new i watch

[elayneh]

i have a new i watch and need information on how to set it up without 
sight. thanks


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RE: new i watch

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

To set up your watch,

Firstly find the watch app on your iPhone
 Secondly you will if you’re a voiceover user need to start up voiceover

To start up voiceover on the watch you will need to press the digital crown 
(that windy thing) in 3 times.

One two three,
 If the watch is not powered on then press the small flatter button beside the 
digital crown and hold it in for approx. 2 seconds.

Then do the triple  press of the digitl crown to enable voiceover,

Then in the watch app follow the prompts on the screan and of course what is 
coming up on the watch face.

The watch app on the phone and the watch give you all the instructions and 
carry out the difficult work.

Hope that helps you somewhat.

Cheers,


Simon f

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Subject: new i watch

i have a new i watch and need information on how to set it up without sight. 
thanks
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Re: new i watch

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh,

IWatch?  Did I miss something here?  I thought it was called the "Apple!" 
Watch, not the IWatch.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 4:38 AM
  Subject: RE: new i watch


  Hi,

   

  To set up your watch,

   

  Firstly find the watch app on your iPhone  

   Secondly you will if you’re a voiceover user need to start up voiceover 

   

  To start up voiceover on the watch you will need to press the digital crown 
(that windy thing) in 3 times.

   

  One two three, 

   If the watch is not powered on then press the small flatter button beside 
the digital crown and hold it in for approx. 2 seconds.

   

  Then do the triple  press of the digitl crown to enable voiceover,

   

  Then in the watch app follow the prompts on the screan and of course what is 
coming up on the watch face.

   

  The watch app on the phone and the watch give you all the instructions and 
carry out the difficult work.

   

  Hope that helps you somewhat.

   

  Cheers,

   

   

  Simon f

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of elayneh
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  i have a new i watch and need information on how to set it up without sight. 
thanks 

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Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Thanks.  I’m sure there’s an app for that if someone really wants to.  I 
dabbled with music sharing when it first hit the Internet but decided both for 
reasons of ethics and convenience not to continue using those programs.  I 
think I have since replaced the few tracks I got that way with legit versions.  
Sounds like it would be worth my time to subscribe for at least a year.  I’ve 
also been reluctant because of the less than optimal way iTunes handles music 
on Windows, but now having converted to the Mac and understanding a little 
better how it works I may go for it.

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 6:24 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> There is no DRM involved with iTunes  Match but there is a signature where 
> basically your Apple ID is inserted into the Extended Tag properties of each 
> file file you download using Match.
> 
> This extended tag willl have a lable of ITUNESACCOUNT followed by your Apple 
> ID without any spaces. This means that any Match  Music you share with others 
> could theoretically be sourced back to you as the originator and presumably 
> there is a risk you may face consequences if this music is shared. Amazon do 
> something similar but do not bother using extended tag properties but just 
> the normal comments sections of tagged music files the last time I looked.
> 
> 
> I do not know of any way of displaying the Extended Tag properties of a m4a 
> file using a Mac, though normal tag properties are easily visible.  However 
> if you use the free Mp3Tag  utility under windows in boot camp or Fusion and 
> invoke the extended tag view you will easily be able to find what I am 
> talking about.
> 
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 05/09/2016 14:33, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:
>> I don’t really want Match, but I have considered using it because I have so 
>> much music that was ripped from CD at lower quality and it would be nice to 
>> replace it all without having to go through all the CDs again.  One thing I 
>> wonder though, Is there some DRM component in the downloaded copies that 
>> would force me to keep Match from then on?
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Cliff.  As I think about it, that may have been how I did it 
>>> before, it's just been a while.  thanks for the help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller >>> > wrote:
 
 The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and 
 download it again from iTunes match.
 
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> Hi all,
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> I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them 
> with the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting 
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Re: new i watch

[elayneh]

thanks very much. this did the trick.


On 9/6/2016 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi,

To set up your watch,

Firstly find the watch app on your iPhone
  Secondly you will if you’re a voiceover user need to start up voiceover

To start up voiceover on the watch you will need to press the digital crown 
(that windy thing) in 3 times.

One two three,
  If the watch is not powered on then press the small flatter button beside the 
digital crown and hold it in for approx. 2 seconds.

Then do the triple  press of the digitl crown to enable voiceover,

Then in the watch app follow the prompts on the screan and of course what is 
coming up on the watch face.

The watch app on the phone and the watch give you all the instructions and 
carry out the difficult work.

Hope that helps you somewhat.

Cheers,


Simon f

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Subject: new i watch

i have a new i watch and need information on how to set it up without sight. 
thanks
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Mary, for some reason the 5220 is over $50 cheaper than amazon in Best Buy 
stores.  Haven’t checked their web but in the store it self they were at a 
deeper discount than you can get them online.  Also make sure you are looking 
at the right one.  There’s a UC model for communications systems that I think 
includes a dongle.  You just want the base model.  (non UC)

Not sure if that helps.

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well nuts. I just saw one Amazon wants for that headset, and it is expensive! 
> By the way, the protocol or whenever you want to call it that I have been 
> talking about isaptx.  It's an alternative compression method. I just found 
> an article that's two years old, which is why am not bothering to link it. 
> I'm sure there must be more advanced more current articles that will tell 
> more about it and whether it's worth anything. But back to that 5220 headset. 
> I sought on Amazon for a whopping $180. I don't think so. I would love to 
> have something with the characteristics you described. But the price needs to 
> come down a bit.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Nope, still have the legend.  I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could 
>> open a phone store with.:)  It seems snappier than the Legend.
>> 
>> Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover 
>> are much faster.
>> 
>>  
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost 
 non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if 
 it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is 
 pretty snappy.
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT 
> devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
> periods, time between charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
>> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>>> believe.
>>> 
>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>>> least someone is trying.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg >>> > wrote:
 
 A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese 
 who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter 
 with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
 
 Take care 
 
 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen  >:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

I have several 308’s  (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends).  it’s an 
awful big round for a bunny rabbit.  I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim 
fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle.  I have a .177 air rifle 
that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine.  I bought my father one to protect 
his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be 
appropriate that close to the houses.  The bob cat behind his property has been 
filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort.
A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and 
Insurgent Taliban.


> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008,
> The little bugger just exploes
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
>  
> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it 
> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
> recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
> no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  
> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>  
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
> phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
> snappy.
>  
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
> charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
> headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.
> 
> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
> 
> 
> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
> someone is trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  > wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
> dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
> port and 3.5mm jack.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen  >:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind pers

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig Saur fan 
myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion and has the 
highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some fantastic AR 
models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.  

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Ha!
> a Springfield lover! :)
> very dependable tool I must say!.
> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008,
>> The little bugger just exploes
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
>> iPhone seven
>>  
>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
>> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
>> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it 
>> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, 
>> it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. 
>> Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  
>> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>>  
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>>  
>> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
>> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s 
>> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
>> snappy.
>>  
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
>> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
>> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
>> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>> charges may not be that long.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>  
>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>>  
>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
>> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
>> headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.
>> 
>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
>> 
>> 
>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
>> someone is trying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had 
>> a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen > >:
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
>> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about

My command Key sometimes does not work

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig Saur
> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion and
> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
> fantastic AR models.
>
> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Ha!
>> a Springfield lover! :)
>> very dependable tool I must say!.
>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>
>>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
>>> 3008,
>>> The little bugger just exploes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the
>>> iPhone seven
>>>
>>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new
>>> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
>>> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand,
>>> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it
>>> in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
>>> bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the
>>> review.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.
>>>  Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost
>>> non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if
>>> it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination
>>> is pretty snappy.
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device
>>> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using
>>> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we
>>> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT
>>> devices.
>>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
>>> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the
>>> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which
>>> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long
>>> periods, time between charges may not be that long.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>>>
>>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a
>>> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any
>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
>>> 
>>>
>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at
>>> least someone is trying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who
>>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both
>>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack.
>>>
>>> Take care
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen >>

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[E.T.]

   Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac 
keyboard?


   For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus 
back on Finder.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig Saur
fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion and
has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
fantastic AR models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.


On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the
iPhone seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand,
it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it
in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the
review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.
 Was going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost
non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if
it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination
is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device
has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using
Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we
could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT
devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the
position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which
hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long
periods, time between charges may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a
headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any
3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for 19.99 I
believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter


This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at
least someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who
had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both
lightning port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a
huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello,
the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
miss behave or not.
Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
THanks for the VOf2 f2.
but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
window, why is this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
> Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
> keyboard?
>
> For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
> back on Finder.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
>> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
>> fix this.
>> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
>> back to finder to find my files etc.
>> is there a fix for these 2 issues?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig
>>> Saur
>>> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion
>>> and
>>> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
>>> fantastic AR models.
>>>
>>> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>>>
 On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
  wrote:

 Ha!
 a Springfield lover! :)
 very dependable tool I must say!.
 Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
 A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
 Talk soon
 Chuck

 On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
> 3008,
> The little bugger just exploes
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on
> the
> iPhone seven
>
> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a
> new
> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other
> hand,
> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put
> it
> in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
> bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in
> the
> review.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection
> today.
>  Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is
> almost
> non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure
> if
> it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the
> combination
> is pretty snappy.
>
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin
> device
> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using
> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we
> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT
> devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in
> the
> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged,
> which
> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long
> periods, time between charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a
> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
>
> Ah yes, you are talk

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[E.T.]

   Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure 
of the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.


   The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which 
window you want to bring to the front.


   Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.

   Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.

   Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.

   There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want 
to handle multiple Finder windows.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello,
the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
miss behave or not.
Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
THanks for the VOf2 f2.
but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
window, why is this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:

Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
keyboard?

For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
back on Finder.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig
Saur
fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion
and
has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
fantastic AR models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.


On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on
the
iPhone seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a
new
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other
hand,
it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put
it
in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in
the
review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection
today.
 Was going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is
almost
non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure
if
it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the
combination
is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin
device
has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using
Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we
could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT
devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in
the
position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged,
which
hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long
periods, time between charges may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a
headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any
3.5MM headphone in to a blue to

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Scott Granados]

I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with the 
thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.

If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that 
compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out of 
keyboards.

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of the 
> Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.
> 
>   The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window you 
> want to bring to the front.
> 
>   Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.
> 
>   Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.
> 
>   Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.
> 
>   There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to 
> handle multiple Finder windows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello,
>> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
>> miss behave or not.
>> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
>> THanks for the VOf2 f2.
>> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
>> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
>> window, why is this?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
>>> keyboard?
>>> 
>>>For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
>>> back on Finder.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hello all:
 
 sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
 command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
 fix this.
 also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
 back to finder to find my files etc.
 is there a fix for these 2 issues?
 Thanks
 
 
 On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig
> Saur
> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion
> and
> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
> fantastic AR models.
> 
> Henry Repeating is another good one.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ha!
>> a Springfield lover! :)
>> very dependable tool I must say!.
>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
>>> 3008,
>>> The little bugger just exploes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on
>>> the
>>> iPhone seven
>>> 
>>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a
>>> new
>>> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
>>> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other
>>> hand,
>>> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put
>>> it
>>> in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
>>> bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in
>>> the
>>> review.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection
>>> today.
>>> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is
>>> almost
>>> non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure
>>> if
>>> it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the
>>> combination
>>> is pretty snappy.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[E.T.]

   Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in 
handy. Thanks for the reminder.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with the 
thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.

If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that 
compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out of 
keyboards.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of the 
Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.

  The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window you 
want to bring to the front.

  Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.

  Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.

  Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.

  There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to handle 
multiple Finder windows.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello,
the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
miss behave or not.
Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
THanks for the VOf2 f2.
but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
window, why is this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:

   Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
keyboard?

   For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
back on Finder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig
Saur
fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion
and
has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
fantastic AR models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.


On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on
the
iPhone seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a
new
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other
hand,
it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put
it
in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in
the
review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection
today.
Was going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is
almost
non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure
if
it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the
combination
is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin
device
has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using
Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we
could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT
devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in
the
position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged,
which
hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long
periods, time betw

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Scott Granados]

It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can get 
under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.

Good luck.

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in handy. 
> Thanks for the reminder.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with the 
>> thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.
>> 
>> If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that 
>> compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out of 
>> keyboards.
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of the 
>>> Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.
>>> 
>>>  The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window you 
>>> want to bring to the front.
>>> 
>>>  Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.
>>> 
>>>  Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.
>>> 
>>>  Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.
>>> 
>>>  There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to 
>>> handle multiple Finder windows.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hello,
 the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
 miss behave or not.
 Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
 THanks for the VOf2 f2.
 but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
 can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
 window, why is this?
 Thanks
 
 
 On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
>   Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
> keyboard?
> 
>   For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
> back on Finder.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
>> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
>> fix this.
>> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
>> back to finder to find my files etc.
>> is there a fix for these 2 issues?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or Sig
>>> Saur
>>> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my opinion
>>> and
>>> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has some
>>> fantastic AR models.
>>> 
>>> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
  wrote:
 
 Ha!
 a Springfield lover! :)
 very dependable tool I must say!.
 Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
 A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
 Talk soon
 Chuck
 
 On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a
> 3008,
> The little bugger just exploes
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on
> the
> iPhone seven
> 
> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a
> new
> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased
> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other
> hand,
> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put
> it
> in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer
> bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in
> the
> review.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection
> today.
> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, 

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
tha t I can not recognize?

and I have another question:"
I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
there a way to achieve this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can get
> under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.
>
> Good luck.
>
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
>> handy. Thanks for the reminder.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with
>>> the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.
>>>
>>> If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that
>>> compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out
>>> of keyboards.
>>>
 On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of
 the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.

  The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window
 you want to bring to the front.

  Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.

  Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.

  Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.

  There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
 handle multiple Finder windows.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Hello,
> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
> miss behave or not.
> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
> THanks for the VOf2 f2.
> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
> window, why is this?
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>   Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
>> keyboard?
>>
>>   For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
>> back on Finder.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Hello all:
>>>
>>> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
>>> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
>>> fix this.
>>> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
>>> back to finder to find my files etc.
>>> is there a fix for these 2 issues?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
 Sig
 Saur
 fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
 opinion
 and
 has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
 some
 fantastic AR models.

 Henry Repeating is another good one.

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>  wrote:
>
> Ha!
> a Springfield lover! :)
> very dependable tool I must say!.
> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with
>> a
>> 3008,
>> The little bugger just exploes
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue
>> on
>> the
>> iPhone seven
>>
>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to
>> adopt a
>> new
>> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently
>> purchased
>> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the
>> other
>> hand,
>> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you
>> put

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Ramy Moustafa]

On 9/6/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
> and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
> tha t I can not recognize?
>
> and I have another question:"
> I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
> external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
> there a way to achieve this?
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can
>> get
>> under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
>>> handy. Thanks for the reminder.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but
 with
 the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.

 If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of
 that
 compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk
 out
 of keyboards.

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
>  Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure
> of
> the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.
>
>  The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which
> window
> you want to bring to the front.
>
>  Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.
>
>  Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.
>
>  Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.
>
>  There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
> handle multiple Finder windows.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello,
>> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
>> miss behave or not.
>> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
>> THanks for the VOf2 f2.
>> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
>> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
>> window, why is this?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>   Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
>>> keyboard?
>>>
>>>   For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
>>> back on Finder.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hello all:

 sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command
 C,
 command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart,
 to
 fix this.
 also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they
 go
 back to finder to find my files etc.
 is there a fix for these 2 issues?
 Thanks


 On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
> Sig
> Saur
> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
> opinion
> and
> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
> some
> fantastic AR models.
>
> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Ha!
>> a Springfield lover! :)
>> very dependable tool I must say!.
>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>
>>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger
>>> with
>>> a
>>> 3008,
>>> The little bugger just exploes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack
>>> issue
>>> on
>>> the
>>> iPhone seven
>>>
>>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to
>>> adopt a
>>> new
>>> headset when my old one a

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Shawn Krasniuk]

To cut is Command+Option+V.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> On 9/6/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
>> and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
>> tha t I can not recognize?
>> 
>> and I have another question:"
>> I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
>> external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
>> there a way to achieve this?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can
>>> get
>>> under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
 On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
  Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
 handy. Thanks for the reminder.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but
> with
> the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.
> 
> If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of
> that
> compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk
> out
> of keyboards.
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure
>> of
>> the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.
>> 
>> The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which
>> window
>> you want to bring to the front.
>> 
>> Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.
>> 
>> Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.
>> 
>> Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.
>> 
>> There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
>> handle multiple Finder windows.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
>>> miss behave or not.
>>> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
>>> THanks for the VOf2 f2.
>>> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
>>> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
>>> window, why is this?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
  Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
 keyboard?
 
  For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
 back on Finder.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command
> C,
> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart,
> to
> fix this.
> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they
> go
> back to finder to find my files etc.
> is there a fix for these 2 issues?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
>> Sig
>> Saur
>> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
>> opinion
>> and
>> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
>> some
>> fantastic AR models.
>> 
>> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ha!
>>> a Springfield lover! :)
>>> very dependable tool I must say!.
>>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
>>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger
 with
 a
 3008,
 The little bugger just exploes
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, the cmd-option-v requires the Copy (cmd-c) action first.  So, on the 
Mac, you cannot use the Cut command on file actions, you'd need to use the 
Copy, then the Move (cmd-option-v) command as opposed to the Copy and Paste 
command.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 6, 2016, at 12:33, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

To cut is Command+Option+V.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> On 9/6/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
>> and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
>> tha t I can not recognize?
>> 
>> and I have another question:"
>> I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
>> external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
>> there a way to achieve this?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can
>>> get
>>> under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
 On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
 handy. Thanks for the reminder.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but
> with
> the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.
> 
> If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of
> that
> compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk
> out
> of keyboards.
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure
>> of
>> the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.
>> 
>> The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which
>> window
>> you want to bring to the front.
>> 
>> Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.
>> 
>> Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.
>> 
>> Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.
>> 
>> There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
>> handle multiple Finder windows.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
>>> miss behave or not.
>>> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
>>> THanks for the VOf2 f2.
>>> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
>>> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
>>> window, why is this?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:
 Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
 keyboard?
 
 For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
 back on Finder.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command
> C,
> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart,
> to
> fix this.
> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they
> go
> back to finder to find my files etc.
> is there a fix for these 2 issues?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
>> Sig
>> Saur
>> fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
>> opinion
>> and
>> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
>> some
>> fantastic AR models.
>> 
>> Henry Repeating is another good one.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ha!
>>> a Springfield lover! :)
>>> very dependable tool I must say!.
>>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
>>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger
 with
>

Re: My command Key sometimes does not work

[E.T.]

   Oh I get it. No idea then. I know it would be inconvenient but in a 
pinch, you can either use the context menu or edit on the menu bar.


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  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 11:22 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
tha t I can not recognize?

and I have another question:"
I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
there a way to achieve this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can get
under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.

Good luck.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
handy. Thanks for the reminder.

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 Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with
the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.

If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that
compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out
of keyboards.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of
the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.

 The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window
you want to bring to the front.

 Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.

 Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.

 Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.

 There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
handle multiple Finder windows.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello,
the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
miss behave or not.
Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
THanks for the VOf2 f2.
but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
window, why is this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, E.T.  wrote:

  Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
keyboard?

  For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
back on Finder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
Sig
Saur
fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
opinion
and
has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
some
fantastic AR models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.


On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with
a
3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue
on
the
iPhone seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to
adopt a
new
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently
purchased
the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the
other
hand,
it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you
put
it
in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the
energizer
bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested
in
the
review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the
collection
today.
Was going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10

Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working 
well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly 
working under OS X anyway.


   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does 
its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not 
doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.


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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is it aptx or what its called.
/A
> On 5 Sep 2016, at 03:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> No, I don't believe so. Several android devices, such as Nexus 6P and even my 
> Nexus six, support this standard. Maybe it's not a standard. Maybe it's a 
> protocol. All I know is, it is supposed to make Bluetooth audio better. I 
> need to find out how it's spelled that would really help. There have been 
> various reviews of Bluetooth devices decrying the fact that apples I devices 
> don't support this, whereas lots of android ones do.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Is this part of the bluetooth 4.2 spec?  i know the new apple products are 
>> speaking bluetooth 4.2.
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I misunderstood the post about the headphone jack and where it was 
>>> regarding this Griffin device. What I want to know, and maybe will find out 
>>> after they do a teardown, is whether the new iPhone is going to support 
>>> that standard that sounds like avtex, it's for Bluetooth. Lots of android 
>>> devices have it, but Apple doesn't. It makes Bluetooth audio better.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
 has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
 Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
 could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
 If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
 work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
 position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
 hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
 periods, time between charges may not be that long.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>> believe.
>> 
>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
>> 
>> 
>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>> least someone is trying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with 
>>> both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>>> 
>>> Take care 
>>> 
>>> 
 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen >>> >:
 
 I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
 huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
 hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
 did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
 in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
 justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
 don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
 benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
 lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
 That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
 because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
 blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the 
 alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was 
 naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and 
 respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing 
 impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what i

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

Yes, aptx.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Is it aptx or what its called.
> /A
>> On 5 Sep 2016, at 03:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> No, I don't believe so. Several android devices, such as Nexus 6P and even 
>> my Nexus six, support this standard. Maybe it's not a standard. Maybe it's a 
>> protocol. All I know is, it is supposed to make Bluetooth audio better. I 
>> need to find out how it's spelled that would really help. There have been 
>> various reviews of Bluetooth devices decrying the fact that apples I devices 
>> don't support this, whereas lots of android ones do.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this part of the bluetooth 4.2 spec?  i know the new apple products are 
>>> speaking bluetooth 4.2.
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I think I misunderstood the post about the headphone jack and where it was 
 regarding this Griffin device. What I want to know, and maybe will find 
 out after they do a teardown, is whether the new iPhone is going to 
 support that standard that sounds like avtex, it's for Bluetooth. Lots of 
 android devices have it, but Apple doesn't. It makes Bluetooth audio 
 better.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT 
> devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
> periods, time between charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
>> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>>> believe.
>>> 
>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
>>> 
>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>>> least someone is trying.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese 
 who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter 
 with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
 
 Take care 
 
 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most 
> people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that 
> the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that 
> the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the 
> alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was 
> naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and 
> respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing 
> impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what 
> impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the 

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

You can certainly use an Index Embosser with Duxbury.

I use Duxbury on a daily basis with Windows so would like to know how people 
find using it on the Mac.

Many thanks.

Kawal.
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 21:25, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on 
> the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS 
> X anyway.
> 
>   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
> translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, 
> what embossers will work? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i am sure there are.
And it makes me very tired to see people feel offended because of something 
that hasn’t happend yet.
I have also a hearing impairment, though a very small one and i can’t see any 
problems with the removal of the 3.5 mm jack.
If i can plug headphones directly into the lightning jack this would make the 
audio so clean so i can use a lower volume to listen as i don’t have to listen 
to a lot of muffled noice.
/A
> On 5 Sep 2016, at 03:46, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anders, of course you could or you could beam the charge right through the 
> air through inductance or use a charging matt.  There are several wireless 
> charging standards as well as the watch type magnetic connector.
> 
> Of course this is a solvable problem.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, isn’t there a way of charging the phone with some magnetic charger?
>> Like you charge the Apple Watch.
>> If thats the problem.
>> I can’t see any other problems so please let me know whats so bad about no 
>> headphone jack so i can understand.
>> /A
>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 10:28, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. 
>>> I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
>>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
>>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
>>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
>>> people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
>>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about 
>>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it 
>>> may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people 
>>> might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of 
>>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that 
>>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we 
>>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't 
>>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and 
>>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems 
>>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being 
>>> thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
>>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
>>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
>>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
>>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
>>> something.
>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
>>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
>>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
>>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility 
>>> market.
>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its 
>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its 
>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the 
>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones 
>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having 
>>> an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. 
>>> Absolutely absurd.
>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking 
>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has 
>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable 
>>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going 
>>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is 
>>> certainly going to be a backlash.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor >>> 

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i am intrested too.
I just bought the greatest and latest from Bose called Quietcomfort 35 with 
noise cancelation.
They are one of the best headphones i’ve used but sadly there is a small lag 
with the Iphone SE.
Now i can not nor would i buy the Iphone 7 right now.
/A
> On 5 Sep 2016, at 04:49, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it 
> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
> recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
> no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  
>> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost 
 non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if 
 it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is 
 pretty snappy.
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT 
> devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
> periods, time between charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
>> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>>> believe.
>>> 
>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>>> least someone is trying.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg >>> > wrote:
 
 A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese 
 who had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter 
 with both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
 
 Take care 
 
 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen  >:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most 
> people don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that 
> the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that 
> the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
> because one thing that this process has taught me since

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

Kawal,
   Thanks, good to know that. I looked at the specs for the Basic D v4 
and 5. The v5 looks great but it does not take wide paper?! The v4 does 
but it does not offer Bluetooth or wifi. I suppose I could live with 
narrow paper though,


   Have you looked at the beta?

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On 9/6/2016 2:14 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

You can certainly use an Index Embosser with Duxbury.

I use Duxbury on a daily basis with Windows so would like to know how
people find using it on the Mac.

Many thanks.

Kawal.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 21:25, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working
well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly
working under OS X anyway.

  So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does
its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not
doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.

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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I was thinking about looking at it comparing it with windows but I need a 
little time to do that on my next few days off.  In the mean time if someone 
does look at it, a good comparison between the two would be great.  I notified 
the Access Technology guys in the organisation about it so one never knows, 
someone may test it.

If I get to look at it as I will at some point, I’ll report back.

I hear the V4 Embossers don’t need drivers, you just plug the thing in to your 
Mac and away you go embossing.

Tomorrow at work if I get the chance I’ll look at the Duxbury website and if 
it’s easy to get the software I’ll download it at home some time and have a 
play.

If you get it first Mr ET, feel free to report back even if you are sitting 
alone on the universe.

Kawal.
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:17, E.T.  wrote:
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> Kawal,
>   Thanks, good to know that. I looked at the specs for the Basic D v4 and 5. 
> The v5 looks great but it does not take wide paper?! The v4 does but it does 
> not offer Bluetooth or wifi. I suppose I could live with narrow paper though,
> 
>   Have you looked at the beta?
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> On 9/6/2016 2:14 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> You can certainly use an Index Embosser with Duxbury.
>> 
>> I use Duxbury on a daily basis with Windows so would like to know how
>> people find using it on the Mac.
>> 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 21:25, E.T. >> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working
>>> well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly
>>> working under OS X anyway.
>>> 
>>>  So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does
>>> its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not
>>> doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the Index.
/A
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
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>   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on 
> the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS 
> X anyway.
> 
>   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
> translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, 
> what embossers will work? Thanks.
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

Anders,
   Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document 
files work well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good 
job of translating, it will be worth a good look.


   I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests 
me though it does not support wide paper.


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On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the Index.
/A

On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:

  If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on 
the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS X 
anyway.

  So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, what 
embossers will work? Thanks.

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lables compatible in pages?

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi guys when I was using windows exclusively and had a bit of sight, I had
bought blank shipping lables from a store called staples here in Toronto. I
use to use zoomtext and the screen was magnified and I use to fill out the
lables and print.
That box had 200 sheets of lables. Now I'm in a situation where I want to
use these lables to lable jars of homemade jam. Can I use these lables on
the mac? If yes are they accessible to fill out in pages with voiceover?
Again if yes where do I go to find the lable number in pages?
So in word you would go to the mailings tab and choose lable and from there
you would choose the number on the box avery 5163 and then a page would pop
up with the grid I would fill out the lables and print.
Any help please?
Regards
Zoe


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Re: lables compatible in pages?

[Phil Halton]

Printing sheets of labels is accomplished in the contacts program although it 
is fairly convoluted and I can't tell you the steps this point i'm not sure 
about pages and labels though it may be possible to do so.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 6, 2016, at 6:38 PM, zoe fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys when I was using windows exclusively and had a bit of sight, I had
> bought blank shipping lables from a store called staples here in Toronto. I
> use to use zoomtext and the screen was magnified and I use to fill out the
> lables and print.
> That box had 200 sheets of lables. Now I'm in a situation where I want to
> use these lables to lable jars of homemade jam. Can I use these lables on
> the mac? If yes are they accessible to fill out in pages with voiceover?
> Again if yes where do I go to find the lable number in pages?
> So in word you would go to the mailings tab and choose lable and from there
> you would choose the number on the box avery 5163 and then a page would pop
> up with the grid I would fill out the lables and print.
> Any help please?
> Regards
> Zoe
> 
> 
> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
> hope is that it won't be too late..  
> 
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RE: new i watch

[Simon Fogarty]

Glad to hear it.

Enjoy the new toy.

Regards,


Simon F

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Subject: Re: new i watch


thanks very much. this did the trick.

On 9/6/2016 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi,



To set up your watch,



Firstly find the watch app on your iPhone

 Secondly you will if you’re a voiceover user need to start up voiceover



To start up voiceover on the watch you will need to press the digital crown 
(that windy thing) in 3 times.



One two three,

 If the watch is not powered on then press the small flatter button beside the 
digital crown and hold it in for approx. 2 seconds.



Then do the triple  press of the digitl crown to enable voiceover,



Then in the watch app follow the prompts on the screan and of course what is 
coming up on the watch face.



The watch app on the phone and the watch give you all the instructions and 
carry out the difficult work.



Hope that helps you somewhat.



Cheers,





Simon f



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Subject: new i watch



i have a new i watch and need information on how to set it up without sight. 
thanks

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RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Simon Fogarty]

So Scott,

Has this taken over as the top of the Plantronics BT Headsets?

I’m thinking of mone that will allow me to do both UC and standard BT 
communications.

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seven

Mary, for some reason the 5220 is over $50 cheaper than amazon in Best Buy 
stores.  Haven’t checked their web but in the store it self they were at a 
deeper discount than you can get them online.  Also make sure you are looking 
at the right one.  There’s a UC model for communications systems that I think 
includes a dongle.  You just want the base model.  (non UC)

Not sure if that helps.

On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well nuts. I just saw one Amazon wants for that headset, and it is expensive! 
By the way, the protocol or whenever you want to call it that I have been 
talking about isaptx.  It's an alternative compression method. I just found an 
article that's two years old, which is why am not bothering to link it. I'm 
sure there must be more advanced more current articles that will tell more 
about it and whether it's worth anything. But back to that 5220 headset. I 
sought on Amazon for a whopping $180. I don't think so. I would love to have 
something with the characteristics you described. But the price needs to come 
down a bit.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Nope, still have the legend.  I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could 
open a phone store with.:)  It seems snappier than the Legend.

Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover are 
much faster.


On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 
3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So 
depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency 
issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of 
sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you 
have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges 
may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal 
of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what 
has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental 
that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of peop

RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah but that 2 makes a hell of a mess of a rabbit,

Before I lost my sight I saw a rabbit hit by a round from one of those,

It couldn’t be found after it died,  it disappeared in a bloody vaper, except 
the head which went flying.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 2:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

I have several 308’s  (these would be 7.62 MM for our NATO friends).  it’s an 
awful big round for a bunny rabbit.  I think for a bunny either a 5 MM rim 
fired varmint round would be good or an air rifle.  I have a .177 air rifle 
that is a rabbit / squirrel hunting machine.  I bought my father one to protect 
his garden since he lives close to neighbors and a fire arm outside wouldn’t be 
appropriate that close to the houses.  The bob cat behind his property has been 
filling up on fresh squirrel though from the garden protection effort.
A 308 is much better suited for hunting things like deer, bear and 
Insurgent Taliban.


On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted 
forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  Was 
going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 
3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So 
depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency 
issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of 
sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you 
have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges 
may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!



On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care




1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to ho