Re: An audio editor question

2018-03-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
It’s possible that left- and right brackets work, however they aren’t in the 
same place on the Swedish keyboard as on the US English so i don’t know if it’s 
at all possible to do this. I and O doesn’t work, it just produces the VO bong.
/Krister


> 18 mars 2018 kl. 19:33 skrev Raymond Foret Jr :
> 
> Did you try left bracket to drop a beginning marker and right bracket to drop 
> an end marker?  Or, if that doesn’t work, try i for in marker at the 
> beginning point of a selection and o for out marker at the end.  I’d like to 
> know if you got that  to work.
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 4:36 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello and sorry for the cross posting but i figured that if someone on one 
>> list doesn’t know this then maybe another one on the other list might know.
>> I’m using an audio editor for the Mac called TwistedWave which for the very 
>> most part is accessible, however i can for the life of me not figure out how 
>> to select small portions of audio from the keyboard. I have tried shift+left 
>> and or shift+right arrow but to no avail.
>> Yes there are the editors where you can punch in how long a selection should 
>> be time wise but that method is unprecise as i see it because even if you 
>> say how many seconds or whatever the sound should be, you could get in the 
>> middle of a sound you don’t want edited and what then? 
>> I want to be able to edit audibly so that i hear exactly what is to be cut 
>> and what not and if i have selected too little or too much i want to be able 
>> to nudge the selection left or right.
>> Yes Amadeus can do that but then you don’t have scrubbing and it’s tedious 
>> and cumbersome to edit in there. In my opinion only two sound editors did 
>> this right, Soundforge for windows and Sound designer for Macc. 
>> Unfortunately Sound designer doesn’t exist anymore and Sound forge is on the 
>> wrong platform and besides it has gone from a nice two-track editor for 
>> stereo files to a multi track DAW wannabe.
>> So does anyone know if selecting small portions of sound is even possible 
>> from the keyboard in TwistedWave?
>> /Krister
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Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

2018-03-19 Thread Saqib Hussain
Hi. Is this feature rolled out in the UK? I can’t seem to find anywhere in 
settings.  

> On 17 Mar 2018, at 12:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Thank you Mark. I did not know, as I think it was very early in the morning 
> when I read the article.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 5:37 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Hey Kawal,
>> Did you know that apple products can run apps for controlling amazon 
>> products and therefore it's kind of attached.
>> 
>> Smile, it's better for your health!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2018 5:14 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>> 
>> I thought this was a Apple product list if I wanted to go and look for a 
>> another list discussing Amazon products, then I would have to go to some 
>> other list.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 10:08 pm, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>>> 
>>> It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when 
>>> you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a 
>>> pain having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has 
>>> rolled out a new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to 
>>> listen to back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on 
>>> Alexa's Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for 
>>> a second command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no 
>>> need to wake it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure 
>>> if the device is listening if its blue indicator is on.
>>> 
>>> Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if 
>>> it's in the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't 
>>> respond until it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to 
>>> talk clearly and audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what 
>>> you're saying from background noise.
>>> 
>>> You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing 
>>> follow-up commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the 
>>> conversation:
>>> simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."
>>> 
>>> If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and 
>>> tasks, just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. 
>>> Select the device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good 
>>> to go.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/
>>> 
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Paragon NTFS versus Tuxara or any cheep alternative?

2018-03-19 Thread Ramy Moustafa
Hi all:
I need to percious something form my mac that can open NTFS flash drives,
frankly it’s so important in my work to do so,
need your advice to get the cheepest thing.
will i buy the Paragon ntfs, or Tuxara, or do you have any other suggestion.
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Paragon NTFS versus Tuxara or any cheep alternative?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Burggraaf
I have been very happy with tuexera, although I'm not super pleased with 
the administration that runs that product. After purchase, I had so much 
trouble getting my license issued, I was forced to go find a pirated version.





On March 19, 2018 11:14:48 AM Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:
I need to percious something form my mac that can open NTFS flash drives,
frankly it’s so important in my work to do so,
need your advice to get the cheepest thing.
will i buy the Paragon ntfs, or Tuxara, or do you have any other suggestion.
Thanks in advance

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Re: Paragon NTFS versus Tuxara or any cheep alternative?

2018-03-19 Thread Ramy Moustafa
but is it working now?

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> I have been very happy with tuexera, although I'm not super pleased with the 
> administration that runs that product. After purchase, I had so much trouble 
> getting my license issued, I was forced to go find a pirated version.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On March 19, 2018 11:14:48 AM Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> I need to percious something form my mac that can open NTFS flash drives,
> frankly it’s so important in my work to do so,
> need your advice to get the cheepest thing.
> will i buy the Paragon ntfs, or Tuxara, or do you have any other suggestion.
> Thanks in advance
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Re: Paragon NTFS versus Tuxara or any cheep alternative?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Burggraaf
It should be.  I haven't owned a computer  for years until last month, and 
it's still in the box because I haven't had time or inclination to set it up.


It was very reliable as long as I used it.




On March 19, 2018 1:24:19 PM Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

but is it working now?


On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:

I have been very happy with tuexera, although I'm not super pleased with 
the administration that runs that product. After purchase, I had so much 
trouble getting my license issued, I was forced to go find a pirated version.





On March 19, 2018 11:14:48 AM Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:
I need to percious something form my mac that can open NTFS flash drives,
frankly it’s so important in my work to do so,
need your advice to get the cheepest thing.
will i buy the Paragon ntfs, or Tuxara, or do you have any other suggestion.
Thanks in advance

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Offline music on iPhone, Apple Music

2018-03-19 Thread Nickus de Vos
Hi all
I’m using Apple Music on my iPhone.
With Apple music you can just add music to your library, or you can download it 
for offline listening.

I’m wondering if there’s a quick and easy way to see which songs have been 
downloaded to my iPhone vs those just saved to my library.

I know there’s a “Downloaded Music” section, but I want to be able to see which 
is downloaded and which just saved from the other section with all the music.

My current way of doing this is to go in to each artist and check, but there 
must be a quicker way.

Nickus

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MS Office 365

2018-03-19 Thread E.T.
   I may install the trial this week and see how it goes. How does 
Outlook stack up against the mail app on the Mac?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Re: MS Office 365

2018-03-19 Thread Nickus de Vos
Hi
I’ve had Office 365 for a couple of years now, the subscription based model 
works great for me.
I however only use Word and Excell, I never even tried Outlook before since the 
Mac Mail app does everything I want from it just fine.

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>   I may install the trial this week and see how it goes. How does Outlook 
> stack up against the mail app on the Mac?
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Re: MS Office 365

2018-03-19 Thread E.T.
   Thanks for the reply. I had asked about Outlook because I figured I 
might want to access it on either platform. And yes I would only be 
using Word and Excel myself.


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On 3/19/2018 12:46 PM, Nickus de Vos wrote:

Hi
I’ve had Office 365 for a couple of years now, the subscription based model 
works great for me.
I however only use Word and Excell, I never even tried Outlook before since the 
Mac Mail app does everything I want from it just fine.


On 19 Mar 2018, at 21:31, E.T.  wrote:

   I may install the trial this week and see how it goes. How does Outlook 
stack up against the mail app on the Mac?

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Re: MS Office 365

2018-03-19 Thread Jonathan Cohn
My apologies for references to the Windows side below, but in order to 
understand MS Office features it is sometimes necessary to compare to their 
native environment. 
I switched over from Apple Mail to Outlook mostly because my corporate e-mail 
stopped working correctly when it was migrated to cloud based usage. Once I 
assigned goto linked item VoiceOver action to a keystroke I got fairly 
efficient. When focus is on the body of a message you have to either hit 
gotoLinkedItem which will be the delete button or else click command-delete to 
delete the current message. Threaded view in the message list is very confusing 
the selected item is not what one would expect, it seems to go to the oldest 
unread item weather coming from the bottom or the top. That said, the info 
panel works fairly well, I can always find attachments with ease and working 
with the message preview works better than on a Windows computer. 

I have either not found or else it is not available to have Outlook keep the 
message window open and move to either the previous item or next item which is 
something I do like in the Windows version even though right now neither JAWS 
or NVDA seem to want to read the new title bar when the message switches.

One other slight annoyance is that the message list reads every column much 
like WindowEyes and NVDA do on the Windows side.  

One great feature of the new 365 products is that most of them have a 
accessibility checker in the proofing area of the ribbon, and yes Microsoft 
Office for Macintosh has both Ribbon and menus and some things are only 
reachable by one of the two methods.

HTH,

Jonathan
Cohn  
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Re: Paragon NTFS versus Tuxara or any cheep alternative?

2018-03-19 Thread Ramy Moustafa
Thanks so much for that, however, if you or anyone has an alternative cheaper 
than this?


> On Mar 19, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> It should be.  I haven't owned a computer  for years until last month, and 
> it's still in the box because I haven't had time or inclination to set it up.
> 
> It was very reliable as long as I used it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On March 19, 2018 1:24:19 PM Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> but is it working now?
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been very happy with tuexera, although I'm not super pleased with the 
>> administration that runs that product. After purchase, I had so much trouble 
>> getting my license issued, I was forced to go find a pirated version.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On March 19, 2018 11:14:48 AM Ramy Moustafa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> I need to percious something form my mac that can open NTFS flash drives,
>> frankly it’s so important in my work to do so,
>> need your advice to get the cheepest thing.
>> will i buy the Paragon ntfs, or Tuxara, or do you have any other suggestion.
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: MS Office 365

2018-03-19 Thread E.T.

Jonathan,
   I will use Word the most but since Outlook is part of the package, I 
will set it up. So I may rattle your cage soon,


   I was able to get my Juliet Classic to work in the Windows VM, thus 
Word which I used with DBT Win on the laptop.


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On 3/19/2018 2:27 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

My apologies for references to the Windows side below, but in order to 
understand MS Office features it is sometimes necessary to compare to their 
native environment.
I switched over from Apple Mail to Outlook mostly because my corporate e-mail 
stopped working correctly when it was migrated to cloud based usage. Once I 
assigned goto linked item VoiceOver action to a keystroke I got fairly 
efficient. When focus is on the body of a message you have to either hit 
gotoLinkedItem which will be the delete button or else click command-delete to 
delete the current message. Threaded view in the message list is very confusing 
the selected item is not what one would expect, it seems to go to the oldest 
unread item weather coming from the bottom or the top. That said, the info 
panel works fairly well, I can always find attachments with ease and working 
with the message preview works better than on a Windows computer.

I have either not found or else it is not available to have Outlook keep the 
message window open and move to either the previous item or next item which is 
something I do like in the Windows version even though right now neither JAWS 
or NVDA seem to want to read the new title bar when the message switches.

One other slight annoyance is that the message list reads every column much 
like WindowEyes and NVDA do on the Windows side.

One great feature of the new 365 products is that most of them have a 
accessibility checker in the proofing area of the ribbon, and yes Microsoft 
Office for Macintosh has both Ribbon and menus and some things are only 
reachable by one of the two methods.

HTH,

Jonathan
Cohn

On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   I may install the trial this week and see how it goes. How does Outlook 
stack up against the mail app on the Mac?

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Revisiting the forgotten history of obscure Apple accessories, 9 to 5 Mac

2018-03-19 Thread M. Taylor
Revisiting the forgotten history of obscure Apple accessories
By Michael Steeber 
 
For many iPhone X owners, two of the most hotly anticipated upcoming Apple
products are accessories. Both previewed during last fall's keynote address
at Steve Jobs Theater, the AirPower wireless charging mat and AirPods
wireless charging case arrive on the heels of another high-profile Apple
accessory - the HomePod.

While Apple's accessory strategy is more ambitious and important to their
success than ever before, the company's assent for accent has a storied
past. Just like the products they complement, accessories come and go with
the seasons, and after touring desk drawers and closet shelves for a few
years often find themselves abandoned by time.
Browsing the halls of obscure and forgotten Apple accessories reveals a
winding and surprising assortment of products. From cases, to cables, to
chargers, how many do you know?
 
Lightning to Micro USB Adapter
The iPhone 5 was the first iOS device to drop the familiar 30-pin connector
for charging and syncing in favor of the Lightning port. Alongside the
phone's introduction in September 2012, Apple quietly released the Lightning
to Micro USB adapter for the European market.

The dongle appeased an odd EU legislation that made it necessary for all
smartphones to offer a micro USB connection. In November 2012, Apple made
the adapter available to customers in the United States. You can still pick
one up on Apple's website today for $19.
 
Apple Remote
The original Apple Remote debuted alongside the iMac G5 in October 2005, and
was designed to work with Apple's Front Row home theater application for Mac
OS X and universal iPod docks. The first-generation remote looked a lot like
the original iPod shuffle, and was made entirely out of plastic. Power came
from a small, button cell battery that popped out of the bottom of the
device. The Apple TV adopted the Apple Remote as its controller when it went
on sale in 2007.
Apple released a longer, aluminum redesign of the remote in 2009,
complementing the maturing aesthetic of newer Macs and iOS devices. While
you can still buy the remote on Apple's website for $19, Front Row no longer
exists, and iPods are mostly a thing of the past.
Today, Apple ships the more modern Siri Remote with new Apple TVs, which
includes a touch surface instead of a directional pad.
 
Apple USB SuperDrive
One of the biggest concerns for early adopters of the MacBook Air was how to
use existing CDs and DVDs with a computer that had no optical disk drive.
Apple's solution was to offer the MacBook Air SuperDrive, which debuted
alongside the original Air in January 2008.
As other computers in Apple's lineup stopped offering internal optical
drives, the product was rebranded as the Apple USB SuperDrive, compatible
with all Macs manufactured after 2008. Today, most people have completely
moved on from physical media, but you can still buy a USB SuperDrive from
Apple for $79 if you're looking for an expensive dose of nostalgia.
 
iPhone TTY Adapter
First introduced for the original iPhone in 2007, Apple's TTY Adapter is
probably one of the most niche accessories the company has ever made. The
3.5mm adapter is designed to let an iPhone interface with standard TTY
accessibility devices. Despite the fact that the iPhone X, 8, 8 Plus, 7 and
7 Plus have no headphone jack, Apple still sells the adapter for $19. Since
iOS 10, you can make TTY calls from your iPhone without using additional
hardware.
Discontinued Accessories
 
Pride Edition and International Collection Woven Nylon Apple Watch bands
In June 2016, Apple distributed special pride-themed Watch bands to
employees participating in San Francisco's annual LGBT Pride Parade. A year
later, the same bands were made available to the general public for $49 on
Apple's website. By September, the bands were no longer for sale, making
them one of the shortest lived Apple Watch collections to date.
Even more limited was Apple's International Collection of nylon bands
created for the 2016 Olympic Games. A series of 14 bands themed after the
flags of competing countries debuted in time for the start of the games in
August 2016. While the bands sold for the same $49 as other nylon designs,
they were available exclusively at Apple VillageMall in Rio de Janeiro.
This past January, Apple created a special Activity ring-themed band for
employees participating in an internal wellness challenge. The band has not
yet been made available to the general public. 
iPod touch loop

The fifth-generation iPod touch was the first and only iOS device to include
a mounting button for a color-matched loop accessory. The iPod touch has
long been a favorite choice for children, and the loop was designed to save
iPods from costly falls.
After its introduction in September 2012, the loop was sold until the
sixth-generation iPod touch dropped the connector entirely. Today, Apple
sells a similar Siri Remote Loop for the Apple TV. 
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Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

2018-03-19 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
No. It's only available for US English.

Shawn
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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Is this feature rolled out in the UK? I can’t seem to find anywhere in 
> settings.  
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 12:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Mark. I did not know, as I think it was very early in the morning 
>> when I read the article.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 5:37 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Kawal,
>>> Did you know that apple products can run apps for controlling amazon 
>>> products and therefore it's kind of attached.
>>> 
>>> Smile, it's better for your health!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2018 5:14 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>>> 
>>> I thought this was a Apple product list if I wanted to go and look for a 
>>> another list discussing Amazon products, then I would have to go to some 
>>> other list.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 16 Mar 2018, at 10:08 pm, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
 
 It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when 
 you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a 
 pain having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has 
 rolled out a new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to 
 listen to back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on 
 Alexa's Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for 
 a second command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no 
 need to wake it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure 
 if the device is listening if its blue indicator is on.
 
 Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if 
 it's in the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't 
 respond until it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to 
 talk clearly and audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what 
 you're saying from background noise.
 
 You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing 
 follow-up commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the 
 conversation:
 simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."
 
 If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and 
 tasks, just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. 
 Select the device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're 
 good to go.
 
 Original Article at:
 https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/
 
 
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