Seil is not Sierra Compatible at this point

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi folks, the Mosen Consulting blog has a post on this, but for those who 
haven't seen it, many VMWare Fusion users enjoy the use of an app called Seil, 
which allows you to use the Caps Lock key as the JAWS key in Windows. 
With just a few hours to go as I write this until the release of Sierra, a 
Sierra-compatible version of Seil has not been released.
This means that you'll lose this functionality, at least for now, if you 
upgrade. You'll instead need to use something else like Sharp Keys or the key 
remapping functions of Fusion itself, neither of which allow you to use the 
Caps Lock key as a screen reader key.
I'm really hoping a Sierra-compatible version is in the works.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or
>> the
>> cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As
>> soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it
>> down
>> for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The wait is after the release.  If
>> the
>> cmd-r works, it's likely ready in about one minute if your Mini has an
>> SSD
>> and probably 2 to 3 minutes if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the
>> cmd-option-r, which starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land,
>> then the wait is usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again,
>> no
>> need to hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
>>> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible
>>> though
>>> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
>>> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some
>>> extra
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
>>> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
>>> no voice over at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Yes, restart it please.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
 the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the
> installer.
> See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
> time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID
> entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
> thing
> by
> now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know
>> if
>> that
>> changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
>>> id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even
>>> the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
 The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't
> have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.
>> Sometimes,
>> if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got on

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

 Just a quick catch up here,

 If you have El Capitan on your mac mini and you use Command + R for the 
recovery console then you will get el capitan installing to your machine as it 
is a recovery.

If however you have an earlier OS such as Mavericks or Yosemite 

Then that is what your machine will install using the recovery console.

It will only recover what you have on there and wont give you an updated OS 
using the recovery.

If you can download the el capitan installation media from the app store then 
it will start the auto installation / update once that file has downloaded  and 
then you just follow the prompts through the installation process.

If as another option you have a USB installer media device then you can do the 
following.

Shut the machine completely down.

 Hold down the option key and while holding this turn thepower on,

 Keep holding option I personally hold it for approx. 30 seconds just to be 
sure.

 Then your machine will start up with any bootable drives showing  
The problem here though is this is not accessible with voiceover,
 But if you can get someone to select the correct installer then it will start 
the installation process for you.

Hope this helps.

Simon F


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down, 
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding 
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r 
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key 
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The 
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in 
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which 
>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is 
>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to 
>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It 
>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's 
>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  
>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up 
>>> from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it 
>>> some extra time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to 
>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over 
>>> at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Yes, restart it please.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
 
 wrote:

 it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't 
 change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the 
> installer.
> See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a 
> long time between the initial installation startup process and the 
> Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress 
> thing by now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. 
> no windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us 
>> know if that changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here 
>> and there but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making 
>> progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Se

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Ramy,

 Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan installer had 
downloaded.

I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a running 
state at all?

 If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications folder
Command shift A to get in there.

Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.

If as Tim commented things might be correupted 
Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't wish 
to lose?

I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from 
scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted existing 
install.

Hope this makes sense.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down, 
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding 
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r 
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key 
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The 
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in 
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which 
>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is 
>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to 
>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It 
>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's 
>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  
>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up 
>>> from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it 
>>> some extra time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to 
>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over 
>>> at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Yes, restart it please.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
 
 wrote:

 it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't 
 change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the 
> installer.
> See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a 
> long time between the initial installation startup process and the 
> Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress 
> thing by now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. 
> no windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us 
>> know if that changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here 
>> and there but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making 
>> progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my 
>>> apple id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and 
>>> even the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
 The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

>

RE: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Simon Fogarty]

Do Vodafone exist in the USA?

Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for mobile 
networks?

I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding mobile 
technology
I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
correctly.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
beating verizon again!

Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I think. 
It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They still have 
the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money than anybody 
to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing well. But they 
are still number three in the big race, and you would think that would impact 
of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very sharp 
people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO group, 
they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)

On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
at Verizon just got smoked.:)


On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my aggregation 
of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. Maybe that means 
even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need that wider coverage 
out here in the wild wild West.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 2014 
and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead being over 
2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  
Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 
64/quad upload and 256/quad download.
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these technologies 
allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the ability to offer 
truly unlimited services with out worrying about user contention or the need to 
throttle.
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the 
area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
carry your traffic.

Read more here

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm


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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Simon:
Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
down my mac mini.
and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same issue.
so, what might be happened?
 what can I do now?



On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan installer
> had downloaded.
>
> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a running
> state at all?
>
>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
> folder
> Command shift A to get in there.
>
> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>
> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't
> wish to lose?
>
> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted existing
> install.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
 will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
 possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
 In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
 from the Internet.
 It
 may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
 some extra time.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
 press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
 at all.
 after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, restart it please.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't
> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was
> happened?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the
>> installer.
>> See
>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a
>> long time between the initial installation startup process and the
>> Apple ID entry.
>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
>> thing by now.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed.
>> no windows.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us
>>> know if that changes.
>>>
>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here
>>> and there but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making
>>> progress.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I'm going to pop in to my local store and do the same. 

> On 19 Sep 2016, at 13:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Me, too, Simon!
> Donna
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna & Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the 7 but had a look at the device in a store and was rather 
>> surprised at how the new home button works.
>> 
>> I could have sworn that the home button moved it was so weird. But  guess it 
>> was  due to the haptic feedback.
>> 
>> I wish apple would hurry up with the earpods 
>> I want a set!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 4:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?
>> 
>> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
>> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does make 
>> it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I 
>>> had a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of 
>>> time.  It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC and 
>>> controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period to use 
>>> it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the capacitive 
>>> buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even physical 
>>> identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press and get that 
>>> response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the response is 
>>> configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested in what 
>>> others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
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RE: should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS when it is out?

[Simon Fogarty]

Personally I'm not,

 I saw there was  an update to the GM in the passed day or so 
And It appears in my case that printing is not being supported yet,
 Some of the software we deal with at work isn't going to work with 10.12,
 So unless I find my solutions before it's released or have a second option  
I'm not risking it just yet.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS 
when it is out?

I don’t think you’ll see an update made available because you already have the 
same version in place now.  The gold master is what’s released today.  That’s 
how I understand it anyway.  On IOS release day I had no update because the 
current version was already in place, I’d assume this should be the same.

Thanks

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I am running the Sierra GM candidate and am wondering if i should put the new 
> system on when it is released for general use?
> Do you think anything would be improved or should I just stay with what I am 
> on?
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[David Chittenden]

No, AT&T wireless is Vodafone's roaming partner in the US.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 20/09/2016, at 20:50, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Do Vodafone exist in the USA?
>  
> Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for mobile 
> networks?
>  
> I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding mobile 
> technology
> I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
> correctly.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
> beating verizon again!
>  
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
> well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think 
> that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do 
> stuff in the future
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>  
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
> at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>  
>  
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame 
> or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the 
> area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
>  
> Read more here
>  
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>  
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

A Question comes to my mind:

did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
mini.
I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello Simon:
> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
> down my mac mini.
> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
> issue.
> so, what might be happened?
>  what can I do now?
>
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> HI Ramy,
>>
>>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>> installer
>> had downloaded.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>> running
>> state at all?
>>
>>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>> folder
>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>
>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>
>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't
>> wish to lose?
>>
>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>> existing
>> install.
>>
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
 sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
 or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
 seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
 combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
 wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
 about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
 if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
 starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
 usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
 hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
 sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
> from the Internet.
> It
> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
> some extra time.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
> at all.
> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Yes, restart it please.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't
>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was
>> happened?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the
>>> installer.
>>> See
>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a
>>> long time between the initial installation startup process and the
>>> Apple ID entry.
>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
>>> thing by now.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed.
>>> no windows.
>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
all.
I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
recovery starts.
it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> A Question comes to my mind:
>
> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
> mini.
> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello Simon:
>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>> down my mac mini.
>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>> issue.
>> so, what might be happened?
>>  what can I do now?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> HI Ramy,
>>>
>>>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>> installer
>>> had downloaded.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>> running
>>> state at all?
>>>
>>>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>>> folder
>>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>>
>>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>>
>>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
>>> don't
>>> wish to lose?
>>>
>>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
>>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>>> existing
>>> install.
>>>
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
 by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
 hope that I can get something in this time


 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
>> from the Internet.
>> It
>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
>> some extra time.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
>> at all.
>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't
>>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was
>>> happened?
>>>
>>> On 9/19

Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[kary johns]

I’m having the same issue.
Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.


On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
> morning.
>
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
> and I think that causes a problem too.
>
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
> never submitted one before.
>
> Thx,
> Jeff
>
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

Sorry for all my hascle,
now, the continue button is dimmbed,
nothing changed, , no progress etc.
I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
untitled, only 1 hd,
I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
is my HD damaged? or what happened?
THanks


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
> all.
> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
> recovery starts.
> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>
>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>> mini.
>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Hello Simon:
>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>> down my mac mini.
>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>> issue.
>>> so, what might be happened?
>>>  what can I do now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 HI Ramy,

  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
 installer
 had downloaded.

 I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
 running
 state at all?

  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
 folder
 Command shift A to get in there.

 Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.

 If as Tim commented things might be correupted
 Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
 don't
 wish to lose?

 I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
 from
 scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
 existing
 install.

 Hope this makes sense.
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
 Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

 On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
>>> from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
>>> some extra time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothi

Re: A Question About How To Add a Favorite in the iOS 10 Phone App

[Scott Davert]

The other thing I'm seeing with this particular feature is that I'm
not able to add contacts as favorites for FaceTime Audio. Also of
interest, the contacts I have as FaceTime Audio favorites on iOS 9
have not all made the switch to 10. Has anyone else experienced this?
I don't think it's an accessibility issue, but I'm guessing maybe
something is wrong with my system, or perhaps, that it was
accidentally omitted from iOS 10?

Scott

On 9/20/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
>  A member from the V iPHone list posted the following question:
>
> [BEGIN QUESTION]
> On the topic of bugs in the favourites I have a question: I was trying to
> add contacts to the favourites, and it gives me things like "message work"
> call work, and so on, after choosing a particular contact.  Now, the mobile
> numbers in my contact was not labelled that way, so how do you know which
> numbers are actually added to the favourites then?  I wanted to do this as
> to use the "do not disturb" option, but obviously I am not understanding
> favourites in the right way now.  Also, if I want to add more than 1
> contact
> to the favourites tab, it seems as if I have to close the app completely,
> then go back in, and try to add the contact.  I select a particular
> contact,
> for the second one to be added, but the phone adds a completely different
> contact.  Using an Iphone 6 with ios 10.  Any clarification would be
> appreciated.
> [ENG QUESTION]
>
> You know, I just tried to add a new number to my Favorites and encountered
> the same issue.
>
> All replies welcomed.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the 
following:

1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired 
connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you 
VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do this 
prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.

After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing cmd-q.  
This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.

5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
6.  Follow the prompts.

I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose the 
disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your 
internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make 
sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be 
pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID is 
required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the Window 
Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.

Good luck.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

Sorry for all my hascle,
now, the continue button is dimmbed,
nothing changed, , no progress etc.
I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
untitled, only 1 hd,
I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
is my HD damaged? or what happened?
THanks


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
> all.
> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
> recovery starts.
> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
> 
> 
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> A Question comes to my mind:
>> 
>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>> mini.
>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Hello Simon:
>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>> down my mac mini.
>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>> issue.
>>> so, what might be happened?
>>> what can I do now?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 HI Ramy,
 
 Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
 installer
 had downloaded.
 
 I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
 running
 state at all?
 
 If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
 folder
 Command shift A to get in there.
 
 Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
 
 If as Tim commented things might be correupted
 Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
 don't
 wish to lose?
 
 I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
 from
 scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
 existing
 install.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
 Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
 
 On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 

Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the 
security code when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For 
example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd 
already had it enabled on my Mac, then I'd choose "Approve from another 
device", which in turn would send a notification to all my devices that have 
iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to 
enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the first 
device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, or 
have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to reset 
this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix 
things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of 
approval mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

  Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud Keychain 
security code.

  So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to interact 
with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?

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Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

Hi Tim,
   At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from 
the Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the 
iPhone gets a text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac 
which then cycles back to requesting the security code. So I get 
nowhere. On that dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its not a 
link or button.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the security code 
when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For example, if I wished to 
enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, 
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would send a 
notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on 
my Mac, and would be asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If 
this is the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, or 
have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to reset 
this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix 
things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of 
approval mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

  Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud Keychain 
security code.

  So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to interact 
with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?

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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
upside there at all.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
> 
> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
> does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
> that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature 
> in our building.
> 
> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
> buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
> Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
> happen, I hope it does not.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice. 
>  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 
>>> 256/quad download.  
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
>>> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per 
>>> band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between 
>>> your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in 
>>> over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
>>> frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully 
>>> rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined 
>>> these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput 
>>> and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying 
>>> about user contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
>>> the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans 
>>> continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the 
>>> highest in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw 
>>> capacity and more towers to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code.  
this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next 
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, a phone 
number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID credentials to 
confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party could not simply 
change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
  At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac 
I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a 
text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles back 
to requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there is text 
that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the 
> security code when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For 
> example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if 
> I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, then I'd choose "Approve from another 
> device", which in turn would send a notification to all my devices that have 
> iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to 
> enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the first 
> device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.
> 
> If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, 
> or have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to 
> reset this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once 
> you fix things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods 
> of approval mentioned above.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
> security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
> enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud 
> Keychain security code.
> 
>  So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
> Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
> somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
> with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to 
> interact with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?
> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

They used to also hold a very large block of Verizon Wireless.  Verizon however 
has paid to separate from what I understand.


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:20 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> No, AT&T wireless is Vodafone's roaming partner in the US.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/09/2016, at 20:50, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>> Do Vodafone exist in the USA?
>>  
>> Also is Nokia still involved in development of these protocols etc for 
>> mobile networks?
>>  
>> I know they have just recently done something with Microsoft regarding 
>> mobile technology
>> I think  it’s purchased the mobile side of things back, but can’t remember 
>> correctly.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
>> beating verizon again!
>>  
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>  
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>>  
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>>  
>>  
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers. T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available. Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.
>>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset. This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower. This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time. This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october. Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.
>>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users. Plans continue to 
>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>> industry surpassing verizon. This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
>> carry your traffic.
>>  
>> Read more here
>>  
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
starts with the CEO and works on down from there.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
> upside there at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
>> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
>> 
>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
>> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, 
>> it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should 
>> like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in 
>> miniature in our building.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo 
>> to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better 
>> use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to 
>> make happen, I hope it does not.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you 
>>> would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their 
>>> ability to do stuff in the future
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
 sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
 group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
>> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
>> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is 
>> nice.  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
 ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
 network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps 
 back in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with 
 maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies 
 have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload 
 and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
 your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths 
 per band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) 
 between your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running 
 now in over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
 frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be 
 fully rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  
 Combined these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster 
 throughput and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out 
 worrying about user contention or the need to throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
 the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  
 Plans continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density 
 to the highest in the industry surpassing verizon. 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello  Tim:
I followed all your advices, and I think it starts installing, it
didn't ask me for my Wi-Fi password or something.   it shows now only
my Macintosh HD as a name, I even look with VO+F@ F@, no other
windows.
Hope it starts downloading., just to be calm.
 but wouldn't I see a progress indicator or something?


On 9/20/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the
> following:
>
> 1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired
> connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
> 2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
> 3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
> 4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you
> VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do
> this prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.
>
> After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing
> cmd-q.  This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.
>
> 5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
> 6.  Follow the prompts.
>
> I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose
> the disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your
> internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make
> sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be
> pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID
> is required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the
> Window Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> Sorry for all my hascle,
> now, the continue button is dimmbed,
> nothing changed, , no progress etc.
> I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
> after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
> untitled, only 1 hd,
> I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
> is my HD damaged? or what happened?
> THanks
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
>> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
>> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
>> all.
>> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
>> recovery starts.
>> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
>> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
>> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>>
>>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>>> mini.
>>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 Hello Simon:
 Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
 in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
 down my mac mini.
 and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
 issue.
 so, what might be happened?
 what can I do now?



 On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
> Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
> installer
> had downloaded.
>
> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
> running
> state at all?
>
> If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
> folder
> Command shift A to get in there.
>
> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>
> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
> don't
> wish to lose?
>
> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
> from
> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
> existing
> install.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option
>> r.
>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> No

Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

Tim,
   I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable 
Keychain, the dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit 
code. This must not be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.


   Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code.  
this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next 
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, a phone 
number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID credentials to 
confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party could not simply 
change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
  At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac 
I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a 
text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles back 
to requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there is text 
that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the security code 
when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For example, if I wished to 
enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, 
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would send a 
notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on 
my Mac, and would be asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If 
this is the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, or 
have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to reset 
this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix 
things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of 
approval mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

 Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to enter on 
the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code.

 So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to interact 
with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com





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Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[Robin]

ExcuseMe, Jonathan

Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's Latest Update, or at 
least capable of being Updated to it?

Thanx

I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is HighlyRumored ToBe Released 
to ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th


I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 EvenThough I purchased it IN 
September2013, but MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its 
RetinaDisplay MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm curious if My MacBookPRO is 
capable of being Updated.


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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that it should, although, I can't remember for sure how the Mountain 
Lion installer was.  Note, that this is going to download and install the 
Mountain Lion (10.8.*) installer, and you'll need to go to the App Store once 
again and click on the Upgrade to El Capitan (10.11.*) package to get El 
Capitan on your Mini.  Sorry, this didn't go as smoothly as it normally should, 
just your not so good luck it seems.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello  Tim:
I followed all your advices, and I think it starts installing, it
didn't ask me for my Wi-Fi password or something.   it shows now only
my Macintosh HD as a name, I even look with VO+F@ F@, no other
windows.
Hope it starts downloading., just to be calm.
but wouldn't I see a progress indicator or something?


On 9/20/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the
> following:
> 
> 1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired
> connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
> 2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
> 3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
> 4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you
> VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do
> this prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.
> 
> After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing
> cmd-q.  This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.
> 
> 5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
> 6.  Follow the prompts.
> 
> I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose
> the disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your
> internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make
> sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be
> pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID
> is required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the
> Window Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> Sorry for all my hascle,
> now, the continue button is dimmbed,
> nothing changed, , no progress etc.
> I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
> after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
> untitled, only 1 hd,
> I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
> is my HD damaged? or what happened?
> THanks
> 
> 
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
>> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
>> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
>> all.
>> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
>> recovery starts.
>> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
>> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
>> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>> 
>>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>>> mini.
>>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 Hello Simon:
 Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
 in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
 down my mac mini.
 and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
 issue.
 so, what might be happened?
 what can I do now?
 
 
 
 On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
> 
> Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
> installer
> had downloaded.
> 
> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
> running
> state at all?
> 
> If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
> folder
> Command shift A to get in there.
> 
> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
> 
> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
> don't
> wish to lose?
> 
> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
> from
> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
> existing
> install.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:mac

Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[becky knaub]

I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
Becky and GDF dog Hazel

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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  wrote:
> 
> I’m having the same issue.
> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
> 
> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt to enable 
iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable Keychain, the 
dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit code. This must not be 
the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.

  Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

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On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
> shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
> enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
> dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code.  
> this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
> pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next 
> numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, a 
> phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID credentials 
> to confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party could not 
> simply change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing all your info.
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac 
> I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a 
> text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles 
> back to requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there 
> is text that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.
> 
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> On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the 
>> security code when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For 
>> example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if 
>> I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, then I'd choose "Approve from another 
>> device", which in turn would send a notification to all my devices that have 
>> iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to 
>> enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the first 
>> device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.
>> 
>> If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, 
>> or have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to 
>> reset this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once 
>> you fix things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods 
>> of approval mentioned above.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
>> security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
>> enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud 
>> Keychain security code.
>> 
>> So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
>> Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
>> somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
>> with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to 
>> interact with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?
>> 
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Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

MacBook Pros Late 2010 or newer can run Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28, Robin  wrote:

ExcuseMe, Jonathan

Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's Latest Update, or at least capable 
of being Updated to it?
Thanx

I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is HighlyRumored ToBe Released to 
ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th

I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 EvenThough I purchased it IN 
September2013, but MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its RetinaDisplay 
MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm curious if My MacBookPRO is capable of being Updated.

Thanx!

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Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

   Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing 
helpful. I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain. later 
I may sign out and back in and see if that changes anything.


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On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt to enable 
iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable Keychain, the 
dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit code. This must not be 
the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.

  Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

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On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code.  
this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next 
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, a phone 
number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID credentials to 
confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party could not simply 
change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac I 
cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a text 
with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles back to 
requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there is text 
that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.

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On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the security code 
when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For example, if I wished to 
enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, 
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would send a 
notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on 
my Mac, and would be asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If 
this is the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, or 
have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to reset 
this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix 
things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of 
approval mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to enter on 
the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code.

So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to interact 
with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?

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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Caitlyn Furness]

I think this is messed up right now.

I tried to restore my old keychain on my i phone and I go through all the steps 
and it comes back as saying that i cloud keychain can’t be enabled and gives me 
an ok button.  I’ve tried this set up process on four successive days with no 
luck.  I”m going to wait til after the mac OS comes out, maybe next week, and 
see if that makes any difference.

Cait

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:05 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
> security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
> enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud 
> Keychain security code.
> 
>   So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
> Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
> somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
> with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to 
> interact with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?
> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Kliphton Miller]

The mac OS X was released about 5 minutes ago

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> I think this is messed up right now.
> 
> I tried to restore my old keychain on my i phone and I go through all the 
> steps and it comes back as saying that i cloud keychain can’t be enabled and 
> gives me an ok button.  I’ve tried this set up process on four successive 
> days with no luck.  I”m going to wait til after the mac OS comes out, maybe 
> next week, and see if that makes any difference.
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:05 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
>> security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to 
>> enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud 
>> Keychain security code.
>> 
>>  So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
>> Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
>> somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
>> with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to 
>> interact with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?
>> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good thing to 
do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to re-sign into iCloud.  
This allows for System Prefs to properly kill processes before logging back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T.  wrote:

  Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing helpful. I 
cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain. later I may sign out and 
back in and see if that changes anything.

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On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt to 
> enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
>  I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable Keychain, the 
> dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit code. This must not be 
> the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.
> 
>  Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.
> 
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> On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
>> shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
>> enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
>> dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code. 
>>  this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
>> pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the 
>> next numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, 
>> a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID 
>> credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party 
>> could not simply change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing 
>> all your info.
>> 
>> Let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac 
>> I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a 
>> text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles 
>> back to requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there 
>> is text that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.
>> 
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>> 
>> On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the 
>>> security code when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For 
>>> example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if 
>>> I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, then I'd choose "Approve from another 
>>> device", which in turn would send a notification to all my devices that 
>>> have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be 
>>> asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is 
>>> the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security 
>>> Code.
>>> 
>>> If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another 
>>> device, or have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from 
>>> the Mac to reset this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, 
>>> iCloud.  Once you fix things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the 
>>> regular methods of approval mentioned above.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
>>> security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there 
>>> to enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud 
>>> Keychain security code.
>>> 
>>> So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
>>> Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
>>> somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog 
>>> dealing with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have 
>>> to interact with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What 
>>> now?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes and that includes this late 2011 Macbook Pro 13 that I am typing on and 
have been running Sierra since its Gold Master was released to both developers 
and public beta testers. I tried an early beta, wasn’t impressed with it so 
have downgraded back to El Capitan, well truthfully I tried an early beta on a 
separate partition so was able to simply delete the partition and only have El 
Capitan on my Macintosh HD. Totally the opposite feelings with this Gold Master 
and should think the public release will be no different.
> On 20 Sep 2016, at 17:35, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> MacBook Pros Late 2010 or newer can run Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28, Robin  wrote:
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> ExcuseMe, Jonathan
> 
> Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's Latest Update, or at least 
> capable of being Updated to it?
> Thanx
> 
> I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is HighlyRumored ToBe Released to 
> ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th
> 
> I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 EvenThough I purchased it IN 
> September2013, but MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its 
> RetinaDisplay MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm curious if My MacBookPRO is capable 
> of being Updated.
> 
> Thanx!
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Jeff Berwick]

Okay, so it looks like something is going on that should be reported.  I was 
not part of the beta, so I don’t have the beta app to report bugs.  Is this 
something that should be reported to accessibil...@apple.com 
, or is there a better place for this?

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, becky knaub  wrote:
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> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  > wrote:
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>> I’m having the same issue.
>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
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>>> 
>>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>>> 
>>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>>> never submitted one before.
>>> 
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>>> Jeff
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[christopher hallsworth]

accessibil...@apple.com
is the best way to report  accessibility related bugs. You can also send your 
feedback through this online form at
www.apple.com/feedback


> On 20 Sep 2016, at 19:27, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Okay, so it looks like something is going on that should be reported.  I was 
> not part of the beta, so I don’t have the beta app to report bugs.  Is this 
> something that should be reported to accessibil...@apple.com, or is there a 
> better place for this?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, becky knaub  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
>> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
>> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
>> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m having the same issue.
>>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
 app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
 morning.
 
 Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
 when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
 and I think that causes a problem too.
 
 Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
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Re: Seil is not Sierra Compatible at this point

[Grant]

Hi Jonathan and list, a new version of Karabiner has been in the works for 
Sierra: https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements

When I last looked at it, the settings window wasn't functional so you had to 
add key bindings manually, and I didn't invest the time to learn how to do 
that; but it looks like the protopype has been updated since then so that may 
no longer be an issue. Looked like it had support for changing the caps lock 
key. Suffice it to say that we should be good to go soon. Meanwhile however 
folks should definitely bear this in mind if they choose to update to Sierra.

Grant

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:25 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi folks, the Mosen Consulting blog has a post on this, but for those who 
haven't seen it, many VMWare Fusion users enjoy the use of an app called Seil, 
which allows you to use the Caps Lock key as the JAWS key in Windows. 
With just a few hours to go as I write this until the release of Sierra, a 
Sierra-compatible version of Seil has not been released.
This means that you'll lose this functionality, at least for now, if you 
upgrade. You'll instead need to use something else like Sharp Keys or the key 
remapping functions of Fusion itself, neither of which allow you to use the 
Caps Lock key as a screen reader key.
I'm really hoping a Sierra-compatible version is in the works.

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Contacts on the iPhone 5s

[Angus MacKinnon]

I upgraded my iPhone 5S to IOS 10. How do I delete certain contacts on the 
iPhone? Also, How do I transfer All Contacts from my El Capitan iMac to my 
iPhone 5S running IOS 10? Thank you.

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Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, and 
then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the source 
of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to before 
getting to the headline.
Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find a 
way to change it back.
Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
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new os mail bug.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over will 
jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if you are 
looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first message in 
the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread and you will 
have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 message, you are 
placed either in the next thread or message depending on if it is a group of 
message or a single message and again this is after you delete the message in 
the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a way to get around this 
without disabling conversation view?  I am going to cc accessibility at apple 
on this so they can see this as well.  I had reported this in the beta cycle, 
but still is not fixed.

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Re: new os mail bug.

[Scott Granados]

I can not confirm this behavior on Gold master MacBook Pro Mid 2015 15 inch.

I’ll try again to replicate but following your description I’m not getting that 
behavior.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, matthew dyer  
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> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if you 
> are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first message 
> in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread and you 
> will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 message, you 
> are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if it is a group 
> of message or a single message and again this is after you delete the message 
> in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a way to get around 
> this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to cc accessibility at 
> apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had reported this in the beta 
> cycle, but still is not fixed.
> 
> Matthew
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Re: Contacts on the iPhone 5s

[Scott Granados]

Use iCloud, it syncs all your contacts across devices you don’t have to deal 
with them separately.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> I upgraded my iPhone 5S to IOS 10. How do I delete certain contacts on the 
> iPhone? Also, How do I transfer All Contacts from my El Capitan iMac to my 
> iPhone 5S running IOS 10? Thank you.
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Re: new os mail bug.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Confirmed and it's really annoying.
One thing that helps a little is the return of preview when you're arrowing 
through an open conversation. This means I don't have to open every message and 
lose my place.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 21/09/2016, at 8:04 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if you 
> are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first message 
> in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread and you 
> will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 message, you 
> are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if it is a group 
> of message or a single message and again this is after you delete the message 
> in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a way to get around 
> this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to cc accessibility at 
> apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had reported this in the beta 
> cycle, but still is not fixed.
> 
> Matthew
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Procedure to correct loss of unlock feature with Mac and Apple Watch

[Scott Granados]

Ran in to this over the weekend and after a lot of work figured it out, thought 
I’d summarize here in case others run in to the problem they can save some time.

Problem: Apple watch suddenly stops authenticating on the Mac

Solution, execute the following steps.

1. enter system preferences and uncheck unlock with apple watch.
2. exit preferences
3. disconnect from WiFi using the disconnect option available by holding 
command when opening the WiFi pulldown.
4. Reconnect to WiFi by selecting the SSID.
5. Open system preferences and select unlock with Apple watch, make sure you 
wait until the turning on option disappears.

That should do it.

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one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this system 
but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added message.
By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the shock i 
got was unbelievable.

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Re: new os mail bug.

[Mary Otten]

I haven't upgraded my Mac yet. But I wonder if the difference that you guys are 
experiencing, where Scott can't confirm, and the other two of you do, has to do 
with whether you are still using classic view or the new view, which isn't all 
that new anymore actually.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Confirmed and it's really annoying.
> One thing that helps a little is the return of preview when you're arrowing 
> through an open conversation. This means I don't have to open every message 
> and lose my place.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 21/09/2016, at 8:04 AM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
>> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
>> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if 
>> you are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first 
>> message in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread 
>> and you will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 
>> message, you are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if 
>> it is a group of message or a single message and again this is after you 
>> delete the message in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a 
>> way to get around this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to 
>> cc accessibility at apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had 
>> reported this in the beta cycle, but still is not fixed.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
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Re: new os mail bug.

[Scott Granados]

Mine is a view where each thread is showed as a group of messages that you 
press right arrow to expand if that helps.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I haven't upgraded my Mac yet. But I wonder if the difference that you guys 
> are experiencing, where Scott can't confirm, and the other two of you do, has 
> to do with whether you are still using classic view or the new view, which 
> isn't all that new anymore actually.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Confirmed and it's really annoying.
>> One thing that helps a little is the return of preview when you're arrowing 
>> through an open conversation. This means I don't have to open every message 
>> and lose my place.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 21/09/2016, at 8:04 AM, matthew dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
>>> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
>>> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if 
>>> you are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first 
>>> message in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread 
>>> and you will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 
>>> message, you are placed either in the next thread or message depending on 
>>> if it is a group of message or a single message and again this is after you 
>>> delete the message in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a 
>>> way to get around this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to 
>>> cc accessibility at apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had 
>>> reported this in the beta cycle, but still is not fixed.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
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Re: new os mail bug.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Another option that might effect things is if the reading of messages is done 
in the main window or in a separate thread window.  
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mine is a view where each thread is showed as a group of messages that you 
> press right arrow to expand if that helps.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't upgraded my Mac yet. But I wonder if the difference that you guys 
>> are experiencing, where Scott can't confirm, and the other two of you do, 
>> has to do with whether you are still using classic view or the new view, 
>> which isn't all that new anymore actually.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Confirmed and it's really annoying.
>>> One thing that helps a little is the return of preview when you're arrowing 
>>> through an open conversation. This means I don't have to open every message 
>>> and lose my place.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 21/09/2016, at 8:04 AM, matthew dyer >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that 
 has been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice 
 over will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For 
 example, if you are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete 
 say the first message in the thread, you will be taken to the last message 
 in the thread and you will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a 
 thread with 2 message, you are placed either in the next thread or message 
 depending on if it is a group of message or a single message and again 
 this is after you delete the message in the thread.  If anyone else is 
 seeing this is there a way to get around this without disabling 
 conversation view?  I am going to cc accessibility at apple on this so 
 they can see this as well.  I had reported this in the beta cycle, but 
 still is not fixed.
 
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Installation of Sierra

[Jonathan Cohn]

Is the download from the Appstore the entire package or just a stub that 
downloads the OS when started? Also, have there been any guides to create a 
flash disk installer, so I don't need to download 5 times?

Best wishes,

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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[Jonathan Cohn]

How come every time I read this subject  I think there is a new mail message to 
review ? I think Alex Hall might have helped with that new row added feature. 
There were a few discussions of it on the accessibility developers mailing list.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> 
> hey all,
> I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this system 
> but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
> now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added message.
> By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the shock 
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macos sierra and setup screen

[William Windels]

Hello ,
I have just installed macos sierra and, because of a strange reason, I lost the 
configuration screen.
This is the screen where they ask e.g. if I would upload all my documents fro 
my computer to iCloud.

I don’t know wat’s all further in the setup and I don’t know also how to get 
the configuration-setup back.

Any hints,
Kind regards,
William Windels

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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t know if there might be some 3rd part apps you could try.
I used to use the yocto clock but it doesn’t seem be developped anymore.
/A
> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 00:58 skrev Jeff Berwick :
> 
> I appreciate your thorough testing.  I only have my one iPhone :( , and have 
> run several tests.  The last test I ran seemed to be better, so here is 
> hoping that tomorrow morning I wake up on time. :)
> 
> Basically, what was happening for me in my tests was that the alarm would 
> turn on, then voiceover would say “Alarm” really loud and then the music was 
> non-existent.  I wonder if this has anything to do with me using a custom 
> alarm noise instead of the standard alarm sounds.
> 
> Anyway, let’s hope all is good.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  
>> 
>> I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision 
>> to use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was 
>> able to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume 
>> levels.  I ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and 
>> an iPhone 6 S Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, 
>> one from Verizon Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.
>> 
>> In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
>> whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.
>> 
>> Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
>> tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.
>> 
>> In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
>> very easy for me to compare volume levels.  
>> 
>> Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and 
>> ran tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock 
>> Alarm performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.
>> 
>> I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
>> not exist; at least, not that I could detect.
>> 
>> Happy Hunting,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
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how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Come to think of one thing.
Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
Just a thought from me.
/A
> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub :
> 
> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns  > wrote:
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>> I’m having the same issue.
>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>>> 
>>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>>> never submitted one before.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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RE: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[M. Taylor]

Hello Michael,

Where does one go to change this setting?

Thank you,

Mark

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Subject: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

hey all,
I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this system 
but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added message.
By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the shock i 
got was unbelievable.

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Attention Public Gold Master Users Of Sierra

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey. To you public beta testers running the Gold Master release of Sierra, I 
just found out that the gold master release isn't in fact the same release as 
the version that the public got today. Our version of Sierra is 10.12 build 
16A320 and we should be running 10.12 build 16A323. So with that being said, 
downloading the public release now.


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Re: Attention Public Gold Master Users Of Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Sean, thanks buddy for the heads up on this.  Seems odd that it’s different as 
I thought Gold Master meant the version that went to presses so to speak but 
there you go.

Thank you, downloading now.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hey. To you public beta testers running the Gold Master release of Sierra, I 
> just found out that the gold master release isn't in fact the same release as 
> the version that the public got today. Our version of Sierra is 10.12 build 
> 16A320 and we should be running 10.12 build 16A323. So with that being said, 
> downloading the public release now.
> 
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Re: Installation of Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Looks like Kliph posted a how too on the creation of media side and yes the 
download if the full release I believe.  Should be fine on a USB stick.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Is the download from the Appstore the entire package or just a stub that 
> downloads the OS when started? Also, have there been any guides to create a 
> flash disk installer, so I don't need to download 5 times?
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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[Michael Marshall]

you go to verbosity, announcements and there will be an option for changing 
what VO does when rows change under the cursor
> On 21 Sep. 2016, at 8:53 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Where does one go to change this setting?
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> Thank you,
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> hey all,
> I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this system 
> but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
> now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added message.
> By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the shock 
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Re: Attention Public Gold Master Users Of Sierra

[Michael Marshall]

i have done this as well.
> On 21 Sep. 2016, at 9:38 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> 16A320 and we should be running 10.12 build 16A323. So with that being said, 
> downloading the public release now.
> 
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how to determine download status in app store?

[Scott Granados]

Hi, how can you determine the download status of an app or sierra being 
downloaded in the App Store ?  I can’t find the download progress status.  Any 
pointers would be most appreciated.

Thank you

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Re: how to determine download status in app store?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Look at the table in the purchases section.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi, how can you determine the download status of an app or sierra being 
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Re: how to determine download status in app store?

[Scott Granados]

Ah, I don’t see anything there that shows download, should it be on the first 
line or is it elsewhere in the table?

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> Look at the table in the purchases section.
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> Best wishes,
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Re: how to determine download status in app store?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It should be next to the pause button

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Ah, I don’t see anything there that shows download, should it be on the first 
> line or is it elsewhere in the table?
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>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> Look at the table in the purchases section.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
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>>> Hi, how can you determine the download status of an app or sierra being 
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Re: how to determine download status in app store?

[Scott Granados]

I just figured it out, what I did was originally hit the download button on 
sierra in the group.  I then clicked on the sierra name with in the group where 
it opened up the full entry for sierra and it shows the progress right there in 
minutes and percentage.

Thanks as always 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> It should be next to the pause button
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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>> Ah, I don’t see anything there that shows download, should it be on the 
>> first line or is it elsewhere in the table?
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look at the table in the purchases section.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, how can you determine the download status of an app or sierra being 
 downloaded in the App Store ?  I can’t find the download progress status.  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.
 
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1Password update

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just got notified that 1Password has updates in support of the new OS.

Have fun!
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Jonathan Cohn]

Good thinking there! I turned off audio ducking, I can't stand it, and I have 
not encountered this issue.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Come to think of one thing.
> Can it be some problems with the audioducking feature thats in voiceover.
> Just a thought from me.
> /A
>> 20 sep. 2016 kl. 18:29 skrev becky knaub > >:
>> 
>> I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
>> soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
>> Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
>> Becky and GDF dog Hazel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:19 AM, kary johns > > wrote:
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>>> I’m having the same issue.
>>> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
>>> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
 app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
 morning.
 
 Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
 when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
 and I think that causes a problem too.
 
 Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Brent Harding]

The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept of 
services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a decent 
selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about one of those 
retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local TV company makes 
me think about how bad it is for those customers affected by it. I don't think 
any provider is immune from being pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is 
the one that seems to make the news with them.

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  Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
beating verizon again!


  Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
starts with the CEO and works on down from there.


On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:


 I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
upside there at all.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:


  You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.


  VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature in 
our building.


  I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for 
T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better 
use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
happen, I hope it does not.



On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think that 
would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in 
the future

Sent from my iPhone

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  I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)


On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


  Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign 
and I know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)




On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  
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Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet 
in my aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really 
need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.

Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:


  For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced 
or the ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to 
the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and 
new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths 
to your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
quickly being rolled out network wide.
  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled 
out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the ability 
to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user contention or 
the n

Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Weird, I have a mid 2010, not late, but mid, 2010 system, and Sierra 
installed just fine on to it.

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Subject: Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)


Yes and that includes this late 2011 Macbook Pro 13 that I am typing on and 
have been running Sierra since its Gold Master was released to both 
developers and public beta testers. I tried an early beta, wasn’t impressed 
with it so have downgraded back to El Capitan, well truthfully I tried an 
early beta on a separate partition so was able to simply delete the 
partition and only have El Capitan on my Macintosh HD. Totally the opposite 
feelings with this Gold Master and should think the public release will be 
no different.

On 20 Sep 2016, at 17:35, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

MacBook Pros Late 2010 or newer can run Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28, Robin  wrote:

ExcuseMe, Jonathan

Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's Latest Update, or at least 
capable of being Updated to it?

Thanx

I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is HighlyRumored ToBe Released to 
ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th


I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 EvenThough I purchased it IN 
September2013, but MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its 
RetinaDisplay MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm curious if My MacBookPRO is 
capable of being Updated.


Thanx!

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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they won’t 
pay the extra 8 cents per sub.

The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people instead 
of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had a good 
product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the dim view he 
has of the disabled also became apparent.

Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept of 
> services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about one 
> of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local TV 
> company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected by 
> it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation 
>> beating verizon again!
>> 
>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
>> starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
>>> upside there at all.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
 there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
 
 VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
 Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, 
 it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. 
 should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network 
 in miniature in our building.
 
 I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
 for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum 
 to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be 
 more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
  
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you 
> would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their 
> ability to do stuff in the future
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
>> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in 
>> the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
 know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
 it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is 
 nice.  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. 
> Smile. Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>>>

Re: new os mail bug.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Am also copying Apple Accessibility on this.

I, too, have seen this during the beta, and reported it.  I'm really shocked 
it never got fixed.

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From: "matthew dyer" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:04 PM
Subject: new os mail bug.


Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if 
you are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first 
message in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread 
and you will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 
message, you are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if 
it is a group of message or a single message and again this is after you 
delete the message in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a 
way to get around this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to 
cc accessibility at apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had 
reported this in the beta cycle, but still is not fixed.


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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

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I'm trying to remember where you set that.  I saw it during the beta, but I 
don't remember exactly where.

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From: "Michael Marshall" 

To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:43 PM
Subject: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!



hey all,
I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this 
system but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added 
message.
By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[Alex Hall]

I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging them 
around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
> before getting to the headline.
> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
> a way to change it back.
> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
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Re: new os mail bug.

[Alex Hall]

Sorry, I can't confirm this either. I use standard view, with a five-line 
preview, if that matters.
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 16:04, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
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> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if you 
> are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first message 
> in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread and you 
> will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 message, you 
> are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if it is a group 
> of message or a single message and again this is after you delete the message 
> in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a way to get around 
> this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to cc accessibility at 
> apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had reported this in the beta 
> cycle, but still is not fixed.
> 
> Matthew
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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

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Super!  Thank you.
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To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!


you go to verbosity, announcements and there will be an option for 
changing what VO does when rows change under the cursor

On 21 Sep. 2016, at 8:53 am, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Michael,

Where does one go to change this setting?

Thank you,

Mark

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hey all,
I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this 
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now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[Jonathan Mosen]

Thanks Alex, I'll have a play. Are you using another RSS reader?
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> On 21/09/2016, at 1:40 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
> headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
> vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging 
> them around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
> dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
> headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
>> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
>> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
>> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
>> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
>> before getting to the headline.
>> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
>> a way to change it back.
>> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
>> Thanks,
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Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[Robin]

Is Apple'sSiri operatingsmoothly on YourMacBook2010? JustWonderin'
At 06:35 PM 9/20/2016, you wrote:
Weird, I have a mid 2010, not late, but mid, 
2010 system, and Sierra installed just fine on to it.

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Subject: Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)


Yes and that includes this late 2011 Macbook Pro 
13 that I am typing on and have been running 
Sierra since its Gold Master was released to 
both developers and public beta testers. I tried 
an early beta, wasn’t impressed with it so 
have downgraded back to El Capitan, well 
truthfully I tried an early beta on a separate 
partition so was able to simply delete the 
partition and only have El Capitan on my 
Macintosh HD. Totally the opposite feelings with 
this Gold Master and should think the public release will be no different.

On 20 Sep 2016, at 17:35, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

MacBook Pros Late 2010 or newer can run Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28, Robin  wrote:

ExcuseMe, Jonathan

Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's 
Latest Update, or at least capable of being Updated to it?

Thanx

I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is 
HighlyRumored ToBe Released to ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th


I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 
EvenThough I purchased it IN September2013, but 
MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its 
RetinaDisplay MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm 
curious if My MacBookPRO is capable of being Updated.


Thanx!

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Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What?

I'm sorry, but please put spaces between each of your words, as it's making 
it practically impossible otherwise to read your messages.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Robin" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)


Is Apple'sSiri operatingsmoothly on YourMacBook2010? JustWonderin'
At 06:35 PM 9/20/2016, you wrote:
Weird, I have a mid 2010, not late, but mid, 2010 system, and Sierra 
installed just fine on to it.

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- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Sierra: Compatible MacBookPRO (Which Models?)


Yes and that includes this late 2011 Macbook Pro 13 that I am typing on and 
have been running Sierra since its Gold Master was released to both 
developers and public beta testers. I tried an early beta, wasn’t 
impressed with it so have downgraded back to El Capitan, well truthfully I 
tried an early beta on a separate partition so was able to simply delete 
the partition and only have El Capitan on my Macintosh HD. Totally the 
opposite feelings with this Gold Master and should think the public release 
will be no different.

On 20 Sep 2016, at 17:35, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

MacBook Pros Late 2010 or newer can run Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28, Robin  wrote:

ExcuseMe, Jonathan

Which MacBookPRO are compatible with Apple's Latest Update, or at least 
capable of being Updated to it?

Thanx

I'm Referrin'To the NEW Mac OS, which is HighlyRumored ToBe Released to 
ThePublic Today,Tuesday,September20th


I beleive I have AnApple MacBookPRO 2012 EvenThough I purchased it IN 
September2013, but MyPurchase was PriorTo Apple's Release of its 
RetinaDisplay MacBookPROs IN 2013, & I'm curious if My MacBookPRO is 
capable of being Updated.


Thanx!

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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
> 
> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
> and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people instead 
> of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had a good 
> product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the dim view 
> he has of the disabled also became apparent.
> 
> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
>>> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about 
>>> one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local 
>>> TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected 
>>> by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
>>> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>>> modulation beating verizon again!
>>> 
>>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
>>> starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
 upside there at all.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
> spectrum.
> 
> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right 
> though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 
> (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ 
> network in miniature in our building.
> 
> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum 
> to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be 
> more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more 
>> money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has 
>> been doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and 
>> you would think that would impact of their income over all and thus and 
>> their ability to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
>>> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in 
>>> the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and 
> I know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the 
> read it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which 
> is nice.  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. 
>> Smile. Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild 
>> West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> 

Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>> 
>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
>> and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people 
>> instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had 
>> a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the 
>> dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>> 
>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
>>> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about 
>>> one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local 
>>> TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected 
>>> by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
>>> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Granados 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
 modulation beating verizon again!
 
 Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
 starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
> upside there at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>> spectrum.
>> 
>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt. 
>>  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right 
>> though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 
>> (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ 
>> network in miniature in our building.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
>> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
>>> I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. 
>>> They still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have 
>>> more money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. 
>>> T-Mobile has been doing well. But they are still number three in the 
>>> big race, and you would think that would impact of their income over 
>>> all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
 very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer 
 in the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and 
>> I know they are closing on more spectru

Re: Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I think this was when I had a  4S that we had dish. We've actually 
had it a few different times. We had it back east, way before there were phones 
like android and iPhone. Then we had it out here a couple of different times, 
the last one of which was a few years ago when I had a lousy accessibility 
experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
> time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
> frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
>> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>>> 
>>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US 
>>> workers and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled 
>>> people instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, 
>>> they had a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches 
>>> and the dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>>> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have 
> a decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear 
> about one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or 
> that local TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those 
> customers affected by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being 
> pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the 
> news with them.
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
> modulation beating verizon again!
> 
> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My 
> problem starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see 
>> any upside there at all.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>>> spectrum.
>>> 
>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of 
>>> debt.  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re 
>>> right though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called 
>>> building 51 (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole 
>>> replication of the VZ network in miniature in our building.
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be
>>> nice for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>  
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
 I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. 
 They still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have 
 more money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. 
 T-Mobile has been doing well. But they are still number three in the 
 big race, and you would think that would impact of their income over 
 all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer 
> in the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>

screenflow 5 in OS X 10.12?

[Michael Babcock]

can anyone confirm if this works in OS X 10.12?
That’s the reason why i downgraded from the beta, is because SF 5 didn’t work 
in 10.12.
thanks.
best.
michael

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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[gs]

I am currently installing Sierra and will definitely be attempting to solve 
this shortly myself.

On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Thanks Alex, I'll have a play. Are you using another RSS reader?
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> On 21/09/2016, at 1:40 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
> headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
> vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging 
> them around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
> dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
> headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
>> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
>> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
>> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
>> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
>> before getting to the headline.
>> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
>> a way to change it back.
>> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[Caitlyn Furness]

Wow, thanks for this!  this is actually getting me more excited to update!  
glad they finally gave us this feature!

Cait

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> I have been dying to talk about this since the beta came out for this system 
> but you can now change how VO tells you of updates to table rows.
> now you can have nothing, ticks or the old and shocking one row added message.
> By default when I first installed Sierra it was set to nothing and the shock 
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Re: one row added VO message gone at last in Sierra!

[Michael Marshall]

verbosity, announcements, look for the option that asks what VO should do when 
row changes under the cursor
> On 21 Sep. 2016, at 11:39 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to Sierra 
guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my information  I  
have  and so on.  If so, I don't know how to set time machine in order  to use 
it with my mac. Or   Is there any other tools that you recommend  I can use in  
order   to back up my information of my mac computer better?  On my Mac 
computer I have VM  ware fusion running windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use 
both of them for school assignments and so on. I'm just backing up my 
information just in case something  could occur with my computer. In regards of 
Virtual machines they can also be back up in order  not to lose information of 
it right?  I wil really  appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any 
feedback about this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God 
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