RE: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[Simon Fogarty]

Great but Donna is asking about the VO utilities not the turn on / off.

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Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 2:23 AM
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Subject: Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

sorry Donna i meant! hold the command key down while pressing the touch i.d 3 
times to turn voiceover on and off.
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On 30 Aug 2017, at 12:11 am, Gerry Cook 
mailto:gerryc...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Hi Donna press command and power button quickly 3 times to turn voiceover on 
and off
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On 29 Aug 2017, at 9:19 pm, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet, but has anyone found a way to do 
this?  Google was not helpful. :)
Cheers,
Donna

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RE: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi

Yes this is correct if you wish to turn accessibility features on and or off,

Starting the utilities is not done with this key press.

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Hi,
>From what i heard you triple click the touch ID button

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM -0400, "Anne Robertson" 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Donna,



If you mean opening VoiceOver Utility, press VO-FN-8. The numeric row plus the 
FN key substitutes for the function keys with VO commands.



Cheers,



Anne







> On 29 Aug 2017, at 13:19, Donna Goodin  wrote:

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> Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet, but has anyone found a way to do 
> this?  Google was not helpful. :)

> Cheers,

> Donna

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RE: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Simon Fogarty]

Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.

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On Behalf Of regina alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again


Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock? 


Reggie and Lex


On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  What about VO-shift-d?

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> On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> That does no good
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac, 
> Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
>> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
>>> 
>>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
>>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary 
>>> sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Crossposted: Issue with installing FLogic and VOCR solved

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi good people and sorry for the cross posting, but i thought i’d say this so 
everyone on the lists where i posted my question can hear it.
The issue with installing FLogic and VOCR macros are now solved. It turned out 
to be a both easy and not obvious thing. I had had the check box for letting VO 
be controled by Apple script enabled all the time and could not fathom why the 
macros didn’t install. Turned out that i had to uncheck and then check the box 
for allowing VO to be controled by Apple script again because the Mac i’m 
working at hadn’t accepted, for lack of a better word, the setting. So if you 
have enabled the check box for allowing Voiceover to be controled by apple 
scripts on a Mac you’ve owned earlier and then change machines but keep the VO 
settings, make certain you uncheck and then check the box for allowing VO to be 
controled by Apple scripts again. Upon this you will get a prompt for your 
account password, fill it in and ok the dialog and you should be good to go.
Thanks all for the help in this matter.
/Krister

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Re: Playing midi files on OS X or iOS

[Devin Prater]

The best way, on the Mac, is to paste it into a Garageband project. 

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3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi All,

Here’s I the coding functer again, with a new exciting podcast on making your 
own 3D audio experience.

This one is simulating a blind comedy show and shows some more advanced 
concepts on audio manipulation and states.

The article is below:

https://www.oseyeris.com/post/3d-game-podcast-6-blind-comedy-club 


And here is the direct youtube link:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWqp6-7XkjWGHnXb03gfylmPz7UPXYH4 



Again, you can find the demo project in the blog link, and customise it to your 
liking to better understand how it all works.

For those who have requested it, I’ve placed the demo sound at the beginning of 
the podcast, so you can skip the tutorial part altogether and go straight for 
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Enjoy, and have a great week y’all 



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Re: transferring and downloading and attaching with a memory stick on Mac

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Reggie,

Hm I don't know why that would be that they are named differently
on the Mac.  Perhaps next you could just try creating a folder on that
stick from the Mac and also save a file onto it just to make sure the
stick is working properly with the Mac.  As you said you're beginning
with this I'll give step-by-step instructions as to how I would do
this.  Doubtless there are lots of different ways of doing things so
you might get different instructions from someone else but this is
what I would do.

1.  In  wrote:
>
> Hi Catherine, On my braillenote apex the folders on the stick show up as
> books and lessons. On the Mac I assume they are the same folders, but they
> are long numbers instead of books and lessons. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
>
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>
> Reggie and Lex
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 5:50 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
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> Hello Reggie,
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> Clarifying what you're asking - are you saying that when your memory
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> but when you put the stick in your Mac those folders aren't there and
> you get a load of numbers instead?
>
> Catherine
>
>> On 8/29/17, regina alvarado  wrote:
>> Now that I am in the right place, I have a question about reading and
>> transferring from and transferring to a memory stick.
>>
>> A little background. I have a braillenote apex on which I transferred two
>> folders to a memory stick called books and Lessons. I want to get into
>> the
>> lessons folder to be able to attach a file to an email. I also want to
>> download into the books folder from Bookshare and read them on my
>> braillenote.
>>
>> Now that you know what I am trying to do, I first want to let everybody
>> know
>> I am definitely still a Mac beginner. I have a book I used to get as far
>> as
>> I did with this. I put my stick in the computer, ′mac mini′, at the volume
>> I
>> pushed command-shift-C. That brought up my list of drives. It was there so
>> I
>> used vo-space to open the drive. That was when I got a nasty surprise.
>> Instead of names like books and Lessons there were just numbers and no
>> way
>> to see what they were. I understand these are just images so if I have to
>> copy them where do I paste them?
>>
>> So questions are: how do I transfer files and folders to and from my
>> stick
>> and how do I get the folders titled. Also, I realize, at least I think, I
>> cannot download directly onto my stick. If I am correct, how do I
>> transfer
>> from the download folder to the stick and will the braillenote read the
>> files if in BRF? Please do these questions step-by-step as I thought I
>> understood what I read but obviously there steps gave me a big surprise.
>> Deeply appreciate any help on all of this. I imagine most people on here
>> are
>> advanced Mac users so feel free to send answers to:
>> reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Reggie and Lex
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Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[John Panarese]

   Hold down the FN key and the VO keys. Then touch the touch bar and find, F8. 
Still holding the other keys, double tap F8.


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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Great but Donna is asking about the VO utilities not the turn on / off.
>  
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> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 2:23 AM
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> Subject: Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?
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> sorry Donna i meant! hold the command key down while pressing the touch i.d 3 
> times to turn voiceover on and off.   
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> On 30 Aug 2017, at 12:11 am, Gerry Cook  > wrote:
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> Hi Donna press command and power button quickly 3 times to turn voiceover on 
> and off 
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> On 29 Aug 2017, at 9:19 pm, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
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> Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet, but has anyone found a way to do 
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics out 
there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really come 
to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can happen, 
but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely 
been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:

Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because I’ve 
worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations where 
your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, all 
scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house I had 
my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background check.  
 So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds 
doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition 
in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has 
good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I 
think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy theory 
nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be careful of 
so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
> will be.
> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
> Trek. Don't @ me.
> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
> There are few things more personal than a face.
> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
> what's the deal with avocado toast?
> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
> appear anywhere in this article.
> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
> to making digital purchases.
> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
> parties because that's their business model, right?
> This question is never addressed.
> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
> police are demanding).
> Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
> iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
> against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
> when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
> probably stand up for you.
> None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
> compan

Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello Donna,

Does sound a bit convoluted. You can always create a keyboard commander to
do this either option o, option p or option 8 would make sense to me.

So, bring up  VO Utility  (vo-H (twice) and then type util )

Move to commanders  command-8
Select the  keyboard tab
Press the Add button.
type the shortcut you want to use
Hit tab and find in the "General Menu" Open VoiceOver Utility.
Close Voice Over Utility


Test things out.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan

On 29 August 2017 at 13:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi, Jerry and all,
>
> I was referring to going into VoiceOver preferences, not to turning
> voiceover on and off. But thanks for the help anyway. :-)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
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> sorry Donna i meant! hold the command key down while pressing the touch
> i.d 3 times to turn voiceover on and off.
> cheers gerry have a nice day
> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
> Skype: gerry.cook1
> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>
> On 30 Aug 2017, at 12:11 am, Gerry Cook  wrote:
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> Hi Donna press command and power button quickly 3 times to turn voiceover
> on and off
> cheers gerry have a nice day
> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
> Skype: gerry.cook1
> Twitter: @gerrycook52
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> On 29 Aug 2017, at 9:19 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet, but has anyone found a way to
> do this?  Google was not helpful. :)
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Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[Alex Hall]

To open the VO Utility on a Touch Bar Mac, simply press vo-fn-8. No need to 
mess with the Bar at all; in this case, as with most VO commands, adding the 
function key to a regular number will work as though you'd pressed the f key of 
the same number. Speak window title, for instance, is vo-fn-2.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:55, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello Donna,
> 
> Does sound a bit convoluted. You can always create a keyboard commander to do 
> this either option o, option p or option 8 would make sense to me.
> 
> So, bring up  VO Utility  (vo-H (twice) and then type util )
> 
> Move to commanders  command-8 
> Select the  keyboard tab 
> Press the Add button.
> type the shortcut you want to use
> Hit tab and find in the "General Menu" Open VoiceOver Utility.
> Close Voice Over Utility 
> 
> 
> Test things out.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On 29 August 2017 at 13:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Hi, Jerry and all,
>> 
>> I was referring to going into VoiceOver preferences, not to turning 
>> voiceover on and off. But thanks for the help anyway. :-)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
>>> 
>>> sorry Donna i meant! hold the command key down while pressing the touch i.d 
>>> 3 times to turn voiceover on and off.   
>>> cheers gerry have a nice day
>>> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
>>> Skype: gerry.cook1 
>>> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>>> 
 On 30 Aug 2017, at 12:11 am, Gerry Cook  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna press command and power button quickly 3 times to turn voiceover 
 on and off 
 cheers gerry have a nice day
 Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
 Skype: gerry.cook1 
 Twitter: @gerrycook52
 
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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to
get to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory.

To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this
happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1
functionality.

Best Wishes,
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On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
>
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> Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
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> Reggie and Lex
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   What about VO-shift-d?
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all
> the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say
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> > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> > That does no good
> > Sent from my iPhone,
> > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
> > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce  g...@gena-j.me.uk>> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard,
> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
> >>>
> >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press
> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary
> sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the
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RE: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

[David & his pack of dogs]

The presenter had no life in his delivery.  It sounded like there were 5 people 
at best as an audience and all in all, very amateurish in content.  

 

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Sent: August 30, 2017 4:00 AM
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Subject: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

 

Hi All,

 

Here’s I the coding functer again, with a new exciting podcast on making your 
own 3D audio experience.

 

This one is simulating a blind comedy show and shows some more advanced 
concepts on audio manipulation and states.

 

The article is below:

 

https://www.oseyeris.com/post/3d-game-podcast-6-blind-comedy-club

 

And here is the direct youtube link:

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWqp6-7XkjWGHnXb03gfylmPz7UPXYH4

 

Again, you can find the demo project in the blog link, and customise it to your 
liking to better understand how it all works.

 

For those who have requested it, I’ve placed the demo sound at the beginning of 
the podcast, so you can skip the tutorial part altogether and go straight for 
the files.

 

Enjoy, and have a great week y’all 

 

 

 

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Re: Fasten App on iOS - IOS VoiceOver Focus Stuck in the Status Bar or "return to search"

[Jonathan Cohn]

Usually when I have encountered this type of behavior there is a modal
dialog box on screen, and unless you touch  within that dialog there will
be no response.  I most often see this in the MoveIt app which occasionally
puts up a dialog asking me  to recommend or rate the app. Sometimes I can
find just the place to click and other times switching out of the app and
back in works.

Is this ride sharing service availablein DC too?


On 28 August 2017 at 12:37, Mika Pyyhkala  wrote:

> I am having an odd problem in the Fasten (a ridesharing app in Boston
> and Austin, + possibly others) app, but I'm not sure if the issue is
> specific to the app.
>
> I am able to go in to the app and select my origin and destination.
>
> However, on the confirmation screen, wherever I tap, the focus is either on
> "return to search"
> or part of the status bar
> i.e.
> "3 of 3 bars)
> etc.
>
> I cannot move VoiceOver focus away from either of the two above areas.
>
> The only work around I have done is to 3x Home to close voiceover and
> then tap on the button blind to try to request the ride.
>
> Once the ride is requested, the issue also largely goes away.
>
> I also have a spare iPhone 5S running now iOS 11 so I am going to do a
> test and see if that gets the same results.
>
> Anyone ever heard of an issue like this?  Do you think its more a
> Fasten or Apple bug?
>
> Thanks,
> Mika
> @pyyhkala
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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn off 
keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
students, too.
Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit of 
messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to get 
> to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory. 
> 
> To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
> happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 functionality.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Jonathan   Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again
> 
> 
> Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
>   What about VO-shift-d?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all 
> the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say 
> God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> > That does no good
> > Sent from my iPhone,
> > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
> > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce  >>   >> >> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
> >> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr  >>>   >>> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
> >>>
> >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
> >>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary 
> >>> sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
> >>> blind:
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: regarding doc issue, solved

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Raymond,

Good to hear your problem is solved. I was gonna write you an other 
solution/possibility. That is, when using control+f1 you disable these 
shortcuts for dock and Apple menu as well. When using control+f1 again, they 
will start working again. Strangely I have no idea what this option is called 
or officially do.

Ronald

> Op 30 aug. 2017, om 04:26 heeft Raymond Foret Jr  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Never mind.  I went in to keyboard preferences and discovered that for some 
> reason, all Apple default keys had gotten unchecked.
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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To Catherine: Got it!

[Regina Alvarado]

I was dumb. I just didn’t go down far enough to find the folder and its 
contents. I opened the stick and there must be other things in it not visible 
to me on braillenote. Anyway, I have it now. Now I at least believe I can 
attach my file I needed for my course. As far as downloading books from 
Bookshare, I have to do a little more learning. Thanks for all your help. Most 
appreciated. I learned how to make a folder too!
Regina Alvarado
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Just checking, ignore

[Regina Alvarado]

Well, I don’t know what happened to my message, but thank you so much 
Catherine. Deeply appreciated. I was dumb. Apparently when I open the stick 
there are a lot of things on the stick not visible on my braille note. All I 
had to do is grow down further through the files after opening the stick and I 
found both folders named as I had them. When I opened the folder I arrowed down 
through a lot of things also until I found all my files. Now I can continue to 
learn how to download books from bookshare. Thanks again.

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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Sorry folks, didn’t see this thread earlier.
So control+f1 is called Keyboard Access. Thx Anne.

Ronald

> Op 30 aug. 2017, om 17:44 heeft Anne Robertson  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn off 
> keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
> students, too.
> Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit of 
> messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to get 
>> to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory. 
>> 
>> To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
>> happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 
>> functionality.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> Jonathan   Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again
>> 
>> 
>> Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   What about VO-shift-d?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all 
>> the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say 
>> God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> > That does no good
>> > Sent from my iPhone,
>> > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
>> > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce > >>  > >> >> wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
>> >> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
>> >>
>> >> Gena
>> >>
>> >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr > >>>  > >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
>> >>>
>> >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
>> >>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary 
>> >>> sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> >>> blind:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>>
>> >>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[E.T.]

Anne,
   Good tip. I don't know if I ever ran into this but just the same, 
went into prefs and unchecked that one.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/30/2017 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Jonathan,

I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn 
off keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my 
VoiceOver students, too.
Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a 
bit of messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:


Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways 
to get to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory.


To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If 
this happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 
functionality.


Best Wishes,
Jonathan   Cohn



On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again


Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?


Reggie and Lex


On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  What about VO-shift-d?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

> On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> That does no good
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
> Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk> >> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences,
Keyboard, keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
>>>
>>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when
I press control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I
get the boundary sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access
for the blind:
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Michael Busboom]

Hello everyone,

I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and am 
wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is accessible 
and thorough.

If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could use?

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Try Ultralingua They have all kinds of dictionaries.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Subject: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

Hello everyone,

I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and am 
wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is accessible 
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If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could use?

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Re: Turning on VO Prefs on a Mac with a touch bar?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks all for your responses. I have to agree with Alex. The suggestion that 
he and Anne made seems to me to be by far the easiest to implement. John, yes a 
keyboard commander command would also be an option, but using the number keys 
works pretty well.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Does sound a bit convoluted. You can always create a keyboard commander to do 
> this either option o, option p or option 8 would make sense to me.
> 
> So, bring up  VO Utility  (vo-H (twice) and then type util )
> 
> Move to commanders  command-8 
> Select the  keyboard tab 
> Press the Add button.
> type the shortcut you want to use
> Hit tab and find in the "General Menu" Open VoiceOver Utility.
> Close Voice Over Utility 
> 
> 
> Test things out.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On 29 August 2017 at 13:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Hi, Jerry and all,
>> 
>> I was referring to going into VoiceOver preferences, not to turning 
>> voiceover on and off. But thanks for the help anyway. :-)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
>>> 
>>> sorry Donna i meant! hold the command key down while pressing the touch i.d 
>>> 3 times to turn voiceover on and off.   
>>> cheers gerry have a nice day
>>> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
>>> Skype: gerry.cook1 
>>> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>>> 
 On 30 Aug 2017, at 12:11 am, Gerry Cook  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna press command and power button quickly 3 times to turn voiceover 
 on and off 
 cheers gerry have a nice day
 Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
 Skype: gerry.cook1 
 Twitter: @gerrycook52
 
> On 29 Aug 2017, at 9:19 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet, but has anyone found a way to 
> do this?  Google was not helpful. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Oops how to save as on a mac and how to transfer from downloaded file to memory stick

[Regina Alvarado]

Well, neither thing worked. I sent my UEB as a keyword document. Is there a way 
to make it a  BRF on either braille note or on the Mac? 

Downloaded a book from internet. Copied from the download folder and pasted 
into the books folder after opening the memory stick. No dice. When I go to 
read on the braille note the book is not there. Am I making this too 
hard?Regina Alvarado
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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Ronald,

I haven't ran across this before.
Good to take note of. :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 30, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

> Sorry folks, didn’t see this thread earlier.
> So control+f1 is called Keyboard Access. Thx Anne.
> 
> Ronald
> 
>> Op 30 aug. 2017, om 17:44 heeft Anne Robertson  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> 
>> I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn off 
>> keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
>> students, too.
>> Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit 
>> of messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to 
>>> get to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory. 
>>> 
>>> To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
>>> happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 
>>> functionality.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Jonathan   Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reggie and Lex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   What about VO-shift-d?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all 
>>> the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say 
>>> God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> > That does no good
>>> > Sent from my iPhone,
>>> > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
>>> > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
>>> >> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
>>> >>
>>> >> Gena
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr >> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
>>> >>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the 
>>> >>> boundary sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> >>> blind:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Scott Granados]

You know the Mods really need to get these tag lines under control.  I don’t 
know why I have to read this religious garbage on a technical list just by 
opening the wrong message and the ratio of message content to religious bull 
crap is totally out of whack.  How can you have a one line response and a huge 
run on garbage rant about some fictional stuffed shirt sitting on a cloud 
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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:30 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronald,
> 
> I haven't ran across this before.
> Good to take note of. :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Sorry folks, didn’t see this thread earlier.
>> So control+f1 is called Keyboard Access. Thx Anne.
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
>>> Op 30 aug. 2017, om 17:44 heeft Anne Robertson >> > het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn off 
>>> keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
>>> students, too.
>>> Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit 
>>> of messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to 
 get to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory. 
 
 To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
 happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 
 functionality.
 
 Best Wishes,
 Jonathan   Cohn
 
 
 
 On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
 Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again
 
 
 Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
 
 
 Reggie and Lex
 
 
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T. >>> > wrote:
 
   What about VO-shift-d?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all 
 the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and 
 say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 > That does no good
 > Sent from my iPhone,
 > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
 > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce >>> >>  > >> wrote:
 >> Hello,
 >>
 >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
 >> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
 >>
 >> Gena
 >>
 >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr >>> >>>  >> >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
 >>>
 >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
 >>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the 
 >>> boundary sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
 >>> blind:
 >>>
 >>> Sincerely,
 >>>
 >>> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available

[Yuma Decaux]

Oh thanks David, as always the consumate critic. I’ve had a broad spectrum of 
positive criticism and yours has hit the sweet spot of the guy from radio who 
can give a few pointers on jokes. We just recorded an amateur reading blind 
jokes.

However, If you compile the demo and play it on a surround system,  you’d 
retract from your great cynicism :)

But I dare say you don’t code, so this won’t be of help to neither of us :)

Have a great day with your pack of dogs

Sent from sputnik7 

> On 31/08/2017, at 1:24 AM, David & his pack of dogs  
> wrote:
> 
> The presenter had no life in his delivery.  It sounded like there were 5 
> people at best as an audience and all in all, very amateurish in content.  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
> Sent: August 30, 2017 4:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 3D audio experience podcast 6: The comedy club now available
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> Here’s I the coding functer again, with a new exciting podcast on making your 
> own 3D audio experience.
>  
> This one is simulating a blind comedy show and shows some more advanced 
> concepts on audio manipulation and states.
>  
> The article is below:
>  
> https://www.oseyeris.com/post/3d-game-podcast-6-blind-comedy-club
>  
> And here is the direct youtube link:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWqp6-7XkjWGHnXb03gfylmPz7UPXYH4
> 
>  
> Again, you can find the demo project in the blog link, and customise it to 
> your liking to better understand how it all works.
>  
> For those who have requested it, I’ve placed the demo sound at the beginning 
> of the podcast, so you can skip the tutorial part altogether and go straight 
> for the files.
>  
> Enjoy, and have a great week y’all 
>  
>  
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face recognition? 
 My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at one's face for 
the software to pick up that it was you?

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have 
> likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background 
> check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various 
> clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial 
> recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All 
> technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own 
> do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much 
> conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some real 
> conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>> will be.
>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>> appear anywhere in this article.
>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>> to making digital purchases.
>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>> This question is never addressed.
>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
>> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
>> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
>> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
>> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
>> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
>> police are demanding).
>> Which company has the better track re

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Daniel Miller]

OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple decides to 
release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is going to be based on 
pictures, it will most likely be infrared which will be easier for people who 
can’t see it.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>>> This question is never addressed.
>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
>>> kinds of peopl

Re: vpn services

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sounds like something to consider.
Thanks Tim for your great help.
/A

> 28 aug. 2017 kl. 16:15 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> MacOS Server is an app available in the MacApp Store.  In Canada, it's $20, 
> or $19.99 to be exact.  Not sure how much it is for you folks over across the 
> Atlantic, but it shouldn't be much more comparatively.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 05:35, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> A question from me.
> How much does it cost?
>  If its that easy i might use my Pi for something else.
> /A 
> 
>> 26 aug. 2017 kl. 05:55 skrev Tim Kilburn > >:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> Yes, it's simply a tunnel so as long as you enter the proper credentials, it 
>> shouldn't matter whether you're dealing with Mac or Windows.
>> 
>> Yes, I'm out of the fire zone this year.  Nothing left to burn around us :). 
>>  There have been some smaller fires within 70 to 80 kilometres but not 
>> really any big concerns to many of us.  The worst of it all is in British 
>> Columbia, just on the other side of the Rockies from us.  My Dad lives close 
>> to a rather aggressive one that ignited a couple of days ago, but so far 
>> he's not worried.  Lots of smoke and often difficult to see particularly 
>> far, and rough for folks with respiratory ailments.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any issues trying to set things up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 20:00, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> And the fact I’m going to be connecting to windows servers and workstations 
>> via this connection shouldn’t be an issue?
>>  
>> I do already have sierra server on one of my minis.
>>  
>> I’ll have a look and see what happens.
>>  
>> Thanks Tim,
>>  
>> I take it your out of the fire zone this time?
>>  
>> Sounds pretty bad over there in Canada currently.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 11:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: vpn services
>>  
>> Simon,
>>  
>> I would suggest you use, and do use myself already, MacOS X Server.  Since 
>> you already have Minis, you would just need the Server app, available from 
>> the App Store.  The VPN service is easily configurable.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>>  
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 16:54, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
>>  
>> I’m looking for a VPN service either existing that I can use to connect from 
>> my mac book air or iPad / iPhone to my home systems which consist of a 
>> couple of mac minis and windows servers 2012R2 and others.
>>  
>> I just want something to connect from the remote device to the home end and 
>> then rdp into what I need at the time to access.
>> I’m not sure free is the best option but thoughts greatfully appreciated.
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: Oops how to save as on a mac and how to transfer from downloaded file to memory stick

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Reggie,

I don't know why the braillenote wouldn't see a ueb document.  If you
wanted to try converting it to the bn's own braille format you could
go into file manager/translation.

Catherine

On 8/30/17, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
> Well, neither thing worked. I sent my UEB as a keyword document. Is there a
> way to make it a  BRF on either braille note or on the Mac?
>
> Downloaded a book from internet. Copied from the download folder and pasted
> into the books folder after opening the memory stick. No dice. When I go to
> read on the braille note the book is not there. Am I making this too
> hard?Regina Alvarado
> reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[lenron brown]

I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the
fingerprint sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like
the fingerprint myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all
with out needing an update.

On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple decides
> to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is going to be
> based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which will be easier for
> people who can’t see it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face
>> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone
>> at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some
>>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare
>>> tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad
>>> things really come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe
>>> that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking
>>> out at things that have likely been considered in a very detailed manner
>>> by Apple developers.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because
>>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure
>>> locations where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands,
>>> finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a
>>> major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the
>>> federal reserve for a background check.   So the idea that some
>>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak me
>>> out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in stores,
>>> the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has good and
>>> bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I
>>> think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy
>>> theory nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be
>>> careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
>>>
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
 Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
 Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know
 what
 that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
 Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be.
 You
 will be.
 That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
 Trek. Don't @ me.
 "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you
 should
 be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
 There are few things more personal than a face.
 A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate
 glass
 window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome
 from
 memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold
 hands
 for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
 Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
 That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left
 eye
 which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore
 in
 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE
 MUSTACHE
 RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
 Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also
 soon
 be the preeminent key to your digital life.
 At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha!
 Any-hoo,
 what's the deal with avocado toast?
 Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone
 makers
 of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
 You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is
 used to
 describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint
 safe
 as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does
 not
 appear anywhere in this article.
 Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make
 face
 scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking
 phones
 to making digital purchases.
 And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations,
 right?
 Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
 parties because that's their business model, right?
 This question 

RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[gary-melconian]

Agree wwith you.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the fingerprint 
sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like the fingerprint 
myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all with out needing an update.

On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple 
> decides to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is 
> going to be based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which 
> will be easier for people who can’t see it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
>> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the 
>> phone at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have 
>>> some tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and 
>>> scare tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did 
>>> the bad things really come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive 
>>> and believe that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the 
>>> bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely been considered in 
>>> a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this 
>>> because I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly 
>>> secure locations where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, 
>>> eyes, hands, finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced.  When 
>>> I worked for a major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent 
>>> to the
>>> federal reserve for a background check.   So the idea that some
>>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak 
>>> me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in 
>>> stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology 
>>> has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do 
>>> diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so 
>>> much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>>> coming.
>>>
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
 Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
 technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to 
 worry about how bad it will be.
 Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be.
 You
 will be.
 That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
 Star Trek. Don't @ me.
 "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
 should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
 few things more personal than a face.
 A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
 glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
 genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
 spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about 
 it.
 Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
 That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
 left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight 
 in Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo 
 that says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
 Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will 
 also soon be the preeminent key to your digital life.
 At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha!
 Any-hoo,
 what's the deal with avocado toast?
 Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the 
 smartphone makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us 
 into.
 You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which 
 is used to describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep 
 your fingerprint safe as part of Touch ID and will certainly be 
 used as part of Face ID, does not appear anywhere in this article.
 Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to 
 make face scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from 
 u

dropbox compatibility

[Gabe Griffith]

hi all,

Has anyone else gotten a message from dropbox letting them know that as of 
January 16 2018 DropBox will no longer be supported on devices running 
something earlier than OS X 10.9?

Thanks,

Gabe


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Re: dropbox compatibility

[E.T.]

   I have not but this is stated on their system requirements page.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/30/2017 9:07 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

hi all,

Has anyone else gotten a message from dropbox letting them know that as of 
January 16 2018 DropBox will no longer be supported on devices running 
something earlier than OS X 10.9?

Thanks,

Gabe




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RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Simon Fogarty]

Kawal,

 I'm not sure I understand what you mean,
If you hold the phone with the front of it pointing at your face then the face 
recognition would see your face 
like hold the phone with the screen looking at you, surely you can do that with 
some success?

 As for voiceover reacting with face recognition 
Well that's a good one,
I'm guessing it will not do much other than alert you if the phone is unlocked 
by talking, or say something like 
Recognition not possible, 
Similar to what the phone does already if your finger print isn't picked up.

 If your really unlucky or it's set up well then it could make the comment,
 Your to ugly to use this device, please take it back to the store you got it 
from!

Or, 
You don't own this phone, give it back or I'll scream! 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017 9:02 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face recognition? 
 My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at one's face for 
the software to pick up that it was you?

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have 
> likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background 
> check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various 
> clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial 
> recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All 
> technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own 
> do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much 
> conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some real 
> conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to worry 
>> about how bad it will be.
>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will 
>> be. You will be.
>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>> few things more personal than a face.
>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>> left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in 
>> Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that 
>> says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also 
>> soon be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! 
>> Any-hoo, what's the deal with avocado toast?
>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone 
>> makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is 
>> used to describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your 
>> fingerprint safe as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as 
>> part of Face ID, does not appear anywhere in this article.
>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make 
>> face scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from 
>> unlocking phones to making digital purchases.
>> And presum

RE: dropbox compatibility

[Simon Fogarty]

I haven't either,

But lets face it,it's the iPhone 4,4s and 3G range that can't support later os 
versions.

 

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I have not but this is stated on their system requirements page.

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On 8/30/2017 9:07 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> Has anyone else gotten a message from dropbox letting them know that as of 
> January 16 2018 DropBox will no longer be supported on devices running 
> something earlier than OS X 10.9?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 

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