 
incorrect. Double tap on More Info. Find the remove button in this screen and 
double tap it to remove the old email address.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 10:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I have a friend who has just changed his email address. He changed ISPs. So 
> the first part of his address remains the same, but of course he has a new 
> provider for his Internet. I want to get rid of the old contact. It’s not 
> actually in my contacts. But when I start typing in his address, it shows up 
> as the first choice to auto complete. How can I delete that from my phone?
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You install the Mavericks Installer to the Flash drive, then use the Flash 
drive to install the Mavericks macOS to the hard drive.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 15:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Thanks so much but just to understand please.
will i install the Mavericks on the Flash drive 1st then install it to the new 
Hard drive or i will install it to the new hard drive?
just need to understand.


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:16 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You need to use the GUID Partition Map on the drive if you want it to be 
> bootable by a Mac.  Using Master Boot Record or the older version of the 
> Apple Partition Map protocol will make the drive not bootable.  Once you have 
> the installer made, you can use System Preferences, Startup Disk to start 
> from any bootable volume.  This method is accessible whereas the Option key 
> method is not.
> 
> I apologize if my responses are delayed, as I'm sitting in an airport right 
> now and will soon be in the air where I will not have Internet access at all.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 13:46, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Ok:
> And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of 
> master boot record or what?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.
>> 
>> 1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?
>> 
>> 2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough 
>> that it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then 
>> you cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer 
>> will not accept Mavericks.
>> 
>> 3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
>> Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
>> Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from 
>> scratch on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose 
>> which one you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System 
>> Preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
>> He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
>> and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on 
>> it.
>> We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a 
>> restart and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this 
>> write. or do i have another alternative to be a accessible?
>> and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot 
>> from the new Mavericks not from Sierra?
>> 
>> thanks in advance 
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Re: Facetime on the Mac

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Hi,

It is usually an automatic thing.  If the headphones are plugged in, they will 
have sound routed to them.  I'm guessing that this is not happening properly 
for you.  What kind of headphones are you using and what exactly is happening 
for you?

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On Oct 22, 2018, at 20:07, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  How do I get Facetime calls on the Mac to go to my headset? Thanks.

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Re: Facetime on the Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I am actually using an FM neckloop which has the transmitter 
connected to audio on the Mac. When I made the call, everything was fine 
with Voiceover until the call was answered. Had to quickly grab my iPhone.


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On 10/22/2018 7:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

It is usually an automatic thing.  If the headphones are plugged in, 
they will have sound routed to them.  I'm guessing that this is not 
happening properly for you.  What kind of headphones are you using and 
what exactly is happening for you?


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   How do I get Facetime calls on the Mac to go to my headset? Thanks.

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RE: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Simon Fogarty]

Everything is correct up to the restart mac,
You need to shut your machine down and then restart with Option key held down.

Then locate the mavericks installer USB flash drive and enter on that one,

   Ensure the new HD is formatted as a Mac OSX extended
And as aGUID under the disk utilities

Then once the drive is partitioned / formatted correctly
Start the installation.

However as Tim said,

Why if the previous drive is running sierra are you having him go back to 
mavericks?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2018 8:29 AM
To: mac mailing list 
Subject: Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

Hi Tim:
His mac is 2010 model.
Do not know why he needs this version, but anyway, he bought a new HD,
I will follow these steps and correct me if am wrong.
1- I downloaded the Mavericks already.
2- I will use a flash drive and make it bootable by installing the Mavericks on 
it via terminal.
3- will restart my mac,
4- will press Option while booting,
do not know the other steps to install Mavericks on his new Hd.
Is there a way to do this?



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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.

1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?

2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough that 
it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then you 
cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer will not 
accept Mavericks.

3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from scratch 
on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose which one 
you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.

Later...

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all:

My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do i 
have another alternative to be a accessible?
and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot from 
the new Mavericks not from Sierra?

thanks in advance

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RE: Converting our Hard disks on mac to APFS, is it useful?

[Simon Fogarty]

Don't format the external drives to apfs if the drives are spindle / non SSD 
drives.

It's not going to work well for you.

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Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2018 8:31 AM
To: mac mailing list 
Subject: Converting our Hard disks on mac to APFS, is it useful?

Hi:

am thinking of converting all my external Hard disks to APFS, am working on 
high sierra, do you suggest doing this or not?
and can i do this inside my system or i must go through the Recovery mode?
must i format my Hd?

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RE: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Simon Fogarty]

No,

Don’t use either,

You need to use GUID

MBR is for windows related drives.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2018 8:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

Ok:
And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of master 
boot record or what?



On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.

1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?

2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough that 
it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then you 
cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer will not 
accept Mavericks.

3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from scratch 
on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose which one 
you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all:

My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do i 
have another alternative to be a accessible?
and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot from 
the new Mavericks not from Sierra?

thanks in advance

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RE: Making Mavericks system for my friend

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

No you neeed to create an installation USB Flash Drive,

Which will have the Mavericks installation media on.

Then you start the mac you wish the os to be installed to on to the USB Flash 
drive.

Then from that you follow the installation instructions.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2018 9:27 AM
To: mac mailing list 
Subject: Re: Making Mavericks system for my friend

Thanks so much but just to understand please.
will i install the Mavericks on the Flash drive 1st then install it to the new 
Hard drive or i will install it to the new hard drive?
just need to understand.



On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:16 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

You need to use the GUID Partition Map on the drive if you want it to be 
bootable by a Mac.  Using Master Boot Record or the older version of the Apple 
Partition Map protocol will make the drive not bootable.  Once you have the 
installer made, you can use System Preferences, Startup Disk to start from any 
bootable volume.  This method is accessible whereas the Option key method is 
not.

I apologize if my responses are delayed, as I'm sitting in an airport right now 
and will soon be in the air where I will not have Internet access at all.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 13:46, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ok:
And may i askis it recommended to use the Apple Partetion map instead of master 
boot record or what?



On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

If it has Sierra on it, I have a few questions.

1.  Why does your friend need Mavericks?

2.  How old of a Mac is this?  I ask this because if the Mac is new enough that 
it came with something newer than Mavericks originally installed, then you 
cannot install Mavericks on it.  Any Mac that is a late 2014 or newer will not 
accept Mavericks.

3.  If it is a model that accepts Mavericks, you cannot install it on top of 
Sierra.  You either need to create a second partition where you can install 
Mavericks or wipe the drive clean of Sierra and install Mavericks from scratch 
on to the Mac.  If you do have two partitions, you can easily choose which one 
you wish to start from within the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2018, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all:

My friend just bought a disktop mac, and it has Sierra on it.
He needs to install Mavericks, so I got it from the appstore,
and i got my Flash drive, will gona format it and extract the installer on it.
We will install Mavericks on a new SSD, so, i read that i will make a restart 
and hit option to start installing from my flash drive. is this write. or do i 
have another alternative to be a accessible?
and, what about booting after installing, how will i tell the mac to boot from 
the new Mavericks not from Sierra?

thanks in advance

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