RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

I have one hell of a lag with my plantronix edge and ios 10 on my S+
The device pairs quickly enough but the audio through takes a hell of a long 
time if comes through at all.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 1:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 
3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So 
depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency 
issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of 
sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you 
have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges 
may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal 
of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what 
has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental 
that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one 
thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have 
made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any 
more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as 
the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what 
impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has 
proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these 
days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, 
i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I 
use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves 
through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth 
drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get 
through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which parades 
their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, appears to be 
about to crap all over 

RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Simon Fogarty]

That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008,
The little bugger just exploes



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted 
forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  Was 
going to post a review if there was any interest.

On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 
3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So 
depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency 
issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of 
sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you 
have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges 
may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal 
of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what 
has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental 
that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one 
thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have 
made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any 
more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as 
the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what 
impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has 
proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these 
days, and if others are being thrown under the bu

RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary, I’m running the public beta now  and use my voyager edge and I find 
there is a fear bit of lagging between connection and audio working

But I’m hoping there will be an update for the edge soon as well as the release 
for the IOS release

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 3:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has a 
3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 4.1. So 
depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the latency 
issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around of 
sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where you 
have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between charges 
may not be that long.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.

https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter

This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
someone is trying.




Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
port and 3.5mm jack.

Take care



1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal 
of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what 
has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental 
that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one 
thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have 
made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any 
more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as 
the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what 
impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has 
proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these 
days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, 
i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I 
use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves 
through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth 
drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get 
through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
charge my phone while I u

Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I don’t really want Match, but I have considered using it because I have so 
much music that was ripped from CD at lower quality and it would be nice to 
replace it all without having to go through all the CDs again.  One thing I 
wonder though, Is there some DRM component in the downloaded copies that would 
force me to keep Match from then on?

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Cliff.  As I think about it, that may have been how I did it before, 
> it's just been a while.  thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and download 
>> it again from iTunes match.
>> 
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>> efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? 
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>> And ask your question there.  All are welcome!
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them 
>>> with the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting 
>>> with the place where it said download/local, but that doesn't seem to be an 
>>> option in the current version of iTunes.  Anyone know how to do this in the 
>>> current version?
>>> TIA,
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Ha!
a Springfield lover! :)
very dependable tool I must say!.
Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though!
A bit of a sporting chance Aah ?
Talk soon
Chuck

On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little bugger with a 3008,
> The little bugger just exploes
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
>  
> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
> headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
> legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it 
> lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
> recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
> no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  
> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
>  
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
> phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
> snappy.
>  
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>  
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
> charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 3.5MM 
> headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I believe.
> 
> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
> 
> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
> someone is trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who had a 
> dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both lightning 
> port and 3.5mm jack. 
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
> 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. Bu

Re: system dialogue that won't go away

[Jonathan Cohn]

Stacy,

Sorry about the delay in getting back with you. Try accessibil...@dropbox.com 
and also, to get a screen shot turn on keyboard commanders and use 
right=control-X which should be associated with mail screen shot.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Sep 1, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> What is the address for their support team?
> Yes it’s a dropbox dialogue it says so when I look at the window chooser menu.
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Stacey,
>>  I took a few moments to look in Dropbox preferences and did not see 
>> anything related to feedback. Are you absolutely certain its Dropbox? I have 
>> been using this app a long time and have never seen such a dialogue. Press 
>> the button and send them feedback about it. Or better still, contact their 
>> support team.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> I don't know what to look for.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: E.T.  
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:26 am
>>> Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away
>>> 
 
 
 Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
 disable it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a 
>> new app just prior to seeing this?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
>>> I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
>>> feedback.
>>> How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>> 
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

[Stacey Robinson]

Jonathan,
I don’t understand how to turn on the screen shot thing.
Could you explain that again?
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Stacy,
> 
> Sorry about the delay in getting back with you. Try accessibil...@dropbox.com 
> and also, to get a screen shot turn on keyboard commanders and use 
> right=control-X which should be associated with mail screen shot.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the address for their support team?
>> Yes it’s a dropbox dialogue it says so when I look at the window chooser 
>> menu.
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stacey,
>>> I took a few moments to look in Dropbox preferences and did not see 
>>> anything related to feedback. Are you absolutely certain its Dropbox? I 
>>> have been using this app a long time and have never seen such a dialogue. 
>>> Press the button and send them feedback about it. Or better still, contact 
>>> their support team.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 I don't know what to look for.
 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:26 am
 Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away
 
> 
> 
> Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
> disable it.
> 
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> On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a 
>>> new app just prior to seeing this?
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Hello,
 I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
 I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
 feedback.
 How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
 Peace, 
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Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As far as I'm aware, no.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 5, 2016, at 07:33, Larry Thacker Jr.  wrote:

I don’t really want Match, but I have considered using it because I have so 
much music that was ripped from CD at lower quality and it would be nice to 
replace it all without having to go through all the CDs again.  One thing I 
wonder though, Is there some DRM component in the downloaded copies that would 
force me to keep Match from then on?

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Cliff.  As I think about it, that may have been how I did it before, 
> it's just been a while.  thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and download 
>> it again from iTunes match.
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them 
>>> with the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting 
>>> with the place where it said download/local, but that doesn't seem to be an 
>>> option in the current version of iTunes.  Anyone know how to do this in the 
>>> current version?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Two real real quick questions about braille

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys, I'm not sure really where to ask this question, so hopefully someone real 
quick can answer this for me, as I'm a little stuck, and surely we have better 
braille readers on here than myself.

When writing contracted grade 2, not U E B, mind you, I'm speaking just of 
grade 2 in general, I have a situation where I'm trying to write an individual 
letter that I don't want to be confused as a contraction.  I know about dot 5 
6, for my letter sign, then the letter, but the letter needs to be capitalized. 
 So... do I put the dot 6 capital sign, then? the letter sign, or other way 
around, letter sign, then! cap sign?  What order is proper, or does it really 
matter?

My final second question is, I want to write the word "CPanel."  Cap C, all 
rest lower case: p A n e l.  I don't want the C being translated as the word 
"can." Being it's cap and all else lowercase, my braille notetaker seems to be 
doing it as "CanPanel.  Whoops?  I don't want a space between the C and the 
panel though.  So, do I just do a letter sign before the C, then as the same 
word, panel?

Sorry, I know this really is outta the scope of this list, but at this point, 
I'm desperet.  I asked on Twitter, and on Facebook, but no one seems to be 
responding, and it's now been about 3 days since I asked, so, forgive me.

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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[Blee Blat]

First question is that the letter sign goes before the capital sign. For the 
second one I believe you'd just put dot 6 before the c and another dot 6 before 
the p because you've only got 2 letters that need capitalized but I can check 
the rule book to be sure once I remember where I put it. 

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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[E.T.]

   Cap sign letter sign. For problematic translations, set to grade 1 
for the word then back to grade 2.


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On 9/5/2016 1:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, I'm not sure really where to ask this question, so hopefully
someone real quick can answer this for me, as I'm a little stuck, and
surely we have better braille readers on here than myself.

When writing contracted grade 2, not U E B, mind you, I'm speaking just
of grade 2 in general, I have a situation where I'm trying to write an
individual letter that I don't want to be confused as a contraction.  I
know about dot 5 6, for my letter sign, then the letter, but the letter
needs to be capitalized.  So... do I put the dot 6 capital sign, then?
the letter sign, or other way around, letter sign, then! cap sign?  What
order is proper, or does it really matter?

My final second question is, I want to write the word "CPanel."  Cap C,
all rest lower case: p A n e l.  I don't want the C being translated as
the word "can." Being it's cap and all else lowercase, my braille
notetaker seems to be doing it as "CanPanel.  Whoops?  I don't want a
space between the C and the panel though.  So, do I just do a letter
sign before the C, then as the same word, panel?

Sorry, I know this really is outta the scope of this list, but at this
point, I'm desperet.  I asked on Twitter, and on Facebook, but no one
seems to be responding, and it's now been about 3 days since I asked,
so, forgive me.

Chris.

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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Chris.

I assume you are writing Grade 2 American Braille and not UEB?

Well although I’m not an American Braille user but am of UEB, but know how 
American Braille works for your situation, I will confirm the following to you.
You had the answers right but you do indeed put Letter Sign first and then dot 
six for the initial cap.

But for the other thing where you want part of the word translated, please do 
the following:

Letter sign, dot 6 C then the word panel in lower case. 

> On 5 Sep 2016, at 21:58, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys, I'm not sure really where to ask this question, so hopefully someone 
> real quick can answer this for me, as I'm a little stuck, and surely we have 
> better braille readers on here than myself.
>  
> When writing contracted grade 2, not U E B, mind you, I'm speaking just of 
> grade 2 in general, I have a situation where I'm trying to write an 
> individual letter that I don't want to be confused as a contraction.  I know 
> about dot 5 6, for my letter sign, then the letter, but the letter needs to 
> be capitalized.  So... do I put the dot 6 capital sign, then? the letter 
> sign, or other way around, letter sign, then! cap sign?  What order is 
> proper, or does it really matter?
>  
> My final second question is, I want to write the word "CPanel."  Cap C, all 
> rest lower case: p A n e l.  I don't want the C being translated as the word 
> "can." Being it's cap and all else lowercase, my braille notetaker seems to 
> be doing it as "CanPanel.  Whoops?  I don't want a space between the C and 
> the panel though.  So, do I just do a letter sign before the C, then as the 
> same word, panel?
>  
> Sorry, I know this really is outta the scope of this list, but at this point, 
> I'm desperet.  I asked on Twitter, and on Facebook, but no one seems to be 
> responding, and it's now been about 3 days since I asked, so, forgive me.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[E.T.]

   On reading this a few more times, its simple. Treat the word 
"Cpanel" as you would any word that is capitalized.


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On 9/5/2016 1:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, I'm not sure really where to ask this question, so hopefully
someone real quick can answer this for me, as I'm a little stuck, and
surely we have better braille readers on here than myself.

When writing contracted grade 2, not U E B, mind you, I'm speaking just
of grade 2 in general, I have a situation where I'm trying to write an
individual letter that I don't want to be confused as a contraction.  I
know about dot 5 6, for my letter sign, then the letter, but the letter
needs to be capitalized.  So... do I put the dot 6 capital sign, then?
the letter sign, or other way around, letter sign, then! cap sign?  What
order is proper, or does it really matter?

My final second question is, I want to write the word "CPanel."  Cap C,
all rest lower case: p A n e l.  I don't want the C being translated as
the word "can." Being it's cap and all else lowercase, my braille
notetaker seems to be doing it as "CanPanel.  Whoops?  I don't want a
space between the C and the panel though.  So, do I just do a letter
sign before the C, then as the same word, panel?

Sorry, I know this really is outta the scope of this list, but at this
point, I'm desperet.  I asked on Twitter, and on Facebook, but no one
seems to be responding, and it's now been about 3 days since I asked,
so, forgive me.

Chris.

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Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[David Griffith]

There is no DRM involved with iTunes  Match but there is a signature 
where basically your Apple ID is inserted into the Extended Tag 
properties of each file file you download using Match.


This extended tag willl have a lable of ITUNESACCOUNT followed by your 
Apple ID without any spaces. This means that any Match  Music you share 
with others could theoretically be sourced back to you as the originator 
and presumably there is a risk you may face consequences if this music 
is shared. Amazon do something similar but do not bother using extended 
tag properties but just the normal comments sections of tagged music 
files the last time I looked.



I do not know of any way of displaying the Extended Tag properties of a 
m4a file using a Mac, though normal tag properties are easily visible.  
However if you use the free Mp3Tag  utility under windows in boot camp 
or Fusion and invoke the extended tag view you will easily be able to 
find what I am talking about.




David Griffith


On 05/09/2016 14:33, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

I don’t really want Match, but I have considered using it because I 
have so much music that was ripped from CD at lower quality and it 
would be nice to replace it all without having to go through all the 
CDs again.  One thing I wonder though, Is there some DRM component in 
the downloaded copies that would force me to keep Match from then on?


On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Thanks, Cliff.  As I think about it, that may have been how I did it 
before, it's just been a while.  thanks for the help.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:


The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and 
download it again from iTunes match.


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On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Hi all,

I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace 
them with the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by 
interacting with the place where it said download/local, but that 
doesn't seem to be an option in the current version of iTunes. 
 Anyone know how to do this in the current version?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[David Chittenden]

In North American (Braille Authority of North America, BANA) braille, otherwise 
known as Nemeth grade II braille, it is letter sign, followed by dot 6, 
followed by the letter.

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> On 6 Sep 2016, at 06:58, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
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> Guys, I'm not sure really where to ask this  question, so hopefully someone 
> real quick can answer this for me, as I'm a little stuck, and surely we have 
> better braille readers on here than myself.
>  
> When writing contracted grade 2, not U E B, mind you, I'm speaking just of 
> grade 2 in general, I have a situation where I'm trying to write an 
> individual letter that I don't want to be confused as a contraction.  I know 
> about dot 5 6, for my letter sign, then the letter, but the letter needs to 
> be capitalized.  So... do I put the dot 6 capital sign, then? the letter 
> sign, or other way around, letter sign, then! cap sign?  What order is 
> proper, or does it really matter?
>  
> My final second question is, I want to write the word "CPanel."  Cap C, all 
> rest lower case: p A n e l.  I don't want the C being translated as the word 
> "can." Being it's cap and all else lowercase, my braille notetaker seems to 
> be doing it as "CanPanel.  Whoops?  I don't want a space between the C and 
> the panel though.  So, do I just do a letter sign before the C, then as the 
> same word, panel?
>  
> Sorry, I know this really is outta the scope of this list, but at this point, 
> I'm desperet.  I asked on Twitter, and on Facebook, but no one seems to be 
> responding, and it's now been about 3 days since I asked, so, forgive me.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Two real real quick questions about braille

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you all for your answers.  Looks like a few people have written.

I see no reason for anyone else to respond at this point.  The answers I've 
gotten thus far are sufficient.  Thank you for you all's help.

Now, back to the mac!  No pun intended.  LOL!

Chris.

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Apple mail issue

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I am using apple mail on my mac. And have the latest operating system. I have 
three separate  e-mail accounts. None of them are appearing in the list of 
e-mail boxes. I don’t know why they disappeared. this just happened today. I 
can still read the e-mail by going to the main inbox, but my separate e-mail 
boxes have disappeared. Can anyone provide assistance.
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Re: Apple mail issue

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello,

Have you by mistake collapsed your inbox?  Place Vo on Inbox and press right 
arrow key which hopefully will reveal your individual accounts.  I've had a 
similar experience and it took me some time to realise what had happened.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 03:22, denise avant  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> I am using apple mail on my mac. And have the latest operating system. I have 
> three separate  e-mail accounts. None of them are appearing in the list of 
> e-mail boxes. I don’t know why they disappeared. this just happened today. I 
> can still read the e-mail by going to the main inbox, but my separate e-mail 
> boxes have disappeared. Can anyone provide assistance.
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: Apple mail issue

[denise avant]

Thank you so much. that was the problem.

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 9:39 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Have you by mistake collapsed your inbox?  Place Vo on Inbox and press right 
> arrow key which hopefully will reveal your individual accounts.  I've had a 
> similar experience and it took me some time to realise what had happened.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 03:22, denise avant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am using apple mail on my mac. And have the latest operating system. I 
>> have three separate  e-mail accounts. None of them are appearing in the list 
>> of e-mail boxes. I don’t know why they disappeared. this just happened 
>> today. I can still read the e-mail by going to the main inbox, but my 
>> separate e-mail boxes have disappeared. Can anyone provide assistance.
>> Thank you.
>> 
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