Oh I get it. No idea then. I know it would be inconvenient but in a pinch, you can either use the context menu or edit on the menu bar.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/6/2016 11:22 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close
and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it something
tha t I can not recognize?

and I have another question:"
I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my
external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is
there a way to achieve this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so you can get
under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard.

Good luck.

On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come in
handy. Thanks for the reminder.

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On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys but with
the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one alone.

If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some of that
compressed air in a can.  It really does work well for cleaning junk out
of keyboards.

On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

 Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not sure of
the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance.

 The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which window
you want to bring to the front.

 Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful.

 Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1.

 Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2.

 There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I want to
handle multiple Finder windows.

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On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
Hello,
the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 commands
miss behave or not.
Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac mini.
THanks for the VOf2 f2.
but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the finder, I
can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old
window, why is this?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
  Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in Mac
keyboard?

  For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the focus
back on Finder.

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On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
Hello all:

sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform command C,
command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a restart, to
fix this.
also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock they go
back to finder to find my files etc.
is there a fix for these 2 issues?
Thanks


On 9/6/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto loader or
Sig
Saur
fan myself.  Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in my
opinion
and
has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now and has
some
fantastic AR models.

Henry Repeating is another good one.

On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
<soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with
a
3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue
on
the
iPhone seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to
adopt a
new
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently
purchased
the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the
other
hand,
it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you
put
it
in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like the
energizer
bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested
in
the
review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net
<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the
collection
today.
Was going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net
<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is
almost
non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not
sure
if
it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but the
combination
is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin
device
has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone
using
Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone
7, we
could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and
BT
devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a
work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself
in
the
position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack
charged,
which
hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for
long
periods, time between charges may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a
headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn
any
3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it for
19.99 I
believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
<https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter>

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but,
at
least someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for
the
blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!!!!!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg
<terjestrmb...@gmail.com
<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe
japaneese
who
had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter
with
both
lightning port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal
has a
huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have
to
hope
the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they
did
this
and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in
New
Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are
justifiably
livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't
want
this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to
most
people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a
headphone
jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected
me,
because one thing that this process has taught me since I started
blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the
alarm
at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive
to
think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and
respectful
of
the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired.
I
guess
I would like to think that since we know what impact
inaccessibility
can
have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of
others,
even
when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a
stupid
pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really
upsetting.
For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves
these
days,
and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a
hearing
aid
wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack
almost
all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable
for
someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if
this
were
to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound
way
and
it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use
without
the
need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I
can't
then
charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless,
selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This
company,
which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge
of
honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its
accessibility market.
Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is.
And
they're going too far this time, alienating too many people.
Perhaps,
in
time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive
carefully
managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on
its
iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer
on
its
own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the
Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of
headphones
you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't
mind
having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your
phone
with. Absolutely absurd.
I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads
mocking
Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple
has
given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were
more
viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires,
I'm
really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense
by
then
because there is certainly going to be a backlash.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>


On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:

Hello Mary,

My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market,
plays an
active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives
that
companies pay attention.

Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically
ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users'
accounts,
I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it
better
will
make it so.

I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought
it
would
change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my
world
hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.

As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick
to
follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives
of
Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not
when
it
follows."

My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.
Fortunately
for
me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the
latest
device
just because it is the latest.

Mark

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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue
on
the
iPhone seven

Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about
the
disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the
storage
card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery.
Also,
if
the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible
earbuds
with
the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for
people to
use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these
days, I
suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones
forever. Other device makers are already moving in this direction.
So
it
isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to
market
without a headphone jack on the phone.


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:

Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market
accepts
the
new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.

When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing
the
removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary
memory
to
its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market,
effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who
kept
those features.

A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability
for
iOS
devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC
users
upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went
crazy
and
vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to
use
iTunes in order to manage photos.

Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this
feature
in the subsequent release of iTunes.

So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit,
something
tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).

Mark

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Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue
on
the
iPhone seven

When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack
first
appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an
adapter so
potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones
with
the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the
least.
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