Re: me.com e-mail address.

[David Chittenden]

I have no idea. I switched to my icloud.com address when it was offered because 
I have had email addresses disappear on me in the past. It is also why I use 
gmail.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 11/08/2017, at 23:08, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> My understanding is that they aren't giving out new me.com addresses, but the 
> old ones will continue to function.  Is that incorrect?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the me.com email address. They started 
>> the process about 5 years ago.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
>>> 
>>> Today I wrote from my me.com e-mail as that is my primary e-mail as I use 
>>> for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
>>> 
>>> When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com address which I don't use as 
>>> I prefer my me.com.  So has the me.com gone?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kawal.
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Re: me.com e-mail address.

[afik Suffir]

Hello


What is ‏⁨me.co⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.co/⁩> address please? 

בברכה, 
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> ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 13:16, ‏‏⁨David Chittenden⁩ ‏<⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩> 
> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> I have no idea. I switched to my ‏⁨icloud.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://icloud.com/⁩> 
> address when it was offered because I have had email addresses disappear on 
> me in the past. It is also why I use gmail.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: ‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11/08/2017, at 23:08, Donna Goodin <‏⁨doniado...@me.com⁩ 
> ‏<⁨mailto:doniado...@me.com⁩>> wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> My understanding is that they aren't giving out new ‏⁨me.com⁩ 
>> ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> addresses, but the old ones will continue to function.  
>> Is that incorrect?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden <‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ 
>>> ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> email 
>>> address. They started the process about 5 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: ‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu <‏⁨kgli...@icloud.com⁩ 
 ‏<⁨mailto:kgli...@icloud.com⁩>> wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
 
 Today I wrote from my ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> e-mail as that is my 
 primary e-mail as I use for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
 
 When I replied it had gone from my ‏⁨Icloud.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://icloud.com/⁩> 
 address which I don't use as I prefer my ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩>.  
 So has the ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> gone?
 Thanks.
 Kawal.
 
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Re: question for those of you with Macs with the touch bar

[Alex Hall]

Note that using numbers for f keys doesn’t always work. For instance, you can’t 
use fn-accent to escape from menus, but you can do so to close VO dialogs. I’ve 
been using a Touch Bar since last winter, and I still haven’t worked out when 
this does or doesn’t work.

The option I’d suggest is to use the trackpad or keyboard commander. With it, 
you can assign any functions you use a lot to keystrokes or gestures, thus 
negating the use of the f keys to a large degree. Remember, too, that volume 
can now be controlled with vo-equals and vo-dash, so that’s two more you don’t 
need to worry about.

Finally, a quick note on the Touch Bar: you can’t customize it. macOS lets you, 
but VO has a hard time, and you’ll probably be unable to get anywhere with the 
process. At least, I can’t. Sighted help will be required until Apple sorts 
this out. You can use the Bar with no problem at all, but you can’t change 
what’s on it. Most of the time you won’t want to, but if you do, you’ll need 
some help for now. Congratulations on your upcoming Mac!

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, that's handy.  Thank you!
> Donna
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> The regular numbers row will act as function keys if you also hold down the 
>> function key next to the Control key, along with the VO keys.  All  If you 
>> want the numbers row to turn into function keys, hold down the function key 
>> and  swipe right or left on the touch bar until you find the key you want. 
>> Make your selection with a double tap.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Janet
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm going to get my new Mac this weekend, and a question has occurred to 
>>> me.  To those of you using the Touch bar, how do you accomplish the VO 
>>> commands that used to rely on the function keys in combination with another 
>>> modifier?  I'm thinking of things like turning cursor tracking on and off.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: filters in mail on mac?

[Alex Hall]

Hmm, you’re right. I do use the normal view, and when I went to classic just 
now, my own filter option vanished. I’d say switch away from standard for a 
moment, toggle the filter, then switch it. back. That’s the easiest way I can 
think of to solve this.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> 🤔 Are you using classic view? I’m in classic view.  I don’t understand the 
> newer view.  I’m not finding the filters check box to uncheck it.  Thanks so 
> much.
> 
> Christina
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> VO-left once from the messages table, inside the messages column group. You 
>> should find a filters checkbox; uncheck it, and you will be back to normal.
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I 
>>> read the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter 
>>> button.  I could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only thing 
>>> I can think of is that I was using the search field to find messages. maybe 
>>> I did something there when I was arrowing through the drop down menu of 
>>> options from that search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was finally able 
>>> to get rid of the filter via the view menu.  There was an option to turn 
>>> off filter.  
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid 
>>> this in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with VO 
>>> than maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> Christina
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Re: question for those of you with Macs with the touch bar

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Alex,

Thanks for all this!  It's great info.  I had no idea about the new volume 
control commands, they're way easier than going into the rotor.  I might give 
the trackpad commander another go.  I tried it a while back, and gave up, 
because it seemed I was always brushing it with my wrists and thus making some 
undesired action happen. :) I already use keyboard commander, so I may have to 
think about adding commands there, too.

I'm way excited about the new Mac.  I'm using a 2013 MBA, and though it's had a 
good run, I'm ready to upgrade.
Take care,
Donna
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Note that using numbers for f keys doesn’t always work. For instance, you 
> can’t use fn-accent to escape from menus, but you can do so to close VO 
> dialogs. I’ve been using a Touch Bar since last winter, and I still haven’t 
> worked out when this does or doesn’t work.
> 
> The option I’d suggest is to use the trackpad or keyboard commander. With it, 
> you can assign any functions you use a lot to keystrokes or gestures, thus 
> negating the use of the f keys to a large degree. Remember, too, that volume 
> can now be controlled with vo-equals and vo-dash, so that’s two more you 
> don’t need to worry about.
> 
> Finally, a quick note on the Touch Bar: you can’t customize it. macOS lets 
> you, but VO has a hard time, and you’ll probably be unable to get anywhere 
> with the process. At least, I can’t. Sighted help will be required until 
> Apple sorts this out. You can use the Bar with no problem at all, but you 
> can’t change what’s on it. Most of the time you won’t want to, but if you do, 
> you’ll need some help for now. Congratulations on your upcoming Mac!
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, that's handy.  Thank you!
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> The regular numbers row will act as function keys if you also hold down the 
>>> function key next to the Control key, along with the VO keys.  All  If you 
>>> want the numbers row to turn into function keys, hold down the function key 
>>> and  swipe right or left on the touch bar until you find the key you want. 
>>> Make your selection with a double tap.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Janet
 On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm going to get my new Mac this weekend, and a question has occurred to 
 me.  To those of you using the Touch bar, how do you accomplish the VO 
 commands that used to rely on the function keys in combination with 
 another modifier?  I'm thinking of things like turning cursor tracking on 
 and off.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: me.com e-mail address.

[Donna Goodin]

Me.com  is the address you used to get for iCloud email.  It's 
been replaced with iCloud.com.  Those of us who were around when apple was 
giving out me.com  addresses have one of each.  So I have 
doniado...@me.com  and doniado...@icloud.com 
.  I never ever use the latter.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:24 AM, afik Suffir  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> 
> What is me.co  address please? 
> 
> בברכה, 
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> www.facebook.com/afik.sofir 
> 
> 
> 
>> ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 13:16, ‏‏⁨David Chittenden⁩ ‏<⁨dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> ⁩> כתב/ה:‬
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>> I have no idea. I switched to my icloud.com  address 
>> when it was offered because I have had email addresses disappear on me in 
>> the past. It is also why I use gmail.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 11/08/2017, at 23:08, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that they aren't giving out new me.com  
>>> addresses, but the old ones will continue to function.  Is that incorrect?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the me.com  email 
 address. They started the process about 5 years ago.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
> 
> Today I wrote from my me.com  e-mail as that is my 
> primary e-mail as I use for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
> 
> When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com  
> address which I don't use as I prefer my me.com .  So has 
> the me.com  gone?
> Thanks.
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Re: me.com e-mail address.

[afik Suffir]

Hi, 

And everyone can get the .‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> address?

בברכה, 
אפיק סופיר
חבר ומייסד קבוצת ק.מ.ח - כי דברים שרואים משם לא רואים מכאן 
050-5782208
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> ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 16:05, ‏‏⁨Donna Goodin⁩ ‏<⁨doniado...@me.com⁩> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> ‏⁨Me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> is the address you used to get for iCloud 
> email.  It's been replaced with ‏⁨iCloud.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://icloud.com/⁩>.  Those 
> of us who were around when apple was giving out ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> 
> addresses have one of each.  So I have ‏⁨doniado...@me.com⁩ 
> ‏<⁨mailto:doniado...@me.com⁩> and ‏⁨doniado...@icloud.com⁩ 
> ‏<⁨mailto:doniado...@icloud.com⁩>.  I never ever use the latter.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:24 AM, afik Suffir <‏⁨afik.so...@gmail.com⁩ 
>> ‏<⁨mailto:afik.so...@gmail.com⁩>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> 
>> What is ‏⁨me.co⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.co/⁩> address please? 
>> 
>> בברכה, 
>> אפיק סופיר
>> חבר ומייסד קבוצת ק.מ.ח - כי דברים שרואים משם לא רואים מכאן 
>> 050-5782208
>> ‏⁨afik.so...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:afik.so...@gmail.com⁩>
>> ‏⁨www.facebook.com/afik.sofir⁩ ‏<⁨http://www.facebook.com/afik.sofir⁩>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 13:16, ‏‏⁨David Chittenden⁩ 
>>> ‏<⁨‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>⁩> כתב/ה:‬
>>> 
>>> I have no idea. I switched to my ‏⁨icloud.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://icloud.com/⁩> 
>>> address when it was offered because I have had email addresses disappear on 
>>> me in the past. It is also why I use gmail.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: ‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 11/08/2017, at 23:08, Donna Goodin <‏⁨doniado...@me.com⁩ 
>>> ‏<⁨mailto:doniado...@me.com⁩>> wrote:
>>> 
 David,
 
 My understanding is that they aren't giving out new ‏⁨me.com⁩ 
 ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> addresses, but the old ones will continue to function. 
  Is that incorrect?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden <‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ 
> ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> 
> email address. They started the process about 5 years ago.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: ‏⁨dchitten...@gmail.com⁩ ‏<⁨mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com⁩>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu <‏⁨kgli...@icloud.com⁩ 
>> ‏<⁨mailto:kgli...@icloud.com⁩>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
>> 
>> Today I wrote from my ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> e-mail as that is my 
>> primary e-mail as I use for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
>> 
>> When I replied it had gone from my ‏⁨Icloud.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://icloud.com/⁩> 
>> address which I don't use as I prefer my ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩>.  
>> So has the ‏⁨me.com⁩ ‏<⁨http://me.com/⁩> gone?
>> Thanks.
>> Kawal.
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Re: me.com e-mail address.

[Donna Goodin]

Not any more.  But you can get an iCloud.com address.
Best,
Donna
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, afik Suffir  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> And everyone can get the .me.com  address?
> 
> בברכה, 
> אפיק סופיר
> חבר ומייסד קבוצת ק.מ.ח - כי דברים שרואים משם לא רואים מכאן 
> 050-5782208
> afik.so...@gmail.com 
> www.facebook.com/afik.sofir 
> 
> 
> 
>> ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 16:05, ‏‏⁨Donna Goodin⁩ ‏<⁨doniado...@me.com 
>> ⁩> כתב/ה:‬
>> 
>> Me.com  is the address you used to get for iCloud email.  
>> It's been replaced with iCloud.com .  Those of us who 
>> were around when apple was giving out me.com  addresses have 
>> one of each.  So I have doniado...@me.com  and 
>> doniado...@icloud.com .  I never ever use the 
>> latter.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:24 AM, afik Suffir >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What is me.co  address please? 
>>> 
>>> בברכה, 
>>> אפיק סופיר
>>> חבר ומייסד קבוצת ק.מ.ח - כי דברים שרואים משם לא רואים מכאן 
>>> 050-5782208
>>> afik.so...@gmail.com 
>>> www.facebook.com/afik.sofir 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 ‫ב-12 באוג׳ 2017, בשעה 13:16, ‏‏⁨David Chittenden⁩ 
 ‏<⁨dchitten...@gmail.com ⁩> כתב/ה:‬
 
 I have no idea. I switched to my icloud.com  address 
 when it was offered because I have had email addresses disappear on me in 
 the past. It is also why I use gmail.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 11/08/2017, at 23:08, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
> David,
> 
> My understanding is that they aren't giving out new me.com 
>  addresses, but the old ones will continue to function.  
> Is that incorrect?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the me.com  email 
>> address. They started the process about 5 years ago.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
>>> 
>>> Today I wrote from my me.com  e-mail as that is my 
>>> primary e-mail as I use for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
>>> 
>>> When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com  
>>> address which I don't use as I prefer my me.com .  So 
>>> has the me.com  gone?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kawal.
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Re: question for those of you with Macs with the touch bar

[Janet Ingber]

Hi Alex and All,

Here’s how to customize the Touch Bar in Mail:
1. Select “Customize Touch Bar” from the View Menu.
2. VO-Right Arrow till you hear, “Section 2,” and interact with it. 
3. VO-Right and Left Arrow to review options.  Select the addition you want 
with VOSpace Bar.

1. Remove an item by going to Customize Touch Bar in the view menu.
2. On the Touch Bar, double tap on the item you want to remove. 

Not all applications have this feature.

Best,
Janet
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Note that using numbers for f keys doesn’t always work. For instance, you 
> can’t use fn-accent to escape from menus, but you can do so to close VO 
> dialogs. I’ve been using a Touch Bar since last winter, and I still haven’t 
> worked out when this does or doesn’t work.
> 
> The option I’d suggest is to use the trackpad or keyboard commander. With it, 
> you can assign any functions you use a lot to keystrokes or gestures, thus 
> negating the use of the f keys to a large degree. Remember, too, that volume 
> can now be controlled with vo-equals and vo-dash, so that’s two more you 
> don’t need to worry about.
> 
> Finally, a quick note on the Touch Bar: you can’t customize it. macOS lets 
> you, but VO has a hard time, and you’ll probably be unable to get anywhere 
> with the process. At least, I can’t. Sighted help will be required until 
> Apple sorts this out. You can use the Bar with no problem at all, but you 
> can’t change what’s on it. Most of the time you won’t want to, but if you do, 
> you’ll need some help for now. Congratulations on your upcoming Mac!
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, that's handy.  Thank you!
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> The regular numbers row will act as function keys if you also hold down the 
>>> function key next to the Control key, along with the VO keys.  All  If you 
>>> want the numbers row to turn into function keys, hold down the function key 
>>> and  swipe right or left on the touch bar until you find the key you want. 
>>> Make your selection with a double tap.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Janet
 On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm going to get my new Mac this weekend, and a question has occurred to 
 me.  To those of you using the Touch bar, how do you accomplish the VO 
 commands that used to rely on the function keys in combination with 
 another modifier?  I'm thinking of things like turning cursor tracking on 
 and off.
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Re: Smart TV

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I don't have the TV, but I understand that the new Amazon element units
support accessible HDMI port switching.

hth

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> It depends if you have HDMI control messages enabled on both the TV and the 
> end device supports it.  I can confirm Samsung does this with the Gen 4 Apple 
> TV but not previous versions, Google Chrome Cast works this way as does 
> Comcast, charter and FIOS set top boxes.  So it can be hit or miss but your 
> general idea is sound. Samsung also provides spoken output so you can change 
> sources very easily and not have to memorize or guess what port you’re on.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> >   Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will switch to an 
> > active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand? My current TV is 9 
> > years old, might be time to replace it.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Smart TV

[E.T.]

   That switcher might be useful. Since my TV is so old though, I will 
see about a new one. I am also considering disconnecting the DVD units 
so would only have the Apple TV anyway.


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On 8/11/2017 8:19 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The original question was about auto switching HDMI inputs. If that's
all you're missing you might want to consider and external switcher. I
got a unit similar to this one from Sewell for our family home
entertainment setup:

https://sewelldirect.com/switchdeck-hdmi-switch-by-sewell-3x1-distribution-amplifier-4k-at-60hz-3d-hdcp-22-444-chroma-


I have both my Mac mini and a bluray player connected and it
automatically switches to the highest numbered active input. So the Mac
is on port one, which means that by default it is usually sent to the
display. The BluRay is on port 2 so when I turn it on the HDMI is
automatically switched to that. After we're done watching a movie or the
like I turn the BluRay player off and it switches back to the Mac. I
have a slightly different unit than the link above because I needed one
that splits out the audio to a separate TOSlink cable for my ancient
Denon sound system that predates HDMI.

CB

On 8/11/17 3:40 PM, E.T. wrote:

Thanks Mary. Did not find the specific 5500 on Amazon but I am not in
a hurry. This window shopping will keep my mind off certain world
events. Too many models, even 720p which I did not expect to see.

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On 8/11/2017 9:12 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Yes. Pressing a button on the remote for the device that you want to
switch to switches it there. It will even turn the TV on if the TV is
off. I have DirecTV, and Amazon fire stick, and fourth generation
Apple TV. I can't speak to the third generation one. Also, it seems
to me that this ability to do this switching when you punch a button
on the remote started happening after a recent firmware update. Why
that should be, I haven't a clue. I will have to get the model number
for you, as I don't remember it. And my sided partner is still
sleeping. I am Magine my TV was on the opposite end of the Samsung
spectrum from Scott. It is not 4K. And I think it's only a 32 inch
screen. I do have a nice sound bar for it. I got it on sale at Best
Buy sometime around the holidays. Quite honestly, if I were going to
buy a TV now, I would want to know a lot more about the new Amazon TV
set. I'm really impressed with the work that they're doing over there
with voiceview. I think it has the best sound, and is the most
flexible. But I don't know about the capability of the actual TV to
do the thing you want to do. If That worked, and I were buying a TV
now, I would not hesitate to get the Amazon one.

Mary


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On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:51 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Mary,
  Do you have the model number? With the Apple TV, if you want to
switch back to it, what triggers that? Pressing a button on the remote?

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On 8/11/2017 8:42 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have a Samsung smart TV which I bought at the end of last year.
It does what you are saying you would like yours to do. I can't
swear that they all do it. Mine has three HDMI inputs, all full.
And if I start doing something on one of the devices that's plugged
into one of the HDMI ports, it switches there.
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will
switch to an active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand?
My current TV is 9 years old, might be time to replace it.

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Re: Eclipse soundscapes

[Jonathan Cohn]

The description on the web site said they are recording nature sounds from an 
array of microphones dispersed in National parks.  so that you can hear all the 
animals thinking it is night and then re-awaking, or something similar. There 
is also some kind of tactic feedback of eclipse progression. I believe 
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 they are recording 
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How interesting!
> 
> Is this actual audio from the sun from the RF spectrum or an audio 
> description?
> 
> One of the coolest things I remember hearing was a recording from a space 
> probe of Saturn’s rings vibrating in resonance.  As a probe passes through 
> the rings it can record the resonance.  It sounds musical in a way.  Shows 
> how everything in the universe ultimately down to resonance and vibrations 
> whether it’s rings of planets, super membranes resonating in 11 dimensions to 
> create the experience we call the universe or vibrating musical notes it’s 
> all based on the same physics.  Love it!  Thanks for the post Donna.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
>> interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download 
>> and listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
>> http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 
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Re: question for those of you with Macs with the touch bar

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, but I’ve never been able to get this to work. Sometimes, I have 
sections 1 and 2, but often I don’t. In this view, my touch bar is always 
blank, meaning I have no icons to double tap for removal. There’s no indication 
of what’s in the bar and what’s not, and focus jumps from section to section, 
if sections appear at all. That’s been my experience at least.

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
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> Hi Alex and All,
> 
> Here’s how to customize the Touch Bar in Mail:
> 1. Select “Customize Touch Bar” from the View Menu.
> 2. VO-Right Arrow till you hear, “Section 2,” and interact with it. 
> 3. VO-Right and Left Arrow to review options.  Select the addition you want 
> with VOSpace Bar.
> 
> 1. Remove an item by going to Customize Touch Bar in the view menu.
> 2. On the Touch Bar, double tap on the item you want to remove. 
> 
> Not all applications have this feature.
> 
> Best,
> Janet
>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Note that using numbers for f keys doesn’t always work. For instance, you 
>> can’t use fn-accent to escape from menus, but you can do so to close VO 
>> dialogs. I’ve been using a Touch Bar since last winter, and I still haven’t 
>> worked out when this does or doesn’t work.
>> 
>> The option I’d suggest is to use the trackpad or keyboard commander. With 
>> it, you can assign any functions you use a lot to keystrokes or gestures, 
>> thus negating the use of the f keys to a large degree. Remember, too, that 
>> volume can now be controlled with vo-equals and vo-dash, so that’s two more 
>> you don’t need to worry about.
>> 
>> Finally, a quick note on the Touch Bar: you can’t customize it. macOS lets 
>> you, but VO has a hard time, and you’ll probably be unable to get anywhere 
>> with the process. At least, I can’t. Sighted help will be required until 
>> Apple sorts this out. You can use the Bar with no problem at all, but you 
>> can’t change what’s on it. Most of the time you won’t want to, but if you 
>> do, you’ll need some help for now. Congratulations on your upcoming Mac!
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, that's handy.  Thank you!
>>> Donna
 On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 The regular numbers row will act as function keys if you also hold down 
 the function key next to the Control key, along with the VO keys.  All  If 
 you want the numbers row to turn into function keys, hold down the 
 function key and  swipe right or left on the touch bar until you find the 
 key you want. Make your selection with a double tap.
 
 Hope this helps.
 Janet
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> 
> I'm going to get my new Mac this weekend, and a question has occurred to 
> me.  To those of you using the Touch bar, how do you accomplish the VO 
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Cara Quinn]

Awesome Jenine! Actually there is someone else on the VIPhone list who 
contacted me as he is wanting to get into archery and does not know how to 
begin.

Perhaps I could connect you two if you wish. Just let me know off-list.

I found this app as I am looking for outdoor ranges in my area which have steel 
targets so I can hear them.

there is a nice indoor range I like but paper is just a bit too quiet for my 
taste! :)

I am also looking to get into archery so I am planning to check out one of the 
gun clubs which has an archery range around here.

Anyway, glad you’re digging the app!

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also contains 
> news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I believe 
> the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer something a 
> bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> —
> Where To Shoot by NSSF
> 
> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
> 
> Description:
> 
> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Scott,

Jeez! I was going to say I could come and visit you to tweak you a little bit 
in person when I am in the area, but dang, there’d be nothing left of me to 
bury! lol!

How did you happen to come by a vintage grenade launcher anyway if I might ask?

There’s a little gun shop near me which has all sorts of vintage full auto 
firearms but I’m betting they don’t see too many weapons like that.

I am friends with a luthier who creates crazy contraptions on the side. He has 
a giant home-made multi-colored day-glow cannon that he shoots bowling balls 
out of up in the mountains. They go about five miles! lol!

I’ll just settle for my little 9mils. :)

I am lousy with an AR 15 but awesome with 9s.

There is supposedly a blind shooter up in your area whom I believe has 
developed an audio-based scope. Apparently he’s quite good with it.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of ear protection do you use with your m79? 
-Or do you use any?

Anyway, thanks for the interesting post and glad you like the app.

I was glad to find it.

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

This is very cool.  The hardware I have is a little bit on the excessive side 
for most gun clubs but luckily in the live free or die state, here in the woods 
my neighbors are enthusiasts and don’t mind when I bring out the M79 for a 
little fresh air.  We buy old cars from junk yards for under $100 and blow the 
hell out of them with the M79 or my neighbor has a Bofers automatic cannon.

I used to have a source for small beepers that were flat disks you could stick 
to a clay pigeon and have audible skeet shooting but I can’t find the small 
beepers any more that won’t disturb the clay pigeon in flight. I also have a 
line on small RC drones with exploding removable wings that you shoot with 
shotguns.  If you hit the drone the wings make a huge puff and you just replace 
them so it’s all reusable.

Very cool app, thanks for pointing it out.



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also 
>> contains news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I 
>> believe the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer 
>> something a bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> —
>> Where To Shoot by NSSF
>> 
>> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
>> 
>> Description:
>> 
>> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
>> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
>> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
>> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
>> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Cara,
Interesting?
How do you locate the steel target?
I haven't wielded a long bow since I shot my first "buck many years ago.
Gets my pulse rate up just thinking about being able to give it a shot again so 
to speak! :)
Thanks
Chuck



On Aug 12, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

> Awesome Jenine! Actually there is someone else on the VIPhone list who 
> contacted me as he is wanting to get into archery and does not know how to 
> begin.
> 
> Perhaps I could connect you two if you wish. Just let me know off-list.
> 
> I found this app as I am looking for outdoor ranges in my area which have 
> steel targets so I can hear them.
> 
> there is a nice indoor range I like but paper is just a bit too quiet for my 
> taste! :)
> 
> I am also looking to get into archery so I am planning to check out one of 
> the gun clubs which has an archery range around here.
> 
> Anyway, glad you’re digging the app!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also 
>> contains news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I 
>> believe the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer 
>> something a bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> —
>> Where To Shoot by NSSF
>> 
>> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
>> 
>> Description:
>> 
>> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
>> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
>> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
>> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
>> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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Re: filters in mail on mac?

[Christina C.]

Thanks, That’s a great idea. Also, in the View menu via Vo plus M There is a 
Disable/enable filter option.  It also states that the shortcut key is command 
plus L. 🤔 I just have no idea how I created one in the first place. haha.

Again, Thanks,
Christina
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, you’re right. I do use the normal view, and when I went to classic just 
> now, my own filter option vanished. I’d say switch away from standard for a 
> moment, toggle the filter, then switch it. back. That’s the easiest way I can 
> think of to solve this.
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>> 🤔 Are you using classic view? I’m in classic view.  I don’t understand the 
>> newer view.  I’m not finding the filters check box to uncheck it.  Thanks so 
>> much.
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> VO-left once from the messages table, inside the messages column group. You 
>>> should find a filters checkbox; uncheck it, and you will be back to normal.
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I 
 read the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter 
 button.  I could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only 
 thing I can think of is that I was using the search field to find 
 messages. maybe I did something there when I was arrowing through the drop 
 down menu of options from that search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was 
 finally able to get rid of the filter via the view menu.  There was an 
 option to turn off filter.  
 
 Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid 
 this in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with 
 VO than maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.
 
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Re: filters in mail on mac?

[Alex Hall]

Well, what do you know! Thanks, I never knew that option was available. I love 
it when everyone learns from a discussion. :) 

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, That’s a great idea. Also, in the View menu via Vo plus M There is a 
> Disable/enable filter option.  It also states that the shortcut key is 
> command plus L. 🤔 I just have no idea how I created one in the first place. 
> haha.
> 
> Again, Thanks,
> Christina
>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, you’re right. I do use the normal view, and when I went to classic just 
>> now, my own filter option vanished. I’d say switch away from standard for a 
>> moment, toggle the filter, then switch it. back. That’s the easiest way I 
>> can think of to solve this.
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 🤔 Are you using classic view? I’m in classic view.  I don’t understand the 
>>> newer view.  I’m not finding the filters check box to uncheck it.  Thanks 
>>> so much.
>>> 
>>> Christina
 On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 VO-left once from the messages table, inside the messages column group. 
 You should find a filters checkbox; uncheck it, and you will be back to 
 normal.
 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I 
> read the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter 
> button.  I could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only 
> thing I can think of is that I was using the search field to find 
> messages. maybe I did something there when I was arrowing through the 
> drop down menu of options from that search field. I can’t figure it out.  
> I was finally able to get rid of the filter via the view menu.  There was 
> an option to turn off filter.  
> 
> Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can 
> avoid this in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter 
> with VO than maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.
> 
> Christina
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Chuck,

the short answer is I will be trying several ways.

When shooting indoors, I have always just gotten an idea where the target is in 
relation to the stand and then shot free-hand. I would assume that a similar 
thing would be possible for a blind / VI archer. -but the arc of the arrow 
would certainly add more difficulty I would think, but since you’ve shot 
before, I am betting you’ve already got that figured out.

One approach I plan on trying is to use Voice Vision, the iOS app to see if I 
can possibly make heads or tails of any targets. I’ve not actually used it for 
indoor ranges since I have just not really needed any assistance like that. 
-But outside, with different types and sizes of targets, and possibly greater 
distances, I’m pretty sure I will, and I’d like to see how it can work.

I may also just go up into the mountains, to a legal area to shoot and then set 
up something that friends and I can use. In that case, since I know where 
things will be, that will be a bit easier.

I have ear protection which can accept stereo input so I plan on sending my 
iPhone output (running Voice Vision) into that so it will mix with the external 
sounds.

-And lastly, I will have friends around to visually insure safety and to let me 
know where certain targets are if I need it.

As I mentioned in response to Scott earlier, I believe someone (I don’t have 
his name handy at the minute) has developed an audio scope. So I am planning to 
get in touch with him to see if I can either purchase one or if he would be 
willing to accept a commission to make one. I think the only ones he has might 
be prototypes but I am not sure.

So we’ll see.

Sorry I can’t be of more help. When I have a chance to try my hand at archery, 
I will certainly let you know what I find works well for me. I believe archery 
targets would be reasonably easy to hear using something like Voice Vision or 
an audio scope of some kind but I just can’t say without trying it.

However, since there are others on the list who have an interest and are 
experienced archers / shooters, maybe they can be of more help.

Anyway, good luck and have fun! :)

Cheers!

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On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:34 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:

Hi Cara,
Interesting?
How do you locate the steel target?
I haven't wielded a long bow since I shot my first "buck many years ago.
Gets my pulse rate up just thinking about being able to give it a shot again so 
to speak! :)
Thanks
Chuck



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> Awesome Jenine! Actually there is someone else on the VIPhone list who 
> contacted me as he is wanting to get into archery and does not know how to 
> begin.
> 
> Perhaps I could connect you two if you wish. Just let me know off-list.
> 
> I found this app as I am looking for outdoor ranges in my area which have 
> steel targets so I can hear them.
> 
> there is a nice indoor range I like but paper is just a bit too quiet for my 
> taste! :)
> 
> I am also looking to get into archery so I am planning to check out one of 
> the gun clubs which has an archery range around here.
> 
> Anyway, glad you’re digging the app!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also 
>> contains news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I 
>> believe the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer 
>> something a bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
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>> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
>> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
>> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
>> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
>> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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How to put your old phone to new use - CNET

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CNET News - Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 5:00 AM
How to put your old phone to new use - CNET
It's time to upgrade to a new phone. So what do you do with your old one?
 
If you're like me, you probably have a drawer full of old smartphones
collecting dust. You could always trade them in for cash, but unless you
have a newer Android phone or an iPhone, you probably won't get much for it.

What should you do? One thing is certain. Don't just throw it away.
According to a United Nations Environment Program report titled "Waste
Crimes," up to 50 million tons of electronic waste -- mainly computers and
smartphones -- are expected to be dumped in 2017. Smartphones are full of
metals, minerals and chemicals that when disposed of in landfills or
incinerated can become toxic. 
In this edition of Ask Maggie I share what I like to do with my old devices.

Dear Maggie,
Between my husband and me, we have a mountain of old unused smartphones.
What should we do with them all? 
Thanks,
Trying to Stay Green
Dear Green,
If your old phones still turn on and work, there are lots of things you can
do with them. Of course, you can always give them to a friend or family
member who needs a phone or even keep them around as backups in case your
new phone is lost, stolen or broken. But there are plenty of other uses for
them, too. While this list is by no means exhaustive, here are some of my
favorites, most of which I use at home.
For more ideas of what to do with your old cell phone, check out this CNET
video.
Camera/video recorder
I don't know about you, but I take a ton of photos and video on my phone. I
don't even know where my DSLR is anymore. I have small kids and juggle all
their gear, so my smartphone is super easy to carry and whip out for taking
photos and videos. But one place I am reluctant to take my phone is to the
beach. And yet I still want those adorable pics of the kids eating sand --
er, I mean building sand castles and frolicking in the waves.  
Why not use one of those old phones in my drawer? While my old Samsung
Galaxy S3 may not be water-resistant or sand-proof, I'd rather risk getting
my old phone wet, sandy or stolen than my brand new device. And because it
has Wi-Fi, when I return to a hotspot, all my photos and video can be
automatically synced to Google Photos, just like pics and video from the
smartphone I'm currently using. 
Bedside device/alarm clock/photo album/white noise machine
Phones are a great bedside gadget. Just set up a docking station charger and
you're good to go. First they make fantastic alarm clocks. They're endlessly
customizable. You can set multiple alarms and even get calendar alerts to
remind you of an early meeting.
Second, they're perfect for displaying digital photos. There are tons of
apps in iTunes and Google Play that turn your device into a digital photo
frame. 
Another great use for a phone on the nightstand is as a white noise machine.
Again, there are too many apps to name, but there are several free apps in
both the App Store and Google Play that will lull you to sleep with the
sound of rolling waves, whirring fans, or falling rain.  
eReader
Whether you already have an e-reader or not, clear out all your other apps
and storage on your old phone and load it with e-books and audiobooks. You
can either leave it on your night stand or next to your favorite comfy
chair. Apps like Amazon Kindle let you sync your reading position among
multiple gadgets. You can also use apps like Pocket or Instapaper to queue
up web articles you find throughout the day on your desktop or phone so you
can read later.   
 
There are tons of ways to repurpose old phones, so long as they still turn
on and off. 
James Martin/CNET 
TV remote control
If your phone has an IR blaster, download a TV-remote app like AnyMote
SmartRemote or Sure Universal TV Remote. These apps and the IR capability
allow you to turn your old smartphone into a universal remote. It will also
work to control other devices with an IR signal, such as DVD and Blu-ray
players, cable set-top boxes, stereo equipment and even some air
conditioners. 
And if your phone doesn't have an integrated IR blaster, your phone will
still be able to control your Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV devices or
connected TV via Wi-Fi.
GPS device for car
I moved to the suburbs of Philadelphia two years ago after 17 years of
living in New York City. At first, I couldn't find my way out of the my
neighborhood, let alone the best route to the grocery store. My phone and
Google Maps were my savior. And even though I can now get to the store or my
kids' school without GPS navigation, I still need it for any new
destinations. 
Even though I rarely leave home without my current smartphone, I keep an
older Moto X set up in my car to use as a GPS navigation device. All that's
needed are some maps of my local area downloaded onto my phone from Google
Maps. And voila, my old phone is a GPS device. It doesn't eat up my data
plan either, because all the maps and na

Inside Apple's U.S. coup attempt on Google's Android

[M. Taylor]

MacDailyNews - Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:56 AM
Inside Apple's U.S. coup attempt on Google's Android
Aug 11, 2017 - 05:15 PM UTC - AAPL: 157.48 (+2.16, +1.39%) | NASDAQ:
6256.5557 (+39.6841, +0.64%)
Friday, August 11, 2017 . 10:56 am . 7 Comments
Apple "appears to have Alphabet's Google in the crosshairs," Rachel Gunter
writes for Market Realist. "Last month, Apple added Virgin Mobile USA to the
list of its US carrier partners. The last time the company recruited a
carrier partner was in 2013." 
"As part of the deal, Virgin and Apple are throwing a one-year party in the
form of steep discounts for their customers," Gunter writes. "Any customer
who purchases a new or refurbished iPhone from either Apple or Virgin gets
the opportunity to enjoy services on Virgin's network for only $1 per month
for up to a year. After that introductory offer, customers will normally pay
$50 a month for Virgin's network service."
"The deal is part of a broader plan that will see Virgin drop support for
Android phones on its network and instead become an iPhone-only carrier,"
Gunter writes. "The deal that Apple has inked with Virgin could accelerate
Android's market share decline in the US."
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: This is such a deal that even die-hard, irrational
Apple-hating, fragmandroid settlers will have a very difficult time ignoring
- especially given their penchant for being skinflints.
SEE ALSO:
Virgin Mobile USA becomes first Apple iPhone-only carrier; launches
game-changing offer - June 23, 2017

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